Clutchwarfare Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 In addition to being a "hold out" player, this blurb perfectly sums up the topic: "It’s also worth remembering that Clowney isn’t negotiating from the strongest position, either. For all of his talent and potential, the defensive end hasn’t developed into a massive star; health has been an issue—he has only played a 16-game season once, is coming off a core muscle injury, and can’t currently take an in-person physical—and he’s only recorded 32 sacks during his six professional campaigns". by Joe Kozlowski on May 28, 2020 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 1 hour ago, MiltonWaddams said: Kind of odd to refuse Cleveland. Bookends of Clowney and Garrett would be downright terrifying. I think he said at the beginning he wanted a contender 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 1 hour ago, Gugny said: That is a lot of words used to say, "Cleveland has offered the most money and, for reasons unknown, Clowney has not accepted the offer." We all know the reasons. He's been clear since his trade last year that he wants to play for a real contender. He's waiting for a big (enough) offer from a perennial winner. The real question is: Are 2 playoff appearances in 3 years, and a young team full of potential, enough to have him consider the Bills a contender? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 The Cleveland Browns have a great winning culture there. If I was Jadeveon Clowney, I jump on this offer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 33 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: We all know the reasons. He's been clear since his trade last year that he wants to play for a real contender. He's waiting for a big (enough) offer from a perennial winner. The real question is: Are 2 playoff appearances in 3 years, and a young team full of potential, enough to have him consider the Bills a contender? I consider them to be a contender, for sure. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 I don’t see Clowney as elite... He’s a good player but not worth the price point he’s asking for.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 45 minutes ago, Gugny said: I consider them to be a contender, for sure. That's comforting to know for when Beane calls you with the offer. But the question still stands: Would Clowney? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 2 hours ago, Gugny said: That is a lot of words used to say, "Cleveland has offered the most money and, for reasons unknown, Clowney has not accepted the offer." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 Just now, ScottLaw said: Yea. The Browns would have a crazy good roster.... just a matter of if the coach can put it all together. Ron Howard: He can't 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billl Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 4 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Clowney must be a lot smarter than he’s given credit for. 2 hours ago, Clutchwarfare said: Not interested in "hold out" players. Houston traded him for a reason. I guess Nuk sucks too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StHustle Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 I would take Clowney on this defense for sure! Give him $15 million on a 1 year deal. If he truly believes in himself he would know he could come here and SHINE then command what he really wants next year. To me, this would be a perfect storm for him. Top rated defense, great D line already, playoff team who just upgraded their roster. A no brainer. I think adding Clowney would push us over the top. Fresh legs ALL game attacking the passer. We would give nightmares to every O Coordinator we face! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 i mean if you're gonna take a prove it lower money deal might as well do it on a winner. at this point it's smart to wait until the dust has settled a bit with covid and maybe get into camp and teams see where their guys are at. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 3 hours ago, MiltonWaddams said: Fair assessment. It also may depend upon the term of the offer. If Cleveland is offering $16million for one year, it may be worthwhile for him to take the risk. If they are exclusively offering multi-year, he maybe uninterested in the length of term in being stuck on a franchise with such a history of calamity. There aren’t any indications of what the offer on the table is. I can tell you that Cleveland has not offered a 1 year deal at this time. I don’t know how long their offer is for though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 1 hour ago, DrDawkinstein said: That's comforting to know for when Beane calls you with the offer. But the question still stands: Would Clowney? Why are we making this about Clowney all of a sudden? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 3 minutes ago, aristocrat said: i mean if you're gonna take a prove it lower money deal might as well do it on a winner. at this point it's smart to wait until the dust has settled a bit with covid and maybe get into camp and teams see where their guys are at. I think that the COVID lockdown may have been holding up things with Clowney and Griffen. Clowney needs a thorough medical check before anyone writes a check. Griffen needs a visit so teams can be sure that he is in a good place mentally. I think things will resolve for both soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 1 minute ago, ScottLaw said: We’ll see. That schedule they have looks pretty damn easy.... I’m taking the over on the Browns. Are the Browns your new Jets for 2020? We all know how much you nailed that one. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 14 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: We’ll see. That schedule they have looks pretty damn easy.... I’m taking the over on the Browns. I am not defending or bashing the Browns, but.............. to say the words "Browns" and "Easy Schedule" in the same sentence is just wrong when they have haven't proven themselves whatsoever. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 1 minute ago, ScottLaw said: Either had the Bills prior to last season and we were saying the same thing about their schedule. The Bills have been a perennial 6-8 win team, mired in mediocrity. The Browns went 0-32 and celebrated an 8-8 year. Cmon man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Either had the Bills prior to last season and we were saying the same thing about their schedule. All that came out of your mouth was "they haven't proven anything" and "they need a #1 WR." You may have still been pining for Mike Gillislie also, and you wanted to tell anyone who would listen that the Jets were going to be really good. Those of us who saw what McD and Beane were building accurately predicted the resulting success -- as well as the Jets' failure behind their farce of a HC. Edited May 28, 2020 by eball 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clutchwarfare Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 1 hour ago, Billl said: Clowney must be a lot smarter than he’s given credit for. I guess Nuk sucks too. Never said "sucks", just not interested. There is and always be endless debate on whether or not a player is selfish for holding out on his team/teammates. I am on the side of selfish but I respect the opinion of those who support their actions. Good example was Le'Veon Bell. I dont think he sucks, I just think he has zero regard for his teammates and I'm not interested in rooting for him on my team. The Jests can have him and Clowney and CJ2K all they want, keep em out of the Bills Locker Room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 40 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: What does this mean? I dont know, man. I just work with what you give me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmart128 Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 1 year prove it deal? Dude has had 6 years to prove it and has yet to show us his elite potential. Just a waste of potential... why would anyone pay 20 million for that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 How would anyone feel bringing him in on a 12 mill one year deal and cutting Murphy in the process? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 2 hours ago, Kmart128 said: 1 year prove it deal? Dude has had 6 years to prove it and has yet to show us his elite potential. Just a waste of potential... why would anyone pay 20 million for that. He’s shown quite a bit. he’s proving if he’s very very good or elite. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 1 minute ago, ScottLaw said: This has been proposed and supported by several people, just don't think it's how this regime rolls. They seem like a loyal crew who wouldn't just drop Murphy for a higher paid(although much better) player. As the Clowney saga gets weirder, this scenario wouldn’t surprise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 2 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Yea I'd love it, just cant see it happening. It doesn't seem like McD and Beane are going to change the defensive line around beyond what has already been done. Doubt we see Clowney or Everson Griffen or anyone else come in. It's mind boggling why they believe in Trent Murphy as much as they do, as well as Star. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 6 minutes ago, njbuff said: How would anyone feel bringing him in on a 12 mill one year deal and cutting Murphy in the process? at the start of the offseason- yes. I’ve been a Clowney advocate for awhile. at this point, it’s a bit meh. I don’t think he takes a 1 for 12. If he did the 4m-5m in extra cap space (dead plus salary) would justify the upgrade but if getting into the high teens I’m less enthusiastic about a DE with this roster make up. maybe one of the corners out there instead. Call me insane but if cam can humble himself for 8 months, it would make me feel better with taking the bubble wrap off josh and seeing what he can do with his legs as a consistent threat. I’d hope they would have a read on whether it’s remotely possible given their history with him so not advocating as much as noting for similar price it’s insurance and also gives some flex. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 2 minutes ago, Happy said: It doesn't seem like McD and Beane are going to change the defensive line around beyond what has already been done. Doubt we see Clowney or Everson Griffen or anyone else come in. It's mind boggling why they believe in Trent Murphy as much as they do, as well as Star. I think Star snaps are going to go way down and Murphy is maddeningly inconsistent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 1 hour ago, njbuff said: I think Star snaps are going to go way down and Murphy is maddeningly inconsistent. I hope so regarding Star, though I wonder. At the 1-tech, I believe it is Star and Harry; we know what we have in Star but not so much with Harry as he rotated in during his rookie season and was injured all of last season. I'm fairly certain Jefferson will be the 3-tech along with the other DT that was acquired from Carolina. Inconsistency is a problem with Murphy. He will rack up a bunch of stats during a favorable matchup one week, then the next week or two he will disappear from being easily handled by the RT. Murphy is the modern day Chris Kelsay -- try hard, high motor, lunch pail guy who you can't rely on to make plays. Sounds like they're going to bring AJ in as he shows the ability to get more playing time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 And Darryl Johnson is stil in the picture at DE, along with Mike Love. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 We should be cutting Trent and signing Clowney imo. he’s not taking 12 mill for one year imo, but He should be our priority. Doesn’t look like he is though 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 44 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: If Josh flops this season you mean? I said as much a week ago. If Josh doesn’t improve or even regresses I bet they sign Cam in the offseason. Makes too much sense. I think Josh Allen is way more cemented then you do (obviously) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
y2zipper Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 3 hours ago, Happy said: I hope so regarding Star, though I wonder. At the 1-tech, I believe it is Star and Harry; we know what we have in Star but not so much with Harry as he rotated in during his rookie season and was injured all of last season. I'm fairly certain Jefferson will be the 3-tech along with the other DT that was acquired from Carolina. Inconsistency is a problem with Murphy. He will rack up a bunch of stats during a favorable matchup one week, then the next week or two he will disappear from being easily handled by the RT. Murphy is the modern day Chris Kelsay -- try hard, high motor, lunch pail guy who you can't rely on to make plays. Sounds like they're going to bring AJ in as he shows the ability to get more playing time. Yeah the hope here is that AJ and Phillips beat out Star and Murphy for the majority of snaps with Oliver and Hughes on the line. With Clowney I'm not sure he's good enough where I'd want to bring him in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 6 hours ago, John from Riverside said: I think Josh Allen is way more cemented then you do (obviously) Bad year and hes out. This is a huge year for him. I feel good about his chances though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM57 Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 10 hours ago, Happy said: I hope so regarding Star, though I wonder. At the 1-tech, I believe it is Star and Harry; we know what we have in Star but not so much with Harry as he rotated in during his rookie season and was injured all of last season. It depends how Phillips returns from the ACL tear, but he was *thisclose* to permanently taking over the majority of the snaps from Star when he got hurt. He was playing really well. Week 1: Star 30 snaps, Phillips 23 Week 2: Phillips and Star 28 snaps each Week 3: Phillips 26, Star 21 If he can get back to that form sooner rather than later, that's good. The Bills certainly positioned themselves to move on from Star sooner than originally thought when they restructured his deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 16 hours ago, ScottLaw said: Friendly bet they win at least 9 games? But then does that mean we'd have to be friends? ? Well I dont really care about the Browns that much, or even know their schedule, but it's been a boring 2020, so why not. What do you have in mind? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 12 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: But then does that mean we'd have to be friends? ? Well I dont really care about the Browns that much, or even know their schedule, but it's been a boring 2020, so why not. What do you have in mind? Just FYI....he said the same thing to me when Tyrod was with the Browns. ScottLaw told me that Tyrod was going to make me look like a fool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 52 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: Just FYI....he said the same thing to me when Tyrod was with the Browns. ScottLaw told me that Tyrod was going to make me look like a fool. Little did he know, you dont need Tyrod to help with that! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 6 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: Little did he know, you dont need Tyrod to help with that! Let me tell you a story. When I was 11 years old, somehow both myself and parents got Halloween's date wrong. We got to dress up for Halloween day....this year I was a week early. So the entire day, I was dressed up in a Jim Kelly Bills uniform with a helmet while everyone else was dressed normally. I was living in Minnesota. I kinda got made fun of. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 2 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: Let me tell you a story. When I was 11 years old, somehow both myself and parents got Halloween's date wrong. We got to dress up for Halloween day....this year I was a week early. So the entire day, I was dressed up in a Jim Kelly Bills uniform with a helmet while everyone else was dressed normally. I was living in Minnesota. I kinda got made fun of. It's this type of emotional scarring that pushes kids into preferring Ranch with their wings. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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