New Aaron Hernandez Documentary on Netflix. Wow . Must watch

[TwistofFate]

19 minutes ago, J-GunJoshAllen17 said:

I watched the series and I do have sympathy for the environment Hernandez grew up in, but it just seems to me that CTE may only have exasperated his violent tendencies that already existed and he may have gone down this road anyways.  I feel although his father's opinion on homosexuality created a extremely difficult home environment for Aaron, if his father had made it a few more years, Aaron would be alive today.

 

He had no history of violence in his childhood.   His violence began in college, incidentally around the same time experts believe the brain damage was evident.

 

The timeline of his violent events coincide perfectly with the timeline of the onset of progressive brain disease. 

[JerseyBills]

8 minutes ago, TwistofFate said:

He had no history of violence in his childhood.   His violence began in college, incidentally around the same time experts believe the brain damage was evident.

 

The timeline of his violent events coincide perfectly with the timeline of the onset of progressive brain disease. 

I also think the constant smoking of k2 just exacerbated the illness. That stuff has turned alot of guys legit crazy. 

[RiotAct]

his father passing away didn’t help matters either.

[J-GunJoshAllen17]

14 minutes ago, TwistofFate said:

He had no history of violence in his childhood.   His violence began in college, incidentally around the same time experts believe the brain damage was evident.

 

The timeline of his violent events coincide perfectly with the timeline of the onset of progressive brain disease. 

Also around the same time he lost his father which seemed to have a great impact on him.  Also, the adversity of becoming an adult can bring out characteristics not seen prior in childhood.  I understand what you are saying but you are basically boiling down all his violence and murders to being caused by CTE which imo is a bit presumptive.  Sometimes people have difficulty handling the real world when they reach adulthood, especially when they have unresolved childhood issues.  I would wager that is a bigger reason this all happened than CTE.  

[TwistofFate]

1 hour ago, J-GunJoshAllen17 said:

Also around the same time he lost his father which seemed to have a great impact on him.  Also, the adversity of becoming an adult can bring out characteristics not seen prior in childhood.  I understand what you are saying but you are basically boiling down all his violence and murders to being caused by CTE which imo is a bit presumptive.  Sometimes people have difficulty handling the real world when they reach adulthood, especially when they have unresolved childhood issues.  I would wager that is a bigger reason this all happened than CTE.  

It wasn't the same time he lost his father.   His father was dead dead two years before he had any incidents. 

 

Well its not too presumptuous when we know for fact CTE causes rage, the inability to make correct judgments, violence, depression, and makes one very impulsive. 

 

Those are documented facts of the disease.

 

Sure he had other problems and im sure they didn't help.  But....his medical case is like "nothing ever seen before."  

 

I'd wager CTE was the biggest part of his issue.   The guy had severe brain damage.  All the other stuff aside, we are talking about a severe medical condition. 

 

The saddest part is there was no way to actually diagnos it until his brain was actually dissected.

 

Had this been discovered earlier its more than likely these events never take place. 

 

They are working on early warning brain scans right now. 

 

Every NFL player should be mandated for testing once a year the instant a reliable test becomes available. 

Edited January 16, 2020 by TwistofFate

[J-GunJoshAllen17]

25 minutes ago, TwistofFate said:

It wasn't the same time he lost his father.   His father was dead dead two years before he had any incidents. 

 

Well its not too presumptuous when we know for fact CTE causes rage, the inability to make correct judgments, violence, depression, and makes one very impulsive. 

 

Those are documented facts of the disease.

 

Sure he had other problems and im sure they didn't help.  But....his medical case is like "nothing ever seen before."  

 

I'd wager CTE was the biggest part of his issue.   The guy had severe brain damage.  All the other stuff aside, we are talking about a severe medical condition. 

 

The saddest part is there was no way to actually diagnos it until his brain was actually dissected.

 

Had this been discovered earlier its more than likely these events never take place. 

 

They are working on early warning brain scans right now. 

 

Every NFL player should be mandated for testing once a year the instant a reliable test becomes available. 

His father died to years earlier as you said.  He was still in high school and had his family and community to ground him.  When he suprisingly left for Florida, spurning UConn, he was completely on his own with no guidance.  I would say that is the reason he began to act out at that age rather than CTE.  

[Mr. K]

It is well done but I personally thought it did a lot to blame other people and circumstances for his actions. Im sure his life and getting his head smashed up had something to do with it but its not like the NFL is full or murderers. Still a good watch nonetheless.

[RochesterRob]

21 hours ago, RiotAct said:

gotta admit, that was pretty classy of the Pats* letting fans exchange their Hernandez jerseys once he was arrested.

 

  I doubt so much being classy but putting out a fire at least as it was where the Pats had control over things.

[NoSaint]

2 hours ago, J-GunJoshAllen17 said:

Also around the same time he lost his father which seemed to have a great impact on him.  Also, the adversity of becoming an adult can bring out characteristics not seen prior in childhood.  I understand what you are saying but you are basically boiling down all his violence and murders to being caused by CTE which imo is a bit presumptive.  Sometimes people have difficulty handling the real world when they reach adulthood, especially when they have unresolved childhood issues.  I would wager that is a bigger reason this all happened than CTE.  

I think the person mentioning drug use is relevant too. 
 

id venture a guess that later in HS and into college he probably began dabbling in riskier drugs. Could be CTE. Could be PCP. Likely his father situation contributed to both.

[Reed83HOF]

12 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

I think the person mentioning drug use is relevant too. 
 

id venture a guess that later in HS and into college he probably began dabbling in riskier drugs. Could be CTE. Could be PCP. Likely his father situation contributed to both.

 

 

[Chicken Boo]

Yeah, what a plot twist!  Jesus.

[Franchiseneedsme]

One episode in. I cant stand the Father/Son from AH's home town.

[Buffalo716]

4 hours ago, J-GunJoshAllen17 said:

I watched the series and I do have sympathy for the environment Hernandez grew up in, but it just seems to me that CTE may only have exasperated his violent tendencies that already existed and he may have gone down this road anyways.  I feel although his father's opinion on homosexuality created a extremely difficult home environment for Aaron, if his father had made it a few more years, Aaron would be alive today.

 

Yea I lost my football career to concussions and will donate my brain

 

I suspect I have cte or brain trauma... I have went through some rough patches after my football playing days were over and realized the dramatic mood switches and confusion was due to brain trauma

 

Finally after years of no contact football I honestly am starting to feel normal again.   It took a long long long time

 

But I never wanted to hurt anyone else and never would

[TwistofFate]

https://www.prisonlegalnews.org/news/2019/jun/3/people-traumatic-brain-injuries-more-likely-commit-crimes/

[Kkspike]

In other news mid February another tight end who played for Cleveland Tampa New England and the jets will be sentenced on multiple charges.

[Augie]

47 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Yea I lost my football career to concussions and will donate my brain

 

I suspect I have cte or brain trauma... I have went through some rough patches after my football playing days were over and realized the dramatic mood switches and confusion was due to brain trauma

 

Finally after years of no contact football I honestly am starting to feel normal again.   It took a long long long time

 

But I never wanted to hurt anyone else and never would

 

Life is very complicated. No single emoji can cover all that. I’m sad that you’ve had the rough patches, happy that you seem to have put them behind you, and thrilled that you never felt aggressive towards others. 

 

I know what I see as right and wrong. I also know that others have different life experiences. People always need to be held accountable for their actions, but I try not to personally judge them since I can never know where they come from and have never walked in their shoes. It’s complicated, and too often sad. 

 

We have a good friend, and his father told him he’d rather have a dead son than a gay son. How eff’ed up is THAT? Yeah, he’s struggled with it, but he’s actually very successful. I admire him for fighting through it, but not everyone can do that. 

 

I try to focus on the good stuff and keep things positive. 

 

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Edited January 17, 2020 by Augie

[Buffalo716]

10 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

Life is very complicated. No single emoji can cover all that. I’m sad that you’ve had the rough patches, happy that you seem to have put them behind you, and thrilled that you never felt aggressive towards others. 

 

I know what I see as right and wrong. I also know that others have different life experiences. People always need to be held accountable for their actions, but I try not to personally judge them since I can never know where they come from and have never walked in their shoes. It’s complicated, and too often sad. 

 

We have what we consider a very dear friend, and his father told him he’s rather have a dead son than a gay son. How eff’ed up is THAT? Yeah, he’s struggled with it, but he’s actually very successful. I admire him for fighting through it, but not everyone can do that. 

 

I try to focus on the good stuff and keep things positive. 

 

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Thank you and of course I always try and keep it positive

 

It really is something that changes who you are at the core... After my playing days I went through 7 maybe 10 years of being mentally different

 

Like I just wasn't who I was born and raised to be

 

 

[Augie]

1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said:

Thank you and of course I always try and keep it positive

 

It really is something that changes who you are at the core... After my playing days I went through 7 maybe 10 years of being mentally different

 

Like I just wasn't who I was born and raised to be

 

 

 

ZERO question, it is a very real thing. I’m glad it’s getting more attention and awareness.  Hopefully we can prevent injuries going forward and better learn how to treat the MANY people out there already suffering from the effects. 

 

I’m glad our son decided to focus on his future rather than continue football into his college years. 

[StHustle]

13 hours ago, MJS said:

 

And how many former players have CTE without murdering people?

 

CTE is used as a catch all excuse. That's a fact. People kill themselves without having CTE, so I don't even know what you are talking about.

 

Is it possible that CTE had an effect? Absolutely, but people automatically go there and use it as an excuse to dismiss the actions of players all the time. THOSE are the people who don't know what they are talking about and need to "think a little deeper".

For instance, people are going to CTE to explain Antonio Brown's antics, fully ignoring all of the issues he had as a child and all throughout his life. His actions are not a new development, he's always had issues. Aaron Hernandez has always had issues as well.

 

AB having issues is no new development. Him having issues ON THIS LEVEL....certainly is a new development. I think it is CTE. He makes sense only in his own head. He TRULY thinks he is doing nothing wrong and is the victim. CLEARLY a new development to do it at this extreme. He wouldnt have made it as far as he had if this was who he always was. If you truly analyze his actions, anyone with a lick of common sense can tell he has mental issues. That doesnt happen to normal people. I'd bet he has CTE.

13 hours ago, aristocrat said:

 

cte is not proven science.  there is evidence but it is not certain science. the media is very ahead of the science right now. 

 

hernandez was a gangster. people get shot and killed over that stuff quite often. 

 

Lol...you have no idea what you are talking about.

[MJS]

3 minutes ago, StHustle said:

 

AB having issues is no new development. Him having issues ON THIS LEVEL....certainly is a new development. I think it is CTE. He makes sense only in his own head. He TRULY thinks he is doing nothing wrong and is the victim. CLEARLY a new development to do it at this extreme. He wouldnt have made it as far as he had if this was who he always was. If you truly analyze his actions, anyone with a lick of common sense can tell he has mental issues. That doesnt happen to normal people. I'd bet he has CTE.

 

Nobody thinks AB is a normal person. He has something wrong with him for sure, but there are countless clinical causes to his issues. CTE could definately be a contributor, but that's just a guess (and a cop out). And CTE certainly doesn't excuse his actions, nor the actions of any other players. Thousands of people deal with it on a daily basis without becoming complete wastes of human space like AB and Hernandez. They get through it without murdering people or without cussing at cops and throwing bags of gummy penises at ex lovers.

[StHustle]

5 minutes ago, MJS said:

 

Nobody thinks AB is a normal person. He has something wrong with him for sure, but there are countless clinical causes to his issues. CTE could definately be a contributor, but that's just a guess (and a cop out). And CTE certainly doesn't excuse his actions, nor the actions of any other players. Thousands of people deal with it on a daily basis without becoming complete wastes of human space like AB and Hernandez. They get through it without murdering people or without cussing at cops and throwing bags of gummy penises at ex lovers.

 

Having the mental capacity to know the difference between right and wrong means EVERYTHING when determining culpability. Its easy for a person who hasn't dealt with these issues to sit back and assume you should still no right from wrong regardless of you mental issue.

[leonbus23]

On 1/15/2020 at 8:24 AM, MJS said:

A lot of people have messed up childhoods and don't go on to murder anyone. I get your point and intentions, but I wouldn't waste your energy feeling bad for a guy like this. Feel bad for the ones who deserve it.

And that's the catch all excuse for football players... And I'm sick of seeing it used as an excuse.

I know. My Aunt uses her dementia the same way! Sick of hearing it!!

[Nelius]

3 hours ago, Kkspike said:

In other news mid February another tight end who played for Cleveland Tampa New England and the jets will be sentenced on multiple charges.

 

Oh man he's weirdly even more screwed up isn't he? Kellen Winslow stories are insane. He traveled with a torso apparently. 

 

Definitely going to watch this. I have no sympathy for a possible serial killer, but it's fascinating stuff.

[aristocrat]

8 hours ago, StHustle said:

 

AB having issues is no new development. Him having issues ON THIS LEVEL....certainly is a new development. I think it is CTE. He makes sense only in his own head. He TRULY thinks he is doing nothing wrong and is the victim. CLEARLY a new development to do it at this extreme. He wouldnt have made it as far as he had if this was who he always was. If you truly analyze his actions, anyone with a lick of common sense can tell he has mental issues. That doesnt happen to normal people. I'd bet he has CTE.

 

Lol...you have no idea what you are talking about.

 

explain why i do not

[zow2]

AB has no filter and does not seem to understand societal boundaries in just about every aspect of life.  Not sure if that's a mental or behavioral disorder? dual personalities? or from upbringing?  CTE? who knows...   Nobody is going to want to hire him.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

13 hours ago, StHustle said:

 

AB having issues is no new development. Him having issues ON THIS LEVEL....certainly is a new development. I think it is CTE. He makes sense only in his own head. He TRULY thinks he is doing nothing wrong and is the victim. CLEARLY a new development to do it at this extreme. He wouldnt have made it as far as he had if this was who he always was. If you truly analyze his actions, anyone with a lick of common sense can tell he has mental issues. That doesnt happen to normal people. I'd bet he has CTE.

 

Lol...you have no idea what you are talking about.

 

AB seems like he is a narcissist who has surrounded himself with people who puff him up.  He's a great football player, but he's been propped up in his mind that he's some larger than life persona.  And like no one agrees.  I don't know that its CTE, so much as narcissism going fully unchecked and untreated.  

[AKC]

It's a tale of questionable decisionmaking that goes on even after he's done the honorable thing by hanging himself. I noticed in episode 3 the service for him was held at Fagass Funeral Home. Seems like someone might have considered other options?

[YoloinOhio]

2 hours ago, dneveu said:

 

AB seems like he is a narcissist who has surrounded himself with people who puff him up.  He's a great football player, but he's been propped up in his mind that he's some larger than life persona.  And like no one agrees.  I don't know that its CTE, so much as narcissism going fully unchecked and untreated.  

OBJ is well on his way as well. Continues to be babied and enabled due to his talent. 

Edited January 17, 2020 by YoloinOhio

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

21 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

OBJ is well on his way as well. Continues to be babied and enabled due to his talent. 

 

And AB was a much better player.  AB was 4 time 1st team all-pro, and 7 time pro bowler (led the league in TDs in 2018 and didn't get 1st team all-pro, so probably almost 5 time).  ODB has 0 all-pros, 3 pro bowls and none since 2016, Missed time with injuries, and hasn't been very good the last 2 years.  If only ODB was as good in real life as he is in his mind.

[RochesterLifer]

I watched the Netlfix series, while keeping up with this thread. I tried to consider the sympathetic points of view stated here and the "understanding" statements in the show. Hernandez murdered at will. He was nothing more than a consuming animal. The series was a boring, superficial, excuse-making waste of three hours of my life. He was given great gifts and used them to cause great harm. No excuses, no sympathy, and this is NOT must watch television.

Edited January 18, 2020 by RochesterLifer

[C.Biscuit97]

Great doc though they all must be taken with a grain of salt.  My general thought is your past doesn’t excuse your present and future but it’s so interesting how a couple things can totally change your entire life.  His fiancée seems like the type of girl you should marry.  His HS qb taking about his dimples. ?. And I liked the semi pro guy who was friends with ODin.  And how did Brady not get in on some of that action???
 

just a sad story all around.  But hey, the Patriot Way!!!

2 hours ago, RochesterLifer said:

I watched the Netlfix series, while keeping up with this thread. I tried to consider the sympathetic points of view stated here and the "understanding" statements in the show. Hernandez murdered at will. He was nothing more than a consuming animal. The series was a boring, superficial, excuse-making waste of three hours of my life. He was given great gifts and used them to cause great harm. No excuses, no sympathy, and this is NOT must watch television.

Just our of curiosity, what type of shoes do you normally like?

[RochesterLifer]

4 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Great doc though they all must be taken with a grain of salt.  My general thought is your past doesn’t excuse your present and future but it’s so interesting how a couple things can totally change your entire life.  His fiancée seems like the type of girl you should marry.  His HS qb taking about his dimples. ?. And I liked the semi pro guy who was friends with ODin.  And how did Brady not get in on some of that action???
 

just a sad story all around.  But hey, the Patriot Way!!!

Just our of curiosity, what type of shoes do you normally like?

I suspect there is a joke in here. But, I don't understand. What are you getting at? Answer: old, ratty sneakers.

[C.Biscuit97]

Just now, RochesterLifer said:

I suspect there is a joke in here. But, I don't understand. What are you getting at? Answer: old, ratty sneakers.

No, total serious question. I’m genuinely curious. A lot of shows are about people who do terrible things but you get a backstory of why.  Like Sopranos. Personally, I think they don’t excuse how terrible a person is but I do find them interesting. Like if Hernandez dad never dies, does any of this happen? If he did struggle with his sexuality, does he work so hard to become pretend to be some tough guy?  It’s part of my career so I find it fascinating but to each their own.

[Da webster guy]

23 hours ago, AKC said:

It's a tale of questionable decisionmaking that goes on even after he's done the honorable thing by hanging himself. I noticed in episode 3 the service for him was held at Fagass Funeral Home. Seems like someone might have considered other options?

 

Dude we noticed that funeral home name too everybody in the room cracked up.

 

Also the dad of Aarons high school qb is hilarious.  The "Bob Ross paintings" line was a crier

[RochesterLifer]

 Thank you for the thoughtful answer. I do respect the deeper considerations. However, I am also jaded by privileged athletes (I was one) never having consequences and feeling immune to accountability. That is pretty much where I sit here. If he learned right from wrong and accountability, he still would have struggled with his demons (we all do), but multiple murders, wow.

 

No about the shoes....

[bbb]

20 minutes ago, Da webster guy said:

 

Dude we noticed that funeral home name too everybody in the room cracked up.

 

Also the dad of Aarons high school qb is hilarious.  The "Bob Ross paintings" line was a crier

 

That was Jeff Garlin, wasn't it?  

[DBilz2500]

Pretty good series overall. Touched on some things I didn’t know. Didn’t think it was necessary to keep bringing up his sexuality. Him being gay or not is not the reason why he turned into a serial killer. Enough with the gay stuff already 

[C.Biscuit97]

2 hours ago, DBilz2500 said:

Pretty good series overall. Touched on some things I didn’t know. Didn’t think it was necessary to keep bringing up his sexuality. Him being gay or not is not the reason why he turned into a serial killer. Enough with the gay stuff already 

Couldn’t disagree more.  This was a dude who was taught it was disgraceful to be gay.  Think about the quote his father said.  He was supposed to be an alpha man playing an alpha sport where being gay isn’t considered a positive thing.  To pretend to be something you’re not your whole life has to hard.  And it sounds like it made him overcompensate as a tough guy.

 

doesnt excuse his behavior in the slightest but to pretend like it might not be a factor is kinda Naive.

[DBilz2500]

1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Couldn’t disagree more.  This was a dude who was taught it was disgraceful to be gay.  Think about the quote his father said.  He was supposed to be an alpha man playing an alpha sport where being gay isn’t considered a positive thing.  To pretend to be something you’re not your whole life has to hard.  And it sounds like it made him overcompensate as a tough guy.

 

doesnt excuse his behavior in the slightest but to pretend like it might not be a factor is kinda Naive.

Find it kinda hard to believe he was really gay since he seemed to live at strip clubs, was engaged to a lady and had a kid. Just the media trying to push the Gay agenda even more ?

[Clemfield2622]

9 minutes ago, DBilz2500 said:

Find it kinda hard to believe he was really gay since he seemed to live at strip clubs, was engaged to a lady and had a kid. Just the media trying to push the Gay agenda even more ?

Have you never met a gay person that is in the closet? The cover is everything.

 

I had friends in high school have parents get divorced after one of the parents finally had the courage to come out.

Edited January 19, 2020 by Clemfield2622