Brianmoorman4jesus Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 The (usually intolerable) Schopp and the Bulldog actually ran a pretty solid show Friday. They each drafted their own “all time Bills Defenses” and it was a nice break from reality. It kind of has me thinking about Bills of the past and who will be next to be recognized. Common thought will most likely be that it’s Kyle Williams but that doesn’t have to be right. Most of the big time 90s guys are taken care of and most of the pre super bowl year guys are too. The Flutie years were fun and a few of those players were really good. The drought era really left a lot to be desired. There was few solid players that stuck it out and a few excellent ones that didn’t last but nobody really jumps out at you. Guys like Fred, Eric Wood, Moorman and Kyle all have arguments for being up there but a lot goes into it. Im going to say the next guy is Moulds. I’m actually not really sure how he isn’t up there yet but I’m sure it’s personal. Moulds is the second best WR to ever play for the organization and is a no brained IMO. There’s not a ton to talk about right now, so I figured I’d throw in a change of pace. Who do you guys say is next? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 Schobel is long overdue. Kyle should and will likely get his chance. Fred is a fan favorite, but not sure if he'll get up there. Gilchrest made it and Fred meant a lot more to the Bills for a lot longer. Remove the murderer and there will be more room. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfansinceday1 Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 Those are all solid names. I could certainly be wrong but think it will be Kyle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 I’m not sure how many more there will be until a new stadium which is coming someday. Schobel, Moulds, etc. are all great guys, just don’t know if they are Wall of Fame. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted May 3, 2020 Author Share Posted May 3, 2020 Schobel is so weird for me. I can’t ever remember thinking he was really that good but he was pretty solid. He’s like one of those guys that you almost didn’t realize was “good” until he stopped playing. Like to me, Hughes is probably better. It might not end up being remembered that way but I just never felt strong about Schobel. Maybe it’s just me. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 Ed Freaking Oliver Realistically...Moulds. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted May 3, 2020 Author Share Posted May 3, 2020 33 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: Ed Freaking Oliver Realistically...Moulds. Guessing a guy that’s on the team now, is not a bad idea. Maybe the Bills won’t put anyone else in for a while and who knows how great these teams could end up being 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Bill Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 45 minutes ago, Gugny said: Schobel is long overdue. Kyle should and will likely get his chance. Fred is a fan favorite, but not sure if he'll get up there. Gilchrest made it and Fred meant a lot more to the Bills for a lot longer. Remove the murderer and there will be more room. Seriously, Fred met more??. Most of his time he didn't even start. Good team guy, effort, citizen for sure but Gilchrist was a different league. In a day when black was bad, when personality was not allowed, when an athletes voice was frowned on Cookie was the man. He was disliked because of race by many...and ignored as a result. Hell, Bills fans loved kickers more than Cookie , Pete Gogolak.unless you were at the rockpile every week, or in the CFL stadium. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 (edited) Can I throw Rueben Brown out there? His career was far superior to guys like Richter who are up there. Edited May 3, 2020 by Kirby Jackson 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 6 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said: Seriously, Fred met more??. Most of his time he didn't even start. Good team guy, effort, citizen for sure but Gilchrist was a different league. In a day when black was bad, when personality was not allowed, when an athletes voice was frowned on Cookie was the man. He was disliked because of race by many...and ignored as a result. Hell, Bills fans loved kickers more than Cookie , Pete Gogolak.unless you were at the rockpile every week, or in the CFL stadium. He played for the Bills or 3 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuvian Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 Kyle Williams is the most deserving 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted May 3, 2020 Author Share Posted May 3, 2020 11 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: Can I throw Ruben Brown out there? His career was far superior to guys like Richter who are up there. Brown is definitely a forgotten guy here. He was one of the few I was alluding to when I mentioned the Flutie years. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 They might go with a native WNY'r in Shane Conlan. Not a real long career with the Bills but was part of the rise out of obscurity. Did I read right that Bennett is not up there yet? Moulds deserves consideration but my feeling is that TPTB are looking a little further back in time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 Eric Moulds. Three pro bowls. Nearly 10,000 WR yards (2nd behind Reed). All while playing with below average QB's the bulk of his career here. 6 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsPride12 Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 It should be Cornelius Bennett 12 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 (edited) Dark horse candidate. Charles Romes 1977-1986. Played in every game he was on the roster and is placed at 8th all time in number of games started for the Bills. No Jerry Butler to this point? Edited May 3, 2020 by RochesterRob 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted May 3, 2020 Author Share Posted May 3, 2020 This kind of made me re look up who is actually on the wall. There are a few really good players from the past not up there. Very strange. Bennet, Moulds, Brown all should absolutely have already been up there. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 Brian Moorman absolutely deserves it 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 Another vote for Cornelius Bennett. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 (edited) I don't think ANY of the drought era players should get on before Biscuit... Not...a...single...one...? Then Reuben and Moulds... Edited May 3, 2020 by KOKBILLS 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 @StHustle, speak your mind, brother! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 Once again, no one should go up there before Butch Byrd. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 Next 2 possibles : A) Tre White B) JoshAllen. I don’t think anyone else from 90’s teams makes it. Aughts were mostly awful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 2 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: Can I throw Ruben Brown out there? His career was far superior to guys like Richter who are up there. Brown and Moulds should be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 18 minutes ago, Rico said: Once again, no one should go up there before Butch Byrd. This is worth repeating. I don’t understand how he’s not up there already. Is there something not publicly known, or is this just an oversight? All time leader in receptions, and from my minor experiences, a great guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted May 3, 2020 Author Share Posted May 3, 2020 There are certainly a few guys up there, that weren’t as good as Bennet or Moulds. Times are different now and maybe the current ownership has a difference in opinion on a few guys but it’s hard to say. I’m not old enough to have seen Ferguson play in person but from all I have seen and read...it’s a bit of a stretch to have him up there. There’s no way he deserves it more then Moulds IMO. If Moulds played with Kelly, who knows what he could have been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 3 minutes ago, Augie said: This is worth repeating. I don’t understand how he’s not up there already. Is there something not publicly known, or is this just an oversight? All time leader in receptions, and from my minor experiences, a great guy. He was a huge contributor to 2 Bills championship teams. A lot of other names in this thread did nothing but lose. Butch is 78 now, I'd like to see it happen soon. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted May 3, 2020 Author Share Posted May 3, 2020 And also Edgerson over Byrd? Both guys are before my time but I have done a lot of research on Bills history to pay respect to the team I love. That seems off to me. Both could be up there but if it’s one or the other, should be Byrd right? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 (edited) 35 minutes ago, Rico said: He was a huge contributor to 2 Bills championship teams. A lot of other names in this thread did nothing but lose. Butch is 78 now, I'd like to see it happen soon. I met him a number of times as he lived in our community and my sister used to babysit their kids. I remember going to their place to watch games on TV, and traded football cards with his son. I’ve told this here before, but he was at the door talking to my dad one day and I came out to show them the physics trick I learned as a 4th grader. If you squeeze a raw egg with equal pressure on all sides, it will not break. Apparently, my pressure was NOT equal, and I blasted Butch with a raw egg all over the suit he was wearing. OOPS! He didn't kill me, so HE BELONGS ON THE WALL! It should happen while he can appreciate it, for sure. Byrd had 40 INT’s in 98 games with 5 TD’s. Second place? Tony Greene with 37 INT in a whopping 128 games, with only 2 TD’s. Butch, then Kyle. Let’s not forget the past. . . Edited May 3, 2020 by Augie 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOVEMESOMEBILLS Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 3 hours ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: Schobel is so weird for me. I can’t ever remember thinking he was really that good but he was pretty solid. He’s like one of those guys that you almost didn’t realize was “good” until he stopped playing. Like to me, Hughes is probably better. It might not end up being remembered that way but I just never felt strong about Schobel. Maybe it’s just me. He has second most sacks all-time in Bills history. He had an injury riddled 2008 season in which he only had one sack, but the other eight years he averaged just under 10 sacks a year. All in all from what I remember he was really good, but his career was only 9 years long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 Aaron Schobel and Kyle Williams. Both are deserving and spent their entire careers as Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StHustle Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 1 hour ago, Gugny said: @StHustle, speak your mind, brother! Not about to get into an OJ debate. But will make this one statement: You don't remove a guy who was found not guilty...period. Some even make great arguments that you don't remove players cause of what they do later in their lives regardless what it is. He was one of the greatest bills players ever and should remain. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 (edited) I just went through the all-time Bills roster, here's my top 5 most worthy: 1. Butch Byrd 2. Cornelius Bennett 3. Tom Day 4. Reggie McKenzie 5. Tony Greene Other players: Jerry Butler Bob Chandler Steve Freeman Fred Jackson Frank Lewis Ron McDole Terrence McGee Brian Moorman Frank Reich Ted Washington Kyle Williams Edited May 3, 2020 by Rico 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted May 3, 2020 Author Share Posted May 3, 2020 16 minutes ago, Rico said: I just went through the all-time Bills roster, here's my top 5 most worthy: 1. Butch Byrd 2. Cornelius Bennett 3. Tom Day 4. Reggie McKenzie 5. Tony Greene Other players: Jerry Butler Bob Chandler Steve Freeman Fred Jackson Frank Lewis Ron McDole Terrence McGee Brian Moorman Frank Reich Ted Washington Kyle Williams No Moulds on either list? The guy is probably the most deserving guy not on the wall. After Reed, it’s Moulds and nobody is even close to those guys. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 3 hours ago, stuvian said: Kyle Williams is the most deserving he was my first thought as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 1 hour ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: No Moulds on either list? The guy is probably the most deserving guy not on the wall. After Reed, it’s Moulds and nobody is even close to those guys. Not after his actions his last year on the team, no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 I really like Moulds, Kyle, but Bennett would get my vote. I’m ok if it doesn’t happen as that wall is only so big, and being an eternal optimist, the best is yet come. There will be more players wall worthy with a franchise on the move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 9 hours ago, Augie said: This is worth repeating. I don’t understand how he’s not up there already. Is there something not publicly known, or is this just an oversight? All time leader in receptions, and from my minor experiences, a great guy. You kind of wonder with both Byrd and Bennett if there is something that the public does not know that precludes them from entry. Some guys are modest and maybe they asked not to be put up for the time being. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shane nelson Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 How Biscuit is not on the wall is beyond me. One of the best LB the Bills ever had. The year Bruce was hurt and Bennett was basically a rover was fun to watch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QB Bills Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 Other than the Brady pick in New England, I can't remember one play Schobel ever made for the Bills. How he managed to get all those sacks yet still remain invisible is impressive. Also, he seemed permanently ornery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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