QB Carrousel for the Fins, Is Tag a Fitz in Miami ? Is there a Bad Moon Risen in Rosen's Future ?

[T master]

Okay it's the off season, I'm bored, there's not a ton of new stuff to talk about but what could happen in the draft & where some mocks have players going especially at the top of the draft, there is a ton of speculation where a lot of the QB's not only in FA but in the draft will go this year & the Fins QB situation has been troublesome to say the least since before last season .

 

The guy they let go took his team to the play offs, the guy they brought in to be a possible future fit at QB for them sat the bench mostly & Fitz the consummate all teams (8 to be exact) veteran comes in to save face for the Fins .

 

What Fitz did for the Fins last season was basically keep them from having the #1 over all pick in this years draft I'm not sure if that was a good thing or not but it sure was fun watching him get out there & give it his all once more for the game he loves to play ! Got to give it to him the guy is a gamer & you know he'll give his all for the team he plays for when ever he's on the field ! 

 

Now seeing as the Fins have the 5th over all pick in the draft this year there should be a couple of QB's that they just can't afford to pass on & with Fitz coming back it could give them the choice to sit a new rookie QB for the season, if their pick is Tag he could benefit by sitting not only as far as learning the scheme but health wise too knowing that he is coming off that what was once seen as a career ending type injury .

 

Bo Knows hip injuries !! ?

 

Tagovailoa is projected to them in some early mocks at 5 but Herbert could be there too, if so either could be considered a better future for the team than Rosen & then what happens ? Did Rosen show enough of anything to anyone in Miami to consider keeping him around, if not what if anything would he be worth to another team .

 

Could the Bills pick him up if they decide not to keep Barkley ? --------------- NAH !! 

 

We all know the Rosen saga since he's been in the league is he worth a 4th round pick, could he be used in a trade to upgrade another position for the Fins & be gone to his 3rd team or could they just keep him as a practice squad arm to give them a third guy in camp for some competition ?

 

 So many unanswered questions when it comes to this guy, another is has he had a fair shake, we all know to well what changing schemes and coaches can do to a young QB in the league the Bills have been in QB hell for years until they chose Josh ?

 

 There are also a lot of QB's that will be hitting the FA market this year that have a ton more experience so will this be Rosen's last stand ? Flame away Bills fans .

[Do The Reich Thing]

What?

[Hapless Bills Fan]

13 minutes ago, Do The Reich Thing said:

What?

 

I speak some runon, let me help

 

He said he thinks the Fins are gonna keep Fitz and draft Tua or Herbert, so he's asking what will happen to Rosen?

 

Could he be a backup in B'lo (nah)?  They could trade him for a pick, if a team feels he hasn't had a fair shake.  But, there are a lot of FA QB's this year, so perhaps Rosen won't have much value.  Is he even worth a 4th?

 

Or they could keep him as a practice-squad arm.

[Mr. WEO]

"Is tag a Fitz"?

 

T Master's threads are often like a running car that somehow slips into gear with no one in it, and then starts heading.....somewhere.

[ColoradoBills]

[Buffalo86]

I think the Dolphins were trying to tank without being too obvious.  Benching Rosen for Fitzpatrick seemed like a safe short-term plan, but then Fitz started playing well.  At that point, having traded away most of their good players & turned Kalen Ballage into their 3-down back (?!?), the coaches may have feared a locker room revolt had they gone back to Rosen.  Players generally don't buy into tanking, and if they did, you wouldn't want them on your team.  Still, the fact that the 'phins pulled the plug on Rosen so quickly doesn't bode well for his future, at least in Miami's opinion. They'd either seen enough to know there wasn't a future there & didn't want his trade value further diminished by allowing the NFL to see more of him, or the Dolphins don't know what they're doing.  

 

Rosen has every excuse in the book not to have found success to this point, as it's hard to think of another 1st round QB whose first 2 years were played under such adverse circumstances.  I won't be shocked if someone takes that into heavy consideration & is willing to take another shot on him.  

 

 

 

[Gray Beard]

1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said:

"Is tag a Fitz"?

 

T Master's threads are often like a running car that somehow slips into gear with no one in it, and then starts heading.....somewhere.

 

[BuffAlone]

you literally lost me with okay......and a long winded something. Squish ALL the fish

[Lurker]

7 minutes ago, BuffAlone said:

you literally lost me with okay...

 

Wow!   I could only make it as far as the "o"...

[BringBackFergy]

Anyone have a kitchen sink handy?

[JinxedBill]

[Buffalo Boy]

1 hour ago, Buffalo86 said:

Rosen has every excuse in the book not to have found success to this point, as it's hard to think of another 1st round QB whose first 2 years were played under such adverse circumstances.  I won't be shocked if someone takes that into heavy consideration & is willing to take another shot on him.

    The thing about the “ Wrong Josh” is he seems like a weeney....yet I still feel bad for the kid.

    He doesn’t seems like Clausen, it seems like he’s got to At Least be back up material. I agree that he will get at least one more shot but if he ends up in another crappy situation I guess it must be karma.

[Florida Bills Fanatic]

1 hour ago, Buffalo86 said:

I think the Dolphins were trying to tank without being too obvious.  Benching Rosen for Fitzpatrick seemed like a safe short-term plan, but then Fitz started playing well.  At that point, having traded away most of their good players & turned Kalen Ballage into their 3-down back (?!?), the coaches may have feared a locker room revolt had they gone back to Rosen.  Players generally don't buy into tanking, and if they did, you wouldn't want them on your team.  Still, the fact that the 'phins pulled the plug on Rosen so quickly doesn't bode well for his future, at least in Miami's opinion. They'd either seen enough to know there wasn't a future there & didn't want his trade value further diminished by allowing the NFL to see more of him, or the Dolphins don't know what they're doing.  

 

Rosen has every excuse in the book not to have found success to this point, as it's hard to think of another 1st round QB whose first 2 years were played under such adverse circumstances.  I won't be shocked if someone takes that into heavy consideration & is willing to take another shot on him.  

 

 

 

Good post.  Rosen's best outcome is that some team misses out on the QB game of musical chairs and he becomes the consolation prize for a desperate team.  He might also get a chance if a team loses a QB in preseason.  As unlikely as any of this may be, such is the life of Josh Rosen.  Personally, I wasn't high on him coming out of college and I'm not shocked by any of this.

[BringBackFergy]

24 minutes ago, Buffalo Boy said:

    The thing about the “ Wrong Josh” is he seems like a weeney....yet I still feel bad for the kid.

    He doesn’t seems like Clausen, it seems like he’s got to At Least be back up material. I agree that he will get at least one more shot but if he ends up in another crappy situation I guess it must be karma.

Crappy situations are what you make of them. Fitz (a 38 yr old career backup) seemed to do ok with that Dolphins team. Why do you assume the Fins were a “crappy situation”? Have you been reading too many “Right Josh” excuse threads?

[Beck Water]

55 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said:

Crappy situations are what you make of them. Fitz (a 38 yr old career backup) seemed to do ok with that Dolphins team. Why do you assume the Fins were a “crappy situation”? Have you been reading too many “Right Josh” excuse threads?

 

Fitz is what, a 14 year vet?  I don’t think he looked so good on a bad team as a rookie 14 years ago.  He’s learned a few things.

 

It probably is a valid point that Rosen doesn’t seem to have that capability to inspire and elevate the players around him, which Fitz has had since his first start.

[Ennjay]

3 hours ago, Buffalo86 said:

Rosen has every excuse in the book not to have found success to this point, as it's hard to think of another 1st round QB whose first 2 years were played under such adverse circumstances.  

 

Putting aside I don't give a rat's crap about Miami's QB situation so long as it stays bad:

 

Joey Harrington comes to mind.  Not Jimmy Clausen because a lot (meaning a lot) of people thought he was a marginal talent to begin with and the Carolina situation wasn't as bad as AZ and Miami.  (Cue the Notre Dame defenders; ND hasn't produced a decent NFL QB since ... Steve Beuerlein?)

Edited February 20, 2020 by Ennjay

[machine gun kelly]

6 hours ago, Gray Beard said:

 

GB, now that’s funny.  I’m laughing not at the obvious reference, but we adopted my third from China 15 years ago.  This is exactly what it’s like over there.  We were stuck in this city, Naning, and was described to us this is common over there so you brought back a couple of memories.

 

T Master, not trying to pile on, but I can’t even understand what you were trying to say.   I guess some kind of speculation on the Fish.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

All I know is that when St. Peter is asking me what convinced me there is indeed a God, I will be answering “Josh Rosen’s career after lipping off at the draft”.  Or, wait, maybe a healthy dose of ‘karma’ thrown in...?

[Doc Brown]

The best thing that can happen to Rosen is for the Packers to give up a 7th round pick or something for him.  Rodgers and him seemed close before the draft so Rodgers may not actually be a dick and help him develop until he retires.  It's a low risk potential high reward move for the Packers.

[Putin]

9 hours ago, T master said:

Okay it's the off season, I'm bored, there's not a ton of new stuff to talk about but what could happen in the draft & where some mocks have players going especially at the top of the draft, there is a ton of speculation where a lot of the QB's not only in FA but in the draft will go this year & the Fins QB situation has been troublesome to say the least since before last season .

 

The guy they let go took his team to the play offs, the guy they brought in to be a possible future fit at QB for them sat the bench mostly & Fitz the consummate all teams (8 to be exact) veteran comes in to save face for the Fins .

 

What Fitz did for the Fins last season was basically keep them from having the #1 over all pick in this years draft I'm not sure if that was a good thing or not but it sure was fun watching him get out there & give it his all once more for the game he loves to play ! Got to give it to him the guy is a gamer & you know he'll give his all for the team he plays for when ever he's on the field ! 

 

Now seeing as the Fins have the 5th over all pick in the draft this year there should be a couple of QB's that they just can't afford to pass on & with Fitz coming back it could give them the choice to sit a new rookie QB for the season, if their pick is Tag he could benefit by sitting not only as far as learning the scheme but health wise too knowing that he is coming off that what was once seen as a career ending type injury .

 

Bo Knows hip injuries !! ?

 

Tagovailoa is projected to them in some early mocks at 5 but Herbert could be there too, if so either could be considered a better future for the team than Rosen & then what happens ? Did Rosen show enough of anything to anyone in Miami to consider keeping him around, if not what if anything would he be worth to another team .

 

Could the Bills pick him up if they decide not to keep Barkley ? --------------- NAH !! 

 

We all know the Rosen saga since he's been in the league is he worth a 4th round pick, could he be used in a trade to upgrade another position for the Fins & be gone to his 3rd team or could they just keep him as a practice squad arm to give them a third guy in camp for some competition ?

 

 So many unanswered questions when it comes to this guy, another is has he had a fair shake, we all know to well what changing schemes and coaches can do to a young QB in the league the Bills have been in QB hell for years until they chose Josh ?

 

 There are also a lot of QB's that will be hitting the FA market this year that have a ton more experience so will this be Rosen's last stand ? Flame away Bills fans .

I agree 100% it is the offseason 

[BritBill]

7 hours ago, JinxedBill said:

 

Not sure what Wade Phillips has to do with it. 

[GunnerBill]

They keep Fitz - he starts week 1.

The draft Tua - he starts by week 4.

They trade Rosen - it is day 3 pick territory for me.

 

The good news for Rosen I think is that he is now past the point of being considered a viable starting prospect so it is unlikely the bad teams looking for a placeholder QB are interested this time. In fact where his market is now is probably as a low cost, high ceiling reclamation project for a team that has an older, expensive, established vet QB and is looking for a backup. Teams that make sense from my perspective: Patriots (if they bring Brady back), Saints (replacement for Teddy), Vikings (Sean Mannion was their backup last year and is not good and now a FA), Philly (McCown is 107 years old).

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

27 minutes ago, BritBill said:

 

Not sure what Wade Phillips has to do with it. 

Yup.  No headphones.  ?

21 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

They keep Fitz - he starts week 1.

Did you forget gets big extension week 3 after 450 yards passing in week 2?  ?

[ALF]

If Miami drafts Tua , they could not play him until they have a better OL even if he is recovered. So Rosen as a backup for Fitz would make sense unless they get a trade offer that is good.

[machine gun kelly]

I seriously doubt anyone is trading for Rosen, but you might be right Alf.  As you stated, he is going to be at best a career back up.

[SoTier]

11 hours ago, Buffalo86 said:

I think the Dolphins were trying to tank without being too obvious.  Benching Rosen for Fitzpatrick seemed like a safe short-term plan, but then Fitz started playing well.  At that point, having traded away most of their good players & turned Kalen Ballage into their 3-down back (?!?), the coaches may have feared a locker room revolt had they gone back to Rosen.  Players generally don't buy into tanking, and if they did, you wouldn't want them on your team.  Still, the fact that the 'phins pulled the plug on Rosen so quickly doesn't bode well for his future, at least in Miami's opinion. They'd either seen enough to know there wasn't a future there & didn't want his trade value further diminished by allowing the NFL to see more of him, or the Dolphins don't know what they're doing.  

 

Rosen has every excuse in the book not to have found success to this point, as it's hard to think of another 1st round QB whose first 2 years were played under such adverse circumstances.  I won't be shocked if someone takes that into heavy consideration & is willing to take another shot on him.  

 

 

 

 

I think that Rosen is done in the NFL.  I think he doesn't have the presence on the field (Brian Flores called it 'body language') needed to a starting QB in the NFL. I think he's unlikely to get another serious shot at a starting job.

[Gray Beard]

1 minute ago, SoTier said:

 

I think that Rosen is done in the NFL.  I think he doesn't have the presence on the field (Brian Flores called it 'body language') needed to a starting QB in the NFL. I think he's unlikely to get another serious shot at a starting job.

You may be right, but Darnold came back after “seeing ghosts” and did well enough to deserve another chance. If Rosen can be put in a different situation (such as a backup job somewhere else) he might do ok.  If he can light it up in preseason he could get some confidence back.  If, if, if...

[Buffalo86]

10 hours ago, Buffalo Boy said:

    The thing about the “ Wrong Josh” is he seems like a weeney....yet I still feel bad for the kid.

    He doesn’t seems like Clausen, it seems like he’s got to At Least be back up material. I agree that he will get at least one more shot but if he ends up in another crappy situation I guess it must be karma.

 

I know he rubs a lot of fans the wrong way, but IMO the things he's done have been wildly overblown.  Who cares if he had an inflatable hot tub in his room?  Here's a list of his transgressions:  https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2018/4/25/17249082/josh-rosen-draft-ucla-qb-comments

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, machine gun kelly said:

I seriously doubt anyone is trading for Rosen, but you might be right Alf.  As you stated, he is going to be at best a career back up.

 

I think you chuck a 5th or 6th or 7th round pick at him. You still have more chance getting good play out of Rosen as a reclamation project than you do a guy who you take on day 3 of this draft.

 

But he isn't being traded for to be a starter. It is a team looking for a cheap, backup.

[Buffalo86]

10 hours ago, Florida Bills Fanatic said:

Good post.  Rosen's best outcome is that some team misses out on the QB game of musical chairs and he becomes the consolation prize for a desperate team.  He might also get a chance if a team loses a QB in preseason.  As unlikely as any of this may be, such is the life of Josh Rosen.  Personally, I wasn't high on him coming out of college and I'm not shocked by any of this.

 

He could make sense for the Chargers or Colts under the circumstances you described.  Gruden has never met a QB he didn't like, and Reid & Belichick both have a history of developing backup QBs and trading them for profit.

8 hours ago, Ennjay said:

 

Putting aside I don't give a rat's crap about Miami's QB situation so long as it stays bad:

 

Joey Harrington comes to mind.  Not Jimmy Clausen because a lot (meaning a lot) of people thought he was a marginal talent to begin with and the Carolina situation wasn't as bad as AZ and Miami.  (Cue the Notre Dame defenders; ND hasn't produced a decent NFL QB since ... Steve Beuerlein?)

 

Harrington played behind a crap O-line, but his situation was similar to that of many QBs who get taken early in the draft by teams who stink.  I was referring to being drafted by a team with a 1 and done HC, then traded to an (arguably) even worse team after his rookie year.  The worst most QBs ever have to deal with in year 2 is a new OC.  Of course, back in the days of Harrington, rookie QB salaries were too high for a trade like this to even be considered.  

[Buffalo86]

42 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

I think that Rosen is done in the NFL.  I think he doesn't have the presence on the field (Brian Flores called it 'body language') needed to a starting QB in the NFL. I think he's unlikely to get another serious shot at a starting job.

 

Could be.  At the very least, his NFL readiness was severely overestimated.

[Mr. WEO]

kudos for T Master for dropping this deuce and just walking away though...

[Don Otreply]

On Rosen front, his circumstances conspired against him from the get go, the guy may as well retire, it will be a miracle if he becomes a starter on any team, except through injury, and I don’t believe he sees himself as  career #2. With the plethora of available QBs I don’t see him as a first choice for any team, in short, the guy is screwed..jmo. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

5 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

The best thing that can happen to Rosen is for the Packers to give up a 7th round pick or something for him.  Rodgers and him seemed close before the draft so Rodgers may not actually be a dick and help him develop until he retires.  It's a low risk potential high reward move for the Packers.

 

I dunno about the "seemed close" bit. 

 

Rodgers and Rosen share an agent so Rodgers may have agreed to be video'd training with Rosen as a kind of luster/PR move.  If Rosen is drafted high, the agent makes more $$ and I'm sure he'd give Rodgers some kind of cookie.

 

I don't think they play golf together by choice like Allen and Fitzy have.

 

11 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

On Rosen front, his circumstances conspired against him from the get go, the guy may as well retire, it will be a miracle if he becomes a starter on any team, except through injury, and I don’t believe he sees himself as  career #2. With the plethora of available QBs I don’t see him as a first choice for any team, in short, the guy is screwed..jmo. 

 

He's not gonna give up. If nothing else, he has Fitzy as an example of how a guy can go from third string draftee to starter on multiple teams.

 

Of course, Rosen may have a better arm and better throwing ability, but I don't think anyone has ever said or will ever say of him "He's one of the toughest guys in the NFL to compete against - because he's so LIKEABLE" as Jordan Palmer said of Fitz.

[Seasons1992]

Something about a fish, that's all I got........

 

[Captain Hindsight]

13 hours ago, ColoradoBills said:

One of my all time favorite moments in any movie. Absolutely brilliant

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

33 minutes ago, Seasons1992 said:

Something about a fish, that's all I got........

 

I wonder what the penmanship is like?  ?  I would think my attention would drift.

[Seasons1992]

7 minutes ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

I wonder what the penmanship is like?  ?  I would think my attention would drift.

 

Agreed!

 

And I have four tattoes on my biceps, and I cannot imagine how much that script would hurt on the ribcage. PASS.

[T master]

14 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

"Is tag a Fitz"?

 

T Master's threads are often like a running car that somehow slips into gear with no one in it, and then starts heading.....somewhere.

 

For my next post i'm working on i'm doing a video in sign language & it will be about helmet warmers in a dome stadium ? just to really PO all of you all ? I can only imagine the response to that one  ? !!

[Hapless Bills Fan]

7 minutes ago, T master said:

 

For my next post i'm working on i'm doing a video in sign language & it will be about helmet warmers in a dome stadium ? just to really PO all of you all ? I can only imagine the response to that one  ? !!

 

CAN’T WAIT!!!! ?