Zero in-play penalties called on Houston

[BADOLBILZ]

34 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

The first penalty on ford was really ticky tack too. A lot of helmets get grazed on most plays in the the battle between o-lines and d-lines. It’s never called unless delberate/blatant. It was a big play that killed a drive.

 

 

In fairness you could call a penalty on Ford every other play.

 

He's out of control.

 

The play BEFORE the hands to the face he committed a worse hands to the face penalty that wasn't called!   But on the one that was called he didn't even try to block the guy........his hands went RIGHT to the face.

 

As for this thread...........I agree that it's highly unusual but one of the reasons you want home field is because of that home cooking.

 

Officials are human it's unrealistic at this point to think that they won't get caught up with the home team vibe or that they won't get overzealous with flags late in games to help tighten the score(see the penalties that made the Bills/Ravens game look closer than it was).   

 

[RobbRiddicksTDLeap]

1 minute ago, Conlan58 said:

The return man tossed the ball to the ref... the ref literally had to dodge the ball to be able to make the call that the ball was still live and therefore was a touchdown. We would all be fuming if we were on the other side of that call, regardless of the outcome of the game. 

 

The right call was eventually made.

Again, according to the rules, the ball was still live. 

[dave mcbride]

Just now, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

In fairness you could call a penalty on Ford every other play.

 

He's out of control.

 

The play BEFORE the hands to the face he committed a worse hands to the face penalty that wasn't called!   But on the one that was called he didn't even try to block the guy........his hands went RIGHT to the face.

 

As for this thread...........I agree that it's highly unusual but one of the reasons you want home field is because of that home cooking.

 

Officials are human it's unrealistic at this point to think that they won't get caught up with the home team vibe or that they won't get overzealous with flags late in games to help tighten the score(see the penalties that made the Bills/Ravens game look closer than it was).   

 

Oh yeah — completely agree about home field. 

[QB Bills]

I think it has zero to do with money and everything to do with utter incompetency. This common sense thing is complete trash. A rule is a rule. It doesn't matter what a player meant to do. It's what he did that matters. Josh Allen didn't mean to fumble in the second half. Perhaps they should have reversed that too. 

[Meatloaf63]

2 minutes ago, QB Bills said:

I think it has zero to do with money and everything to do with utter incompetency. This common sense thing is complete trash. A rule is a rule. It doesn't matter what a player meant to do. It's what he did that matters. Josh Allen didn't mean to fumble in the second half. Perhaps they should have reversed that too. 

Exactly, I was just thinking the same thing. The refs are not there to decide intent, but to enforce the rules as written.

[Conlan58]

4 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

The ball was tipped AND Allen was being contacted and his arm restricted. Read the rules before you spout off.

I have yet to see a replay zoomed in and slowed down enough to show the ball actually being tipped. Yes the defender made an attempt to block the pass, but I don't see it clearly being tipped. Allen being contacted has nothing to do with whether or not you can call intentional grounding... numerous grounding calls are made every year with defenders draped all over the QB if it is warranted. 

 

I refuse to give Daboll or McDermott a pass by directing blame toward the officials in this one. 

[BADOLBILZ]

Just now, dave mcbride said:

Oh yeah — completely agree about home field. 

 

 

2019 AFC playoff teams not from Buffalo versus New England:   4-0

 

The Bills lost this game in December when they couldn't take care of business at home or even the ledger against a fading rival.

 

If the Bills were at home I fully expect we'd have gotten the same home cooking........I don't believe there was any conspiracy it's simply the basic flaw of 100% all-the-time unsatisfactory NFL officiating.

[NewEra]

Is anyone really surprised by this?  It was a given and played out exactly as we knew it would.  2 false starts.  Lol

[JinxedBill]

I was posting this during the game and after.  Bills get penalties when they have sustained drives. That’s the difference. 

 

Its not the amount although its blatant here, it’s when the penalties are called. Like holding that can be called on pretty much every play.

 

The other team gets penalties but they are never drive killers at the worst time(during the season)

Edited January 5, 2020 by JinxedBill

[thebandit27]

9 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

In fairness you could call a penalty on Ford every other play.

 

He's out of control.

 

The play BEFORE the hands to the face he committed a worse hands to the face penalty that wasn't called!   But on the one that was called he didn't even try to block the guy........his hands went RIGHT to the face.

 

As for this thread...........I agree that it's highly unusual but one of the reasons you want home field is because of that home cooking.

 

Officials are human it's unrealistic at this point to think that they won't get caught up with the home team vibe or that they won't get overzealous with flags late in games to help tighten the score(see the penalties that made the Bills/Ravens game look closer than it was).   

 

Yep. What got me more rankled in terms of officiating was that they caught the blindside block but not a critical holding on the 3rd and 18.

 

Oh well, not why they lost. There’s about 10 other plays that make that list first.

4 minutes ago, Conlan58 said:

I have yet to see a replay zoomed in and slowed down enough to show the ball actually being tipped. Yes the defender made an attempt to block the pass, but I don't see it clearly being tipped. Allen being contacted has nothing to do with whether or not you can call intentional grounding... numerous grounding calls are made every year with defenders draped all over the QB if it is warranted. 

 

I refuse to give Daboll or McDermott a pass by directing blame toward the officials in this one. 

It was tipped, pretty clear.

 

And yes, the rules specifically state that contact that significantly impedes the QB from making a throw toward an eligible receiver negates an IG call.

 

And yes, it’s absolutely NOT the reason that they lost.

Edited January 5, 2020 by thebandit27

[Mikie2times]

34 minutes ago, RobbRiddicksTDLeap said:

It’s like in Casino when they break down the “eye in the sky”. And just like in the count room, everyone turns a blind eye to the skim. 
 

The money line was 2.5, Texans won and covered the spread. How many millions were won? 
 

Point manipulation is a lot easier than people think in close games. I am not ashamed to say that I firmly believe that the NFL willfully takes part in its games being tampered with for betting purposes.
 

It’s fine if you don’t, but I do. 

It was Texans -2.5, with 55% of the money on Buffalo. Most the season, action has been against Buffalo until after the Dallas game. So I get your theory and all, but how does it work? Do the refs/NFL always want who to win? The house, public, more popular team? Curious how this works.  Certainly can't be the most popular team. That would kill the house and those are usually favorites. 

[HappyDays]

55 minutes ago, Conlan58 said:

The call on Ford was rough, but according to the rule book, was a correct call.

 

By the same logic we scored a TD on that kickoff. If they wanted to use "common sense" rules I get it, but be consistent with it. This is what kills me about the NFL. It's impossible in the moment to know if anything is a penalty, or if any call will stand. It shouldn't be difficult for a multibillion dollar organization to fix it. Which begs the question, why haven't they fixed it?

[RobbRiddicksTDLeap]

1 minute ago, KzooMike said:

It was Texans -2.5, with 55% of the money on Buffalo. Most the season, action has been against Buffalo until after the Dallas game. So I get your theory and all, but how does it work? Do the refs/NFL always want who to win? The house, public, more popular team? Curious how this works.  Certainly can't be the most popular team. That would kill the house and those are usually favorites. 

I’m not a bookie, but it seems like anyone who put money on Buffalo winning, lost. Thats more money for the bookies?

 

It seems like it’s easier to get a ref to make a game changing call at any point in the game to keep it close, than it would be create a league wide conspiracy to keep certain teams down. Give the Texans an advantage, and if they run with it, someone makes a lot of money. 

[Tcali]

39 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

Worst I have ever been subjected too, and it wasn’t close.  And how about MacFarland’s idiotic playcalling advice — saying the Bills should run a draw with 15 seconds to go In the game and no timeouts on third down and then spiking it. 

Yep that was a doozy!!!...Also the first down on the challenge of Beasely.Obvious 1st down because the knee hit before he was touched---They touched him afterward in air and he landed where he had enough for the first.The 2 announcers just couldnt get their heads around that.

[RobbRiddicksTDLeap]

11 minutes ago, Meatloaf63 said:

Exactly, I was just thinking the same thing. The refs are not there to decide intent, but to enforce the rules as written.

You can take this comment one step further and suppose that a referee decision on intent, can and does impact the outcome and betting. 

[RiotAct]

43 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

The convergence of alienating bias and utter stupidity. Thanks ESPN, it's why you're so beloved around the country.

at least they didn’t virtue-signal! 

[dave mcbride]

6 minutes ago, Tcali said:

Yep that was a doozy!!!...Also the first down on the challenge of Beasely.Obvious 1st down because the knee hit before he was touched---They touched him afterward in air and he landed where he had enough for the first.The 2 announcers just couldnt get their heads around that.

Indeed, that was freaking obvious. It was as if they couldn’t apply the basic idea of a runner going down but getting up and running again because he was untouched to that particular situation.

[BADOLBILZ]

18 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

Yep. What got me more rankled in terms of officiating was that they caught the blindside block but not a critical holding on the 3rd and 18.

 

 

 

These officials watch video to prepare.    You can't expect them to come into the game with zero expectations.   They know Ford is a serial offender so the flag is half out their pocket for him on every play.   I mean after you get away with one hands to the face do you not think the Texans are bitching and you can't do it again the next play??  

 

Real bummer that Nsekhe wasn't healthy.    Ford was a bigger liability at RT than Jordan Mills had been.   Unreal they were so obsessed with getting that guy.   Did they not interview him and realize he is dumb as a box of rocks?   And you plug him into THIS offense?   Really?   Gotdamn!

Edited January 5, 2020 by BADOLBILZ

[Scott7975]

Yeah, I find it hard to believe the Texans played pretty much a completely clean game.  I like the fact that the refs let these guys play but it wasn't an even called game and I don't like that.  If they are going to call ticky tacky stuff then they need to call it both ways.  Also they missed a delay of game by a mile and the call in the second half kickoff was wrong.

 

Don't worry Bills fans.  They will make up for it next week when the Texans get flagged to death. They will be a team that played a completely clean game one week and a totally undisciplined one the next.

Edited January 5, 2020 by Scott7975

[Motorin']

1 hour ago, thebandit27 said:

There were at least 2 missed holding calls.

 

Also, I have no idea how either IG or illegal touching gets called on a batted pass, let alone both.

 

Regardless if the ball was batted, three defenders had Josh wrapped up and moving backs, falling on his ass. He that been Singelatary that caught the ball, it certainly would have been ruled "in the grasp." The play should have been ruled a sack. No penalty yards should have been assessed. 

[Coach Tuesday]

9 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

These officials watch video to prepare.    You can't expect them to come into the game with zero expectations.   They know Ford is a serial offender so the flag is half out their pocket for him on every play.   I mean after you get away with one hands to the face do you not think the Texans are bitching and you can't do it again the next play??  

 

Real bummer that Nsekhe wasn't healthy.    Ford was a bigger liability at RT than Jordan Mills had been.   Unreal they were so obsessed with getting that guy.   Did they not interview him and realize he is dumb as a box of rocks?   And you plug him into THIS offense?   Really?   Gotdamn!

He was reported to have high intelligence coming out.  He’s just incredibly heavy-footed and this regime is stubborn to a fault.  You have to Peterman yourself out of the lineup if you’re one of “their guys” and even that takes multiple games/seasons of suckitude.

 

But you’re 100% right about that play he did it the play before, wasn’t called, then punched the guy in the facemask with both hands off the snap the very next play!

Edited January 5, 2020 by Coach Tuesday

[snafu]

1 hour ago, dave mcbride said:

There were five called in all: 2 on Tunsil for false starts, 2 deliberate delay of game penalties on punts, and the offsetting post-play PFs after the Hopkins fumble and recovery by the Bills (and I don’t know why Hughes was called for anything; he seemed to be on the periphery of that scrum). Given the offset, they were penalized only 4 times for 20 yards. Only 2 - the false starts upon Tunsil - negatively affected them.
 

Anyway, the Texans racked up zero in-play penalties in a really long game filled with crazy plays. Zero in a what was essentially a five-quarter game. Call me suspicious. 
 

The Bills had a garden-variety 7 penalties called for 64 yards (6 penalties were called in regulation, I think, which is normal). Ford was flagged twice, and both were very ticky tack. The hands to the face call only seems to get called when the facemask is clearly held or the hand pushes the chin up hard and deliberately. Ford barely grazed The defender, and it wasn’t intentional. 

 

I try not to complain about officiating because calls go both ways (like Beasley’s first down on the drive to tie the game).

In this game, though, there were several head scratchers.  The play before Ford’s penalty, Allen ran out of bounds and got hit helmet to helmet (can’t find it on a replay).  His chinstrap was up by the bridge of his nose.  Ford’s blindside block penalty was a terrible call.  

 

And to top it off, the Houston 3rd and 18 where the play clock ran out.  Why in this day and age does the referee not have a buzzer or some other signal in his headset for the play clock?  Every high school gym uses a buzzer when time runs out. The NFL can’t do that?

[LittleSammy]

I am surprised it took this long for the expected "the refs screwed the Bills" thread to appear. The bottom line is this team was up 16-0 with a quarter and a half left in the game and totally imploded to hand the game to Houston.

[Coach Tuesday]

I can’t get too worked up about the officiating - didn’t feel we deserved to win and got jobbed - we were a Bill O’Brien mouth-breath away from losing in regulation.

[Bermuda Triangle]

1 hour ago, dave mcbride said:

There were five called in all: 2 on Tunsil for false starts, 2 deliberate delay of game penalties on punts, and the offsetting post-play PFs after the Hopkins fumble and recovery by the Bills (and I don’t know why Hughes was called for anything; he seemed to be on the periphery of that scrum). Given the offset, they were penalized only 4 times for 20 yards. Only 2 - the false starts upon Tunsil - negatively affected them.
 

Anyway, the Texans racked up zero in-play penalties in a really long game filled with crazy plays. Zero in a what was essentially a five-quarter game. Call me suspicious. 
 

The Bills had a garden-variety 7 penalties called for 64 yards (6 penalties were called in regulation, I think, which is normal). Ford was flagged twice, and both were very ticky tack. The hands to the face call only seems to get called when the facemask is clearly held or the hand pushes the chin up hard and deliberately. Ford barely grazed The defender, and it wasn’t intentional. 

I mentioned the conspicuous absence of post-snap penalties against Houston yesterday in the post-game thread.  Amazing that Houston didn't commit a single post-snap infraction in nearly 75:00 of game time.

 

I would have loved to have seen a replay of the Hughes PF as well.

 

Garbage officiating yesterday, which is par for the course for the NFL,

[snafu]

45 minutes ago, Conlan58 said:

I appreciate you linking this. I thought the way it was explained last night was enough to justify a call in that situation (Ford facing his own end zone). By rule, I can see why it was called. As a Bills fan, I could clearly see Ford making a play to stop a defender in pursuit of Allen from making a play and think it was a play that the refs should have let the players play. I can argue both sides, but I feel the Bills had a prime opportunity to put this game well out of reach numerous times. 

 

I totally agree with the bolder part, but since the Bills didn’t put the game away, it was tied and in overtime, and that’s when close or bad calls have an incredible impact on the game. You started by saying that you thought the refs did a good job “letting them play”. The Ford call is a great example of the exact opposite. 

 

 

[Bermuda Triangle]

1 hour ago, Conlan58 said:

I actually think for the most part they did a good job of letting the players play. The call on Ford was rough, but according to the rule book, was a correct call. I think that was the only instance that they neglected to let the players play. 

 

Even that challenge for PI could have gone either way, but they let it slide even though Hopkins was wrapped up with the left hand as the right hand knocked the ball away.

 

 

Could have just as easily been OPI on Hopkins.

 

Also, per the rule book, the call on Ford was incorrect,

[dave mcbride]

15 minutes ago, snafu said:

 

I try not to complain about officiating because calls go both ways (like Beasley’s first down on the drive to tie the game).

In this game, though, there were several head scratchers.  The play before Ford’s penalty, Allen ran out of bounds and got hit helmet to helmet (can’t find it on a replay).  His chinstrap was up by the bridge of his nose.  Ford’s blindside block penalty was a terrible call.  

 

And to top it off, the Houston 3rd and 18 where the play clock ran out.  Why in this day and age does the referee not have a buzzer or some other signal in his headset for the play clock?  Every high school gym uses a buzzer when time runs out. The NFL can’t do that?

The first down given to Beasley was unquestionably and obviously correct. In the NFL, if you go down, you can get back up and continue forward progress unless you are touched while down. His knee went down, and he went airborne before being touched. It was as clear as day to everyone who knows nfl rules except the two numbskulls announcing the game for ESPN. 

Edited January 5, 2020 by dave mcbride

[snafu]

12 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

I can’t get too worked up about the officiating - didn’t feel we deserved to win and got jobbed - we were a Bill O’Brien mouth-breath away from losing in regulation.

 

This is true.  He really gifted us the opportunity to tie the game. What a dope that guy is.

 

 

2 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

The first down given to Beasley was unquestionably and obviously correct. In the NFL, if you go down, you can get back up and continue forward progress unless you are touched while down. His knee went down, and he went airborne before being touched. It was as clear as day to everyone who knows nfl rules except the two numbskulls announcing the game for ESPN. 

 

I understand that.  I just thought he landed the second time short of the first down. Not the first knee touch. Granted, I was pretty delirious at that point. 

 

 

 

[dave mcbride]

4 minutes ago, snafu said:

 

This is true.  He really gifted us the opportunity to tie the game. What a dope that guy is.

 

 

 

I understand that.  I just thought he landed the second time short of the first down. Not the first knee touch. Granted, I was pretty delirious at that point. 

 

 

 

He got it. It was close, but officials tend to spot it on the hash line if it’s really close, especially if the clock is ticking and they don’t want to delay the game.

Edited January 5, 2020 by dave mcbride

[BADOLBILZ]

21 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

He was reported to have high intelligence coming out.  He’s just incredibly heavy-footed and this regime is stubborn to a fault.  You have to Peterman yourself out of the lineup if you’re one of “their guys” and even that takes multiple games/seasons of suckitude.

 

But you’re 100% right about that play he did it the play before, wasn’t called, then punched the guy in the facemask with both hands off the snap the very next play!

 

 

Unfortunately emotional intelligence must not be part of the McBeane equation.     He's always had a history for getting out of control and doing stupid things.   On the field he is in the top 5% of dumb players.   He didn't hurt my point when he immediately went on social media last night.   I mean that was even dumber than if he'd gone back to the face on a THIRD play in a row.   Move him to guard and take the L McBeane.

[Coach Tuesday]

Just now, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Unfortunately emotional intelligence must not be part of the McBeane equation.     He's always had a history for getting out of control and doing stupid things.   On the field he is in the top 5% of dumb players.   He didn't hurt my point when he immediately went on social media last night.   I mean that was even dumber than if he'd gone back to the face on a THIRD play in a row.   Move him to guard and take the L McBeane.

Yeah fighting with fans after making the two or three worst, most decisive errors of the game, is a bad look.  He may just be smart but mentally week - he’s starting to remind me of Jonathan Martin.

[Buffalo_Gal]

1 hour ago, pennstate10 said:

Actually, according to the rule book, the call on Ford was wrong. 

Look at Mike Periera twitter for an explanation 

 

 

[Jay_Fixit]

1 hour ago, goldenboy81 said:

I always tell everyone the Bills have to beat the team and the refs every week.. it's a shame

I’m sure everyone really listens.

[BADOLBILZ]

1 minute ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

 

 

 

 

Yep and IMO any of the other 4 Bills OL make that block there is no flag.

 

You get a reputation for cheap shots you don't get the benefit of the doubt.

[Albwan]

I think there's enough evidence to at least consider the nfl through ref proxies 

control the desired outcome of games.

[Livinginthepast]

56 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

By the same logic we scored a TD on that kickoff. If they wanted to use "common sense" rules I get it, but be consistent with it. This is what kills me about the NFL. It's impossible in the moment to know if anything is a penalty, or if any call will stand. It shouldn't be difficult for a multibillion dollar organization to fix it. Which begs the question, why haven't they fixed it?

They can fix it easily by having their officials in the booth overrule really bad calls or give the coaches the ability to challenge any penalty (at least once) in the game.  Or they could do what they did yesterday and have those black shirted mystery officials talk to the official on the field out of the call and make him an offer he cannot refuse.

[LABILLBACKER]

2 hours ago, Meatloaf63 said:

When a qB gets sacked 6 times and there never once was There a holding call, that’s a big red flag. There should be an investigation into why Hughs never gets the call. It’s obvious that he has been black balled by the officiating for standing up against one of there brothers. Every play should be reviewed of his and offenders should be fined. 

Hughes was held and tackled on the 3rd & 18. The so called Ford blindside was clearly the worst call in the game.  It didn't matter. The NFL was drooling over another week of a JJ narrative. At this point Jerry will never get calls because of his history and that's all the more reason to move on from him. As for controversy,  it's the  Bills. They rarely get calls over teams that have marketable ad revenue  generating stars. 

[zow2]

Watch the remaining 9 playoff games.  There will be some horrible and dreadful calls and non-calls. It happened to the Bills yesterday.  It happens in nearly every game. It’s not right... it just is.

 

watch Houston at KC next week.  I bet the Texans rack up 7 or 8 penalties and some will be ticky tack. And their fans will be crying about it on Sunday night when they get pounded by KC.

[May Day 10]

On one of houston's big 3rd down plays, there was a blatant block in the back right in view of everyone.  It was on philips i think