Fan in Chicago Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 4 hours ago, Spiderweb said: Why? Why? Why? Absolute turnstile. Complete waste. I too watched every snap he played and came away with the same opinion. But I decided to keep my analysis to myself so my unsupported thoughts wouldn't remove all doubts about my ignorance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dont Stop Billeiving Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 Three years removed from being an All-Pro RT in 2017 and another year removed from his big injury in 2018...I'd argue that he was criminally misused and not allowed to get comfortable at one position last season on a bad Carolina team blocking for below average QBs. For all those reasons, it's not unreasonable to expect an improved season from DW. The risk vs reward on this move is significantly in our favor and despite the fact that it feels like WIlliams has been around for forever, I was happily surprised to learn he's only 27. Love the signing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 Do we know yet how much he got paid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor26 Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 Really hope they do make it an open competition and Ford wins it outright. Hoping he shows big things this season! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesla03 Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 On 3/26/2020 at 6:25 PM, Chicken Boo said: Profootballtalk called him a massive liability on the right side for Carolina last season. Why would he magically be any good here? Beane is basically banking on a short term career revival.its a quick fix at the position hence the 1 yr deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 18 hours ago, simpleman said: Beane has made a lot of gambling signings this year. I'd rather he do that, than just stand pat. But let's not anoint him a genius until he actually proves it. He made one major signing that can be game changing. He made numerous "depth" signings. He made a number of signings that were health gambles like EJ and Williams, that "MAY" turn out. We can only hope he can make what appeared to be a depth signing like in the case of Poyer and Lorenzo , who turned out to be a huge winners.(Not HIS victories). But we need to wait to see how his gambles turn out before we give him a win. We can hope for another Poyer signing, but they are quite rare. We have declared a lot of "Winning Pre Seasons" in the past and found out that they did not result in "Winning Seasons". Let us just hope and wait before we judge. Beanie didn’t sign Alexander, but I get your point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 8 hours ago, Tesla03 said: Beane is basically banking on a short term career revival.its a quick fix at the position hence the 1 yr deal. He’s not really banking on anything per se; he’s got two RTs in the mix without Williams. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 12 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: He’s not really banking on anything per se; he’s got two RTs in the mix without Williams. Yea while RT was in the category of "positions that could stand to be upgraded" it was not a dire desperate need. If Williams is an upgrade fantastic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddo Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 5 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Yea while RT was in the category of "positions that could stand to be upgraded" it was not a dire desperate need. If Williams is an upgrade fantastic. In essence, you will now have a 4 way competition to start ar RT, between Ford, Nsekhe, Waddle and Williams. However it pans out, I believe we will see improved play from the position. It also gives us much more flexibility in respect of the inevitable injuries that happen. We definitely could have done with better depth at the tackle position last year, and with Waddle returning, and the signing of Williams, we now have that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 1 minute ago, Buddo said: In essence, you will now have a 4 way competition to start ar RT, between Ford, Nsekhe, Waddle and Williams. However it pans out, I believe we will see improved play from the position. It also gives us much more flexibility in respect of the inevitable injuries that happen. We definitely could have done with better depth at the tackle position last year, and with Waddle returning, and the signing of Williams, we now have that. Waddle is currently an UFA. I don't know if the Bills have plans on bringing him in for competition, but it couldn't hurt. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 9 minutes ago, Doc said: Waddle is currently an UFA. I don't know if the Bills have plans on bringing him in for competition, but it couldn't hurt. Correct, take out Waddle and put in Bates. i can see been flipping Bates to a team for a fourth or fifth before final cuts. Hopefully showcase Bates In preseason and get back the 4th from the Diggs trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 13 minutes ago, Doc said: Waddle is currently an UFA. I don't know if the Bills have plans on bringing him in for competition, but it couldn't hurt. There was a story they had brought him back but I have never seen any formal confirmation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddo Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 3 minutes ago, Doc said: Waddle is currently an UFA. I don't know if the Bills have plans on bringing him in for competition, but it couldn't hurt. My understanding was that he will be re-signing, but I may be wrong. It might be that due to a lack of physicals etc. the paperwork hasn't gone through yet, but I'm sure I've seen that he was going to re-sign. Just can't remember where off the top of my head. After hitting google, it appears I'm mistaken, but I have no idea why. Thanks for the correction. 1 minute ago, GunnerBill said: There was a story they had brought him back but I have never seen any formal confirmation. Can you remember where, or when that was? At least I wasn't imagining it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simpleman Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 4 hours ago, vincec said: Beanie didn’t sign Alexander, but I get your point. I specifically mentioned " not his victories" when I mentioned Poyer and Alexander. But i meant it definitely has happened, and sure hope it does again. Both were considered by most to be strictly low risk depth signings of players who had just mediocre success with other teams, and instead they blossomed into key cogs for the Bills. Further back in Bills history I can think of Hughes in the same light. How many expected their signings to turn out so spectacularly? Time will tell, fingers crossed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 10 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said: Correct, take out Waddle and put in Bates. i can see been flipping Bates to a team for a fourth or fifth before final cuts. Hopefully showcase Bates In preseason and get back the 4th from the Diggs trade. I want to see what Bates can do. Seemed like a promising late off-season pickup for them. 7 minutes ago, Buddo said: My understanding was that he will be re-signing, but I may be wrong. It might be that due to a lack of physicals etc. the paperwork hasn't gone through yet, but I'm sure I've seen that he was going to re-sign. Just can't remember where off the top of my head. After hitting google, it appears I'm mistaken, but I have no idea why. Thanks for the correction. It wouldn't surprise me if they brought him back for the league minimum. I can't believe there's a lot of interest in his services coming off an injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Fan in Chicago Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 2 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Yea while RT was in the category of "positions that could stand to be upgraded" it was not a dire desperate need. If Williams is an upgrade fantastic. Positional flexibility undoubtedly went into his evaluation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 17 hours ago, John from Riverside said: Do we know yet how much he got paid Haven't heard anything on the contract. He made 6 million last year on a 1 year, played out of position and failed there. Sat a good while as a FA so I imagine quite a lot less than last year. A 1 year prove it deal for Spain last year was 2 million with a small signing bonus. I'm suspecting something around that for Williams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 2 hours ago, simpleman said: I specifically mentioned " not his victories" when I mentioned Poyer and Alexander. But i meant it definitely has happened, and sure hope it does again. Both were considered by most to be strictly low risk depth signings of players who had just mediocre success with other teams, and instead they blossomed into key cogs for the Bills. Further back in Bills history I can think of Hughes in the same light. How many expected their signings to turn out so spectacularly? Time will tell, fingers crossed. Hughes was a trade not a free agent signing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simpleman Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 1 hour ago, Ethan in Portland said: Hughes was a trade not a free agent signing And I never stated he was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 14 minutes ago, simpleman said: And I never stated he was. You wrote "their signings". That in fact is stating he was a signing. Proper English would have been their acquisition which would be inclusive of free agency or trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 On 3/26/2020 at 6:14 PM, ALF said: One of the best right tackles in the league in 2017, from Rotoworld https://www.rotoworld.com/football/nfl/player/1171/daryl-williams And he had a severe knee injury that caused him to miss almost all of 2018. I’m not surprised he had a bit of a down year last season. Hopefully he can get back to his 2017 form. Very nice depth addition at worst. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 6 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Yea while RT was in the category of "positions that could stand to be upgraded" it was not a dire desperate need. If Williams is an upgrade fantastic. Disagree. Nsekhe is a decent starter but can’t stay healthy. Ford is a liability. Not bringing in somebody who can start would be an absolute gamble on either Ford taking a giant leap or Nsekhe staying healthy for 16 weeks without having to regularly be rotated in and out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 6 hours ago, Buddo said: In essence, you will now have a 4 way competition to start ar RT, between Ford, Nsekhe, Waddle and Williams. However it pans out, I believe we will see improved play from the position. It also gives us much more flexibility in respect of the inevitable injuries that happen. We definitely could have done with better depth at the tackle position last year, and with Waddle returning, and the signing of Williams, we now have that. Is waddle even signed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 19 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Is waddle even signed No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 32 minutes ago, Mango said: Disagree. Nsekhe is a decent starter but can’t stay healthy. Ford is a liability. Not bringing in somebody who can start would be an absolute gamble on either Ford taking a giant leap or Nsekhe staying healthy for 16 weeks without having to regularly be rotated in and out. Rookies can get better. But having options is a good thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seasons1992 Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 On 3/26/2020 at 6:32 PM, Binghamton Beast said: Imagine if we get a new, indoor stadium? Mind your tongue..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 6 hours ago, Doc said: I want to see what Bates can do. Seemed like a promising late off-season pickup for them. It wouldn't surprise me if they brought him back for the league minimum. I can't believe there's a lot of interest in his services coming off an injury. Bates to me is a center/guard and I totally agree he should be on the teM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 On 3/26/2020 at 6:25 PM, Chicken Boo said: Profootballtalk called him a massive liability on the right side for Carolina last season. Why would he magically be any good here? We call Profootballtalk a replacement for toilet paper online. Why should we care? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 3 minutes ago, Limeaid said: We call Profootballtalk a replacement for toilet paper online. Why should we care? Cuz complainers have to have some bull#### source for hopes of adding cred to their post how about this Williams as early as 3 years ago was a very good ol he had a major injury he played last year but didn’t look fully recovered the bills.....probably for cheap.......are going to kick the tires to see if he returns to form if the nfl already knew this he would probably be getting a massive contract because good ol is hard to find meanwhile it’s not a huge position of need but always looking to improve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 1 hour ago, John from Riverside said: Bates to me is a center/guard and I totally agree he should be on the teM I believe he was the backup at both OT spots. 1 hour ago, Limeaid said: We call Profootballtalk a replacement for toilet paper online. Why should we care? That would make for a messy computer screen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitro Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 Gave up a lot of sacks last week but that could be due to coming off an injury. Still would like to see them draft OL talent this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 54 minutes ago, Nitro said: Gave up a lot of sacks last week but that could be due to coming off an injury. Still would like to see them draft OL talent this year. I didn't know the Panthers played last week. Thanks for telling us. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrPJax Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 On 3/28/2020 at 5:43 PM, Nitro said: Gave up a lot of sacks last week but that could be due to coming off an injury. Still would like to see them draft OL talent this year. Pretty sure OP meant last year. He is correct as Williams gave up 12 sacks last year which was the worst of all guards. His best year was 2017 where he rated out as a top 5 RT. Had injuries and moved to guard which apparently didn’t turn out well. Perhaps he will compete for backup at RT as I doubt he will beat out Ford unless he returns to his 2017 form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 On 3/28/2020 at 3:43 PM, John from Riverside said: Cuz complainers have to have some bull#### source for hopes of adding cred to their post how about this Williams as early as 3 years ago was a very good ol So apparently he gave up 12 sacks last year. If ever there were a reason to "complain"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ComradeKayAdams Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 starters: Dawkins - Spain - Morse - Ford - Williams backups: Nsekhe, Long, Feliciano, Bates, Boettger, Salako This is a really solid group! They lack elite talent but have outstanding depth. Can the Bills even find a rookie OL starter in the draft outside the top 53 picks? Can any OL draft pick outside the top 85 picks even crack this roster's top 8? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 1 hour ago, RealKayAdams said: starters: Dawkins - Spain - Morse - Ford - Williams backups: Nsekhe, Long, Feliciano, Bates, Boettger, Salako This is a really solid group! They lack elite talent but have outstanding depth. Can the Bills even find a rookie OL starter in the draft outside the top 53 picks? Can any OL draft pick outside the top 85 picks even crack this roster's top 8? I would be surprised if they draft an OL early now. Developmental practice squad type later in day 3 I can see. The battle between Bates and Boettger for the 9th and final roster spot there promises to be a good one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 2 hours ago, RealKayAdams said: starters: Dawkins - Spain - Morse - Ford - Williams backups: Nsekhe, Long, Feliciano, Bates, Boettger, Salako This is a really solid group! They lack elite talent but have outstanding depth. Can the Bills even find a rookie OL starter in the draft outside the top 53 picks? Can any OL draft pick outside the top 85 picks even crack this roster's top 8? I think it’s really premature to declare Williams the starter at RT. I’m sure he’ll be part of the competition though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitro Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 On 3/28/2020 at 6:38 PM, njbuff said: I didn't know the Panthers played last week. Thanks for telling us. ? Sorry but a twelve hour shift in 911 can make a person imperfect. I meant last season. Thanks for pointing in out. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 On 3/31/2020 at 5:12 AM, RealKayAdams said: starters: Dawkins - Spain - Morse - Ford - Williams backups: Nsekhe, Long, Feliciano, Bates, Boettger, Salako This is a really solid group! They lack elite talent but have outstanding depth. Can the Bills even find a rookie OL starter in the draft outside the top 53 picks? Can any OL draft pick outside the top 85 picks even crack this roster's top 8? I don't see any way Feliciano is benched after how he performed last season. I think it's a 3 way competition between Williams, Ford, and Nskhe at RT. All will make the roster and be used. Especially with Williams and Ford's ability to slide inside. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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