Locker Room Cleanout - interviews

[loveorhatembillsfan4life]

40 minutes ago, egd said:

 

A good athlete learns from his mistakes after losing a game and quickly clears his mind. Dwelling on a game does no good.

A loss in the regular season is one thing where you have no other choice but to get ready for next week. Win or lose, yes Pats were already onto next week. 

 

But now the season is over. A good athlete will take this experience, realize what he needs improve on and get to work. . It should add fuel to his fire. That’s his job and whatever motivates him to be a better qb next year is good to me. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[RiotAct]

7 minutes ago, HOUSE said:

Its about time to clean up these lockers

 

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... EXCEPT JOHN ❤️ 

[BillsMafi$]

Josh Allen now has 28 starts. He was below-average in every passing metric other than sack avoidance this year. If he's going to be something special, wouldn't we know by now? Is there any quarterback who made a major leap after two below-average seasons? Maybe it's possible.

[billrooter]

1 hour ago, egd said:

 

Chip on his shoulder?? Won't be over the loss until next season?? New England players get over the loss by the next day, and are onto the next game. I know I am over the loss. I don't let myself become emotionally invested in a game. Josh needs to learn to maintain his focus. The Houston game means nothing.

So when is the next game, you mean preseason next year? Who do they even start with egd? I hope he thinks about it every time he is trying to clean up his footwork and train in the off season, hope I am not alone in this.

Edited January 5, 2020 by billrooter

[Rochesterfan]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

 

This can’t be - I read right on here that the players don’t care and will be off on their millionaire vacations and only the fans really care.

 

Especially because we coddled them by showing up at the airport - what could we be thinking.

 

Duh!

[SCBills]

57 minutes ago, egd said:

 

A good athlete learns from his mistakes after losing a game and quickly clears his mind. Dwelling on a game does no good.

You must have hated Michael Jordan. 

[YoloinOhio]

4 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

This can’t be - I read right on here that the players don’t care and will be off on their millionaire vacations and only the fans really care.

 

Especially because we coddled them by showing up at the airport - what could we be thinking.

 

Duh!

Some players are wired that way... not this one though

[SCBills]

12 minutes ago, BillsMafi$ said:

Josh Allen now has 28 starts. He was below-average in every passing metric other than sack avoidance this year. If he's going to be something special, wouldn't we know by now? Is there any quarterback who made a major leap after two below-average seasons? Maybe it's possible.

He’s a tough one to gauge with stats, which is another reason for the Cam Newton comparison.  
 

Do QBs that are below average in passing metrics early in their career also run for 50 yards per game and lead the league in rushing TDs?  
 

Do they make throws only 3-4 other QBs in the NFL can make? 
 

Are they 6’5 with a cannon?  
 

Year 3, with what will presumably be a strong offense around him, is a year he needs to improve, but the rapid improvement from Year 1 to 2 is a pretty good reason to have hope that he will.  
 

 

Edited January 5, 2020 by SCBills

[YoloinOhio]

12 minutes ago, BillsMafi$ said:

Josh Allen now has 28 starts. He was below-average in every passing metric other than sack avoidance this year. If he's going to be something special, wouldn't we know by now? Is there any quarterback who made a major leap after two below-average seasons? Maybe it's possible.

I always heard from some nfl personnel guys i know that as a QB “ you are what you are by year 3”. I don’t know if that’s the magic # or not. But I don’t think it’s less than that. 

[ColoradoBills]

10 minutes ago, BillsMafi$ said:

Josh Allen now has 28 starts. He was below-average in every passing metric other than sack avoidance this year. If he's going to be something special, wouldn't we know by now? Is there any quarterback who made a major leap after two below-average seasons? Maybe it's possible.

 

If you are thinking that Beane and McDermott should or will consider moving on from Josh Allen you will most likely be extremely disappointed.

You like all of us will just have to wait till next season to see if Josh Allen proves it or not.

 

[RobbRiddicksTDLeap]

1 hour ago, Sig1Hunter said:

He struggled yesterday?? I thought he looked pretty sharp all game. He made a couple bone headed decisions - and I’ll chalk those up to being a young guy trying to win the game by himself when it became apparent the coaching wasn’t going to do him any favors in the 4th quarter - but by no means would I say that he struggled. That’s ridiculous. 

Cole Beasley. I’m telling you man, he’s trouble. He’s not the guy that is going make Allen better. 
 

Im joking by the way

Edited January 5, 2020 by RobbRiddicksTDLeap

[blacklabel]

I just have to laugh at anyone criticizing the players for not instantly being over the loss. If they were automatically over it, it would indicate that they don't really care. Welp, these dudes care. The culture they've created is a team that really cares about one another. Beyond that, they're human beings, they're allowed to be bummed out. I've never understood this perception some "fans" seem to have, they look at these dudes like they're some kinda fancy football machine and they should shirk all other aspects of life and do ONLY football ALL the time. Get the eff outta here with that. 

 

The fact that Allen displayed legitimate improvement in areas he struggled with in 2018 is enough for me to believe that he'll come back for 2020 even more refined and ready to go. The dude wants it. Sometimes maybe too much, maybe that's what drives his high-risk heroball shenanigans. Maybe Daboll should've settled him down in OT and realized he had a whole new quarter and three timeouts. Run the ball a bit, do the things that got you there. Instead, he coached as if they had 30 seconds left and needed 60 yards all in one play. Calling low-percentage passes didn't seem like the best strategy.

 

And I said this in another thread but anyone who thinks wholesale player/coaching changes are the answer...move along, cause that ain't it. Continue to build on what they got. They have some cornerstone pieces, they've drafted well, they've signed quality free agents, they'll start extending their own guys pretty soon. Pretty much all the things fans speak of when talking about what goes into building a contender. 

Edited January 6, 2020 by blacklabel

[YoloinOhio]

He wanted it for the team and the city and the fans. It was right there. Gut wrenching. 

 

[LSHMEAB]

7 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

If you are thinking that Beane and McDermott should or will consider moving on from Josh Allen you will most likely be extremely disappointed.

You like all of us will just have to wait till next season to see if Josh Allen proves it or not.

 

That's where I'm at. I'm not nearly as bullish on Allen as many, but everyone is just gonna have to wait on conclusive answers. Most, if not all of those questions will be answered next season.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

1 hour ago, Sig1Hunter said:

He struggled yesterday?? I thought he looked pretty sharp all game. He made a couple bone headed decisions - and I’ll chalk those up to being a young guy trying to win the game by himself when it became apparent the coaching wasn’t going to do him any favors in the 4th quarter - but by no means would I say that he struggled. That’s ridiculous. 

Allen got extremely lucky. He made some very good throws, but his negative plays outweighed the good. That was a  very bad defense he was facing. 

[YoloinOhio]

Just now, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Allen got extremely lucky. He made some very good throws, but his negative plays outweighed the good. That was a  very bad defense he was facing. 

I think they will get curb stomped by the chiefs 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

I think they will get curb stomped by the chiefs 

They were even down 2-3 players in the secondary vs us. I also believe they get beat down. KC will score with ease.

[WideNine]

50 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

He struggled in crunch time. But I also thought he played well overall. Had a TD dropped, made some big time throws, big time runs. But I asked an objective 3rd party who watched the game  just to make Sure I wasn’t biased and he said he thought he was good but reckless. Super talented but still raw. Said “he’s only 23! Exciting”. I accepted that answer. 

 

Did something similar... just looked at a bunch of different football reporting sources to see how biased I was being. Most acknowledged the up and down performance we all saw. Clutch and on target throws through most of the game, then some wide-eyed reckless desperation plays later with a playoff game on the line.

 

A lot of focus on the lateral and I guess that is to be expected as it was the most glaring proof that Josh had lost the handle on the actual game situation. Unlike the news outlets, I also blame Daboll and Dorsey for not recognizing the situation earlier and working between the offensive series to talk to Allen review where they were at and what they needed and the time available. Just helping keep your young QB grounded.

 

That is what a QB coach does during games, but maybe they tried and it was not effective. Either way, something that Allen and the team needs to do better. First full season behind center and the kid helped guide this team, sometimes carried this team, to a 10 win season and playoffs.

 

He has work to do, but I saw things that make me think that with the right pieces in place he can take another step in the right direction - like the 50/50 balls Allen was willing to throw to Duke that have been rare with his determination not to turn the ball over. He still needs to get the ball out earlier when his receivers are coming out of their breaks as the Texans sat on some of those shorter sideline and comeback routes and nearly had picks.

 

My hope is that OBD coaching staff also spend some time objectively reviewing game tape and the decisions that they made and whether they brought their "A" game. McDermott preaches 360 evaluation and continual improvement... have faith that as an org they will make the changes necessary to continue to improve.

 

[BullBuchanan]

1 hour ago, Sig1Hunter said:

He struggled yesterday?? I thought he looked pretty sharp all game. He made a couple bone headed decisions - and I’ll chalk those up to being a young guy trying to win the game by himself when it became apparent the coaching wasn’t going to do him any favors in the 4th quarter - but by no means would I say that he struggled. That’s ridiculous. 

They're saying Allen struggled, not Watson.

[The Dean]

1 hour ago, egd said:

 

Chip on his shoulder?? Won't be over the loss until next season?? New England players get over the loss by the next day, and are onto the next game. I know I am over the loss. I don't let myself become emotionally invested in a game. Josh needs to learn to maintain his focus. The Houston game means nothing.

 

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Stunning stupidity,  even for a newbie on TBD. Well done, sir  Setting a new (low) standard.

 

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[Generic_Bills_Fan]

14 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Allen got extremely lucky. He made some very good throws, but his negative plays outweighed the good. That was a  very bad defense he was facing. 

Does it matter how bad their secondary is when you're giving up instant pressure on a 3 man rush in a max protect lol the bills offense was rolling until the offensive line was getting absolutely whooped every play down the stretch...which has happened in every one of these "josh allen has regressed" type games.  They had 4 linemen with a shot to block one defender on a designed QB run to essentially win the game and nobody did...think that summed up the season perfectly 

[ColoradoBills]

8 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said:

That's where I'm at. I'm not nearly as bullish on Allen as many, but everyone is just gonna have to wait on conclusive answers. Most, if not all of those questions will be answered next season.

 

He is a fine young man that is easy to root for.  I'm sure I have made some excuses for him BUT he is the teams quarterback and that carries

the heaviest of responsibilities.  There was IMO plenty of players and coaches responsible for the good and bad this year, how much is

"discussed" on this board minute by minute but whether Josh Allen gets better or not is the most important.

 

Staying the course and putting the best players and coaching around him is what I think is needed and I'll watch the off season to see

if that happens.  I still think he's got a decent chance of being something special.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

1 minute ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

Does it matter how bad their secondary is when you're giving up instant pressure on a 3 man rush in a max protect lol the bills offense was rolling until the offensive line was getting absolutely whooped every play down the stretch...which has happened in every one of these "josh allen has regressed" type games.  They had 4 linemen with a shot to block one defender on a designed QB run to essentially win the game and nobody did...think that summed up the season perfectly 

There were a few plays the OL let Allen down. Typically this season vs 4 or less they did a good job. I'm not exactly sure why they were confused at times. When lineman are confused it's typically because they're in the wrong protection. Josh Allen has final say on all protection calls. I'm not saying Josh Allen put his line in poor position on plays but it's likely. Cody Ford simply got beat on a couple.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

1 minute ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

There were a few plays the OL let Allen down. Typically this season vs 4 or less they did a good job. I'm not exactly sure why they were confused at times. When lineman are confused it's typically because they're in the wrong protection. Josh Allen has final say on all protection calls. I'm not saying Josh Allen put his line in poor position on plays but it's likely. Cody Ford simply got beat on a couple.

Oh yea no question it would be on him if they were in the wrong protection.  I'd have to rewatch to confirm this which would be torture but yesterday it seemed like it wasnt the wrong protection as much as it was guys couldnt hold blocks down the stretch.  That 4th and 27 play was a disaster where they were in a max protect hail Mary situation and gave up instant pressure...the only option josh really had was to throw the ball away on 4th down which would not exactly be a decision that we celebrated either ?

[BillsFan4]

https://www.buffalobills.com/video/inside-the-locker-room

 

this frank gore interview made me feel a little better. He really spoke highly of this team + coaching staff and thinks this team is destined for great things. He’s been around and knows what it looks like, so his words carry weight IMO. 

[Boatdrinks]

28 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Allen got extremely lucky. He made some very good throws, but his negative plays outweighed the good. That was a  very bad defense he was facing. 

19 th in scoring D. Not great but closer to average than very bad. Bills offensive weapons don’t scare anyone except Daboll. 

[Chandler#81]

33 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

He wanted it for the team and the city and the fans. It was right there. Gut wrenching. 

 

But @egd & @BillsMafi$ say he sucks!? I read it right here! ?‍♂️

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Just now, Boatdrinks said:

19 th in scoring D. Not great but closer to average than very bad. Bills offensive weapons don’t scare anyone except Daboll. 

They don't have to scare people. And Brown's speed does scare defenses. No one on that defense can cover Brown or Beasley. 

[LSHMEAB]

9 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

He is a fine young man that is easy to root for.  I'm sure I have made some excuses for him BUT he is the teams quarterback and that carries

the heaviest of responsibilities.  There was IMO plenty of players and coaches responsible for the good and bad this year, how much is

"discussed" on this board minute by minute but whether Josh Allen gets better or not is the most important.

 

Staying the course and putting the best players and coaching around him is what I think is needed and I'll watch the off season to see

if that happens.  I still think he's got a decent chance of being something special.

Zero doubt about the bolded.

 

 

[Buffalo Junction]

1 hour ago, Whitey13 said:

 

Thanks for telling us the secret to improving. Maybe you should write a book.

He’s just quoting Mr Miyagi and old Wutang movies. 

[muppy]

1 hour ago, egd said:

 

In the twitter quote, Allen says he won't be over the loss until next season. In order to improve, you must clear your mind.

What about “those whom choose to forget past mistakes are doomed to repeat them.” While I believe that he shouldn’t obsess over mistakes if he completely obliterated them from his thinking Then the impetus to learn and react differently is dimmed. I think he has proven himself a capable learner and it will continue and especially with an OC who won’t fail to use the best offensive player on the field in the second half yesterday (motor) to help him feel he doesn’t need to be the hero in all situations. If it were a single interception yes that sort of play put behind you as no one is perfect all the time I get that but not a game like yesterday. 

Edited January 5, 2020 by Margarita

[Boatdrinks]

3 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

They don't have to scare people. And Brown's speed does scare defenses. No one on that defense can cover Brown or Beasley. 

They managed to yesterday. Beasley disappeared pretty much. This offense has been under 20 points per game all year

[Buffalo_Stampede]

1 minute ago, Boatdrinks said:

They managed to yesterday. Beasley disappeared pretty much. This offense has been under 20 points per game all year

They actually average a lot less when making Williams a key part. That's beside the point. Beasley wasn't a part of the game plan, it was obvious.

[Happy]

41 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said:

That's where I'm at. I'm not nearly as bullish on Allen as many, but everyone is just gonna have to wait on conclusive answers. Most, if not all of those questions will be answered next season.

 

Honestly, I'm more bullish on Allen than I am on McDermott.  Josh is a competitor and will learn, not sure I can say the same for McD and his staff.

[Mark Vader]

Just now, Buffalo_Stampede said:

They actually average a lot less when making Williams a key part. That's beside the point. Beasley wasn't a part of the game plan, it was obvious.

There were several times in the second half when Beasley was not on the field at all.

 

Yet we had Patrick DiMarco lined up out wide. Brilliant.

[RaoulDuke79]

12 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said:

But @egd & @BillsMafi$ say he sucks!? I read it right here! ?‍♂️

Dont forget @BullBuchanan and @Nextmanup.  The verdict is in.

[BullBuchanan]

2 minutes ago, RaoulDuke79 said:

Dont forget @BullBuchanan and @Nextmanup.  The verdict is in.

You can take his 69.5 QBR from yesterday and stare at his poster on your wall. I prefer Watson's 121.2

 

The kid sucks.

Edited January 5, 2020 by BullBuchanan

[Shaw66]

2 hours ago, egd said:

 

Chip on his shoulder?? Won't be over the loss until next season?? New England players get over the loss by the next day, and are onto the next game. I know I am over the loss. I don't let myself become emotionally invested in a game. Josh needs to learn to maintain his focus. The Houston game means nothing.

Well, you're right about this, but I think you may be overstating the case.   

 

I don't know how Josh will respond, but good athletes keep the memory of losses in their heads and are motivated by them.   There's a difference between dwelling on losses and being motivated by them.

[RaoulDuke79]

1 minute ago, BullBuchanan said:

You can take his 69.5 QBR from yesterday and stare at his poster on your wall. I prefer Watson's 121.2

 

The kid sucks.

Good for you. Cheer them on through the playoffs. Maybe even join their board.

[LSHMEAB]

3 minutes ago, Happy Gilmore said:

 

Honestly, I'm more bullish on Allen than I am on McDermott.  Josh is a competitor and will learn, not sure I can say the same for McD and his staff.

It's tough to say. It's possible that McD is more conservative than he'd like to be because he doesn't fully trust Allen. Or maybe he's just conservative and it's impeding Allen's progress.

 

I'm personally impressed with McD's track record in terms of maximizing win totals. That's how I judge HC's. Maybe he's not a "champion." Didn't coach like a champion yesterday. But I'm not ready to throw him under the bus and he gets a slight pass given his playoff QB's were Tyrod(good guy, very average QB) and a young JA(good kid, very shaky at times.)

 

We shall see.