McDermott and Beane End of Season press conferences 1/7

[Rc2catch]

Just now, thebandit27 said:

Clowney isn’t a pure pass rusher like Mack, so it’s not an apples to apples. He’s just as productive on a per-game basis when comparing TFLs and forced turnovers, and he’s a phenomenal run defender.

I understand that. I’m not downing his talent I have watched him play a bunch. What I’m saying is what makes him probably 30 million dollars better than Lawson? From what I am seeing (just by stats) shaq is racking up TFL and QB hits just like clowney this year and he wasn’t even starting. 

 

I do get clowney has that burst to make an impact play every so often that few others  can do. But are those rare impact plays worth the contract and games he misses?  
 

I guess my point is I think the defense is better production wise in a 16 game season with a shaq and Murphy rotation than the few games you actually see a 100% clowney. And shaq (even with a new deal) and Murphy together still might cost less than clowney. 

 

[PIZ]

Do you think Beane will go after any of the Colts OL free agents? OL coach Johnson should know if they are worth pursuing:

 

Anthony Costonzo – OT – 32 – UFA

Josh Andrews – OG – 29 – UFA

Joe Haeg – OG – 26 – UFA

[thebandit27]

Just now, Rc2catch said:

I understand that. I’m not downing his talent I have watched him play a bunch. What I’m saying is what makes him probably 30 million dollars better than Lawson? From what I am seeing (just by stats) shaq is racking up TFL and QB hits just like clowney this year and he wasn’t even starting. 

 

I do get clowney has that burst to make an impact play every so often that few others  can do. But are those rare impact plays worth the contract and games he misses?  
 

I guess my point is I think the defense is better production wise in a 16 game season with a shaq and Murphy rotation than the few games you actually see a 100% clowney. And shaq (even with a new deal) and Murphy together still might cost less than clowney. 

 

My opinion on that is that Clowney isn’t in a system that is best suited for him, which was often the case in Houston as well.

 

In Seattle, they’ve used lighter, faster EDGE guys like Avril and Clark and gotten great production from them. Plugging in a stouter, speed-to-power player isn’t going to yield the same results.

 

As far as speed-to-power EDGE guys go, Clowney is among the best I’ve seen since Mario. Garrett is currently the best in the game; Shaq is starting to come into his own. With the way McDermott’s scheme uses a speed-to-power guy at LDE, I can easily see Clowney being a Shaq-on-roids type in this D.

[Boca BIlls]

3 hours ago, Mrbojanglezs said:

give the press a damn mic

That is done on purpose actually. 

39 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

 

 

McDermott and Beane care about what they are putting out on the field. It's good to see such dedication to ones job. 

[Rc2catch]

2 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

My opinion on that is that Clowney isn’t in a system that is best suited for him, which was often the case in Houston as well.

 

In Seattle, they’ve used lighter, faster EDGE guys like Avril and Clark and gotten great production from them. Plugging in a stouter, speed-to-power player isn’t going to yield the same results.

 

As far as speed-to-power EDGE guys go, Clowney is among the best I’ve seen since Mario. Garrett is currently the best in the game; Shaq is starting to come into his own. With the way McDermott’s scheme uses a speed-to-power guy at LDE, I can easily see Clowney being a Shaq-on-roids type in this D.

I can see it as well. My issue is the contract vs production. Everyone gets hurt. But he’s been hurt literally every year he’s been in the league. I’m not 100% sure what his contract demands are going to be, but a monster deal for him could actually have a monster Impact on this teams progress if the injury trend continues or gets worse. I also think it says a terrible message to our team. Shaq busted butt and got better every year, but instead of paying him we will give the money to this other guy who has more talent but hasn’t produced as good as shaq did for us. 
He’s more talented than anyone we have on the line. I can’t debate against his impact on a game when he shows up. For me anyways he’s a luxury signing. Teams like KC or even New Orleans of old can gamble like that because their offense is getting them to the playoffs. If clowney is hurt not too big of a deal Brees will just throw an extra 15 passes to keep them in the game. We don’t have that luxury.. yet. 

16 minutes ago, PIZ said:

Do you think Beane will go after any of the Colts OL free agents? OL coach Johnson should know if they are worth pursuing:

 

Anthony Costonzo – OT – 32 – UFA

Josh Andrews – OG – 29 – UFA

Joe Haeg – OG – 26 – UFA

Costanzo I believe will only play for the colts. I read somewhere he stated he’ll retire if Indy doesn’t want him anymore. 

[K-9]

31 minutes ago, Rc2catch said:

They could always franchise tag him, let him and his agent seek a trade, trading team has to pay him. Jerk move but the smart business route 

And?  It’s not news he’s ALWAYS hurt 

Well, the tag amount for DTs was just north of $15m for this year. Given our needs in other areas, I wouldn’t be surprised at all if Beane and Co. thought that was too high. 

[Alphadawg7]

1 hour ago, DCOrange said:

Only thing I saw was mentioning that he had worked hard the past few weeks and deserved the increased reps he saw against Houston. But they also made it pretty clear they're upgrading at WR this offseason.

McD was quite complimentary to Duke actually.  
 

I would expand and say they didn’t make it clear that they are cleaning house at WR or going to make a huge move.  The press specifically pressed them on questions about WR.  And they downplayed the urgency that was expressed in the question by saying its one of many positions they will look at.  
 

Clearly WR will be a priority, but I do not think they are going to look at a big free agent signing at WR based on his comments about the position and also the comments on the approach to free agency this year.  So I think it’s going to come down to addressing WR in the first or second round depending how the board falls if I was to predict now.  They may add some lower tier competition is FA, but i didn’t come away thinking they would go after the likely top 3 FA WRs in Cooper, Green, or Anderson this year like some are hoping.

[dave mcbride]

51 minutes ago, Rc2catch said:

I am nowhere near that confident. Guy has 3 sacks in his contract year in Seattle. Trent Murphy put up better numbers. Shaq has more everything than clowney had this year. 
And he’s going to want Mack kind of money for worse production than Trent Murphy and he’s extremely injury prone? I can’t see the love

Check out his TFL stats. They are great. He was banged up this year and missed time, but when he's on, he's unstoppable. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/ClowJa00.htm

[Rc2catch]

6 minutes ago, K-9 said:

Well, the tag amount for DTs was just north of $15m for this year. Given our needs in other areas, I wouldn’t be surprised at all if Beane and Co. thought that was too high. 

If they traded him it wouldn’t matter. It would basically just be a cheap way to get a earlier comp pick. Nobody is giving more than a 3 or 4 for him when they have to pay him. Which is likely what we’d get if he gets a big deal somewhere else. Depending if they don’t invest much into free agency. 

[Rc2catch]

14 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

Check out his TFL stats. They are great. He was banged up this year and missed time, but when he's on, he's unstoppable. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/ClowJa00.htm

I did look. His best was 21 TFL. He played almost 900 snaps that season. It was his healthiest season. The Texans were also 4-12 with Watson and Watt hurt
Shaq had 13 this year and didn’t start. It’s possible to say with an extra 150-200 snaps he could of gotten 20. He played 480 snaps this year. 
Shaq had like 18 hits on the qb this season 

clowneys best was 21. So as bad as we knock shaq for being a pass rusher he’s getting to the quarterback more than clowney. 
 

Clowney has the edge on forcing fumbles with that insanely fast impact play. Nobody in the league can bust through like that. 
 

My point wouldn’t ever be Lawson is a better or more impactful player. 
The only question I have is the money clowney may be asking for. Shaq can produce at a slightly less level for half the money. He’s also trended up every year and may still get better. Can’t say if he’s peaked yet until next season. 
 

Edited January 7, 2020 by Rc2catch

[dave mcbride]

7 minutes ago, Rc2catch said:

I did look. His best was 21 TFL. He played almost 900 snaps that season. It was his healthiest season. The Texans were also 4-12 with Watson and Watt hurt
Shaq had 13 this year and didn’t start. It’s possible to say with an extra 150-200 snaps he could of gotten 20. He played 480 snaps this year. 
Shaq had like 18 hits on the qb this season 

clowneys best was 21. So as bad as we knock shaq for being a pass rusher he’s getting to the quarterback more than clowney. 
 

Clowney has the edge on forcing fumbles with that insanely fast impact play. Nobody in the league can bust through like that. 
 

My point wouldn’t ever be Lawson is a better or more impactful player. 
The only question I have is the money clowney may be asking for. Shaq can produce at a slightly less level for half the money. He’s also trended up every year and may still get better. Can’t say if he’s peaked yet until next season. 
 

The thing is, for the next two seasons the Bills are going to be swimming in a sea of open cap space because they're not paying a QB. Get a couple of difference makers that put them over the top, not "nice players."

 

They were 4-12 that year because for 10 games, their quarterbacks were Tom Savage and TJ Yates. 

Edited January 7, 2020 by dave mcbride

[Rc2catch]

1 minute ago, dave mcbride said:

The thing is, for the next two seasons the Bills are going to be swimming in a sea of open cap space because they're not paying a QB. Get a couple of difference makers that put them over the top, not "nice players."

He is only a difference maker when he’s healthy. A deal for someone like him costs you for 4-5 years. What if the injury trend gets worse? You have a broken down end at 15-20 million who is only healthy a couple games a year? Beane can’t work his magic on a contract like this, there won’t be any outs without severe  repercussions in year 2 or 3. 
Clowney is trending down. 
There can be injuries to anyone. But to invest top defensive end money to someone this injury prone is not good team building. He will play through but he’s invisible a lot of times cause he’s not playing at full strength. 
I get everyone being hyped over the philly game. Just don’t see it as a smart investment. 

[dave mcbride]

1 minute ago, Rc2catch said:

He is only a difference maker when he’s healthy. A deal for someone like him costs you for 4-5 years. What if the injury trend gets worse? You have a broken down end at 15-20 million who is only healthy a couple games a year? Beane can’t work his magic on a contract like this, there won’t be any outs without severe  repercussions in year 2 or 3. 
Clowney is trending down. 
There can be injuries to anyone. But to invest top defensive end money to someone this injury prone is not good team building. He will play through but he’s invisible a lot of times cause he’s not playing at full strength. 
I get everyone being hyped over the philly game. Just don’t see it as a smart investment. 

It's less the Philly game than the SF game. It might have been the best game I've seen played by a DE all season.  I also think we're in a place where we can roll the dice a little. I want to win the division, and we need some better players.

Edited January 7, 2020 by dave mcbride

[dave mcbride]

7 minutes ago, Rc2catch said:

He is only a difference maker when he’s healthy. A deal for someone like him costs you for 4-5 years. What if the injury trend gets worse? You have a broken down end at 15-20 million who is only healthy a couple games a year? Beane can’t work his magic on a contract like this, there won’t be any outs without severe  repercussions in year 2 or 3. 
Clowney is trending down. 
There can be injuries to anyone. But to invest top defensive end money to someone this injury prone is not good team building. He will play through but he’s invisible a lot of times cause he’s not playing at full strength. 
I get everyone being hyped over the philly game. Just don’t see it as a smart investment. 

PS - For the reasons you state above, I don't think the Bills will target him. That doesn't seem to be their way, for better or worse.

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

2 hours ago, HOF4LOU said:

Did Beane or McD say anything about Duke?

I anticipate they will probably have a stand-alone press conference to only discuss Duke.

[YoloinOhio]

2 hours ago, HOF4LOU said:

Did Beane or McD say anything about Duke?

McDermott did 

[Rc2catch]

4 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

PS - For the reasons you state above, I don't think the Bills will target him. That doesn't seem to be their way, for better or worse.

Hey I fully agree we’re in need of impact players. Guys who make big plays. And Beane has proven one thing since being here, he’s unpredictable. I can’t even count since day one how many moves he’s made where I scratched my head between the trades and free agency. Looking back though I get it all now. There’s still only one move I question and that was cutting Jonathan Williams on his rookie deal. I didn’t think he was great or anything but it didn’t make sense to cut him.  I still don’t get that. He was practice squad eligible and we ran Tolbert, Taiwan and Banyard I think that year. 
I have zero doubts these guys will find us some impactful players rather it’s trade, draft or free agency. I expect a great pass rusher and receiver and a complimentary back. Everyone knows we need it. He’ll find it. 

[tcampbell104]

3 hours ago, Bangarang said:

I wouldn’t mind re-signing Spain but what do you do with Ford at that point? He’s not good at RT and you can’t justify starting him over Spain or Feliciano. I’m sure he’d stay at RT but he’s likely to be a liability 

players can improve from their first to second season, if cordy is the starting rt next year lets hope we see a lot of improvement!

[MAJBobby]

I think this directly clashes with the HC mindset on the situation discussed. 

 

 

[Reed83HOF]

19 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

PS - For the reasons you state above, I don't think the Bills will target him. That doesn't seem to be their way, for better or worse.

we also could have traded a 3rd for him and didn't...

[K-9]

53 minutes ago, Rc2catch said:

If they traded him it wouldn’t matter. It would basically just be a cheap way to get a earlier comp pick. Nobody is giving more than a 3 or 4 for him when they have to pay him. Which is likely what we’d get if he gets a big deal somewhere else. Depending if they don’t invest much into free agency. 

I hear you, but trading a guy after tagging him can be messy. Especially if other teams would also balk at a $15m price tag for a DT who’s been unproven until this year. Then again, maybe he re-signs for a reasonable deal that Beans finds acceptable. 

[mabden]

One thing I learned/realized about the players McBeane have brought in, there is a least one experienced guy at each position.  This is an excellent way to infuse our younger guys with the leadership/experience/mentoring to build up the team.  Also of note is the older guys are team first guys and lead by example. 

[BillsVet]

4 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said:

(BTW Sullivan's tweet shows a stunning lack of self-awareness or judgment.  It's one thing to think that to yourself - but to tweet it out?  What an all-time ass.)

 

His criticizing the food put out for the media at a home game last month tells you the story about Jerry.  He's just an angry human being that has an agenda and will color things in a way to support that.  He's simply not a trustworthy source anymore.

 

I'm not happy they lost, or over some of the decisions made, but it's over.  The axe he's trying to grind has nothing left to sharpen. 

[HappyDays]

5 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

?

 

 

 

My favorite Jerry Sullivan story is from a few months ago. He posted a cropped photo of the Bills press box breakfast station to make it look like there was nothing but a few bagels, and complained that it was disrespectful. Then someone posted a photo of this huge breakfast buffet in the press box that the Bills had put together. The guy has lost his mind since getting fired.

[Penfield45]

so they want to spend a majority of our 90m cap space in keeping our own guys? that's not really something you would want to hear, and a bit worrying 

 

if this offense doesn't improve past their bottom 5 passing ranking that they have had every single year under McD we aren't winning anything here. 

[Real McClappy]

3 minutes ago, Penfield45 said:

so they want to spend a majority of our 90m cap space in keeping our own guys? that's not really something you would want to hear, and a bit worrying 

 

if this offense doesn't improve past their bottom 5 passing ranking that they have had every single year under McD we aren't winning anything here. 

You build through the draft

Got through Beane's interview. Sounds like Shaq will get a contract offer and Jordan will test the FA market. 

 

Good interview overall.

[HappyDays]

3 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

PS - For the reasons you state above, I don't think the Bills will target him. That doesn't seem to be their way, for better or worse.

 

Interesting, I feel the exact opposite. We have signed a bunch of free agents off injuries. Poyer, Kroft, and Murphy come to mind.

[FLFan]

6 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

?

 

 

What a putz. Hey Jerry - you are free to leave at any time.

[Mat68]

3 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

I think this directly clashes with the HC mindset on the situation discussed. 

 

 

That's making something out nothing.  The reporter asked similar leading questions about Allen's "melt down" at the end of the game.  Both acknowledged he needs to improve, but both were quick to defend Allen as well.  McDermott in those situations wants Allen to do things differently, he also wants a 5 man protection to block 4 rushers.  Beane said as an evaluater he would take a guy trying to do too much, vs a guy not willing to do enough.  Allen is  not the reason they lost the game.  The team made multiple mistakes.  A young team in its first playoff game, it's not too hard to understand.  They still were 1 or 2 plays away from winning the game anyways.

[DuckyBoys]

1 hour ago, Real McNasty said:

You build through the draft

Got through Beane's interview. Sounds like Shaq will get a contract offer and Jordan will test the FA market. 

 

Good interview overall.

 

That's how I read it.  Curious how quickly they tend Shaq an offer. 

[LABILLBACKER]

9 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Series of calls they want back. How about teaching Josh what a 2min offense is. Running 40 seconds off the clock at 1:08 was unbelievable?

[dave mcbride]

1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

 

Interesting, I feel the exact opposite. We have signed a bunch of free agents off injuries. Poyer, Kroft, and Murphy come to mind.

I am thinking of the money. It would be a Mario williams-like signing and the money all of that entails.

[Mr. WEO]

25 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Series of calls they want back. How about teaching Josh what a 2min offense is. Running 40 seconds off the clock at 1:08 was unbelievable?

 

 

How about someone helping Sean with decisions on 4th down (punting on 4th and 4, dropping back on. 4th and 27).  

 

Then he had the nuts to toss Josh below the bus by saying he was trying to do too much.  Bad look, bro...

[HappyDays]

13 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

I am thinking of the money. It would be a Mario williams-like signing and the money all of that entails.

 

I think the Bills have been smart with their cap space because they want to be able to make a splash signing. Everything they've done over the past 3 years has to be looked at in the context of the rebuild. The tear down is done. They aren't going to be stupid with their money but they're not saving all that cap space just for their own draft picks. I would bet serious money on a major splash free agent this year and I'm fairly sure it will be a DE.

[Dkollidas]

5 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

I think this directly clashes with the HC mindset on the situation discussed. 

 

 

I don’t think so. They both want an aggressive quarterback. 
But I think they’d agree there’s a difference between aggressive and reckless.

1st half the team, and therefore Josh, were aggressive.

 

In the 2nd half I believe the team became conservative, which led to Josh getting nervous, frustrated and caused him to then feel like he needed to make things happen, which he did recklessly.

 

They don’t want a checkdown Kelly Holcomb. 
 

They don’t want reckless Jameis Winston.

 

They want an aggressive playmaker (Brett Favre. Not in terms of the career numbers, but in terms of his style of play).

[YoloinOhio]

 

Analysis: Both Beane and McDermott made a point to bring up Allen’s propensity for trying to do too much. That was on full display at the end of the playoff loss to the Texans. This has been a theme since Allen entered the league and may always be one given the quarterback’s aggressive nature. How do you find the balance of taking care of the football without turning him into “Checkdown Charlie,” as Beane says? Beane doesn’t think that hurdle is too big for Allen to clear. After all, Allen did a much better job taking care of the football in the second half of the season. When forced to carry the offense, however, Allen showed a tendency to revert to his reckless tendencies.

McDermott touched on some of the specific areas of Allen’s game that need improvement, such as the deep ball and some mechanical issues. While he goes to work this offseason, we won’t know how much progress Allen has made until training camp or even the regular season. So much is riding on his development. If he takes a step toward becoming a top 10 quarterback in the league, this team has all the pieces to contend for a division title and win a playoff game. If he goes the other way, this team could struggle to make the postseason.

Bills fans remember past regimes giving up on EJ Manuel and J.P. Losman in a hurry. This current regime isn’t remotely close to giving up on Allen, nor should it be. Beane and McDermott are banking on more improvement from Allen in 2020. Adding more talent around him should help.

[Manther]

9 hours ago, Reed83HOF said:

Finally called it a total rebuild LOL

HA, that was the first time I ever heard that from McBeane too...

[3rdand12]

Honest . A good look from folks i want to respect moving forward . well done McBeanes

 

BTW Weo

 Josh can handle the truth and so can we.

 Team game. Coaches on down. everyone can build off this season and and an earned Playoff Game

 

[Manther]

9 hours ago, billsfan1959 said:

Love Beane. IMO, he knows what he has to do and he knows how to do it the right way.

The hugest fan myself.  I feel like Beane and McD both have a great attribute (to help with longevity) which is lacking an ego and the ability to self reflect and make improvements.  They both seem to do this well and it sets a great example for the staff and players.

 

This is the reason I am confident we will be more aggressive next year against top tier opponents.  I think we will learn from these games, Texans, Pats ** X 2, Ravens.

[Manther]

7 hours ago, Brian3488 said:

I think u read between all the lines except one. Its pretty evident with me and what McDermott says he is not sold on Daboll as OC here. He said no changes "at this point" to me with questions regarding the offense, he always says there needed to be improvements. Adjustments need to be made and Daboll has to put Josh in the right series or sequence to start the second half. The coaches are responsible for players success too and Daboll has inconsistent stints on play calling but usually really when it matters it gets horrendous.

Think this is what McDermott is seeing and even Beane agrees offense needs more points. Is Daboll the one they see for the future or are they hoping he signs w Browns

I hope you are right and I think you are right.

7 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said:

 

 

 

I think Ford is going to be okay. I think a lot of his mistakes were technique things that can be cleaned up. I know I am in the minority, but unless you are giving loads of money to Jack Conklin, I don't think that you are going to find a guy with Ford's upside. I just think he was really raw, and is working on his game. There were times where he looked really good and I was pretty impressed. There were also times in which he looked truly awful, but there were times Spain, Morse, and Feliciano looked terrible as well. I look at it the same way I view Dawkins when people wanted to move him, Ford has not proven that he is incapable of playing right tackle. He isn't there yet and I think it is too early to move him. I think the Bills see him as a true RT and that is why they chose him over Dalton Risner. Like I said, his game is raw. He wasn't asked to do much at Oklahoma and he is working on the nuances of the game. 

 

 

Agreed.  I think he will make tremendous improvements over the next 2 years.  And, he already played fairly well as a Rookie at RT and held his own.