buffalo2218 Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 3 minutes ago, Sig1Hunter said: Move it to week 18, but make it a Bills home game to “punish” the dummy Titans Hell by then, who are the Titans gonna dress? Those boys spent the last 2 weeks passing around the virus, before week 18 gets here, the CDC will end up quarantining the whole team 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Joshin' Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 25 minutes ago, jeremy2020 said: Back in June I drove up from Austin back to Buffalo. Arkansas and Ohio were rough, boring drives. I have done the central Texas to WNY many times. Pine trees and Arkansas and flat fields in Ohio. Both boring in their own ways. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 send the entire team in isolation including any infected staff and hire replacements.. i know i know i watch to many movies.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 30 minutes ago, jeremy2020 said: The Saturday thing has already been debunked. The NFL can not legally play games on a Saturday, I think it's more a gentlemen's agreement than a law. 3 minutes ago, Success said: I have not. Is having foresight and doing some contingency planning a difficult thing, when a few billion $ are on the line? Can be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 4 minutes ago, SCBills said: Not sure I agree. I do think the NFL should have been more proactive in schedule building, but I don't think they necessarily can be faulted for one team basically going rogue and becoming an absolute dumpster fire. Take the Titans out of the equation, and I think the protocols have gone pretty well so far. No games missed and the Falcons, Vikings, Chiefs and Pats are displaying hope that this can be mitigated. The NFL was hamstrung by the NFLPA. They had to agree to any changes and the NFLPA refused the bubble concept and refused adding weeks without adding pay. It appears they did make an agreement that the NFL would have some flexibility if needed to push back the playoffs if needed for emergency use, but without adding a paycheck for additional weeks of service - they did not want it scheduled that way. There were several NFL proposals on schedule adjustments and basically in the end the decision that they could agree to was keep the schedule as is and have an emergency use if needed. Part of it is greed by both sides - as every change required negotiations- but they had already seen that the baseball protocols worked when followed and I believe they were confident that the protocols in the NFL would work when followed. So far I agree - that seems to be the case (minus the Titans - who screwed everything up and are still screwing up). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 3 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: I think it's more a gentlemen's agreement than a law. The sports broadcasting act of 1961. It's been mentioned several times in this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Caveman Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 I'm seeing some say players will get paid, and some saying they won't get paid if the game is a forfeit. I have an easy solution if they're not supposed to be paid - fine the Titans each an extra game check and distribute it to the Bills players. I know this isn't going to happen, but it should. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiltonWaddams Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 5 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said: send the entire team in isolation including any infected staff and hire replacements.. i know i know i watch to many movies.... The Hamilton Tiger Cats aren’t busy.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 (edited) Pure speculation, but it feels the NFL is going to hold out hope that the Titans have no positives after today and can play Sunday. I don't think they, or the NFLPA, care too much about whether the Titans can have their practice time after what they're putting the league through. If they have more positives, I think the NFL pushes Bills/Chiefs to Sunday and (maybe) takes a Sunday game to move up to TNF. That gives them wiggle room to have Bills/Titans on Monday or Tuesday. It doesn't seem like forfeiting is on the table at the moment. Edited October 8, 2020 by SCBills 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 Just spit balling here. I don’t love the week 18, before the playoff, make up games either. Could or would the league start cancelling out of conference games to make up conference games. So in this situation on 11/8 we play Seattle and Tennessee plays the Bears. Drop the NFC opponents and sub in the conference games. Makes playoff seeding easy without having to worry about total games played. If there is dire need for seedlings to play BUF vs. SEA they can play week 18. Or if both teams agree, they take the bye and go to the playoffs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 1 minute ago, SCBills said: Pure speculation, but it feels the NFL is going to hold out hope that the Titans have no positives after today and can play Sunday. I don't think they, or the NFLPA, care too much about whether the Titans can have their practice time after what they're putting the league through. If they have more positives, I think the NFL pushes Bills/Chiefs to Sunday and takes a Sunday game to move up to TNF. That gives them wiggle room to have Bills/Titans on Monday or Tuesday. It doesn't seem like forfeiting is on the table at the moment. wait a minute first they said it be unlikely if they had positives yesterdag.. then today.. now tomorrow? no this game gooses are cooked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiltonWaddams Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, SCBills said: Pure speculation, but it feels the NFL is going to hold out hope that the Titans have no positives after today and can play Sunday. I don't think they, or the NFLPA, care too much about whether the Titans can have their practice time after what they're putting the league through. If they have more positives, I think the NFL pushes Bills/Chiefs to Sunday and (maybe) takes a Sunday game to move up to TNF. That gives them wiggle room to have Bills/Titans on Monday or Tuesday. It doesn't seem like forfeiting is on the table at the moment. Are you the fly from the debate who has now moved to Goodell’s house?!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bferra13 Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, SCBills said: Pure speculation, but it feels the NFL is going to hold out hope that the Titans have no positives after today and can play Sunday. I don't think they, or the NFLPA, care too much about whether the Titans can have their practice time after what they're putting the league through. If they have more positives, I think the NFL pushes Bills/Chiefs to Sunday and takes a Sunday game to move up to TNF. That gives them wiggle room to have Bills/Titans on Monday or Tuesday. It doesn't seem like forfeiting is on the table at the moment. They can't move it to Sunday though because that screws the network out of a prime time game. Or at least thats the impression I get. All about the $$$$. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 (edited) 11 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said: send the entire team in isolation including any infected staff and hire replacements.. i know i know i watch to many movies.... I actually said that same thing yesterday but my thread got locked. As crazy as it sounds, the entire league played with replacement players in 1987 for several weeks. An entire NFL filled with guys off the streets for over a month. You never hear about that year's Super Bowl "not counting." Why is it so nuts to do it for a team here and there for a week, in the middle of an unprecedented "global situation" (some of us have to avoid that word). Also, Pat Kirwin on Sirius NFL radio was recently talking about a league-wide practice squad with some ex NFL coaches working them out in practice and keeping them ready to play. Any team could grab as many players as possible from this squad to keep the games going. My version was only a step further, with an entire team. I guess the mods locked my thread because I mentioned what I guess we have to call the non-specific novel respiratory/multi-symptom illness on this board, except when we don't. But the idea of having a league wide practice squad of replacement players for let's say "non-injury related issues" has been floated by many people who cover the league. Edited October 8, 2020 by TheFunPolice 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalo2218 Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 Just now, SCBills said: Pure speculation, but it feels the NFL is going to hold out hope that the Titans have no positives after today and can play Sunday. I don't think they, or the NFLPA, care too much about whether the Titans can have their practice time after what they're putting the league through. If they have more positives, I think the NFL pushes Bills/Chiefs to Sunday and takes a Sunday game to move up to TNF. That gives them wiggle room to have Bills/Titans on Monday or Tuesday. It doesn't seem like forfeiting is on the table at the moment. Ok so 22 of 53 players tested positive for covid. Then you got that brain dead moron Tannehill, their own starting QB, ignoring both the league and Troy Vincent. So from that, I'm assuming they won't even entertain the notion of letting him play, or any of the others that were there, including AJ Brown. And in the midst of all this, forcing the Bills to play in a possibly contaminated area? I can't see this game happening 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, buffalo2218 said: Ok so 22 of 53 players tested positive for covid. Then you got that brain dead moron Tannehill, their own starting QB, ignoring both the league and Troy Vincent. So from that, I'm assuming they won't even entertain the notion of letting him play, or any of the others that were there, including AJ Brown. And in the midst of all this, forcing the Bills to play in a possibly contaminated area? I can't see this game happening the 22 includes staff. Right now I think they have like 10 or so players on the covid list. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 1 minute ago, PrimeTime101 said: wait a minute first they said it be unlikely if they had positives yesterdag.. then today.. now tomorrow? no this game gooses are cooked If the game was cooked, the league would have issued a statement by now after we got another positive from the Titans today. Clearly they did not make the determination that A = B or we'd have something from the league by now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, buffalo2218 said: Ok so 22 of 53 players tested positive for covid. Then you got that brain dead moron Tannehill, their own starting QB, ignoring both the league and Troy Vincent. So from that, I'm assuming they won't even entertain the notion of letting him play, or any of the others that were there, including AJ Brown. And in the midst of all this, forcing the Bills to play in a possibly contaminated area? I can't see this game happening your right its a stupid notion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 3 minutes ago, Bferra13 said: They can't move it to Sunday though because that screws the network out of a prime time game. Or at least thats the impression I get. All about the $$$$. If they can move games back, i'm sure they can move a game forward. It's obviously not ideal, but I don't see why they couldn't take a Sunday game and move it up to Thursday. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 53 minutes ago, wjag said: So now we have to wait for no positive tests through Saturday before we know when the game will potentially be played. If they test positive today (results Friday), then that means no earlier than Monday. If they test positive on Friday (results on Saturday), then the game shifts to Tuesday. If they test positive on Saturday (results Sunday), then Tuesday is off. This drama is going to hold the league hostage all weekend. Pretty much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 1 minute ago, SCBills said: If the game was cooked, the league would have issued a statement by now after we got another positive from the Titans today. Clearly they did not make the determination that A = B or we'd have something from the league by now. they didnt cancel the titans pits game till mid afternoon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalo2218 Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 1 minute ago, whatdrought said: the 22 includes staff. Right now I think they have like 10 or so players on the covid list. Oh ok, I thought it was players. Funny thing tho, if this game is played out, the most interesting thing to watch will be Norman and Lewan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 If I’m the Bills I refuse to play a team this weekend that had so many test positive over the past week. And while I’d rather get the W on the field I think the Titans should have to forfeit. They are the ones who decided to violate protocols and caused the game to be cancelled (I presume it will be), so they should have to pay the cost. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 5 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said: The NFL was hamstrung by the NFLPA. They had to agree to any changes and the NFLPA refused the bubble concept and refused adding weeks without adding pay. It appears they did make an agreement that the NFL would have some flexibility if needed to push back the playoffs if needed for emergency use, but without adding a paycheck for additional weeks of service - they did not want it scheduled that way. There were several NFL proposals on schedule adjustments and basically in the end the decision that they could agree to was keep the schedule as is and have an emergency use if needed. Part of it is greed by both sides - as every change required negotiations- but they had already seen that the baseball protocols worked when followed and I believe they were confident that the protocols in the NFL would work when followed. So far I agree - that seems to be the case (minus the Titans - who screwed everything up and are still screwing up). I believe part of the scheduling issue was due to Tampa not being willing or able to change SB weekend. At the time, I think people, and Florida especially, thought we would be well back to normal come February and that meant everything else on the calendar would box that weekend in. What the league could do is pause, build in bye weeks. Then treat the SB like a normal playoff game. Top seed gets the home field. Push the existing SB contracts back a year. Or they could just keep beating their head against the wall and keep reshuffling the deck chairs and hope they get everybody to play 16 games and the playoffs go off without getting wonky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 1 minute ago, PrimeTime101 said: they didnt cancel the titans pits game till mid afternoon That was unprecedented though, and they were able to postpone. We now have precedent, and they don't have the luxury of just re-arranging bye weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Last Guy on the Bench Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 The excuses from the players who practiced offsite about whether or not they knew it wasn't permitted are absurd. You don't need a notice from the league or your coach to tell you that if, due to positive COVID tests on the team you can't practice in your highly controlled and sanitized team facility, it's beyond stupid to practice offsite, in a non-controlled space - for your own safety and for the safety of the other people who use that space. It's like they are in high school trying to get away with breaking arbitrary rules by the adults rather than equal participants in a community trying to figure out how best to navigate a very difficult situation together. I'm not in favor of a forfeit for all sorts or reasons. But those players should all be suspended for several games. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 10 minutes ago, jeremy2020 said: The sports broadcasting act of 1961. It's been mentioned several times in this thread. Well one thing we've learned the past few years is rules only matter if someone is willing to enforce them with consequences. The NFL could easily claim extenuating circumstances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 1 minute ago, Mango said: Or they could just keep beating their head against the wall and keep reshuffling the deck chairs and hope they get everybody to play 16 games and the playoffs go off without getting wonky. It's going to be this. They seem to dedicated to the putting off the tougher decisions as long as possible hoping that things even themselves out. Hope tends to be a bad strategy for success though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 12 minutes ago, Success said: True, but the NFL approached this whole thing from a position of maximum profitability - they weren't realistic about the situation and did no contingency planning (at least any that I can see). It shouldn't be a full season. They should have reduced it down to 12 or 14 games, built in extra bye weeks & more time at the end of the season for make-ups. There should be set thresholds for teams that have outbreaks: if x # of players get infected, the game goes on as scheduled, but if it exceeds that #, we postpone/reschedule. There should be more clear rules on the protocols and exactly what the consequences are for teams who break them. This is a multi-billion $ industry. This has been completely mismanaged, imo. Again - you are blaming the NFL for something they alone could not approve. The NFLPA would have to agree to any schedule changes and the NFLPA refused bubbling and refused to give back money for a shorter season. They also rejected adding bye weeks without adding another week of pay. In the end the easiest agreement was keeping things the same. Some of that is greed and some is waiting for guidance from the Federal Level that never came. They did not want agreements in place that then got overwritten by federal guidelines. I think it was very difficult to put exact numbers in place - it was always going to be based upon their infectious disease guideline expert. They planned and expected to have to postpone games around testing. They identified that travel (airplane/bus) were the 2 biggest risk factors to transmission (much higher than game play) and therefore - like the Pats game - it wasn’t Cam’s positive that delayed anything - it was needed Int to do contract tracing and determine who were higher risk exposures. Then determining how to transport them safely without infecting others. The protocols were fairly clear and appear to work - the idea - much like baseball was always based upon the players following it. When they don’t bad things happen. The problem was for breaking protocol- the league was not given permission to penalize the players - it comes from the teams. The NFL can fine teams and coaches, but it is the teams job to punish the players. The agreements make it difficult for the league to do everything they would want. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 Just now, SCBills said: That was unprecedented though, and they were able to postpone. We now have precedent, and they don't have the luxury of just re-arranging bye weeks. suspending games is unpresedented.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 8, 2020 Author Share Posted October 8, 2020 14 minutes ago, Captain Caveman said: I'm seeing some say players will get paid, and some saying they won't get paid if the game is a forfeit. I have an easy solution if they're not supposed to be paid - fine the Titans each an extra game check and distribute it to the Bills players. I know this isn't going to happen, but it should. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 7 minutes ago, whatdrought said: the 22 includes staff. Right now I think they have like 10 or so players on the covid list. I think with the addition of Corey Davis it's up to 11, plus the two confirmed and new test today if either/both are players 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 1 minute ago, Last Guy on the Bench said: You don't need a notice from the league or your coach to tell you that if, due to positive COVID tests on the team you can't practice in your highly controlled and sanitized team facility, it's beyond stupid to practice offsite, in a non-controlled space - for your own safety and for the safety of the other people who use that space. The league sent a memo to the titans. If the titans failed to inform the players...well ignorance of the law is not a defense. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 What if they just say today it’s Tuesday. And then whatever the titans have, they have? Gives them a few days to get their game day roster together? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 3 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said: Again - you are blaming the NFL for something they alone could not approve. The NFLPA would have to agree to any schedule changes and the NFLPA refused bubbling and refused to give back money for a shorter season. They also rejected adding bye weeks without adding another week of pay. Do the players get paid for a bye week? I always thought not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 Just now, YoloinOhio said: It should be the team that caused the cancellation that is the only team to not get paid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLTbills Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 5 minutes ago, Mango said: I believe part of the scheduling issue was due to Tampa not being willing or able to change SB weekend. At the time, I think people, and Florida especially, thought we would be well back to normal come February and that meant everything else on the calendar would box that weekend in. What the league could do is pause, build in bye weeks. Then treat the SB like a normal playoff game. Top seed gets the home field. Push the existing SB contracts back a year. Or they could just keep beating their head against the wall and keep reshuffling the deck chairs and hope they get everybody to play 16 games and the playoffs go off without getting wonky. I'm OK with us winning our first Super Bowl in Orchard Park! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I think with the addition of Corey Davis it's up to 11, plus the two confirmed and new test today if either/both are players I personally would be happy to play the titans with 20% of their roster disqualified. 1 minute ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: What if they just say today it’s Tuesday. And then whatever the titans have, they have? Gives them a few days to get their game day roster together? I think the problem isn’t what the titans have, it’s that the virus is still showing up in new spots. If come Tuesday you’re still getting positives, you can’t assume that the other players are safe to play. Edited October 8, 2020 by whatdrought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 Just now, Special K said: It should be the team that caused the cancellation that is the only team to not get paid. May Bes don't fly in September (or October). We can second-guess the NFL/NFLPA agreements all we like, but they are what they are at this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 Just now, Brianmoorman4jesus said: What if they just say today it’s Tuesday. And then whatever the titans have, they have? Gives them a few days to get their game day roster together? The Bills play on Thursday, the game cannot be moved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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