Looks like the NFL is about to have the New CBA.

[hjnick]

What is the minimum rookie salary now?

 

"$100K increase in 2020 for Rookie Minimums, another $50K increase in 2021 and then $45K

increase each year after"

 

How is this going to effect the bottom of your roster?

 

 

"Performance Based Pay increased to $8.5M in 2020 and $10M in 2021, with annual increases

thereafter"

 

Is this so you can make contacts performance based?  I'm assuming performance bonuses are a part of their cap number?

 

"Raises for Practice Squad Players to $10.5K per week; total number of 12 players increasing to 14

players, with two unlimited Accrued Seasons players"

 

2 unlimited spots. That's pretty cool.

 

 

 

[ALF]

With 48 active for games can have more dedicated ST players .  

[Reed83HOF]

4 hours ago, GG said:

 

I haven't seen that in any of the stories.  This is one of the few mentions in PFT  I thought the players would take a tougher stance.

 

 

like transporting 157 pounds of it?

[MJS]

41 minutes ago, ALF said:

With 48 active for games can have more dedicated ST players .  

Many fans would rather have a 6th or 7th WR active who rides the bench and does nothing, haha.

[Nanker]

7 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

AFC

1 seed Bye - Best Record 

2 vs 7

3 vs 6

4 vs 5

 

not to difficult. Then a reseed that has

 

1 vs 4

2 vs 3 

I was thinking that the top two three seeds would get a bye. It wasn't making sense. 

 

Thanks. That does work - unlike my brain before a second cup of coffee. 

[Rochesterfan]

5 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

doesn’t say that ANYWHERE in the fact sheet. Does it?  So until I see the CBA that says otherwise I keep my point that a Positive test will not result in a suspension. 

so how many PS players except a “Futures” contract over going to get paid in the Spring?

 

Additionally once XFL can show the pathway to the NFL I am willing to bet you start seeing College Recruits defect to the Paid league as well. 

 

My guess is based on everyone of the current Bills PS players accepting a futures contract - that the majority would stay in the NFL rather than move to a spring league.  The guys in the XFL are mostly washouts and guys that have little shot at getting back into the NFL.  The PS players are going to stick to the NFL because that is their shot.

 

As to college players skipping college and going to the XFL - I think that is just crazy talk.  Will 1 or 2 guys that do not have the grades maybe take a shot - could be, but the majority will not for the exact reason we have going on in Indy right now - combine and the draft.  Playing in the XFL will mean those guys will not be going to the combine and will not be getting the meetings with the teams.  If the NFL leaveS the 3 years from HS rule in place - these guys would need to play in the XFL for for 2 years and take a year off getting ready (not a great plan) or risk playing a 3 rd year  and playing right up until the draft - mid April based on this year’s calendar- I don’t think that is a risk most players will take.  

[Sundancer]

5 hours ago, GG said:

 

That's not what the PFT article says, at all.

 

It would be so much simpler to say,  Oops I misread one bullet point, and move on.

 

Everyone understands the policies. Can you guys measure your privates in private?

[MAJBobby]

21 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

My guess is based on everyone of the current Bills PS players accepting a futures contract - that the majority would stay in the NFL rather than move to a spring league.  The guys in the XFL are mostly washouts and guys that have little shot at getting back into the NFL.  The PS players are going to stick to the NFL because that is their shot.

 

As to college players skipping college and going to the XFL - I think that is just crazy talk.  Will 1 or 2 guys that do not have the grades maybe take a shot - could be, but the majority will not for the exact reason we have going on in Indy right now - combine and the draft.  Playing in the XFL will mean those guys will not be going to the combine and will not be getting the meetings with the teams.  If the NFL leaveS the 3 years from HS rule in place - these guys would need to play in the XFL for for 2 years and take a year off getting ready (not a great plan) or risk playing a 3 rd year  and playing right up until the draft - mid April based on this year’s calendar- I don’t think that is a risk most players will take.  

NCAA sees the loss to XFL as a risk. And why they recently dropped the sit out a year for a transfer and grant immediate eligibility 

[Rochesterfan]

50 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

NCAA sees the loss to XFL as a risk. And why they recently dropped the sit out a year for a transfer and grant immediate eligibility 

 

And why after California law changes - players will be paid.

 

The XFL pay scale is lower than the PS payouts - so I think most players will sign their future contracts and the colleges are allowing transfers and shortly - pay - the pool of higher end XFL talent begins to further melt away.

 

The other league realized without getting an agreement with the NFL/NFLPA to use these guys the talent was never going to flourish.  Basically the XFL is arena league football.  Different rules - low end talent - it will have a few guys that make it back to the NFL - just like Arena and AAFL did, but if they can’t compete to even get the majority of PS players and that number goes up.  They are in trouble long term.

[MAJBobby]

1 minute ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

And why after California law changes - players will be paid.

 

The XFL pay scale is lower than the PS payouts - so I think most players will sign their future contracts and the colleges are allowing transfers and shortly - pay - the pool of higher end XFL talent begins to further melt away.

 

The other league realized without getting an agreement with the NFL/NFLPA to use these guys the talent was never going to flourish.  Basically the XFL is arena league football.  Different rules - low end talent - it will have a few guys that make it back to the NFL - just like Arena and AAFL did, but if they can’t compete to even get the majority of PS players and that number goes up.  They are in trouble long term.

Can’t say they are in trouble with stables attendance and ratings and wait and see how many get on the 90 man camp Roster 

[Punching Bag]

9 hours ago, ALF said:

I wonder if they stay with 4 preseason games and allow 53 active for games.

 

All players will not be on active roster; they may expand roster and practice squad size but not all will be active.  Inactive roster was created so young players injured and will recover in a few weeks were not immediately cut with injury settlement so roster space could be filled.

[Punching Bag]

8 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

See my links I added. Remember PFT is Always against Owners will “tailor” their posts that way

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/tomangell/2020/02/20/nfl-would-end-marijuana-suspensions-in-deal-circulated-by-players-union/

 

Sounds like a lot of posters should apply for work there.  I know they have very few writing or verification standards.

7 hours ago, hemma said:

Very good news.  

I was expecting months of feigned outrage, histrionics and bed wetting.

 

 

Is bed wetting covered in new contract?  If not they should go on strike!

[Punching Bag]

58 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said:

And why after California law changes - players will be paid.

 

 

CA law only affects endorsements, likenesses, etc. not being paid for games/

[Jauronimo]

11 hours ago, row_33 said:

An extra game is more damaging than a pro rata calculation

 

How damaging is a pro rata calculation in your experience?

11 hours ago, Gugny said:

This seems like a very short-sighted act by the players.  I don't see anything in the new CBA about post-career healthcare.  I see a significant drop in padded practices, more days off and more money due to the 17th game. 

 

NFL owners "negotiating" with players is like Kramer competing in a karate match against a 9-year-old.

Is Goodell going to lose his composure and start screaming the N-word at all the players??  I don't think I get this reference.

[Rochesterfan]

1 hour ago, Limeaid said:

 

CA law only affects endorsements, likenesses, etc. not being paid for games/

 Yes, but the NCAA is working to balance that out to prevent either an unfair CA advantage with athletes getting paid or having to block all students in CA from competition as they have been paid.  
 

 

[Rochesterfan]

2 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

Can’t say they are in trouble with stables attendance and ratings and wait and see how many get on the 90 man camp Roster 

 

Actually ratings have dropped each week just like the AAFL - attendance is variable because some teams like ST. Louis just had a home opener that got big attendance - some games in other markets attendance was down.

 

How many players exactly do you think are making the 90 man camp roster from this league?  You are talking like you expect a bunch - just not sure why?

 

The AAFL folded early and actually made great timing as FA was not completed and it was still a while before the draft and they got a small number with better talent.  The timing on the XFL season is really bad.  The season completes well after the FA period has been done and right before the draft.  They will most likely get a few of their top end players - Cam Phillips, maybe a QB or two picked up from teams that missed out on a position in the draft, but most teams will be down to filling in the last few roster spots.  These guys will be competing against undrafted FAs to fill rosters.

 

If the top couple of players from each team are picked up - you are talking about 16 players maybe about where the AAFL was - not exactly a big marketing push - especially as many of them will be cut as part of the roster cut downs.  
 

I really don’t think that will make this a viable league long term and it will not drive players from PS or the NCAA to the league.  At least that is my opinion as of now.  I just do not see this ending well for the XFL and part of that is the new CBA and the increase in players and money.

[RocCityRoller]

Per 1280 WHTK (Rochester Sports Radio) it sounds like Aaron Rodgers, and Richard Sherman were two of the team designated players that turned down the contract.

 

From what I understand, Aaron Rodgers liked aspects of the CBA, but the player reps for the 32 teams did not have access to the whole contract, and while there were things he liked, when polling his teammates he had to vote no.

 

Richard Sherman backed him up shortly after on Twitter.

 

Agree or disagree with them, I do think Rogers and Sherman are pretty bright guys. It's been interesting to follow.

 

 

 

[GunnerBill]

When do we find out it if passed? And how soon after it passing can Brandon Beane get Tre White's agent on the phone? 

[Mr. WEO]

15 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

NCAA sees the loss to XFL as a risk. And why they recently dropped the sit out a year for a transfer and grant immediate eligibility 

 

14 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

Can’t say they are in trouble with stables attendance and ratings and wait and see how many get on the 90 man camp Roster 

 

 

There's no chance that the League is considering anything going on in the XFL when they negotiated this CBA. 

 

Ratings dropping already.  When March Madness starts it will be all over.

[dje85]

22 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

T

 

there will be No Suspensions for Weed 

Clear as day in the second bullet talking about it. 
 

https://nflpaweb.blob.core.windows.net/media/Default/PDFs/CBA Proposal Fact Sheet Final.pdf

 

How about suspensions for trafficking it across the boarder from Mexico? Asking for Greg Robinson.. 

[LeviF]

It's most likely going to pass.  It shouldn't be lost on anyone that most of the squawking about it is coming from older, more famous, players who, for the most part, have made boatloads of money already and can coast to retirement.  Their crowing about "health and wellness" falls pretty flat when you consider that the best medicine is, and always has been, money.

 

The EC didn't recommend it, player reps barely passed it, but I'm willing to bet the total will end up being somewhere around 60% yes votes from the general membership. 

[Punching Bag]

9 hours ago, LeviF91 said:

It's most likely going to pass.  It shouldn't be lost on anyone that most of the squawking about it is coming from older, more famous, players who, for the most part, have made boatloads of money already and can coast to retirement.  Their crowing about "health and wellness" falls pretty flat when you consider that the best medicine is, and always has been, money.

 

The EC didn't recommend it, player reps barely passed it, but I'm willing to bet the total will end up being somewhere around 60% yes votes from the general membership. 

 

Since NFLPA has proved it is all about the money shouldn't players get number of votes equivalent to the amount they earn each year?

 

Since players are being released before vote I wonder if such players gets votes until they retire officially. 

 

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

2 hours ago, Limeaid said:

 

Since NFLPA has proved it is all about the money shouldn't players get number of votes equivalent to the amount they earn each year?

 

Since players are being released before vote I wonder if such players gets votes until they retire officially. 

 

 

Guess they follow the approach of the senate more than the house.

[Virgil]

12 hours ago, LeviF91 said:

It's most likely going to pass.  It shouldn't be lost on anyone that most of the squawking about it is coming from older, more famous, players who, for the most part, have made boatloads of money already and can coast to retirement.  Their crowing about "health and wellness" falls pretty flat when you consider that the best medicine is, and always has been, money.

 

The EC didn't recommend it, player reps barely passed it, but I'm willing to bet the total will end up being somewhere around 60% yes votes from the general membership. 

Agreed.  From what I can read, a lot of the vets want less practices, which they are already getting in the new agreement.  However, they can get fined more for missing practices.  
 

So to me, on this point, they want to be able to keep taking training camp off and are saying it’s a health thing.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

On 2/26/2020 at 3:34 PM, Rochesterfan said:

 

My guess is based on everyone of the current Bills PS players accepting a futures contract - that the majority would stay in the NFL rather than move to a spring league.  The guys in the XFL are mostly washouts and guys that have little shot at getting back into the NFL.  The PS players are going to stick to the NFL because that is their shot.

 

As to college players skipping college and going to the XFL - I think that is just crazy talk.  Will 1 or 2 guys that do not have the grades maybe take a shot - could be, but the majority will not for the exact reason we have going on in Indy right now - combine and the draft.  Playing in the XFL will mean those guys will not be going to the combine and will not be getting the meetings with the teams.  If the NFL leaveS the 3 years from HS rule in place - these guys would need to play in the XFL for for 2 years and take a year off getting ready (not a great plan) or risk playing a 3 rd year  and playing right up until the draft - mid April based on this year’s calendar- I don’t think that is a risk most players will take.  

 

I think the XFL will prove an alternative for some young players with different circumstances, but i agree it will mostly consist of washouts.  Which is fine - there will be some cool redemption stories to come out of it, and honestly the football is fine.  

On 2/26/2020 at 7:25 AM, machine gun kelly said:

The only thing surprising from what Garafolo reported was a 9 home game one year and 8 games the second year.  It was widely reported the 17th game was going to be a neutral site.  I assume this might not be a detail worked out yet, and will change.  This was going to happen for those not happy with this new deal.

 

I know several don’t like the extra game or extra wildcard team, but they make a larger % of the pie up to 48.5% and the tv revenue goes up quite a bit.  Given they will negotiate streaming, different network options and from ive read DTV won’t be exclusive anymore.

 

I believe they were floating AFC home 1 year, and NFC home the next and having the 17th game be inter-conference based on the division finish the previous year.  

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, dneveu said:

 

I think the XFL will prove an alternative for some young players with different circumstances, but i agree it will mostly consist of washouts.  Which is fine - there will be some cool redemption stories to come out of it, and honestly the football is fine.  

 

I believe they were floating AFC home 1 year, and NFC home the next and having the 17th game be inter-conference based on the division finish the previous year.  

 

The football is suspect.  Tuning in to see what looked like the best team with the best player in the league (Washington) get totally destroyed by a previously winless/awful team pretty much sealed it for me.

 

Ratings are falling as the novelty wears off and people wonder why they are watching .

 

15 hours ago, Limeaid said:

 

Since NFLPA has proved it is all about the money shouldn't players get number of votes equivalent to the amount they earn each year?

 

Since players are being released before vote I wonder if such players gets votes until they retire officially. 

 

 

Any player who was a dues paying NFLPA member last season may vote.

[row_33]

Hope they can avoid missing camp or games, the shield doesn’t need a stoppage heading into this year

[GG]

New CBA language was finalized yesterday, and is now in front of the players for the official vote.  

 

Quote

 

The NFL Players Association sent out official ballots to players Thursday morning on the league's proposed collective bargaining agreement.

The NFLPA said in a statement Thursday that the voting will remain open until next Thursday, March 12, at 11:59 p.m. ET.

The language of the proposed CBA was finalized late Wednesday night, a league source told ESPN's Jeff Darlington.

 

While players will be able to cast a vote throughout the seven-day window, they currently plan to use the full allotted time before formalizing the results, meaning ratification is unlikely until later next week, an NFLPA source told Darlington.

 

If a majority of the voting players approve, the deal will go into effect immediately, as the owners already have approved it. NFLPA chief DeMaurice Smith expressed confidence last week that the players would vote it through

 

 

[Mr. WEO]

6 minutes ago, GG said:

New CBA language was finalized yesterday, and is now in front of the players for the official vote.  

 

 

 

This is the best CBA they have ever been offered.  They should get it done.

[MJS]

Can't think of a CBA ever going more smoothly...

[GG]

On 3/5/2020 at 2:35 PM, MJS said:

Can't think of a CBA ever going more smoothly...

 

If you listen to Aaron Rodgers, his opinion is that players don't care about anything but the higher paychecks that they will get.  Very likely to pass.

 

Quote

"That's probably the most disheartening thing," Rodgers said on the show. "This is a society we live in now that's so distracted by the swiping world of apps and social media. I don't know. Do guys really care about this stuff? Unfortunately, or fortunately -- however you look at it -- for the people wanting to push this deal through so badly, that's kind of a win because nobody's critically looking at this or thinking about it. They're just like, 'Oh, what's my salary going to be? Oh, OK, cool.' Not like, 'Are we taking care of former players? What kind of additional player risks are we taking on? What are we getting in return for that?'

 

[frostbitmic]

Have they taken out the part where Bob Kraft gets in the Super Bowl 3 out of every 4 years ?

[Punching Bag]

1 hour ago, frostbitmic said:

Have they taken out the part where Bob Kraft gets in the Super Bowl 3 out of every 4 years ?

 

Yes but he gets comp picks anytime he is not in it.  You better believe he is rubbing his hands wait for pick for Br*dy.

[MJS]

1 hour ago, GG said:

 

If you listen to Aaron Rodgers, his opinion is that players don't care about anything but the higher paychecks that they will get.  Very likely to pass.

 

Easy for him to say with the mega millions he makes.

[GG]

1 hour ago, MJS said:

Easy for him to say with the mega millions he makes.

That's a fair point, but he is also more than set for life.  His advice though is better for the long term welfare of the middling players who won't see more than 5 seasons.  But they don't care beyond this year's paycheck. 

[Mr. WEO]

14 hours ago, GG said:

That's a fair point, but he is also more than set for life.  His advice though is better for the long term welfare of the middling players who won't see more than 5 seasons.  But they don't care beyond this year's paycheck. 

 

Can he be anymore condescending toward the majority of his teammates who don't make a fraction of what he makes?  Wow, the balls on this guy.

 

First he claims that he was against the CBA because of "conversations I have had with the men in 'my' locker room".  Now he says these same men aren't even returning his messages.

 

Now he is saying, essentially,  that all of these guys are too dumb to understand what's really in the CBA.  And, despite the fact that a 17th game has been on the bargaining table for many, many months, yet this doofus now is claiming: "A lot of us are wondering how the hell that even got into the conversation," he said, "because nobody wanted it."

 

This is the best deal ever presented to the players regarding current pay and future benefits.  As an added and perhaps unexpected bonus, the owners have created a previously unheard of "class warfare" between the few highest paid players and everyone else in the course of CBA ratification.  Only 15% make over 5 million a year this year.  Half the players make less than 900K.

 

 

[beerme1]

On 3/7/2020 at 10:48 AM, Mr. WEO said:

And, despite the fact that a 17th game has been on the bargaining table for many, many months, yet this doofus now is claiming: "A lot of us are wondering how the hell that even got into the conversation," he said, "because nobody wanted it."

 

 

Seems to me like that comment is a swipe at DeMaurice.

[Mr. WEO]

12 minutes ago, beerme1 said:

 

Seems to me like that comment is a swipe at DeMaurice.

 

It shouldn't be.  Anyone who had access to the internet has known the owners have wanted to get 18 games for years, so they put 17 games on the table 9 months ago in negotiations with the NFL Exec Council.

 

For this numbnuts to stroll in for the "Player Rep" vote and be shocked, SHOCKED, that 17 games was on the ballot shows how out of touch he is and how poorly his teammates chose their player rep.

 

DEMaurice has to read that quote and shake his head in sadness....

Edited March 8, 2020 by Mr. WEO

[loyal2dagame]

This is a disconnect with reality for A-aron. It seems he thinks he's still the face of the NFL and has untouchable influence and that ship has sailed. If it's to the point that men in "his" locker room aren't returning his calls/texts now,  that should tell him something. 

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

Was reading how supposedly some owners are hoping the CBA is voted down as they want to add an 18th game  and not give up as much money. 

 

I'm wondering if this is just a ploy by the owners to try and scare the players into approving as if we reject this the next offer won't be as good.

 

Personally I'd support the owners if they were to do that.  The players voted for who's on the executive council and who is the union president, along with going along with hiring of D Smith as the head of the union.  They negotiated this deal with the owners in good faith feeling they are supporting the players.  For the players to reject this now would be somewhat bad faith negotiating  IMO.  Wouldn't shock me to see Smith and the president to resign if that were to happen.  Let Aaron Rodgers and Sherman lead this thing next time around.