Tipster19 Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 (edited) Don’t get comfortable, here comes Belichick! Nothing is worse than false confidence/security. If anyone thinks that Belichick is just gonna roll over than they got another thing coming. Newton and Winston, similar abilities and both available. I’m not buying the Stidham talk, expect Belichick to reinvent that offense. Nobody loves veterans that want to prove something more than Belichick. Edited April 8, 2020 by Tipster19 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBills1998 Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 4 minutes ago, Tipster19 said: Don’t get comfortable, here comes Belichick! Nothing is than false confidence/security. If anyone thinks that Belichick is just gonna roll over thanksgiving they got another thing coming. Newton and Winston, similar abilities and both available. I’m not buying the Stidham talk, expect Belichick to reinvent that offense. Nobody loves veterans that want to prove something more than Belichick. He doesn’t have any cap room to sign either QB. 5 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 They’ll probably draft someone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 Belichick wants a guy to come in and run the system. The system is short to intermediate precise throws and taking care of the football. Don't take risks, just take what the defense gives you. Don't try to do too much. Does that sound anything like Newton or Winston? They are two square pegs that do not fit into the round hole of NE's offense. 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uticaclub Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 No matter who Belichick has at QB, I would still pick them to win the division. Cam would be our worse case scenario if can return to his MVP. 6 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 8 minutes ago, MJS said: Belichick wants a guy to come in and run the system. The system is short to intermediate precise throws and taking care of the football. Don't take risks, just take what the defense gives you. Don't try to do too much. Does that sound anything like Newton or Winston? They are two square pegs that do not fit into the round hole of NE's offense. My money is on the Pats ending up with Eason or Fromm. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessAccepted Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 7 minutes ago, uticaclub said: No matter who Belichick has at QB, I would still pick them to win the division. Cam would be our worse case scenario if can return to his MVP. There is no way that the hoodie will be sharing a podium with the guy in the scarf. No way. He's looking for someone who will fold in to the system like an Andy Dalton type player 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 the pats have zero cap space. you can always make some space but these guys would need to come cheap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessAccepted Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 9 minutes ago, H2o said: My money is on the Pats ending up with Eason or Fromm. I don't think it'll be Fromm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tipster19 Posted April 8, 2020 Author Share Posted April 8, 2020 Brady goes to Tampa and Belichick let’s him. Egos couldn’t be involved here, right?? I would think so. Belichick is going to reinvent that team, that’s what he does! The carries a 3/4 and a 4/3 hybrid defense. He went from a high octane passing attack when they had Moss and then he pulls out of his ass a multi TE offense with Gronk and Hernandez. Like any good info commercial like me que in “but wait, there’s more!”. When that offense ran it’s course he then goes to a platoon of RBs that catch out of the backfield and also incorporated the short to intermediate passing game and sprinkles in a couple of long balls just to keep you off balance. Anyone who thinks this guy is gonna stand pat just hasn’t watch him enough throughout the years. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 Depends on their draft. If they draft oline - i could see them moving Thuney for someone like dalton + picks. Move Sanu for late round pick or cut him. Also if they move out of the first they save some cap space as well. Other than that they're really limited on what they can do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 In the modern NFL good luck winning and finding a traditional drop back Qb. I think Cam woukd make alot of sense. Mcdaniels is too smart of an offensive mind to not take full adavantage of a Qb like Newton. In moat break ups you go for the opposite of what you had. I think NE goes athletic at the position. Or they roll Stidham and Hoyer and Bill is shown to be HC mastermind or positions himself for Lawrence or Feilds. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 In what way are Cam and Winston similar abilities? They are nothing alike. 8 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 29 minutes ago, MJS said: Belichick wants a guy to come in and run the system. The system is short to intermediate precise throws and taking care of the football. Don't take risks, just take what the defense gives you. Don't try to do too much. Does that sound anything like Newton or Winston? They are two square pegs that do not fit into the round hole of NE's offense. Good point and let me add that Winston and BB would never, ever get along imo. Did you see Winston on that pre-season series? He was so freaking annoying I had to turn it off. I don't think that BB would, or even could put up with Winston and his endless motor mouth under any conditions. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 (edited) 35 minutes ago, MJS said: Belichick wants a guy to come in and run the system. The system is short to intermediate precise throws and taking care of the football. Don't take risks, just take what the defense gives you. Don't try to do too much. Does that sound anything like Newton or Winston? They are two square pegs that do not fit into the round hole of NE's offense. Agree with this. While they are very different neither is a great fit for the type of E-P scheme Belichick wants to run. I still say the best fit and the most sensible outcome is a Dalton trade. Because of the way his contract is constructed an extension is reasonably easy to do that brings his cap hit down but gives him some guarantees. I still think ultimately Cincy trades him too. No way he stays there as a backup. They likely want Burrow in the building and signed on the dotted line before it happens though. Edited April 8, 2020 by GunnerBill 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBD Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 Could trade Thuney for a high-ish pick. Then use the room to sign a QB. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 52 minutes ago, H2o said: My money is on the Pats ending up with Eason or Fromm. Fromm would be perfect for that system, IMO. Someone like the Steelers, Saints, Chargers, etc. take him first! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clemfield2622 Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 No way he touches either guy with a 10 foot pole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 9 minutes ago, CBD said: Could trade Thuney for a high-ish pick. Then use the room to sign a QB. No one's trading a top pick and paying Thuney $15M/year. And with Dante Scarnecchia now gone, they'll need to keep as many good OL as possible. As for Newton and Winston, neither can run the Cheaters' system and they still don't have WR's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 3 minutes ago, Doc said: No one's trading a top pick and paying Thuney $15M/year. And with Dante Scarnecchia now gone, they'll need to keep as many good OL as possible. If you could trade and extend though very easy to bring that cap hit down. I agree they will need to keep a good Oline but I think they have talent there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 41 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: If you could trade and extend though very easy to bring that cap hit down. I agree they will need to keep a good Oline but I think they have talent there. Thuney's going to want an average of $15M. The days of players taking a discount there are over. If they trade him, it will be for a later rounder, removes their best OL and that hurts the new QB. As does the loss of DS. If they extend him, his cap hit comes down maybe half. Not enough to get a guy Newton or Winston unless they take a severe discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 I actually think they are content with Jarrett Stidham as their starter and Hoyer as the backup. I also think they’ll draft a QB to develop/compete. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 Winston to Pats would be our best case scenario. Newton would be our worst case. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 6 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said: I actually think they are content with Jarrett Stidham as their starter and Hoyer as the backup. I also think they’ll draft a QB to develop/compete. With a rookie year stat-line of 2 for 4 for 14 yards, no TDs and a pick-six, what's not to love? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inthebuff Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 1 hour ago, aristocrat said: the pats have zero cap space. you can always make some space but these guys would need to come cheap 1 hour ago, Clemfield2622 said: No way he touches either guy with a 10 foot pole. My thought that they both have something to prove and I can see one of them signing for a lower amount to prove he's still a starter in this league at QB, that he can play at a very high level, and have an opportunity to play with one of the greatest coaches of all time. Bellichick has taken players like Randy Moss, Corey Dillon, and even Antonio Brown, and worked with them to have them play his way. If he thinks he can win with them, he'll sign them. If he signs them, it will be for what he wants and he will cut them at the first sign of trouble, i.e. AB. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 1 minute ago, Doc said: With a rookie year stat-line of 2 for 4 for 14 yards, no TDs and a pick-six, what's not to love? And Tom Brady was 1/3 for 6 yards during his entire rookie season. What’s your point? Unknown commodity. It has been reported that the Patriots have been encouraged about what they have seen from Stidham in practice. I don’t know man... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 8 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: Winston to Pats would be our best case scenario. Newton would be our worst case. Newton to the Dolphins, then Fitz to the Pats* after release. He's played for every other AFCE team. It's time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 20 minutes ago, Doc said: Thuney's going to want an average of $15M. The days of players taking a discount there are over. If they trade him, it will be for a later rounder, removes their best OL and that hurts the new QB. As does the loss of DS. If they extend him, his cap hit comes down maybe half. Not enough to get a guy Newton or Winston unless they take a severe discount. I am not sure he is their best OL frankly. Shaq Mason is. But Thuney is good and I can understand them wanting to keep him. I don't think Newton or Winston are options there anyway. Andy Dalton is the way to go and he is very gettable and easy to get under contract even with a restricted cap because of his current contract status. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 12 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: Winston to Pats would be our best case scenario. Newton would be our worst case. The Patriots currently have approximately 2.1 million in salary cap space. Unless there are some major re-structures/releases/trades, I doubt Newton or Winston are realistic options for the patsies. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 1 minute ago, Johnny Hammersticks said: The Patriots currently have approximately 2.1 million in salary cap space. Unless there are some major re-structures/releases/trades, I doubt Newton or Winston are realistic options for the patsies. Oh for sure, neither option is possible. Was just playing along with the post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haslett_Stomp Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 22 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said: I actually think they are content with Jarrett Stidham as their starter and Hoyer as the backup. I also think they’ll draft a QB to develop/compete. I tend to agree. They both have been in the Pats*** system. People always reference how Cassel stepped in and excelled during the 2008 season but he was drafted in 2005 and thus had been in the system for 3 full seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prospector Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 2 hours ago, Tipster19 said: Don’t get comfortable, here comes Belichick! Nothing is worse than false confidence/security. If anyone thinks that Belichick is just gonna roll over than they got another thing coming. Newton and Winston, similar abilities and both available. I’m not buying the Stidham talk, expect Belichick to reinvent that offense. Nobody loves veterans that want to prove something more than Belichick. Are either considered cerebral QBs? Billacheat likes thinkers and good decision makers over athletes and gun slingers. I don’t think you have payed attention to anything BB has done over the last 20 years 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBD Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 (edited) 11 minutes ago, WorstTEever81 said: Are either considered cerebral QBs? Billacheat likes thinkers and good decision makers over athletes and gun slingers. I don’t think you have payed attention to anything BB has done over the last 20 years He's had only one QB over the last 20 years, who happened to be the best ever, from that sample size I don't think we should assume he's unwilling to utilize players with different capabilities. Edited April 8, 2020 by CBD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 29 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said: And Tom Brady was 1/3 for 6 yards during his entire rookie season. What’s your point? Unknown commodity. It has been reported that the Patriots have been encouraged about what they have seen from Stidham in practice. I don’t know man... Seriously? You're comparing him to Brady? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 24 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said: The Patriots currently have approximately 2.1 million in salary cap space. Unless there are some major re-structures/releases/trades, I doubt Newton or Winston are realistic options for the patsies. There's a very easy way to bring in a veteran QB like Cam. Sign him to a 2 year contract with a low 2020 base salary. Have a big roster bonus on March 1st. Work into the contract that if he reaches certain milestones, his contract for 2021, including the roster bonus become guaranteed. Then they either pay him the $ or restructure in 2021. This is Cam betting on himself, but with his injury history he will have to sign a contract with a low salary & a lot of incentives, or something like I've proposed. I don't see any Super Bowl contender seriously considering Winston. He, like Mariotta, will have to go the Tannehill career rehabilitation path. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 5 minutes ago, Doc said: Seriously? You're comparing him to Brady? I’m sorry. You knew Brady was going to be a HOF’er after his rookie season?? That’s amazing man! Seriously! I suspect you’re in the wrong line of work if you predicted his career trajectory after his rookie season where he was 1/3 for 6 yards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prospector Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 10 minutes ago, CBD said: He's had only one QB over the last 20 years, who happened to be the best ever, from that sample size I don't think we should assume he's unwilling to utilize players with different capabilities. There was a thread earlier this week of what BB looks for at each position. And who did he use when TB was out? Matt Cassel. It’s not assumption. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hjnick Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 3 hours ago, Tipster19 said: Don’t get comfortable, here comes Belichick! Nothing is worse than false confidence/security. If anyone thinks that Belichick is just gonna roll over than they got another thing coming. Newton and Winston, similar abilities and both available. I’m not buying the Stidham talk, expect Belichick to reinvent that offense. Nobody loves veterans that want to prove something more than Belichick. #Tanking4TrevorLawrence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 I would actually like to see Billy B take on Jamis. Jamis has insane ability at QB but I think his vision and lack of discipline contributes to his insanely high turnover rate and boneheaded plays. He had his vision corrected and coming to the Pats he could work on a lot of his decision making by being coached up a bit in a system that would work against his weaknesses. Cam is damaged goods at this point and is better off pulling an Andrew Luck and taking a year to get healthy and mentally right. But Jamis doesn't have a major injury history, he is still young and is better than any QB on their roster. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 Their are a bunch of closet Brady and Belly fans here by the looks of some of these posts... shameful at best... Go Bills!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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