John from Riverside Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 1 minute ago, suorangefan4 said: What? His carries in the 2nd half were all getting stuffed. What all 2 of them? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 22 minutes ago, wiseman3 said: 8 rushing attempts against the 30th ranked D against the run, and 41 pass attempts against the 4th ranked D against the pass. Daboll needs to go 8 rushes for 42 yards @ 5.3 yards a carry Vs 41 pass attempts is plain outright stupid! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suorangefan4 Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Azucho98 said: And some people think our O coordinator Cueball isn't a problem. Possession before half - missed FG possession after half.... plays 27 yards - Punt possession after safety...3 and out Three straight possessions and no points. What a hot mess A lot of that had to do with the refs too. They called 4 holdings against the Bills in the second half. The Browns were holding too and weren't called once. Getting put 10 yards behind the chains on 4 possessions makes things difficult. The refs need to stop influencing the games with their subjective holding calls that could be called on almost any play. Edited November 10, 2019 by suorangefan4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billever76 Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 Many will flame me for saying this But Frazier is a liability also...is it any wonder why the d gets better between the 20's..frazier soft zones shrink and the d switches to a more natural attacking type defense....frazier refuses to play aggressive between the 20's on the field allowing teams to consistently get into scoring range...its almost a we will give them fg shots all day but defend the endzone......i dont like it and eventually with an offense piloted by someone of dabols pedigree that bend but dont break breaks when they can least afford to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bookie Man Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 18 minutes ago, Conlan58 said: Yes, but take Lee Smith off the damn field. He was a liability today. He was a walking penalty out there lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuncha Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 (edited) 1 minute ago, suorangefan4 said: A lot of that had to do with the refs too. They called what... 4 holdings against the Bills in the second half. The Browns were holding too and weren't called once. Getting put 10 yards behind the chains on 4 possessions makes things difficult. The refs need to stop influencing the games with their subjective holding calls that could be called on almost any play. Refs aren't calling plays for us. Edited November 10, 2019 by Azucho98 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suorangefan4 Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 Just now, Azucho98 said: Refs aren't calling plays for us. But like I said the refs are putting us way behind the sticks when they're finding a hold against us almost every single drive. We did move the ball somewhat well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scorp83 Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 25 minutes ago, wiseman3 said: 8 rushing attempts against the 30th ranked D against the run, and 41 pass attempts against the 4th ranked D against the pass. Daboll needs to go Over reaction! Yes not getting Singletary more carries was a mistake. But not enough to fire Dabol... he's not Hackett ? C'mon now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billever76 Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 4 minutes ago, suorangefan4 said: What? His carries in the 2nd half were all getting stuffed. Yea all 5 of them...that is abandoning the run..the exact thing daboll is getting ran out of town for...he needs to understand the ground game will come and be steady in his situational playcalling..he is clueless and reminds me of playing my 14 yr old cousin on madden lmao Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanSD Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 Yeah I just absolutely don't get this one. This is one of the worst run defenses in the league, and your best back gets only 8 carries. That's indefensible. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Firebaugh Kid Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 I could not understand why they were throwing it so much. It wasnt all bad but it wasnt consistently good either. Couldnt convert third downs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billever76 Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 3 minutes ago, Scorp83 said: Over reaction! Yes not getting Singletary more carries was a mistake. But not enough to fire Dabol... he's not Hackett ? C'mon now He has done so all year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 It would be one thing if our offense was a consistent, scare provoking passing attack. But it's more like a car that severely needs a tune up. Yes, Singletary needs to be used more, along with screen passes, play action, passes to backs, etc. etc. etc. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billever76 Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 1 minute ago, The Firebaugh Kid said: I could not understand why they were throwing it so much. It wasnt all bad but it wasnt consistently good either. Couldnt convert third downs. We couldnt convert bc of our playcalling...3rd and 3 and dabol calls a play with the closest reciever is 15yards from the los? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuncha Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 3 minutes ago, The Firebaugh Kid said: I could not understand why they were throwing it so much. It wasnt all bad but it wasnt consistently good either. Couldnt convert third downs. The deep pass on 3rd and 4 made me jump out my chair and scream at the TV. How many deep passes has Josh hit? Get the damn 1st down then try the deep ball on 1st or 2nd down if you have the urge. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 1 minute ago, marky said: To be really good, you need production everywhere. Bill's identity is what? QB draw? Remember when QB position was really a question mark? Horrible. Allen can make the throws. Cut out everything that's fat and sloppy and re-evaluate. Time for McD to drive players to their deaths. Lets drive Daboll to his first! We totally lack identity on offense- it is the same gross enigmatic cluster week in and week out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JK Fan Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 31 minutes ago, wvbillsfan said: Same story different week how hard is it for McDermott to say run the ball with Singletary or find a different job. lots of blame to go around on our no commitment to the run game. Really have to agree with this. You would have thought that McDermott, being as conservative as he is, would have told Dabol that by now. The Bills should have had 41 rushing attempts not 41 pass attempts. Had we done that I say we would have won the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILBillsfan Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 yeah and add on top Browns def vs the run some offensive play calling issues all game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wvbillsfan Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, JK Fan said: Really have to agree with this. You would have thought that McDermott, being as conservative as he is, would have told Dabol that by now. The Bills should have had 41 rushing attempts not 41 pass attempts. Had we done that I say we would have won the game. Easily win the game if we run. Offense put up 24 on the Redskins with a defense that is on par with Cleveland’s. Edited November 10, 2019 by wvbillsfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suorangefan4 Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Billever76 said: Yea all 5 of them...that is abandoning the run..the exact thing daboll is getting ran out of town for...he needs to understand the ground game will come and be steady in his situational playcalling..he is clueless and reminds me of playing my 14 yr old cousin on madden lmao Like I said in another post. When you're not winning on first and second down with the run like the running game wasn't doing in the second half then you're not going to get a lot more runs. Running game: 14 carries for 56 yards = 4.0 yards per attempt Passing game: 41 attempts for 266 yards = 6.5 yards per attempt. There was also a 35-yard PI call which is basically a 35-yard completion. 1 sack for -6 yards. So really 43 drop backs for 295 yards = 6.86 yards per passing play So passing the ball averaged 6.86 yards per play while running the ball averaged 4.0 yards per attempt. But for some reason Buffalo fans are obsessed with running a lot. This is like I said in another post that people act like a 3 or 4 yard run is better than a 6 or 7 yard pass for some reason. Edited November 10, 2019 by suorangefan4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 There's a list of reasons why we lost this one but this is top of the list for me. Feels like the Bills have been doing the same thing for 10+ years. We're against a team with a poor run defense and good pass defense so of course we lean on the pass for most of the game. The Bills are lacking elite talent in the pass game. Singletary is not elite but he can make plays happen. The offense should be running through him this year. I've been saying this for weeks. I mean we're throwing passes to freaking Andre Roberts. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seven-N-Nine Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 I think Beane made a good pick selecting Singletary, but his pick is being betrayed by the offensive coaches. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billever76 Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, HappyDays said: There's a list of reasons why we lost this one but this is top of the list for me. Feels like the Bills have been doing the same thing for 10+ years. We're against a team with a poor run defense and good pass defense so of course we lean on the pass for most of the game. The Bills are lacking elite talent in the pass game. Singletary is not elite but he can make plays happen. The offense should be running through him this year. I've been saying this for weeks. I mean we're throwing passes to freaking Andre Roberts. Situational play calling...something dabol doesn't possess Run the ball 30 plus times a game from multiple formations and packages...dabol not only doesnt run call as much as he should,he also isnt very creative in his run game...we run predominantly out of 2 or 3 different looks...its telegraphing everytime we do infact run it...maddening...no two back sets...little motion or misdirection...tosses?..screens seldomly called etc..dabol thinks he has the 99 rams team out there lmao 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 41 minutes ago, Conlan58 said: Yes, but take Lee Smith off the damn field. He was a liability today. Holding and false start calls every week. In the NE game his inability to comprehend the play call caused the delay of game near the goal line with Barkley in late. Also, our PK has missed a FG attempt at the end of the 1st half in all three loses. Plus the miss end of game today. Very concerning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlottebillsfan2 Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 8 carries for 42 yards. 5.3 average Chubb 20 Carries 116 yards 5.8 average. Why is singletary not getting 20-25 carries a game? It’s mind numbing that they are not trying to use the run to set up the pass and take pressure off of Allen. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 No excuse for this. Period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billever76 Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 8 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said: Holding and false start calls every week. In the NE game his inability to comprehend the play call caused the delay of game near the goal line with Barkley in late. Also, our PK has missed a FG attempt at the end of the 1st half in all three loses. Plus the miss end of game today. Very concerning. Yes lee smith needs to sit..also we have to find an answer to wallace..he is becoming a glaring weakness to go with interior rush defense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wvbillsfan Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 Multiple posters are saying we lack identity. That’s not true at all. We have an identity. It’s a team that throws the ball and sprinkles in the run. That’s not the identity we need but it’s and identity. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 If the plan was to use Singletary so little then waiving McCoy was a mistake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billever76 Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 4 minutes ago, Charlottebillsfan2 said: 8 carries for 42 yards. 5.3 average Chubb 20 Carries 116 yards 5.8 average. Why is singletary not getting 20-25 carries a game? It’s mind numbing that they are not trying to use the run to set up the pass and take pressure off of Allen. Yet half the fans want to pin it on allen not growing and looking like a bust!....the kid is handcuffed by his playcalling...its allowing defenses to be even better prepared bc it takes the air of mystery out of the run or pass guesses...totally telegraphs our play calling..we only run out of three formations also lmao....sit dabol down!!...allen would look like a stud if set up by a competent coordinator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjt328 Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 36 minutes ago, Billever76 said: Many will flame me for saying this But Frazier is a liability also...is it any wonder why the d gets better between the 20's..frazier soft zones shrink and the d switches to a more natural attacking type defense....frazier refuses to play aggressive between the 20's on the field allowing teams to consistently get into scoring range...its almost a we will give them fg shots all day but defend the endzone......i dont like it and eventually with an offense piloted by someone of dabols pedigree that bend but dont break breaks when they can least afford to This is the way the Bills defense is built. They are about discipline, and not letting up big plays. They aren't going to get lots of sacks or turnovers. But at the end of the day, they aren't going to let up many points either. So far, they have allowed less than 20 points in 7 of their 9 games. They have allowed less than 24 points (around the league average) in 8 of their 9 games. Fans can complain that every drive isn't 3-Out, and the defense occasionally get gashed for some yards. But their side of the ball is a winning recipe. It's the offense which isn't doing it's job. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billever76 Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 4 minutes ago, wvbillsfan said: Multiple posters are saying we lack identity. That’s not true at all. We have an identity. It’s a team that throws the ball and sprinkles in the run. That’s not the identity we need but it’s and identity. Only remedy is get rid of that formula...and that formula is dabol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 Have to get your most dynamic guy more touched Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRA3196 Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 mind boggling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 1 hour ago, Ethan in Portland said: The line doesn't run block well. Gore is slow and aging every week. Cutting McCoy was dumb. Making Morse highest paid center in the league is another overpayment by Beane. You mean the healthy scratch McCoy? He was inactive today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 1 hour ago, wiseman3 said: 8 rushing attempts against the 30th ranked D against the run, and 41 pass attempts against the 4th ranked D against the pass. Daboll needs to go Gee ya think. He's sucked the life out of JA all year but in the tradition of Peterman, our Devine leader Saint Clappy will do nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjt328 Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 35 minutes ago, suorangefan4 said: Like I said in another post. When you're not winning on first and second down with the run like the running game wasn't doing in the second half then you're not going to get a lot more runs. Running game: 14 carries for 56 yards = 4.0 yards per attempt Passing game: 41 attempts for 266 yards = 6.5 yards per attempt. There was also a 35-yard PI call which is basically a 35-yard completion. 1 sack for -6 yards. So really 43 drop backs for 295 yards = 6.86 yards per passing play So passing the ball averaged 6.86 yards per play while running the ball averaged 4.0 yards per attempt. But for some reason Buffalo fans are obsessed with running a lot. This is like I said in another post that people act like a 3 or 4 yard run is better than a 6 or 7 yard pass for some reason. Play calling is an art. It's not just about yards per attempt. It's also about establishing rhythm and keeping the defense off balance. When you are successful at running the ball, it causes linebackers to hesitate on play-action. It pulls safeties closer to the line of scrimmage and opens up deep throws. It slows down the pass rush. The Bills offense is one-dimensional, and much of it is Daboll's fault. We are unwilling to stick with the run game, and unable to hit the deep pass. Which makes defending everything else much easier for our opponents. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 1 hour ago, Ethan in Portland said: The line doesn't run block well. Gore is slow and aging every week. Cutting McCoy was dumb. Making Morse highest paid center in the league is another overpayment by Beane. McCoy was a healthy scratch today FWIW. McCoy isnt missed and Singletary is criminally underutilized. Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills11 Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 Bottom line daboll needs to go ...he has never been in charge of an even middle of the pack offense...greenbay has Aaron fricking Rodgers behind center ..yet Carolinas weakness is against the run just like the browns ...they have run rhe ball 21 times so far and the games not finished Rodgers has attempted 20 passes if daboll had called a balanced gameplan today fine I could live with that ..but to rush only what less than 15 times ? All game..this is an issue I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt when hired..I rationalized that he had been given very poor starting QBs in Anderson or Brian hoyer ? I think etc and yet here we are again two years around ranked bottom of the league in offence . 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 1 hour ago, wiseman3 said: 8 rushing attempts against the 30th ranked D against the run, and 41 pass attempts against the 4th ranked D against the pass. Daboll needs to go Daboll needs to go. Allen needs to be replaced. Both are problems. Right now, getting rid of Daboll will help. Get motor the ball. And Allen needs to fins his open WR’s and actually throw with accuracy when he does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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