Ethan in Cleveland Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 Overrated Poyer - solid player and his contract is not too excessive. Limited in coverage but doesn't make a lot of mistakes Morse - he was an upgrade and adequate last year but for the money spent he is overrated. Milano - a fine player but this board thinks he is far better than he actually is Underrated Brown - Diggs is better but not by much. Brown is a very good route runner, has very good hands, has excellent but not elite speed, and decent run after catch ability. It will be very interesting to see how Daboll uses Brown this year. Hughes - Jerry is still a very good pass rusher. He doesn't get any benefit of the doubt from the officials. And he is more than adequate against the run. Murphy (vomit in my mouth) - for the money spent and the lack of jmpact plays he has been a terrible free agent value. That said he eats up a lot of snaps that will keep other guys fresh. He plays to the whistle and sets edge reasonably well even though he is not stout running directly at him. And his last 8 games played may been his best in a Bills uniform. Maybe he has fully recovered from ACL and can be a bit more disruptive pass rushing this year 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreggTX Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 44 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said: Overrated Poyer - solid player and his contract is not too excessive. Limited in coverage but doesn't make a lot of mistakes Morse - he was an upgrade and adequate last year but for the money spent he is overrated. Milano - a fine player but this board thinks he is far better than he actually is Underrated Brown - Diggs is better but not by much. Brown is a very good route runner, has very good hands, has excellent but not elite speed, and decent run after catch ability. It will be very interesting to see how Daboll uses Brown this year. Hughes - Jerry is still a very good pass rusher. He doesn't get any benefit of the doubt from the officials. And he is more than adequate against the run. Murphy (vomit in my mouth) - for the money spent and the lack of jmpact plays he has been a terrible free agent value. That said he eats up a lot of snaps that will keep other guys fresh. He plays to the whistle and sets edge reasonably well even though he is not stout running directly at him. And his last 8 games played may been his best in a Bills uniform. Maybe he has fully recovered from ACL and can be a bit more disruptive pass rushing this year I disagree on Poyer. He's solid and that's how most people see him. I would have to start the overrated list with 1. Edmunds and 2. Allen. I do think Edmunds has the tools to continue improving though. John Brown is solid too, but he's nowhere near Diggs. Other than that, I agree. I'd just add Dawkins and Spain as slightly underrated. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 54 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said: Overrated Poyer - solid player and his contract is not too excessive. Limited in coverage but doesn't make a lot of mistakes Morse - he was an upgrade and adequate last year but for the money spent he is overrated. Milano - a fine player but this board thinks he is far better than he actually is Underrated Brown - Diggs is better but not by much. Brown is a very good route runner, has very good hands, has excellent but not elite speed, and decent run after catch ability. It will be very interesting to see how Daboll uses Brown this year. Hughes - Jerry is still a very good pass rusher. He doesn't get any benefit of the doubt from the officials. And he is more than adequate against the run. Murphy (vomit in my mouth) - for the money spent and the lack of jmpact plays he has been a terrible free agent value. That said he eats up a lot of snaps that will keep other guys fresh. He plays to the whistle and sets edge reasonably well even though he is not stout running directly at him. And his last 8 games played may been his best in a Bills uniform. Maybe he has fully recovered from ACL and can be a bit more disruptive pass rushing this year this seems to be an accurate list. I'd take Hughes off the underrated, however. I think most fans view him as slightly above average, which is where I would put his current level of play. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 1 hour ago, Ethan in Portland said: Overrated Poyer - solid player and his contract is not too excessive. Limited in coverage but doesn't make a lot of mistakes Morse - he was an upgrade and adequate last year but for the money spent he is overrated. Milano - a fine player but this board thinks he is far better than he actually is Underrated Brown - Diggs is better but not by much. Brown is a very good route runner, has very good hands, has excellent but not elite speed, and decent run after catch ability. It will be very interesting to see how Daboll uses Brown this year. Hughes - Jerry is still a very good pass rusher. He doesn't get any benefit of the doubt from the officials. And he is more than adequate against the run. Murphy (vomit in my mouth) - for the money spent and the lack of jmpact plays he has been a terrible free agent value. That said he eats up a lot of snaps that will keep other guys fresh. He plays to the whistle and sets edge reasonably well even though he is not stout running directly at him. And his last 8 games played may been his best in a Bills uniform. Maybe he has fully recovered from ACL and can be a bit more disruptive pass rushing this year Overrated (by Bills fans): Josh Allen. Look he made some improvement last year and the trajectory seems to be pointing up. But he has a LONG way to go. The amount of excuses that Bills fans will make not to blame Allen is off the charts Dawson Knox - He has shown some tremendous flashes but made some huge mental errors as well. The missed block vs Houston was on him, and it was a killer. He has issues with drops too. Underrated (by Bills fans): Trent Murphy - decent DE that plays the run well. He will never be a monster pass rusher, but remember, there’s a reason why he started over Shaq Lawson. Brian Daboll - not the best OC but not the worst either. He dialed up some good plays last season that weren’t executed well, included many downfield passes which Allen couldn’t connect. TJ Yeldon - Yeldon was a good 3rd down back for Jacksonville and he was effective when he got a chance to play last year in Cincy. The fumble are a huge issue but if he could get that taken care of he’s a good runner and receiver 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 I think they are all accurately rated except for maybe Murphy who is treated like he's a terrible player when he isn't. I disagree with the rest. Morse? He isn't even talked about often, so how can he be overrated? I think most understand we overpaid for him a little because he was the best option in free agency. If you sign starters in free agency you will overpay. He's a solid player. I also don't think Poyer or Milano are overrated. Poyer is a fringe pro bowl safety and Milano is a fringe pro bowl linebacker. Both are very good. They aren't great or elite or anything, but they are very solid and every team in the league would be happy to have them. The real value in Poyer is the tandem between him and Hyde. Hughes is another of those very solid players. There is a lot of divided opinion on both sides for him, so I don't think it is fair to say he is overrated OR underrated. He's both, depending on which fan you ask. The truth is somewhere in-between. Brown gets a ton of respect around here. Maybe he is underrated nationally, though? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 Overrated: Allen - He has the potential, but people are acting like he's already made it. We all want that, but as of last season he's still in the number 20 or so QB range. Edmunds - People treating him like an elite player, when he's still a massive question mark. Because he was drafted young, he'll have that potential going for him for a while. There's still a lot of LBs in the league I'd rather have at this point, especially if age and money weren't a factor. I'm extremely hopeful for him though given his athleticism. Milano - I love his play, but he's a solid B+ kind of guy. The $15M suggestions for a guy like him are completely insane. I want him to be a Bill, but I don't see him as a star. Knox - Talk about unearned praise. He's got some sort of Martin Nance magic going on with the fanbase. We've seen him make some really great plays, and he's also looked like a guy that's caught 68 balls since he was in high school 5 years ago. Maybe it all comes together this year and he becomes a 1000 yard guy, but there's little evidence to predict that. Underrated: Bills fans are pretty high on this team, for good reason, and thus I think more players are getting pushed up rather than down. I'm not sure there's a primary player that's getting dogged where they don't deserve it, but I think there are a couple of guys down the depth chart that could play a bigger role than expected. Mario Addison - I think this is a huge get. While Hughes gets a lot of pressure, Addison is a player that's been really good about finishing the last couple of years. I wouldn't be shocked to see him around 10 sacks if he gets enough playing time. Darryl Johnson - I haven't heard anything about him out of camp, but the energy he played with last year, plus him currently being slotted over Epenesa of the depth chart has me hopeful that he pushes Trent Murphy this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 I'll just say that I think if we revisit this thread a year from now there will be a few chuckles at the notion of Edmunds being overrated. 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 On a National scale: Overrated - None. We have not been relevant long enough to have overrated players Underrated - it was White until his All Pro recognition. Now it’s probably Milano and Dawkins. There is not much pub on them outside of Buffalo. Most scrutinized - Allen. Some of the negative press is ridiculous for a player that needed coaching and seasoning and was thrust into a rebuilding offense (recall the 2018 OL and the 2019 WRs). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 1 hour ago, 4merper4mer said: I'll just say that I think if we revisit this thread a year from now there will be a few chuckles at the notion of Edmunds being overrated. Maybe he won't be a year from now. I think we're all hoping he lives up to the hype. However, so far his hype has drastically exceeded his play. What has he really done? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 (edited) Allen is over rated by no one other than the Bills fan base. He's crapped on by every pundit, fan base, and sports network out there. Over rated: Milano. Excels in one area and that's coverage. Not great in run support, not a great tackler Honorable mention: Jerry Hughes (26.5 sacks the last 6 seasons from your top pass rusher) That's pretty bad! Under rated: That's a tough one. I'd say John Brown. He's never mentioned in top WR discussion but has proven to be quite the player when given the chance to be a focal point. Will likely take a step back this year cause of Diggs but still expect him to be near the 1k mark. Honorable mention: Micah Hyde. Leader of men, solid tackler, good hands,right place right time kinda player. Edited September 13, 2020 by billsbackto81 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 49 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: Maybe he won't be a year from now. I think we're all hoping he lives up to the hype. However, so far his hype has drastically exceeded his play. What has he really done? An overrated 21yo who runs point for one of the NFL's top defenses and takes away all sorts of outlets normally open to opposing QBs? Got it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 I agree that Morse is getting paid overs... I was thinking in this past offseason that they could look to trade him pre draft 2021, Re-sign Feliciano on cheaper money to slot in there a year or two whilst they look to draft and develop the eventual long term replacement.. Will wait and see how Feliciano returns from injury to see is this is still looking like an option .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 4 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: An overrated 21yo who runs point for one of the NFL's top defenses and takes away all sorts of outlets normally open to opposing QBs? Got it. What sorts of outlets? Milano was graded significantly higher than Edmunds in coverage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 2 hours ago, 4merper4mer said: I'll just say that I think if we revisit this thread a year from now there will be a few chuckles at the notion of Edmunds being overrated. The dude just went to the Pro Bowl. He is totally not overrated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ehfeuh57 Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 Milano and Poyer are underrated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: What sorts of outlets? Milano was graded significantly higher than Edmunds in coverage. @GunnerBill has covered a lot of this in a fair amount of detail. Take a look. Edmunds plays a critical role in our defense, which is rated very highly. I understand he is highly regarded on this board but so are most players. The national media generally says good things during games but hardly mentions him at all when listing top players. I just don't see how he is overrated. He is most certainly a better player than Milano. That is no knock on Milano. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 Just now, 4merper4mer said: @GunnerBill has covered a lot of this in a fair amount of detail. Take a look. Edmunds plays a critical role in our defense, which is rated very highly. I understand he is highly regarded on this board but so are most players. The national media generally says good things during games but hardly mentions him at all when listing top players. I just don't see how he is overrated. He is most certainly a better player than Milano. That is no knock on Milano. He isn't overrated nationally - just here and among Bills fans in general. That's the context of most of the thread. He's talked about in the top 20 nationally, but sometimes bills fans act like he's the next Kuechly, Willis, Urlacher, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 Most on this board are Bills fans so it is hard to pick an underrated player among us. Nationally I'd say Brown, Hyde, and Allen are the most underrated but Allen has people who love him. The ones hating him are relentless and over the top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 Overrated: Cole Beasley Underrated: Josh Allen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TroutDog Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 It’s a team sport: change any of these individuals out and the players that are left will be different...particularly in the defensive backfield. We’ve all seen it time and time again in the NFL. We will see but I have faith a fantastic roster has been put together and this will be a very enjoyable year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 7 hours ago, GreggTX said: I disagree on Poyer. He's solid and that's how most people see him. I would have to start the overrated list with 1. Edmunds and 2. Allen. I do think Edmunds has the tools to continue improving though. John Brown is solid too, but he's nowhere near Diggs. Other than that, I agree. I'd just add Dawkins and Spain as slightly underrated. Josh Allen is easily the most overrated player on the team, and by a wide margin. I like Poyer too. I wouldn't consider Jerry Hughes "underrated" as the OP did. His gas tank has been relatively low for a season or 2 now. He used to be a lot more effective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsPride12 Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 I still think some Bills fan underrate how good Ed Oliver can turn out to be. I really expect him to breakout this season and become a legit star in this league. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 Overrated: Duke Williams Underrated: Duke Williams 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 It depends who I am considering them overrated and underrated by.... In terms of league wide attention I think Josh Allen is probably a little underrated. On this board however he is a little overrated (people here tend to rate him on what he could become not what he is today). But leaving Allen aside I would say most Bill fans overrate Mitch Morse and Mario Addison. I think the two Qs... Quinton Spain and Quinton Jefferson are underrated. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted September 13, 2020 Author Share Posted September 13, 2020 5 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: It depends who I am considering them overrated and underrated by.... In terms of league wide attention I think Josh Allen is probably a little underrated. On this board however he is a little overrated (people here tend to rate him on what he could become not what he is today). But leaving Allen aside I would say most Bill fans overrate Mitch Morse and Mario Addison. I think the two Qs... Quinton Spain and Quinton Jefferson are underrated. Good call on Addison and Spain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 (edited) Not all that much. Morse isn't terrific, but was never considered to be, I think, by most. He's a solid guy, above average and really good at the mental side of it. Poyer really is excellent, not so much athletically as for playing the position really intelligently and making it very hard for QBs to read the defense. And Milano really is as good as we think he is. Which is to say he's no All-Pro but he also plays very intelligently, reads the right holes nearly every time and is very fast and can cover. If anyone's overrated on these boards, it's probably everyone. Which is pretty natural, as we're Bills fans. Happens with every fan base. The whole team is slightly overrated by our own fans. But every once in a while, a team improves enough to make that overoptimistic fan base look like they'd been right on the money. Hopefully that's us this year. Underrated? Hmm, yeah, good list, Brown and Murphy. Fair enough. Overall I don't think there are major mistakes made on this team. We have a pretty decent grasp on who they are, except for a whipping boy or two that this fanbase always seems to need. Oh, and we don't yet have much of a grasp on the new guys, as Gunner thoughtfully points out. I know I don't, yet. Edited September 13, 2020 by Thurman#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 36 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said: Not all that much. Morse isn't terrific, but was never considered to be, I think, by most. He's a solid guy, above average and really good at the mental side of it. Poyer really is excellent, not so much athletically as for playing the position really intelligently and making it very hard for QBs to read the defense. And Milano really is as good as we think he is. Which is to say he's no All-Pro but he also plays very intelligently, reads the right holes nearly every time and is very fast and can cover. If anyone's overrated on these boards, it's probably everyone. Which is pretty natural, as we're Bills fans. Happens with every fan base. The whole team is slightly overrated by our own fans. But every once in a while, a team improves enough to make that overoptimistic fan base look like they'd been right on the money. Hopefully that's us this year. Underrated? Hmm, yeah, good list, Brown and Murphy. Fair enough. Overall I don't think there are major mistakes made on this team. We have a pretty decent grasp on who they are, except for a whipping boy or two that this fanbase always seems to need. Oh, and we don't yet have much of a grasp on the new guys, as Gunner thoughtfully points out. I know I don't, yet. Hmm. I saw lots of "Morse is a top 5 center" posts after the season. His best year in KC - sure. His first year here - definitely not. John Brown I think counted as underrated a year ago. I think there are some on here who now actually slightly overrate him but most have a pretty good handle on him. Equally on Murphy.... is he underrated? I don't know. People would say I underrate him but I just expect my d-end to be able to hit the right run contain lane like 3 or 4 times a game. I don't think I am asking a lot. Sure he made some plays as a pass rusher at the end of last season and by all reports had a good camp (when he most needed it). I have no problem with him being here as such.... he is overpaid though and he remains pretty much a liability in the run game until he shows me on the field that he isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 Good thread @Ethan in Portland!! This is always one of my favorites. over - Morse under - Levi (a lot to pick from here) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 Just now, Kirby Jackson said: Good thread @Ethan in Portland!! This is always one of my favorites. over - Morse under - Levi (a lot to pick from here) I considered Levi. While he is one of the weaker starters on the Bills he is sometimes talked about like a liability and he really isn't. He has proven himself a serviceable starting zone corner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 Just now, GunnerBill said: I considered Levi. While he is one of the weaker starters on the Bills he is sometimes talked about like a liability and he really isn't. He has proven himself a serviceable starting zone corner. He was playing quite well last year when he went down. Levi seemed to be ascending. I’m in complete agreement. He’s an average(ish) starting CB. He’s certainly not a disaster. Levi is the EXACT type of player that championship teams have a few of. He came out of nowhere, is cheap and can play. He’s found money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 Overrated; Oliver and Spain Underrated: John brown, Levi Wallace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 4 hours ago, Rocky Landing said: Overrated: Duke Williams Underrated: Duke Williams Often in the course of a game. 😁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, Rocky Landing said: Overrated: Duke Williams Underrated: Duke Williams Often in the course of a game. 😁 * Often by the same person! 😁😁 Edited September 13, 2020 by Ridgewaycynic2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsPride12 Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 2 hours ago, Joe in Winslow said: Overrated; Oliver and Spain Underrated: John brown, Levi Wallace I think Oliver is going to make you eat crow on that one. We shall see Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 From Bills fans view: underrated - Spain. Literally no accolades but he was the first that Beane re-signed. Murphy - overcame ACL injury, fans don’t seem to appreciate him. overrated - Hughes. He is slowing down so Beane brought in more bodies to rotate in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Romes Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 Underrated: Roberts, a top 10 yardage returner who does not fumble. What an asset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 BIG disagree on Milano. All Cookie does is make plays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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