Green Lightning Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 20 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: Except for not being physically capable of playing the position in the NFL? Based on what? He played at a high level and is a 66% completion Pct passer. Let's let him compete before declaring him PUP in the NFL for Chrissake. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perry Turtle Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 4 minutes ago, TwistofFate said: Over 63% career completion 8.4 yards per attempt on career 156 career Qb rating 3 year starter What's not to like? I know, his college stats are almost as good as A.J. McCarron's, and he turned out fine! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fender Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 3 minutes ago, TwistofFate said: Over 63% career completion 8.4 yards per attempt on career 156 career Qb rating 3 year starter What's not to like? He had FIVE 1,000 yard rushers in his 3 year career. His stats look better than he played. They show him to be an elite college QB which wasn’t the case. He was a solid game manger that got his stud RB/OL into the right play. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelingOnYouboty Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 5 minutes ago, TwistofFate said: Over 63% career completion 8.4 yards per attempt on career 156 career Qb rating 3 year starter What's not to like? Puny arm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 50 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: Your welcome. *You're 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Green Lightning said: Based on what? He played at a high level and is a 66% completion Pct passer. Let's let him compete before declaring him PUP in the NFL for Chrissake. There is a requisite requirement for arm strength in a QB in the NFL that doesn't exist in college. He's Peterman. I hated Peterman from the start and said he doesn't even belong in the league because he simply cannot throw the ball to certain places on the field that get there quick enough. If he HAD even adequate arm strength he would have been picked in the top two rounds. Fromm I mean. Edited April 25, 2020 by Kelly the Dog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 5 minutes ago, Fender said: He doesn’t have the arm to throw in that wind and he has really small hands. Asking him to play in those winters won’t work out well. Overall I love our draft. I’ve been a die hard Bills fan since 1990. I just can’t imagine how anyone thought he’d be a good fit. He’s Barkley 2.0. He’ll help Allen tho. He has a ridiculously high football IQ. At the elite 11 he correct his coach on a play the 2nd day of practice. He learned the playbook in one day. He’s not great with post snap reads but he’s really good pre snap. That should help Allen I think. Out of 8 home games at new era any given year, about 3 are in bad weather. It’s an overrated factor, IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 Just now, mannc said: Out of 8 home games at new era any given year, about 3 are in bad weather. It’s an overrated factor, IMO Except he can't make the throws when it's sunny and 80 with a gentle breeze. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 1 minute ago, Kelly the Dog said: There is a requisite requirement for arm strength in a QB in the NFL that doesn't exist in college. He's Peterman. I hated Peterman from the start and said he doesn't even belong in the league because he simply cannot throw the ball to certain places on the field that get there quick enough. If he HAD even adequate arm strength he would have been picked in the top two rounds. From I mean. Well Beane thinks he has the requisite requirement. Accurate and a winner looks good to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 I like this pick. Maybe he turns into a good backup for the Bills. And who knows, maybe he can offer Allen some help in his development. Some of his strengths are things that Allen needs to improve at. From @DJB‘s scouting report on Fromm’s strengths: Quote Cerebral player with good football instincts. Outstanding leadership qualities and character Throws with good anticipation, touch and accuracy Operates through progressions well and keeps eyes downfield when facing pressure Plays with poise and confidence in pressure situations Has a firm solid base and calm footwork when in the pocket Rarely puts the ball in danger areas. 11 total INT in 3 seasons as a starting QB. Knows when to throw the ball away to avoid the sack. As evidenced by only 15 sacks taken in 2020 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fender Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 1 minute ago, mannc said: Out of 8 home games at new era any given year, about 3 are in bad weather. It’s an overrated factor, IMO Even early in the year when NE came to town and Barkley had to finish the game the wind effected his passes and it wasn’t even that bad that day. We need QBs with good arms. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 Just now, mannc said: Out of 8 home games at new era any given year, about 3 are in bad weather. It’s an overrated factor, IMO I agree. This was the same debate over Burrow, but maybe to a lesser extent. He doesn’t have a super strong arm, but scouts are looking more for precision and intellect oftentimes. Good article on that here: https://clutchpoints.com/nfl-draft-news-joe-burrow-average-arm-strength-not-concerning-scouts/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 1 minute ago, Green Lightning said: Well Beane thinks he has the requisite requirement. Accurate and a winner looks good to me. I'm thinking this was a gift to McD who loves these guys. McD is the one that loved Peterman and loves Barkley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLFan Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 Some of the posts in this thread are priceless. We are talking about a developmental QB drafted in the fifth round to one day be a backup. People are reacting like he is being drafted to be the franchise savior. Drafting a developmental QB was a good move. He has a winning pedigree and some decent skills, good intelligence. Great backup potential down the road. He will be number 3 this year if he sticks. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 1 minute ago, Kelly the Dog said: Except he can't make the throws when it's sunny and 80 with a gentle breeze. I think that is hyperbole. He wasn’t exactly playing against a bunch of stiffs in college. He played against teams stacked with NFL talent most weeks.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwistofFate Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 6 minutes ago, Perry Turtle said: I know, his college stats are almost as good as A.J. McCarron's, and he turned out fine! You're right, I'd rather they drafted a guy with terrible college stats because that would somehow be likeable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 1 minute ago, JR in Pittsburgh said: I agree. This was the same debate over Burrow, but maybe to a lesser extent. He doesn’t have a super strong arm, but scouts are looking more for precision and intellect oftentimes. Good article on that here: https://clutchpoints.com/nfl-draft-news-joe-burrow-average-arm-strength-not-concerning-scouts/ The two in arm strength are completely different worlds. Burrow easily has enough arm strength. It's just not a cannon. From is a pop gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick the Greek Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 2 hours ago, Happy Gilmore said: I see the red shirt, but where is the khakis? Is he Peterman 2.0? I’m thinking Cardale 2.0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwistofFate Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 9 minutes ago, FeelingOnYouboty said: Puny arm With 78 tds and 18 ints, who cares? Brady has a puny arm. Montana had a puny arm. Accuracy and information pocessing speed is much more important. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Ripster Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 (edited) in 2018 he had the most touchdowns in the SEC and the NCAA?https://ibb.co/v3RM5MF Edited April 25, 2020 by The_Ripster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 4 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: I'm thinking this was a gift to McD who loves these guys. McD is the one that loved Peterman and loves Barkley. That's what TC is for. We'll see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perry Turtle Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 Just now, TwistofFate said: You're right, I'd rather they drafted a guy with terrible college stats because that would somehow be likeable? The majority of QB busts in the NFL posted great college stats, and that includes a bunch of SEC QBs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 Lol the first time this guy gets big reps in a preseason game and lights up some 2s with our WR depth is going to be fun. I’m excited to see what this kid can do but I fully realize he’s probably at best a backup. Never know, he could turn out to be a Case Keanum type. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blank Stare Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 9 minutes ago, mannc said: Out of 8 home games at new era any given year, about 3 are in bad weather. It’s an overrated factor, IMO This. Sick of hearing about the weather. This past year was an odd year for home games and the passing game. Seemed like there was wind or elements in most of them. Even in Sept/Oct. I think it kept some of Josh’s numbers down a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwistofFate Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 Just now, Perry Turtle said: The majority of QB busts in the NFL posted great college stats, and that includes a bunch of SEC QBs. Again, what is the alternative? Do you want me to be happy over a quarterback who has terrible stats? I'm unsure what you're so unhappy about. This was a great draft pick especially in the round that he was taken in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 1 minute ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: Lol the first time this guy gets big reps in a preseason game and lights up some 2s with our WR depth is going to be fun. I’m excited to see what this kid can do but I fully realize he’s probably at best a backup. Never know, he could turn out to be a Case Keanum type. comparison that scouts have made is a future Colt McCoy. Good backup and borderline starter based on high IQ. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 2 minutes ago, JR in Pittsburgh said: comparison that scouts have made is a future Colt McCoy. Good backup and borderline starter based on high IQ. Frank Reich ?♂️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, TheProcess said: This. Sick of hearing about the weather. This past year was an odd year for home games and the passing game. Seemed like there was wind or elements in most of them. Even in Sept/Oct. I think it kept some of Josh’s numbers down a bit. I’ll admit this past year made me want to play inside. Was beyond sick of so many home games having insane wind being a pre-game story line. Edited April 25, 2020 by SCBills 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 2 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: Tate is still going to be a star (don’t @ me) ?? I was pretty involved when that aired. I had a couple interactions with Tate when he was in HS. Sheeeeesh. The documentaries portrayal of him was spot on from my experience (and others that know him). I was really happy when he chose OSU (no offense but I hate that U) and laughed when he transferred to Miami and got beat out. seems like his sister is making money off the show though. She’s doing her thing on Instagram. I loved Fromm on the show and rooted for Georgia because of him. Big fan of the person, the leader and the pick. Low risk 5th rd pick with some upside 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perry Turtle Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 Just now, TwistofFate said: Again, what is the alternative? Do you want me to be happy over a quarterback who has terrible stats? I'm unsure what you're so unhappy about. This was a great draft pick especially in the round that he was taken in. A QB with a better skillset, for a start. Somebody who has a higher floor than Barkley. Maybe someone who mimics some of Allen's mobility, so that the offense does have to change things up too much if the backup has to play. Fromm is too much like Barkley, without Barkley's experience. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 8 minutes ago, Perry Turtle said: The majority of QB busts in the NFL posted great college stats, and that includes a bunch of SEC QBs. Probably because usually you aren’t making the nfl without great college stats 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwistofFate Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 (edited) We see this often: Ownership tasks a GM to win, and win now. So the GM panics and signs free agents who don't deserve the blank checks and big jobs they're offered. Other times, we see these general managers back themselves into a corner by drafting an EJ Manuel or Ryan Tannehill in the first round because they have to get a quarterback. https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2844075-jake-fromm-is-the-perfect-qb-prospect-for-win-now-nfl-teams Edited April 25, 2020 by TwistofFate 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 18 minutes ago, Fender said: He had FIVE 1,000 yard rushers in his 3 year career. His stats look better than he played. They show him to be an elite college QB which wasn’t the case. He was a solid game manger that got his stud RB/OL into the right play. What about his WR talent? Isn't THAT the biggest point here, other than his arm strength? 2 minutes ago, JR in Pittsburgh said: comparison that scouts have made is a future Colt McCoy. Good backup and borderline starter based on high IQ. That's where I'm at with him. The Bills will find out soon enough if he arm is as ragged as some think. IMO it is nowhere near as week as Chad Pennington's and not all that much weaker than Josh Rosen---and many here were very high on him as a FIRST round pick. My guess is, he'll be fine as a system backup QB. And as some have suggested, maybe with some development, maybe even get to be a starter. But I woul'dnt be the house on that. And what's the very worst case scenario? He sucks and gets cut. Happens to 5th rounders every year. No biggie, IMO, to take the BPA at this stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 (edited) Alright, I am a UGA fan. So let me get that out of the way. i told all my other UGA friends that Fromm wouldn’t get drafted before the third round. His arm just isn’t an NFL arm from what I have seen to this point. My friends told me I was nuts. Fast forward to today, it has gone from’ you were right’ to ‘Hahahaha, your Bills picked Fromm’. Let me say this, I am holding out hope that the change of OC And lack of WR talent in 2919 has more to do with Fromm’s regression this past year than anything else. you want to see Fromm at his best? Watch the SEC Championship game of 2018 against Alabama. Want to see Fromm at his worst? Watch SC and LSU this year. As it stands now Fromm projects as a Ryan Fitzpatrick type career. Edited April 25, 2020 by atlbillsfan1975 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwistofFate Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 9 minutes ago, Perry Turtle said: A QB with a better skillset, for a start. Somebody who has a higher floor than Barkley. Maybe someone who mimics some of Allen's mobility, so that the offense does have to change things up too much if the backup has to play. Fromm is too much like Barkley, without Barkley's experience. A better skill-set than incredibly accurate, incredibly smart, and an incredible winner in the toughest division in college.....um okay I don't care about rocket arms and running. I care about intelligence, accuracy, and processing of information. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Ripster Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 i have a feeling this pick could drive a wedge between fans in the next couple seasons... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 Seriously.. What kind of qb did you expect to see in round 5??? What if in 2 years this kid starts playing amazing? Am i expecting it? No.. But never stop drafting qb's..... Cause you never know.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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stuvian Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 46 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: There is a requisite requirement for arm strength in a QB in the NFL that doesn't exist in college. He's Peterman. I hated Peterman from the start and said he doesn't even belong in the league because he simply cannot throw the ball to certain places on the field that get there quick enough. If he HAD even adequate arm strength he would have been picked in the top two rounds. Fromm I mean. Drew Brees says Hi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 10 minutes ago, The_Ripster said: i have a feeling this pick could drive a wedge between fans in the next couple seasons... If you look at my post history, I am not sold on Allen being worth a $30M+ contract. But he’s proven himself the starter until he either tanks or proves he’s worth that kind of money. Not really worried by it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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