GoBills808 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 22 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: But it’s actually not. DBs make those plays all the time. Deandre hopkins makes that catch, but he’s one of two all pros. Not many of those. No bro those were alligator arms 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 F Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 5 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: No bro those were alligator arms “Alligator arms” refers to when a player doesn’t extend his arms in order to avoid a hit. That’s not what happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 4 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: “Alligator arms” refers to when a player doesn’t extend his arms in order to avoid a hit. That’s not what happened. Mmm I remember his attempt at the catch looked super weird Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 3 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: Mmm I remember his attempt at the catch looked super weird It was weird but not alligator arms Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 C- 1st half may have been his best start ever, but that 2nd half was a complete meltdown after the Watt sack. Someone needed to give him a Valium because he lost his mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Seems like a lot of personal vendettas coming out in this thread. JA inexperience showed and a he made a few very poor decisions , but the game was available to be won. His mistakes weren’t killers. He did cost them 3 points, but other aspects cost them far more. At times JA made the play, but the WR didn’t. At times the OC was astonishingly bad. At times the HC and DC were too conservative to win. All these things conspired, but Allen was about a C overall in this game. A in the first half and D in the second. Still should be reveling in a ( somewhat closer than necessary ) Bills playoff victory. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 (edited) C Played great in the first half. Lots of “wow” moments and “wtf” moments in the second half. I tend to believe the coaches thinking “get up 2 scores = win the game” put us in situations that hurt everyone, including Allen, leading to the erratic play we saw once Houston came back. Edited January 5, 2020 by SCBills 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebert19 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Honestly he made it a close game with some misses but he saved us with some ridiculous plays. People forget that. He was a B from me and I have no doubt hes the franchise. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 1 minute ago, Hebert19 said: Honestly he made it a close game with some misses but he saved us with some ridiculous plays. People forget that. He was a B from me and I have no doubt hes the franchise. Same for me 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reader Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 C- for the game A as a receiver A+ in my heart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comebackkid Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 id still give him a B- he did some really great things and some really stupid things but over all he still made a lot of plays. Also he wasnt always put in the best situations. over all when i think of this team i think its like, when your playing a super intense game when everything seems like its going a million miles an hr and your doing so well but then your brain like becomes overwhelmed thinking how your going to keep it up with out screwing up...that to me is the Bills anytime they get the lead..its like that success scares them and they dont know what to do and then they start overthinking things and then they start to fall apart and so they panic. This is Dbolls play calling especially but the entire team shows this as a whole a lot of times. the biggest reason for the loss is the same as all year really. we cant play efficient smart football for 4 qtrs. Thats offense, defense and coaching that are all responsible 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 (edited) I purposely waited over night for this. I watched the other games and came to the conclusion that Josh is a B and Watson is an A-. The bad plays were overstated and he got a 16-0 lead and put up 356 yards without an interception. He did fumble and wasn't perfect, but after watching how other playoff teams support their QBs (let alone a young, inexperienced one) I raised my grade from the C+ I was thinking last night. Don't get me going on the play to win with 16 pts. coaching and lack of playmakers they've given us. Watch Hopkins, Theilen, Thomas etc. and it is hard not feel jealous. There are others. Edited January 6, 2020 by D. L. Hot-Flamethrower 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 20 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Yes he isn't very good. He should have caught that ball. He didn't because he isn't very good. Offense needs to move Ford to guard and sign a truly capable RT (Conklin or Beluga), they need to replace Gore with a young hammer, and they absolutely need a big, fast, true #1WR. Those upgrades and Josh Allen making a leap next year comparable to what he accomplished this year would equal an offense capable of matching the D in level of consistent play. Wanted Metcalf in the second and in retrospect, hard to argue he wouldn't have been a better choice than Ford. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Just now, Dr. Who said: Offense needs to move Ford to guard and sign a truly capable RT (Conklin or Beluga), they need to replace Gore with a young hammer, and they absolutely need a big, fast, true #1WR. Those upgrades and Josh Allen making a leap next year comparable to what he accomplished this year would equal an offense capable of matching the D in level of consistent play. Wanted Metcalf in the second and in retrospect, hard to argue he wouldn't have been a better choice than Ford. All of this is right. AJ Brown would have been an even better pick. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaaadThingsMan Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 They put too much on Josh. Should have kept running Motor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 1 minute ago, BaaadThingsMan said: They put too much on Josh. Should have kept running Motor. They definitely should. I thought they had a really good balance first half. It was that pass and gimmicks to set up the traditional running game. I liked that there were at least three maybe four pass on first down and run on second down combos. I have been calling for more of that all year. 2nd half I am not sure what happened. Did the game scenario get to them? I don't know but they lost their balance. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 20 hours ago, dave mcbride said: The db got his hand in there before it hit his hands. It wasn’t PI, however. look — at the end of the day, williams is a undrafted street free agent/practice squad guy who was playing in canada. He’s not great and performed about as well as could be hoped for. I call this a drop. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Just now, GoBills808 said: I call this a drop. Yeah, should have caught it. It just wasn’t a stevie johnson “i praise you 24-7 and this is what i get?” situation.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 1 minute ago, dave mcbride said: Yeah, should have caught it. It just wasn’t a stevie johnson “i praise you 24-7 and this is what i get?” situation.. Yeh I gotcha, you see what I meant by alligator arms tho right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 20 hours ago, GunnerBill said: But Duke never had it. If he had it and the DB knocked it out I would be more sympathetic. That is just a bad drop. Duke did have it. That view doesn't show it well. Im sure there will be a better view of it eventually. I remember watching the replay. He had it most of the way just didn't complete when he came down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 21 hours ago, Binghamton Beast said: That lateral he made on the last drive in regulation may have been the dumbest play I’ve ever witnessed in my 47 years of watching football. And it mattered zero. Can anyone else cry about this play some more ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 2 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: Yeh I gotcha, you see what I meant by alligator arms tho right See #10, which is infamous in Philly: https://bleacherreport.com/articles/85694-the-10-worst-moments-in-philadelphia-eagles-history-since-1968. It’s the most famous alligator arm episode in NFL history. That’s not what duke did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 12 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: I call this a drop. It was a drop. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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VW82 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 B- Overall he gave Houston too many chances to turn the ball over and it eventually burned us, but he also kept drives moving for most of the game and gave our defense the chance to win in the 4th (and they didn't). The play that sticks out to me is 3rd and 6 with 9:40 left in the 4th. Josh has Duke open on the crossing route over the middle but waits too long to throw and Watt gets a piece of his arm. Incomplete, three and out. This came after the Watt sack to kill the TD drive and the fumble on the previous series. The QB has to bounce back in that spot and Josh didn't. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorkScrewHill Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 22 hours ago, coastalpika said: F I could have selected nearly anyone .. but good God an F. Josh Allen at the end of the first round of the playoffs will have the second most passing yards and by far the most rushing yards of any starting QB + the most receiving yards of any starting QB ... but let's dig deeper. I pulled the stats for the first playoff game of some of the great current QBs and many HOFers. I did not cherry pick .. I was actually surprised on the comparison. Player Passing Yds TD Int Rushing Yds Total Yds Age Peyton Manning 227 0 0 11 238 23.3 Drew Brees 319 1 1 17 336 25.4 Tom Brady 312 0 1 16 328 24.2 Jim Kelly 244 0 1 18 262 28.3 Aaron Rodgers 423 4 1 13 436 26 Josh Allen 264 0 0 92 356 23.2 Lamar Jackson 194 2 1 54 248 21.4 Ben Roethlisburger 181 1 2 30 211 22.3 Joe Montana 304 2 1 -9 295 25.2 Dan Marino 193 2 2 0 193 22.1 Patrick Mahomes 278 0 0 8 286 23.1 Cam Newton 267 1 2 54 321 24.2 Deshaun Watson 235 1 1 76 311 23.1 Mayfield, Darnold, Rosen TBD Josh was second in total yards. Investigate for yourself. Maybe I missed someone .. but seriously a little perspective would be good. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 22 hours ago, Maine-iac said: Some are blaming Daboll (and it might be him), some are blaming the OL ( and certainly at times it looks like them), and some are blaming Allen but one thing is for certain people are shooting into the backfield completely unblocked altogether too aften. When he sees a rush coming on a drop back he's ok. He has a bit of a fumble problem with guys washing around from behind him but when people come in unblocked he just loses his mind. There wasn’t a jail break when he threw to his FB into double coverage. There was no jail break when he tried that head scratcher of a lateral. Josh is unpredictable currently. Unpredictably good and unpredictably bad at times. At some point he will become predictable and he’ll either be our franchise QB or he’ll be out of the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 Just now, Mango said: There wasn’t a jail break when he threw to his FB into double coverage. There was no jail break when he tried that head scratcher of a lateral. Josh is unpredictable currently. Unpredictably good and unpredictably bad at times. At some point he will become predictable and he’ll either be our franchise QB or he’ll be out of the league. There was also no one open. They showed the QB view on that play. He could’ve ran I suppose. Definitely shouldn’t have thrown that, but like McDermott said... he tried to do too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 Just now, SCBills said: There was also no one open. They showed the QB view on that play. He could’ve ran I suppose. Definitely shouldn’t have thrown that, but like McDermott said... he tried to do too much. Brown did come open. Josh just needed to wait half a second longer. I have the screenshot if someone can explain to me how to post it. I do see why he threw it because there was a free defender but I think it was an example of where having been hit so much late in the game had rushed his internal clock a touch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOVEMESOMEBILLS Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 12 minutes ago, CorkScrewHill said: I could have selected nearly anyone .. but good God an F. Josh Allen at the end of the first round of the playoffs will have the second most passing yards and by far the most rushing yards of any starting QB + the most receiving yards of any starting QB ... but let's dig deeper. I pulled the stats for the first playoff game of some of the great current QBs and many HOFers. I did not cherry pick .. I was actually surprised on the comparison. Player Passing Yds TD Int Rushing Yds Total Yds Age Peyton Manning 227 0 0 11 238 23.3 Drew Brees 319 1 1 17 336 25.4 Tom Brady 312 0 1 16 328 24.2 Jim Kelly 244 0 1 18 262 28.3 Aaron Rodgers 423 4 1 13 436 26 Josh Allen 264 0 0 92 356 23.2 Lamar Jackson 194 2 1 54 248 21.4 Ben Roethlisburger 181 1 2 30 211 22.3 Joe Montana 304 2 1 -9 295 25.2 Dan Marino 193 2 2 0 193 22.1 Patrick Mahomes 278 0 0 8 286 23.1 Cam Newton 267 1 2 54 321 24.2 Deshaun Watson 235 1 1 76 311 23.1 Mayfield, Darnold, Rosen TBD Josh was second in total yards. Investigate for yourself. Maybe I missed someone .. but seriously a little perspective would be good. Why does he not get credit for the 16 yard TD catch? 9 minutes ago, SCBills said: There was also no one open. They showed the QB view on that play. He could’ve ran I suppose. Definitely shouldn’t have thrown that, but like McDermott said... he tried to do too much. Shouldn't have thrown to the FB? There was no one open and if the FB doesn't jump 3 years too early, he catches that ball. He was on his way down when the ball got to him. He could've ran, but the Texans had a guy spying on him that play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maine-iac Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 15 minutes ago, CorkScrewHill said: I could have selected nearly anyone .. but good God an F. Josh Allen at the end of the first round of the playoffs will have the second most passing yards and by far the most rushing yards of any starting QB + the most receiving yards of any starting QB ... but let's dig deeper. I pulled the stats for the first playoff game of some of the great current QBs and many HOFers. I did not cherry pick .. I was actually surprised on the comparison. Player Passing Yds TD Int Rushing Yds Total Yds Age Peyton Manning 227 0 0 11 238 23.3 Drew Brees 319 1 1 17 336 25.4 Tom Brady 312 0 1 16 328 24.2 Jim Kelly 244 0 1 18 262 28.3 Aaron Rodgers 423 4 1 13 436 26 Josh Allen 264 0 0 92 356 23.2 Lamar Jackson 194 2 1 54 248 21.4 Ben Roethlisburger 181 1 2 30 211 22.3 Joe Montana 304 2 1 -9 295 25.2 Dan Marino 193 2 2 0 193 22.1 Patrick Mahomes 278 0 0 8 286 23.1 Cam Newton 267 1 2 54 321 24.2 Deshaun Watson 235 1 1 76 311 23.1 Mayfield, Darnold, Rosen TBD Josh was second in total yards. Investigate for yourself. Maybe I missed someone .. but seriously a little perspective would be good. Probably most of those are losses also. First time in the playoffs I'm not down on Allen or his play in general but we could have won. https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2019/01/09/nfl-qbs-making-their-first-playoff-starts-have-mostly-stumbled-will-patrick-mahomes/?arc404=true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Allen is not the one Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 23 hours ago, jrober38 said: D His situational awareness is horrible. He still struggles with the basics. There are splash plays, but ultimately 19 points, 1 TD, another QB rating below 70 and multiple fumbles (1 lost) aren't good enough. Your being to harsh man. I'd say he earns a D+. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
london_bills Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 JOSH ALLEN. 50% franchise QB. 50% CHEVY CHASE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 There's NO way you can pin this loss on Allen. Did he play a great game? No. But he did play a solid game and I give him a B-. He had 372 total yards and made a lot more good to excellent plays then bad plays. He scored a TD and lost a fumble so the TD/TO's evened out. He led the Bills on 3 long first half drives putting us up 13 - 0 at half. He had a rough patch in the 4th quarter but pulled himself together to lead us to a game tying FG. And in his only OT possession Allen looked sharp and was leading us downfield for the winning FG until on a QB sweep THREE O-linemen couldn't get a block on ONE defender turning what should have been a 20 yard run into FG range into a nasty head shot on Allen for no gain. And then on the very next play Ford was flagged for a ticky tack penalty that cost us 15 yards. Of course we'll never know if given another chance Allen could have moved us into FG range because Watson converted a 3rd & 18 in marching his team 70 yards for the game winning FG. The loss to Houston was a classic TEAM loss. No one person or unit was responsible. Every player and every unit performed brilliantly at times and poorly at other times. And ditto for the coaching. But if I was forced to make a list of those responsible for the loss starting at the top with those most responsible down to the bottom with those least responsible Allen would be a lot closer to the bottom then he would be to the top. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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