Ravens @ Bills ****Predict the score****

[LamarJackson2052]

41 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

OH, now we're coming to something.  What was that "completely different defense" you had out there vs the Browns and Chiefs vs now?

I see a lot of the same names, so it's clearly not completely different.  How bout tell us why you feel Clark for Jefferson at SS and Peters for Car at CB makes such a difference?

And what about the churn in the LB corps?

 

Uhhh, it’s been a huge difference..... we don’t have receivers running wide open any more on blown coverages with Clark back there Quarterbacking the defense. Have you seen what Peters has done for our defense since we traded for him? 3 ints and 2 TDS. Josh Bynes has played great for us at the inside linebacker spot as far as run defense and overall knowledge of the playbook assignments. Same can be said for Clark

Edited December 4, 2019 by LamarJackson2052

[section122]

27-20 Buffalo

[Dr.Mantis_Toboggan]

24-20..... Daaaaaaaaa Bills!

[Big Gun]

28-14 Bills

 

Jackson has his worst day as a pro, book it!

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, LamarJackson2052 said:

Uhhh, it’s been a huge difference..... we don’t have receivers running wide open any more on blown coverages with Clark back there Quarterbacking the defense. Have you seen what Peters has done for our defense since we traded for him? 3 ints and 2 TDS. Josh Bynes has played great for us at the inside linebacker spot as far as run defense and overall knowledge of the playbook assignments. Same can be said for Clark

 

OK, so you're saying it's a completely different defense because you have 2 better players in the secondary?

 

I don't watch every Ravens game, not a Ravens fan sorry.

 

What does having Skura go to IR at Center mean for the Ravens?  Will they go with Bozeman or is his ankle questionable enough?

[Buffalo Junction]

3 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Hopefully it is something that McDermott has put together a package on and taken to the league.

I imagine that it’s been brought up to the league. It’s not something I can picture McD and Beane ignoring. My fear is that the refs don’t care. 

[Bills4everNY]

28-23 Bills

[hemma]

34-21 Bills.

Edmunds with a pick.

Bills outrush Ravens.

[eball]

39 minutes ago, Bills4everNY said:

28-23 Bills

 

If the Bills are going to win I expect a score like this.  Can't really predict they'll hold Baltimore under 20.

[LJs Bodyguard]

45-10 Ravens. Lamar throws for 3 TDs, runs for 2 more and gets himself benched again in the 4th quarter for the 5th time this year. Ravens have the best secondary in football. To put things in perspective...Marcus Peters is our #3 corner. Marlon Humphrey is our #1 and Jimmy Smith is our #2. Josh Allen gets coverage sacked 6 or 7 times.

[Steptide]

I say 20-17 Ravens. I just don't think we can beat the Ravens at this point. Think the bills will keep it close though. Hope I'm wrong 

[Logic]

22 minutes ago, LJs Bodyguard said:

45-10 Ravens. Lamar throws for 3 TDs, runs for 2 more and gets himself benched again in the 4th quarter for the 5th time this year. Ravens have the best secondary in football. To put things in perspective...Marcus Peters is our #3 corner. Marlon Humphrey is our #1 and Jimmy Smith is our #2. Josh Allen gets coverage sacked 6 or 7 times.

You can come in here with your freshly created account and spout lots of nonsense.

One thing you can NOT say, though, is that the Ravens have the best secondary in football. The Bills have the 3rd ranked pass defense in the NFL. The Ravens? 13th. Nice try.

By the way: I'm sure if the Ravens lose, you'll be sticking around on Monday to talk about it, right? ? 

Trolls gonna troll.

Edited December 4, 2019 by Logic

[LJs Bodyguard]

3 minutes ago, Logic said:

You can come in here with your freshly created account and spout lots of nonsense.

One thing you can NOT say, though, is that the Ravens have the best secondary in football. The Bills have the 3rd ranked pass defense in the NFL. The Ravens? 13th. Nice try.

By the way: I'm sure if the Ravens lose, you'll be sticking around on Monday to talk about it, right? ? 

Trolls gonna troll.

I'm going by how they have played since the Marcus Peters trade. That defense has gone through a lot of personnel changes since that Cleveland debacle. 2 new Middle Linebackers, 2 new Defensive Lineman, 1 new DE, a different starting safety, and Jimmy Smith coming back from injury.

[Logic]

Just now, LJs Bodyguard said:

I'm going by how they have played since the Marcus Peters trade. That defense has gone through a lot of personnel changes since that Cleveland debacle. 2 new Middle Linebackers, 2 new Defensive Lineman, 1 new DE, a different starting safety, and Jimmy Smith coming back from injury.

Fair enough.

Saying "the Ravens secondary is very good" or "the Ravens secondary has three excellent corners and two great safeties" is one thing.

Coming onto the message board of the team with the 3rd ranked pass defense to state that your 13th ranked pass defense is the "best secondary in the league" is just, well...it's inaccurate fan hyperbole at best, trolling at worst.

[Rocket94]

7 minutes ago, Logic said:

You can come in here with your freshly created account and spout lots of nonsense.

One thing you can NOT say, though, is that the Ravens have the best secondary in football. The Bills have the 3rd ranked pass defense in the NFL. The Ravens? 13th. Nice try.

By the way: I'm sure if the Ravens lose, you'll be sticking around on Monday to talk about it, right? ? 

Trolls gonna troll.

Looks like the Bills better call this one off! ha!

[LJs Bodyguard]

4 minutes ago, Logic said:

Fair enough.

Saying "the Ravens secondary is very good" or "the Ravens secondary has three excellent corners and two great safeties" is one thing.

Coming onto the message board of the team with the 3rd ranked pass defense to state that your 13th ranked pass defense is the "best secondary in the league" is just, well...it's inaccurate fan hyperbole at best, trolling at worst.

We'll certainly see come this Sunday. The Patriots have a VERY good secondary and couldn't slow down the Ravens. That game could have been way more lopsided if the Ravens didn't gift the Patriots a muffed punt when we had a 17-0 lead. Patriots score and then the Ravens proceeded to gift them with another short field right after that and they still won by 17.

 

The Rams were also playing great D for a stretch of a few games and have Aaron Donald and Jalen Ramsey and got absolutely smoked.

[Greg S]

3 minutes ago, LJs Bodyguard said:

We'll certainly see come this Sunday. The Patriots have a VERY good secondary and couldn't slow down the Ravens. That game could have been way more lopsided if the Ravens didn't gift the Patriots a muffed punt when we had a 17-0 lead. Patriots score and then the Ravens proceeded to gift them with another short field right after that and they still won by 17.

 

The Rams were also playing great D for a stretch of a few games and have Aaron Donald and Jalen Ramsey and got absolutely smoked.

 

What happens if this is a repeat of Ravens/Browns game. The Browns smoked the Ravens that day. Anything can happen and the Ravens are the better team but the Bills are capable of pulling off the upset especially in OP. Besides the Ravens are due (I hope) for a bad game.

[Logic]

6 minutes ago, LJs Bodyguard said:

We'll certainly see come this Sunday. The Patriots have a VERY good secondary and couldn't slow down the Ravens. That game could have been way more lopsided if the Ravens didn't gift the Patriots a muffed punt when we had a 17-0 lead. Patriots score and then the Ravens proceeded to gift them with another short field right after that and they still won by 17.

 

The Rams were also playing great D for a stretch of a few games and have Aaron Donald and Jalen Ramsey and got absolutely smoked.

You originally stated that the Ravens have the best secondary in the league. 

I'm not sure if, with the statement above, you're trying to say that the outcome of ONE GAME is supposed to decide the matter. Is that what you're saying? If so, and if Josh Allen throws for more yards than Lamar Jackson, I assume you'll admit you were wrong?

Deciding "best secondary in the league" based on one game is silly. There's a stat to decide the issue, and it's called "pass defense ranking". Bills 3rd, Ravens 13th.

[Bubba Gump]

Bills - 27

Crows - 24

Josh and the offense is getting better by the week. We win in OT.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

...the recent evolution of perhaps the most effective games plans to date by Frazier & Daboll could NOT be better timed......continuance is critical in this game and the 12th man/Bills Mafia at home will be there, leaving 11 seats for the visitors.........I'm going to say McDermott is a good match up vs Harbaugh, Frazier & Daboll continue on, we temporarily ground Lamar in a close one...17-14...."Money" shows up to secure the "W" and lives for another day.......

[Elite Poster]

As bad as I want to win, I don't see it happening. 

 

24 Crows

14 Bills

[Helpmenow]

20-17 ravens

[Locomark]

31-18 Buffalo in a shocker...then we are all glued to our sets screaming for the Chiefs to beat the Pats so we can say we are in control of our own destiny for once..... Probably a pipe dream, but we have nothing to lose. Basically we have been slotted as a likely wild card for weeks, so the team with all the pressure and expectations is the Ravens. 

[MJS]

2 hours ago, LJs Bodyguard said:

We'll certainly see come this Sunday. The Patriots have a VERY good secondary and couldn't slow down the Ravens. That game could have been way more lopsided if the Ravens didn't gift the Patriots a muffed punt when we had a 17-0 lead. Patriots score and then the Ravens proceeded to gift them with another short field right after that and they still won by 17.

 

The Rams were also playing great D for a stretch of a few games and have Aaron Donald and Jalen Ramsey and got absolutely smoked.

But that has nothing to do with the quality of your secondary or the Bills secondary.

[JaCrispy]

Ravens 30

Bills 23

[Hapless Bills Fan]

4 hours ago, Elite Poster said:

As bad as I want to win, I don't see it happening. 

 

24 Crows

14 Bills

 

Do you know the difference between a Raven and a Crow?

 

See, a Crow has 7 pinion feathers.  A Raven has 8 pinion feathers.

The difference between a Raven and a Crow, is just a Matter of a Pinion

 

I call them the Poe-Birds

 

I think it’s either gonna be a nasty Iggles-type blow out, or a closer game than you predict.  We’ll see.

[Royale with Cheese]

On 12/3/2019 at 1:55 PM, wjag said:

Bills 9

Baltimore 31

 

I've watched Baltimore all season.  There is no current league answer for Jackson/Ingram/Edwards.

 

I don't think people appreciate how good the Baltimore Defense is since it is all LJ, all the time these days. 

 

Baltimore does not follow conventional rules and we have a conventional rules coach.  Whereas Baltimore will go for it on 4 and whatever anywhere on the field, Buffalo will send out the punter/placekicker.  Baltimore is 15/20 on 4th down!  and their opponents are 6/14!!! In the few times that Baltimore has been stopped on 4th down, their D has bailed them out.  The Baltimore Offense goes on 10-15 play drives and eats clock. 

 

I fear the Buffalo hurry up offense and a non-gambling coach will keep giving the ball back to Baltimore until such time as the game requires him not to.  I've seen this conservative behavior with Baltimore opponents week in and week out. 

 

The one hope:  Last week against a truly stout offense the Baltimore defense got exposed on the edges.  They'll surely expect Singletary to try and get there and game plan for it.  Singletary needs 120 yards rushing and Allen needs 60 more.  However, as long as this team insists on giving Frank Gore the ball in short yardage situations, they are an easy mark.

 

How I could be wrong: Sean needs to throw out the rulebook here and go for it.  He needs to use all four downs and he needs to step on their throat, if given a chance.  He needs to fight fire with fire.  Let's see how they like a running QB running 10-12 a game. 

 

If he loses, it's just one game he was not expected to win.  If he wins, glory.  If he wins, the Bills might just run the table with weakened Pitt and NE teams and a hapless Jets team left.  I wish I was feeling it, but I am not.  It's not stopping me from making the 8-hr trek to come watch it, but I have my expectations fully tempered.

The Ravens have gone for 4th down 6 more times than the Bills.  You’re talking as if the Bills never do it.

 

Baltimore is 19th in time of possession.

**EDIT**

Ravens are 2nd.  I put in 2009 instead of 2019.

 

Edited December 5, 2019 by Royale with Cheese

[JoPoy88]

23-21 Bills

[CommonCents]

4 hours ago, JaCrispy said:

Ravens 30

Bills 23

I have the same score but the Bills win. 

[HOUSE]

On 12/3/2019 at 1:10 PM, gonzo1105 said:

Baltimore 27 Buffalo 20

[wjag]

8 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

The Ravens have gone for 4th down 6 more times than the Bills.  You’re talking as if the Bills never do it.

 

Baltimore is 19th in time of possession.

 

 

Your facts are correct.  But to me, it's not how many times you do it as much as when you do it.  I've watched every Bills game and every Ravens game this season.  The Ravens do it to keep their momentum up.  They do it to establish a lead and keep the lead.  I don't have the facts to back me up here, but some of those times the Bills have done it were forced (losing late).  And 15/20 and 6/14 are dramatically different in the game setting. 

 

The only time I can recall it coming back to bite the Ravens was their game in KC.  That was early season when Mahomes was Mahoming.  The scuttle but in Baltimore was they had to match the Chiefs explosiveness so they went for it on their own 40 early in the 1st quarter (can you ever imagine our head coach doing this?)  They didn't make it and Mahomes Mahomed them.  After that, they had gone full throttle in their eight game win streak.  And they are doing it by going on 4th down early in games to get the lead.  I saw an interesting stat about the 10-2 Ravens.  There are five teams in the NFL with a record of 10-2 (Baltimore, NE, SF, NO, Sea).  The Ravens have beaten three of them (NE - Smashed them, SF -- survived them and Seattle - whipped them in their yard).

 

I'll be rooting as hard as the next guy.  I hate the Ravens more than just about any other team not named NE.   I think the key to stopping the Ravens is not so much stopping Jackson (he's going to get his) as it is stopping Ingram from running between the guards for 8-10 yards a carry on 1st or 2nd down.   The play action between Ingram and Jackson is killing teams.  They can't figure out which one of them has the ball.  If the Ravens are in 3rd and 6, they will run either Ingram or Jackson to get four or five yards knowing they are going on 4th and short.  That's what is making this team so difficult to defend.  They use all four downs to play offense from the get go.  Baltimore only punted twice against the Niners.  Twice!

[Royale with Cheese]

21 minutes ago, wjag said:

 

Your facts are correct.  But to me, it's not how many times you do it as much as when you do it.  I've watched every Bills game and every Ravens game this season.  The Ravens do it to keep their momentum up.  They do it to establish a lead and keep the lead.  I don't have the facts to back me up here, but some of those times the Bills have done it were forced (losing late).  And 15/20 and 6/14 are dramatically different in the game setting. 

 

The only time I can recall it coming back to bite the Ravens was their game in KC.  That was early season when Mahomes was Mahoming.  The scuttle but in Baltimore was they had to match the Chiefs explosiveness so they went for it on their own 40 early in the 1st quarter (can you ever imagine our head coach doing this?)  They didn't make it and Mahomes Mahomed them.  After that, they had gone full throttle in their eight game win streak.  And they are doing it by going on 4th down early in games to get the lead.  I saw an interesting stat about the 10-2 Ravens.  There are five teams in the NFL with a record of 10-2 (Baltimore, NE, SF, NO, Sea).  The Ravens have beaten three of them (NE - Smashed them, SF -- survived them and Seattle - whipped them in their yard).

 

I'll be rooting as hard as the next guy.  I hate the Ravens more than just about any other team not named NE.   I think the key to stopping the Ravens is not so much stopping Jackson (he's going to get his) as it is stopping Ingram from running between the guards for 8-10 yards a carry on 1st or 2nd down.   The play action between Ingram and Jackson is killing teams.  They can't figure out which one of them has the ball.  If the Ravens are in 3rd and 6, they will run either Ingram or Jackson to get four or five yards knowing they are going on 4th and short.  That's what is making this team so difficult to defend.  They use all four downs to play offense from the get go.  Baltimore only punted twice against the Niners.  Twice!

 

"But some of those times?"  Every team has "some of those times".  You just stated that the Ravens did it against KC so they have "some of those times".  And I'm willing to bet that they have more than just once.

 

The last time we went for it on 4th down was last game against the Cowboys.  It was tied 7-7 in the 2nd quarter.  That was early in the game and to gain momentum.  Something you say the Bills don't do.

 

I just looked up the play by play for the Ravens/Chiefs game and what you wrote was wrong on two accounts.  One, it wasn't in early in the 1st quarter, it was in the 2nd quarter.  Two, they converted it.  

 

I'm not arguing the Bills are better than the Ravens.  Right now, the Ravens are the best team in the league.  It's just evident you're looking at both teams with a different set of eyes.  You're making it sound like the Bills are never aggressive.

[MDH]

On 12/3/2019 at 9:25 PM, r00tabaga said:

Last loss of regular season.

 

This is how I feel. I think Balt will win this one and it might not be close, but I also like the Bills to run the table the rest of the way.

[wjag]

27 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

"But some of those times?"  Every team has "some of those times".  You just stated that the Ravens did it against KC so they have "some of those times".  And I'm willing to bet that they have more than just once.

 

The last time we went for it on 4th down was last game against the Cowboys.  It was tied 7-7 in the 2nd quarter.  That was early in the game and to gain momentum.  Something you say the Bills don't do.

 

I just looked up the play by play for the Ravens/Chiefs game and what you wrote was wrong on two accounts.  One, it wasn't in early in the 1st quarter, it was in the 2nd quarter.  Two, they converted it.  

 

I'm not arguing the Bills are better than the Ravens.  Right now, the Ravens are the best team in the league.  It's just evident you're looking at both teams with a different set of eyes.  You're making it sound like the Bills are never aggressive.

So I looked it up as well.  My memory was off.  It was not to say the Bills are not aggressive, but there's aggressive and then there is step on their throat aggressive.  Which is what Baltimore is doing all season.  Their punter doesn't need to shower after a game.

 

Here's a snippet from Penn-Live.com that essentially backs up my points.  Bolding is my emphasis.

 

"Baltimore Ravens coach John Harbaugh showed early in Sunday’s game against the Kansas City Chiefs he isn’t afraid to take fourth-down risks.

And he’s seen evidence of how those gambles can pay off and how they can go wrong.

On their first possession of the tilt between AFC contenders, the Ravens faced a fourth-and-3 from the Chiefs’ 9-yard line. Harbaugh left his offense on the field and watched as quarterback Lamar Jackson scrambled to pick up the first down, extending a drive that ended with a short Mark Ingram touchdown run a play later.

That gave Baltimore an early 6-0 edge. On the Ravens’ second drive, Harbaugh remained aggressive. The offense converted a fourth-and-1 from their own 34 by handing the ball to running back Gus Edwards and sending him up the middle.

A couple plays later, Baltimore faced a fourth-and-2 from their own 47, and once again, the offense stayed on the field. This time, Kansas City got a stop, pressuring Jackson and forcing him to throw a short incompletion.

The Chiefs turned the good field position into a 47-yard touchdown drive and took a 14-6 lead."

 

That's three times in the first half.  They have never looked back on this aggressive play calling since then.  It is reported that Harbaugh has a stats geek that whispers percentages in his ear throughout the game.  As I watched them evolve over the season, they are breaking the paradigm in the NFL on when to go for it on 4th down.  Buffalo needs to know that 3rd and 6 and a stop almost certainly means they plan to go for it on 4th down.  Until they make them pay for that behavior.

[Royale with Cheese]

1 minute ago, wjag said:

So I looked it up as well.  My memory was off.  It was not to say the Bills are not aggressive, but there's aggressive and then there is step on their throat aggressive.  Which is what Baltimore is doing all season.  Their punter doesn't need to shower after a game.

 

Here's a snippet from Penn-Live.com that essentially backs up my points.  Bolding is my emphasis.

 

"Baltimore Ravens coach John Harbaugh showed early in Sunday’s game against the Kansas City Chiefs he isn’t afraid to take fourth-down risks.

And he’s seen evidence of how those gambles can pay off and how they can go wrong.

On their first possession of the tilt between AFC contenders, the Ravens faced a fourth-and-3 from the Chiefs’ 9-yard line. Harbaugh left his offense on the field and watched as quarterback Lamar Jackson scrambled to pick up the first down, extending a drive that ended with a short Mark Ingram touchdown run a play later.

That gave Baltimore an early 6-0 edge. On the Ravens’ second drive, Harbaugh remained aggressive. The offense converted a fourth-and-1 from their own 34 by handing the ball to running back Gus Edwards and sending him up the middle.

A couple plays later, Baltimore faced a fourth-and-2 from their own 47, and once again, the offense stayed on the field. This time, Kansas City got a stop, pressuring Jackson and forcing him to throw a short incompletion.

The Chiefs turned the good field position into a 47-yard touchdown drive and took a 14-6 lead."

 

That's three times in the first half.  They have never looked back on this aggressive play calling since then.  It is reported that Harbaugh has a stats geek that whispers percentages in his ear throughout the game.  As I watched them evolve over the season, they are breaking the paradigm in the NFL on when to go for it on 4th down.  Buffalo needs to know that 3rd and 6 and a stop almost certainly means they plan to go for it on 4th down.  Until they make them pay for that behavior.

 

You're forgetting that Lamar Jackson is the leading MVP candidate right now.  He's playing incredibly right now.  

Do you think Harbaugh goes for it as much on 4th down with Flacco at QB?  He's got a luxury right now.

 

Allen wasn't playing anywhere near an MVP level at the first half of the year.  The light bulb is now turning on for him and with that, you can be more aggressive.

 

Allen has 

[wjag]

21 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

You're forgetting that Lamar Jackson is the leading MVP candidate right now.  He's playing incredibly right now.  

Do you think Harbaugh goes for it as much on 4th down with Flacco at QB?  He's got a luxury right now.

 

Allen wasn't playing anywhere near an MVP level at the first half of the year.  The light bulb is now turning on for him and with that, you can be more aggressive.

 

Allen has 

 

No.  He clearly has built the strategy and team around Jackson's talent.  He does have a luxury others don't personnel-wise.

[terpsnation]

11 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

The Ravens have gone for 4th down 6 more times than the Bills.  You’re talking as if the Bills never do it.

 

Baltimore is 19th in time of possession.

 

Ravens are 1st in ToP/G at 34:32. Not sure what stats you are looking at.

 

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/average-time-of-possession-net-of-ot

Edited December 5, 2019 by terpsnation

[eball]

I've got absolutely no gut feeling for this game.  The only thing I think I'm reasonably sure of is that neither team will blow the other one out.

[Chris66]

Hoping for a good game. Whoever wins doesnt really matter. Both scenarios work.

[Royale with Cheese]

49 minutes ago, terpsnation said:

Ravens are 1st in ToP/G at 34:32. Not sure what stats you are looking at.

 

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/average-time-of-possession-net-of-ot

 

Hoooooly crap....I put in 2009 instead of 2019.  Thanks for the correction.