Ramza86 Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 The Vikings offense is exactly what I want for this team. Run heavy, screens, play action. Man...I could easily see this team being able to make it effective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlCowlingsTaxiService Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 but everybody told me that Cousins sucks ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 You know what I love about that offense? They were stuttering through 4 games, then made adjustments to utilize the talent on their team. What an unreal concept 4 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 As much as I love Motor, he's no Dalvin Cook. That guy is strong, fast and runs with anger... https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2862157-nobody-can-stop-dalvin-cook-and-its-a-problem-for-the-nfc 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkeerie Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 6 minutes ago, Virgil said: You know what I love about that offense? They were stuttering through 4 games, then made adjustments to utilize the talent on their team. What an unreal concept Seems to be unreal for our coaching staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 1 hour ago, Ramza86 said: The Vikings offense is exactly what I want for this team. Run heavy, screens, play action. Man...I could easily see this team being able to make it effective. Can we get Cook too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 It helps to have a Diggs, Cook, Rudolph 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 I was thinking the same thing watching the game. That offense looks very suited for what Allen does well. It would mask a lot of issues on the oline as well. Both teams did a great job of getting their talent in space. Stark contrast to watching running backs run into a brick wall for two yards. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramza86 Posted November 11, 2019 Author Share Posted November 11, 2019 True Cook is the centerpiece of that offense. lol Trust me. I drafted him in all of my leagues this year. I was a big believer in him. Im not saying we can copy what cook does...but id like that to be the basis for our offense. Wed tweek it from there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DallasBillsFan1 Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 I love Vikings offense ... aggressive, hungry and they executed and played hard in Dallas. I love their running back. I'm not a huge fan of Singletary ... I hope he proves me wrong ... I just prefer a bigger RB a downhill bruiser who forces defenders back and fights hard for every single yard. Singletary seems like a newer, fresher McCoy ... a finesse running back. I prefer Gore over Singletary. Gore should have been the feature RB in the Browns game. 17 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: It helps to have a Diggs, Cook, Rudolph this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Thrill Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 3 hours ago, Ramza86 said: The Vikings offense is exactly what I want for this team. Run heavy, screens, play action. Man...I could easily see this team being able to make it effective. Looked like they tried a screen late in the game. Josh couldn’t get the ball over the defender and the pass was tipped. Again, the Bills Coaches are trying - the Execution usually isn’t there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 1 hour ago, Lurker said: As much as I love Motor, he's no Dalvin Cook. That guy is strong, fast and runs with anger... https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2862157-nobody-can-stop-dalvin-cook-and-its-a-problem-for-the-nfc Yeah. He's incredible. Was fun seeing him outperform by far the 100M dollar man (something tells me Vikes are going to have to pony up with some cash sooner rather than later). 2 minutes ago, Phil The Thrill said: Looked like they tried a screen late in the game. Josh couldn’t get the ball over the defender and the pass was tipped. Again, the Bills Coaches are trying - the Execution usually isn’t there I would say "too late in the game". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 I just don’t think the Bills coaching staff “ gets” offensive football. Major concern, and probably will be their downfall. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 the thing that struck me is that the Vikings have an accurate QB and really good WRs, yet they still had time to pound the rock and did it effectively. This in turn helped the pass game. us not having Diggs and Cook etc is no excuse. Whose fault is that? We're in year 3 of the McDermott era. That should have been enough time to assemble a talented roster. We passed on a lot of talented guys playing well on playoff caliber teams. Some of them we ran off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 The Vikings play angry. The Bills do not. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptide Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 2 hours ago, Virgil said: You know what I love about that offense? They were stuttering through 4 games, then made adjustments to utilize the talent on their team. What an unreal concept This is exactly what I've been asking about the bills. We keep hearing how they need to get better and score more points, but I see no difference from week to week. I'm almost to the point where I think the coaches keep saying that to appease fans and media, while just sticking to their scheme week after week 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 Funny you should bring up the Vikes offense. Reportedly the Browns analytics guys recommended them to hire their OC Stefanski as HC and Dorsey went with Kitchens because that was who Baker wanted. I have a feeling they would have a lot more than 3 wins going into week 11 if they had hired Stefanski. They have similar personnel. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 17 minutes ago, Steptide said: This is exactly what I've been asking about the bills. We keep hearing how they need to get better and score more points, but I see no difference from week to week. I'm almost to the point where I think the coaches keep saying that to appease fans and media, while just sticking to their scheme week after week Except the Washington game. I thought they had figured it out. Maybe they did only to forget about it the following week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 2 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: It helps to have a Diggs, Cook, Rudolph Irv Smith and Thielen when healthy as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 25 minutes ago, reddogblitz said: the thing that struck me is that the Vikings have an accurate QB and really good WRs, yet they still had time to pound the rock and did it effectively. This in turn helped the pass game. us not having Diggs and Cook etc is no excuse. Whose fault is that? We're in year 3 of the McDermott era. That should have been enough time to assemble a talented roster. We passed on a lot of talented guys playing well on playoff caliber teams. Some of them we ran off. Year one? Seeing what we had, sign a couple of FA's, removing those who didn't want to be here, and still made the playoffs. Year two? Cap strapped because of ridding ourselves of the dead weight, go get the QB of the offense, the QB of the defense, Richie blows a gasket, Wood has to retire because of a neck issue, and we are basically all in on the rebuild. Year 3? We had to fix the OL, we upgraded the WR corps, we drafted players (some of whom are making an impact already), and are basically in the 2nd year of the rebuild. This team is pretty young, they are growing together, and we are still 6-3 in spite of Daboll's play calling. Some rebuilds aren't instant gratification like that of your microwavable Hot Pocket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramza86 Posted November 11, 2019 Author Share Posted November 11, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, H2o said: Year one? Seeing what we had, sign a couple of FA's, removing those who didn't want to be here, and still made the playoffs. Year two? Cap strapped because of ridding ourselves of the dead weight, go get the QB of the offense, the QB of the defense, Richie blows a gasket, Wood has to retire because of a neck issue, and we are basically all in on the rebuild. Year 3? We had to fix the OL, we upgraded the WR corps, we drafted players (some of whom are making an impact already), and are basically in the 2nd year of the rebuild. This team is pretty young, they are growing together, and we are still 6-3 in spite of Daboll's play calling. Some rebuilds aren't instant gratification like that of your microwavable Hot Pocket. Lol I agree with this. We were beyond bad last year. Losing Wood and Richie set us back big time. Were getting better. Weve been tricked by the schedule and the 6 wins. We arent a contender yet, we just have to get this offense moving and continue developing the young guys. Edited November 11, 2019 by Ramza86 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 1 minute ago, H2o said: Year one? Seeing what we had, sign a couple of FA's, removing those who didn't want to be here, and still made the playoffs. Year two? Cap strapped because of ridding ourselves of the dead weight, go get the QB of the offense, the QB of the defense, Richie blows a gasket, Wood has to retire because of a neck issue, and we are basically all in on the rebuild. Year 3? We had to fix the OL, we upgraded the WR corps, we drafted players (some of whom are making an impact already), and are basically in the 2nd year of the rebuild. This team is pretty young, they are growing together, and we are still 6-3 in spite of Daboll's play calling. Some rebuilds aren't instant gratification like that of your microwavable Hot Pocket. True. But they didn't take over a floundering team that has won 7 games in the last 3 years. We were .500 over the previous 3 years before they arrived with a pretty talented roster. Probably more talented than what we have now. It was their decision to do what they did including passing on all three of the hottest young QBs in the AFC (Watson, Mahommes, Jackson). And then NOT surrounding the one they did take with talent that could help him succeed and instead investing heavily in the Defense. D is good, but you do have to score some points too. They don't get a pass on that IMHO. And your hot pocket comment was funny, I guess. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsSbSoon Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 Yeah id love it if we had dalvin cook. Always feels like we have a bunch of Jag's while other teams have real impact players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luka Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 We do not have the talent at wide receiver the Vikes do. When was the last time you saw a Buffalo Bill make a one handed grab? Win on a contested catch? And people wonder where Josh's hesitation comes from. He can't trust his guys to make plays like that. And if he tries to, it often ends badly and then people lambaste him for throwing a pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Luka said: We do not have the talent at wide receiver the Vikes do. When was the last time you saw a Buffalo Bill make a one handed grab? Win on a contested catch? And people wonder where Josh's hesitation comes from. He can't trust his guys to make plays like that. And if he tries to, it often ends badly and then people lambaste him for throwing a pick. Sammy made catches like that. So did Woods. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cTNqwZ5gkY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzrwEpKYHWk Edited November 11, 2019 by reddogblitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 2 hours ago, jkeerie said: Seems to be unreal for our coaching staff. Vikings are much further along in the process. They've had their growing pains over the last couple years too. Our offense is almost completely new because of the off season additions. Plus they have a veteran QB. Everyone just needs more experience. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 3 minutes ago, reddogblitz said: True. But they didn't take over a floundering team that has won 7 games in the last 3 years. We were .500 over the previous 3 years before they arrived with a pretty talented roster. Probably more talented than what we have now. It was their decision to do what they did including passing on all three of the hottest young QBs in the AFC (Watson, Mahommes, Jackson). And then NOT surrounding the one they did take with talent that could help him succeed and instead investing heavily in the Defense. D is good, but you do have to score some points too. They don't get a pass on that IMHO. And your hot pocket comment was funny, I guess. The Watson and Mahomes thing is beaten to death. We all know. How many other QB needy teams missed on those two as well? It happens. I still think Jackson is a flash in a pan. Until yesterday, against a Bengals team starting Ryan Finley, he has been average at best outside of his running ability which is absolutely amazing. Do you honestly think he would be successful anywhere else right now outside of Baltimore? I don't, but I think Watson and Mahomes could be. See what Roman did with lesser athletes in Kaep and Tyrod for a time? It eventually will come crashing down in Baltimore as well. The roster turnover here has been overwhelming. There are only a handful of guys left from before McDermott and Beane got here. When you do things like this there is always going to be growing pains, especially when the leaders of your offense and defense are in their 2nd years in the league. Again, we are 6-3. Let's see how the rest of the season plays out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luka Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 2 minutes ago, reddogblitz said: Sammy made catches like that. So did Woods. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cTNqwZ5gkY So what? 3-4 years then? That's a very long time by NFL standards. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 2 minutes ago, Luka said: So what? 3-4 years then? That's a very long time by NFL standards. True. But he wasn't good enough for Coach McDermott. He could still be here. Him on one side. Brown on the other. Beasley in the slot ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Junction Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 3 hours ago, Lurker said: As much as I love Motor, he's no Dalvin Cook. That guy is strong, fast and runs with anger... https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2862157-nobody-can-stop-dalvin-cook-and-its-a-problem-for-the-nfc Chicago and Philly both stuffed him... or rather, they trashed the Oline on outside zone runs. I love Cook, but all these guys are stoppable if their Oline is overmatched. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luka Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 1 minute ago, reddogblitz said: True. But he wasn't good enough for Coach McDermott. He could still be here. Him on one side. Brown on the other. Beasley in the slot ... I wasn't sad to see Watkins go, you can't rely on him to finish a whole season. Woods leaving pissed me off, but I don't think he had any intention of staying no matter how much money we threw at him. But to just now attempt to replace Woods with Brown and still have no answer to replace Watkins? That's a personnel failure. Beane can pretend all he likes that you don't need a #1 receiver but his QB would disagree. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 3 hours ago, Virgil said: You know what I love about that offense? They were stuttering through 4 games, then made adjustments to utilize the talent on their team. What an unreal concept ...you need an "adjuster" to "adjust".....seems like more and more we have a "cluster" versus "adjuster".......somebody get Saban on the phone so we can talk to the " 'Bama Returns Department".... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 (edited) If you draft a player like Allen you can't turn him into a game manager. You won't consistently make the playoffs and occasional Super Bowl runs with that type of qb. I didn't have a huge problem with Daboll's game plan as we need to see what we have in Allen. Possibly squeaking into the playoffs relying on a strong defense and mistake free conservative offense isn't a long term recipe for success. Edited November 11, 2019 by Doc Brown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 11 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: If you draft a player like Allen you can't turn him into a game manager. You won't consistently make the playoffs and occasional Super Bowl runs with that type of qb. I didn't have a huge problem with Daboll's game plan as we need to see what we have in Allen. Possibly squeaking into the playoffs relying on a strong defense and mistake free conservative offense isn't a long term recipe for success. Why does it have to be all or nothing? Why can't he be more of game manager this year and work on his mechanics and passing and then next year let him pass more when he gets better at it? That's what Pitt did with Big Ben. In SB XL, he was 9/21 for 123 yards 0 TD 2 INT. They scored one TD on a Willie Parker 40+ yard run and another on a WR pass thrown by Randle El to Ward Big Ben then continued to develop and turned into a very good QB. I don't see why a similar plan couldn't work for Josh. It's not fair to the rest of the team to have a really good D but waste it trying to see if your young QB can carry the whole offense by himself. We should be trying to win and develop the QB as it fits into a winning strategy whatever that is. If we were the Jets or Dolphins, sure, throw it around the yard. But we're not there anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 4 minutes ago, reddogblitz said: Why does it have to be all or nothing? Why can't he be more of game manager this year and work on his mechanics and passing and then next year let him pass more when he gets better at it? That's what Pitt did with Big Ben. In SB XL, he was 9/21 for 123 yards 0 TD 2 INT. They scored one TD on a Willie Parker 40+ yard run and another on a WR pass thrown by Randle El to Ward Big Ben then continued to develop and turned into a very good QB. I don't see why a similar plan couldn't work for Josh. It's not fair to the rest of the team to have a really good D but waste it trying to see if your young QB can carry the whole offense by himself. We should be trying to win and develop the QB as it fits into a winning strategy whatever that is. If we were the Jets or Dolphins, sure, throw it around the yard. But we're not there anymore. Exactly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 6 hours ago, reddogblitz said: Why does it have to be all or nothing? Why can't he be more of game manager this year and work on his mechanics and passing and then next year let him pass more when he gets better at it? That's what Pitt did with Big Ben. In SB XL, he was 9/21 for 123 yards 0 TD 2 INT. They scored one TD on a Willie Parker 40+ yard run and another on a WR pass thrown by Randle El to Ward Big Ben then continued to develop and turned into a very good QB. I don't see why a similar plan couldn't work for Josh. It's not fair to the rest of the team to have a really good D but waste it trying to see if your young QB can carry the whole offense by himself. We should be trying to win and develop the QB as it fits into a winning strategy whatever that is. If we were the Jets or Dolphins, sure, throw it around the yard. But we're not there anymore. I don't think this team's winning if Allen puts those numbers up. We don't have the supporting cast on offense Big Ben had. Our defense is good but not elite. My fear is if you turn him into a game manager then he'll develop those habits and lose that gunslinger mentality which is what we signed up for when we drafted him. Favre for example made a huge leap from year two to three as a starter as Green Bay built the offense around him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billever76 Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 10 hours ago, Virgil said: You know what I love about that offense? They were stuttering through 4 games, then made adjustments to utilize the talent on their team. What an unreal concept No reason we cant do it too!...go on a tear to end the season ...its doubtful bc it would consist of risks and going outside the realm of our conservative "Process" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billever76 Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 (edited) ... Edited November 12, 2019 by Billever76 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 An offense that scores 28 points? Yes please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billever76 Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 7 hours ago, H2o said: The Watson and Mahomes thing is beaten to death. We all know. How many other QB needy teams missed on those two as well? It happens. I still think Jackson is a flash in a pan. Until yesterday, against a Bengals team starting Ryan Finley, he has been average at best outside of his running ability which is absolutely amazing. Do you honestly think he would be successful anywhere else right now outside of Baltimore? I don't, but I think Watson and Mahomes could be. See what Roman did with lesser athletes in Kaep and Tyrod for a time? It eventually will come crashing down in Baltimore as well. The roster turnover here has been overwhelming. There are only a handful of guys left from before McDermott and Beane got here. When you do things like this there is always going to be growing pains, especially when the leaders of your offense and defense are in their 2nd years in the league. Again, we are 6-3. Let's see how the rest of the season plays out. I agree...just look at lamar he is being set up the same way kaep was..with a good defense,solid ground game and a simplified college like playbook....lamar is kaep 2.0 imo..ravens better hope he does it all this year bc he is a candle in the wind and his flame will be burnt out when teams get enough time to figure out exactly how to stop him and his gimmicky offense...kaep was the next big thing for a year also then he was exposed...funny how both qbs have a haurbagh connected to them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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