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The hole on the Bills roster that could ruin the season

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Firts, there are very few teams in the NFL that can withstand the loss of the starting QB.  Saints got lucky last year, but only because Bridgewater was coming off injury.  They now have Winston as a back up.  Great move by them.  Dalton to the Cowboys is also a great move.  I agree with the general idea the OP stated. The Bills could do better at backup QB with Winston or Dalton.  However, there are very few other teams in the NFL that are any better at backup QB. 

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On 6/30/2020 at 3:40 AM, DCbillsfan said:

Based on what Beane and McD have done so far, I give them the benefit of the doubt.  They know Cam very well.  Perhaps they didn't believe he would be a good fit.  

Cam wants to be the starter.   He was not going to come in here and  take over Allen.   That is not how McDermott has built this team.  

Cam will be starting for NE,  

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On 6/29/2020 at 4:40 PM, JetsFan20 said:

I’m pretty surprised the Bills as a contender didn’t take out an insurance policy for Josh Allen. With Newton in the fold this division is going to be a dogfight and if Barkley/Fromm has to start meaningful games that could be the difference. 
 

I know you guys love Beane/McDermott and they are doing a great job, but to me they made a mistake here. 

Every team in the division has proven QBs behind their starter with the exception of the prohibitive favorite.  

 

So basically, you are saying the same as Michael Lombardi:

 

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15 hours ago, JetsFan20 said:


I think Flacco can be a Pro Bowl starter for the Jets by years end. Perhaps he had a Vinny Testavetde type run.

 

Yes my money is on Flacco and Cam Newton to be in the pro bowl this year !!! 

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On 6/29/2020 at 5:45 PM, chongli said:

You're such a troll. Who do the Dolphins have behind Fitz? Who do the Patriots have behind Newton?

 

Can this person be banned?

Let’s ban those who hold different opinions ... you sir are part of the problem with society today. 

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57 minutes ago, Putin said:

Yes my money is on Flacco and Cam Newton to be in the pro bowl this year !!! 

 

I hope this wager isn't more than $5

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1 hour ago, AlCowlingsTaxiService said:

Let’s ban those who hold different opinions ... you sir are part of the problem with society today. 

 

On other thread, he has proven to be a known troll. Sorry.

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13 hours ago, MJS said:

By running and throwing, I imagine. Or defensively. Or on special teams.

 

Dolphins and Jets will be among the league's worst teams this year. I thought the Jets might be better but I've changed my mind about them and think they will struggle.

 

Dolphins have a major lack of talent and are still a year away at least before being a team to worry about, but they are on the right track.

 

Doesn't really matter, though. Most teams would suck if their starting QB misses significant time. Only a small handful of teams would be ok. None of the AFC East teams are among those.

Their season would be killed if Allen misses 4 games or more. Id bet a lot of money on that. Hell, even 2-3 games and their season would be in jeaopardy considering that schedule. 

 

Barkley isn't holding down the fort.

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21 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

So, about Sam Darnold....Joe Flacco and Mike White, seriously?  If they have to start meaningful games that could be the difference.  What exactly has Flacco proven except that he's done, stick a fork in him? Jets made a mistake here. 

 

What has Stidham proven?  or Tua for that matter?

 

Most teams have a huge step-down in talent going from the starter to the backup

 

Flacco's starts even last season prove that he remains a considerably better quarterback than Matt Barkley. He isn't a starting level QB any longer but there were a couple of games last year where he played pretty well and the Broncos (who were a sneaky good 7-9) found a way to lose. Agree on Stidham he has proven nothing. And while Tua hasn't either it would be a major surprise if he ended up a worse NFL Quarterback than Matt Barkley. 

 

I am pretty surprised the Bills were not more aggressive in pursuing a better backup this offseason. Flacco could keep the Jets around .500 if Darnold missed 4 or 5 games like last year. If Josh Allen missed 4 games for the Bills on this schedule we would go 0-4 I am pretty sure. The Bills know it too. They risked a less than 100% Josh Allen in Nashville last year because they knew that was a huge game and they knew they had little chance to win it with Barkley. 

 

Hopefully this is all academic because Josh stays healthy. But if he doesn't the Pegulas should ask Beane and McDermott some tough questions about why they felt comfortable going with Barkley. 

2 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

Their season would be killed if Allen misses 4 games or more. Id bet a lot of money on that. Hell, even 2-3 games and their season would be in jeaopardy considering that schedule. 

 

Barkley isn't holding down the fort.

 

Agree. Especially not on this schedule. I could see it last year. The schedule was favourable, they needed Josh to be a comfortable as possible and he and Barkley are tight. It made sense to me to ride with Barkley rather than have more turnover in the QB room give what Josh went through his first year. This season I think it is a very risky strategy. 

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If memory serves correct Barkley has played significant snaps in two games.  He started one against the Jets and shredded them.  In another he came in for an injured Josh and looked bad.  If he had to come in then you hope he's more the Jets guy than the other guy.  When NFL teams have to go to backup they are generally in trouble at the QB position.

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53 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:


Flacco's starts even last season prove that he remains a considerably better quarterback than Matt Barkley. He isn't a starting level QB any longer but there were a couple of games last year where he played pretty well and the Broncos (who were a sneaky good 7-9) found a way to lose.


I didn’t watch all the games.  But I saw several where Flacco was a hot mess.  So we’ll have to agree to disagree there.

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52 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

If memory serves correct Barkley has played significant snaps in two games.  He started one against the Jets and shredded them.  In another he came in for an injured Josh and looked bad.  If he had to come in then you hope he's more the Jets guy than the other guy.  When NFL teams have to go to backup they are generally in trouble at the QB position.

People were excited to have Barkley as a backup last off season. He barely played at all last season and now people think he's the worst backup in the league. It's pretty strange to me.

 

Not saying Barkley is good or bad, but I don't get the huge reversal in opinion based on limited play in one game.

 

I tend to trust the coaches and GM.

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43 minutes ago, MJS said:

People were excited to have Barkley as a backup last off season. He barely played at all last season and now people think he's the worst backup in the league. It's pretty strange to me.

 

Not saying Barkley is good or bad, but I don't get the huge reversal in opinion based on limited play in one game.

 

I tend to trust the coaches and GM.

Over-reaction is the norm in the world of Bills fans.  

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On 6/29/2020 at 2:45 PM, chongli said:

You're such a troll. Who do the Dolphins have behind Fitz? Who do the Patriots have behind Newton?

 

Can this person be banned?

Do you work for twitter ? BTW, the Dolphins have the most talented QB, by far, backing Fitz.

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Allen's healthier than Newton. He'll play 14 games at minimum assuming a full season

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12 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

If memory serves correct Barkley has played significant snaps in two games.  He started one against the Jets and shredded them.  In another he came in for an injured Josh and looked bad.  If he had to come in then you hope he's more the Jets guy than the other guy.  When NFL teams have to go to backup they are generally in trouble at the QB position.

 

3 games.

Played a great game against the Jets in 2018, shredded them.

Played OK when he came in for a concussed Josh against NE in 2019 - they have a tough D, and he played OK - we had a shot to win.  Zay Jones drop, Lee Smith and Ty Nsekhe false starts, some strange play calling, all contributed.

Played pretty badly in the Week 17 Jets game but of course had backup OL and TE/WR.  My conclusion was that the backups on D are way better than the backups on O were, but it was still a pretty durn "meh" performance.

 

 

 

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we have to consider the following too:

 

* Guys like Winston wouldn't have wanted to back up a younger QB (ego thing);  favorable for them to backup a Brees or a Brady.     Also, it gives them a chance to take up the starting position if those guys retired. 

* May be guys like Dalton wanted to move down to warmer place and wouldn't have come to Buffalo unless you offered him starter money to backup Allen.  Which kind of blows the team when starter is paid peanuts and backup gets starting money.

* Cam wanted to only to be a starter or have an opportunity to start (Competition).  Bills were not going to offer him

* Flacco could have been a choice; he is better than Barkley at this stage of his career; but how much better is the question.   Now do you release Barkley to sign Flacco.  Also, Flacco showed the bad attitude against young QBs in both Baltimore and Denver.  His unwillingness to help a young QB on the field was something that scare Beane and McDermott

*  The bills really had not much options.

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