John from Riverside Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 I was hopeful that Robert Foster would show something on Sunday because I like wide receivers to be both big and fast but the fact of the matter is you cannot take a player like McKenzie insert him just because he is small when he does so many different things for your team just keep Duke up for red zone play McKenzie and if we need speed and size play Roberts I think Robert Foster he’s going to be done as a bill 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 Yeah Sunday probably made that decision easier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 Amazing decline by Foster. He looked promising. Seemed to wilt under the competition this year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince88 Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 18 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: I was hopeful that Robert Foster would show something on Sunday because I like wide receivers to be both big and fast but the fact of the matter is you cannot take a player like McKenzie insert him just because he is small when he does so many different things for your team just keep Duke up for red zone play McKenzie and if we need speed and size play Roberts I think Robert Foster he’s going to be done as a bill Im thinking Foster is sealing his fate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 Whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirAndrew Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 Yep, I love me some red zone jet sweeps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronxbomber21 Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 3 minutes ago, SirAndrew said: Yep, I love me some red zone jet sweeps. They need to stay with Duke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 28 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: I was hopeful that Robert Foster would show something on Sunday because I like wide receivers to be both big and fast but the fact of the matter is you cannot take a player like McKenzie insert him just because he is small when he does so many different things for your team just keep Duke up for red zone play McKenzie and if we need speed and size play Roberts I think Robert Foster he’s going to be done as a bill I don't think you can overlook Foster's play on ST. I know Duke plays teams, but last week Foster was wicked. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirAndrew Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 2 minutes ago, Bronxbomber21 said: They need to stay with Duke This^ McKenzie serves no purpose outside of the run game. Duke has the ability to be a legitimate receiver. McKenzie is nothing more than a gadget player who is used by Daboll in the same manner every game. It’s not like the defense doesn’t know what to expect when McKenzie is on the field. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelius Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, SirAndrew said: This^ McKenzie serves no purpose outside of the run game. Duke has the ability to be a legitimate receiver. McKenzie is nothing more than a gadget player who is used by Daboll in the same manner every game. It’s not like the defense doesn’t know what to expect when McKenzie is on the field. Except that McKenzie in motion was really messing with the Redskins which kind of negates your entire point. I think they did it every single play on that first TD drive. Yes, granted anybody could probably do it but perhaps he sells it better since he's liable to go 20 yards on a shovel pass. I think this thread is largely about McKenzie vs. Foster anyway, and I don't see how anybody can defend Foster at this point. Zay's gone, so if you move on from Foster as well then there should be room for both Duke and McKenzie. Unless of course you think that we should still just wait until next week again for Robert Foster to get his first reception of the year... Edited November 5, 2019 by Nelius 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 Foster is done. But where was Duke yesterday? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILBillsfan Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 Duke was inactive and they went with Foster and McKenzie....foster has done nothing to show me he should be in front of Williams or McKenzie..... I love McKenzie's energy and the added value with his speed on the change of direction plays ....just don't run the same play ten plays apart 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 McKenzie does more for this offense than Duke. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 2 hours ago, Bob in STL said: Amazing decline by Foster. He looked promising. Seemed to wilt under the competition this year. Seems to me the coaches wanted him to evolve as a route runner and hasn't. But I think the coaches need to give a little here because the talent is there. He would be the 3rd or 4th option regardless. I still think he's one of our 3 best WR's. He just doesn't have a well defined route tree at the moment. Bills have gone from a stretch the field offense to a short and intermediate offense. That's why Foster hasn't fit in. I would still get him out there with Brown and Beasley because he'll open those guys up IMO. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locomark Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 McK ‘s absence in the Philly game was noticeable. He adds a fun dimension to our offense and needs to dress for every game. Foster has been crappy this year. That bomb in the skins game was a TD that he stopped running toward the ball on. I don’t know if that kid just lost his confidence but he looks very out of sync this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 If Ford is healthy, I sit Lee Smith and Sweeney. Then you bring up 6 WR's Brown, McKenzie, Beasley, Williams, Foster and Roberts. With a healthy Ford they can line him up as an extra blocker if needed. I like Foster stretching the field and allowing Brown or the tight ends to work deep crosses. And as above, McKenzie offers enough misdirection to be effective - I just hate running the same direction as the fake sweep goes. The next variation of this play will be McKenzie in motion and a fake handoff followed by McKenzie on a wheel route up the sideline with a TE in the flat. If this is run against zone coverage it will be unstoppable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted November 5, 2019 Author Share Posted November 5, 2019 1 hour ago, Bangarang said: McKenzie does more for this offense than Duke. I think he provides something different then duke im pointing to foster vs duke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 2 hours ago, Nelius said: Except that McKenzie in motion was really messing with the Redskins which kind of negates your entire point. I think they did it every single play on that first TD drive. Yes, granted anybody could probably do it but perhaps he sells it better since he's liable to go 20 yards on a shovel pass. I think this thread is largely about McKenzie vs. Foster anyway, and I don't see how anybody can defend Foster at this point. Zay's gone, so if you move on from Foster as well then there should be room for both Duke and McKenzie. Unless of course you think that we should still just wait until next week again for Robert Foster to get his first reception of the year... If anything, McKenzie should be utilized MORE. Call him a gadget player, whatever. The guy is the most "electric" offensive player on the roster. I'd go to him more in the pass game as well. He's a very valuable player when used properly. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 I’d love to get the inside word on his practice habits. He’s probably that guy just doesn’t get it. Being such a highly touted WR out of HS seemed to have a negative effect on his work ethic and practice habits. 1 hour ago, Ethan in Portland said: If Ford is healthy, I sit Lee Smith and Sweeney. Then you bring up 6 WR's Brown, McKenzie, Beasley, Williams, Foster and Roberts. With a healthy Ford they can line him up as an extra blocker if needed. I like Foster stretching the field and allowing Brown or the tight ends to work deep crosses. And as above, McKenzie offers enough misdirection to be effective - I just hate running the same direction as the fake sweep goes. The next variation of this play will be McKenzie in motion and a fake handoff followed by McKenzie on a wheel route up the sideline with a TE in the flat. If this is run against zone coverage it will be unstoppable. Except Foster doesn’t stretch the field. He is pretty useless at the moment. I’d bet that he’s a future ex Bill before he’s a real part of our gameplan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 (edited) McKenzie needs to be playing every game, he keeps the Defense honest in the run game; Duke should also be playing every game, he has caught everything thrown at him and he is a tremendous blocker; Foster, his only contribution has been on special teams (which is extremely important). So, I vote keeping all three active and finding someone else to sit. Edited November 5, 2019 by CSBill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LB3 Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 8 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I don't think you can overlook Foster's play on ST. I know Duke plays teams, but last week Foster was wicked. This is the same reason Perry has been active over Yeldon. Perry's special teams play has been noticeably good. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r00tabaga Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 5 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said: If Ford is healthy, I sit Lee Smith and Sweeney. Then you bring up 6 WR's Brown, McKenzie, Beasley, Williams, Foster and Roberts. With a healthy Ford they can line him up as an extra blocker if needed. I like Foster stretching the field and allowing Brown or the tight ends to work deep crosses. And as above, McKenzie offers enough misdirection to be effective - I just hate running the same direction as the fake sweep goes. The next variation of this play will be McKenzie in motion and a fake handoff followed by McKenzie on a wheel route up the sideline with a TE in the flat. If this is run against zone coverage it will be unstoppable. Lee Smith has proven to be a better pass option than Foster this year. Sad but true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 Keep both. They play different positions. They both are young with different skill sets. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 From the day McKenzie got here he’s made a big difference. I was very concerned and surprised the week he was inactive. And no surprise the offense was incredibly flat without him. I don’t see why these WRs are such a big deal. 15,10,19,18 are mandatory imo. I don’t care as much about the 5th guy but McKenzie is very important to this offense. He should never be in consideration for coming out. We are to worried about dressing all these special teams back ups. And our STs sucks. We need As many play makers on the field as possible. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 10 hours ago, John from Riverside said: I was hopeful that Robert Foster would show something on Sunday because I like wide receivers to be both big and fast but the fact of the matter is you cannot take a player like McKenzie insert him just because he is small when he does so many different things for your team just keep Duke up for red zone play McKenzie and if we need speed and size play Roberts I think Robert Foster he’s going to be done as a bill IMHO Foster got love because people hated Zay Jones so much. So, in return they turned that hate to false love for Roberts who caught 27 whole catches, 61% catch rate, in 13 games / 3 starts. For his "deep ball" routes he only had 3 TD's . Dropsie Zay had 7 Keep McKitrich @Mike in Horseheads approves of this message And while they are at it dump Yeldon!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JinxedBill Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 McKenzie is a must for that speed and playmaking ability. Foster was really good on special teams tho so not completely useless but def not what we envisioned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florida Bills Fanatic Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 Like most of you, I am completely frustrated by the play of all of our wide receivers not named John Brown. When I watch recordings of our games and can rewind and replay certain plays, two things stand out to me. It appears that there is very little variation in the combination of routes run by our receivers which allows DB's to sit on these routes. It also explains why almost all of our big passing plays occur when the original timing of the play breaks down and the receivers deviate from the original routes. The second obvious problem has to do with the receivers inability to recognize a blitz and adjust to a "hot read" pattern. On most offenses, this responsibility falls to the slot receiver or the tight end. Sometimes it is the wide out on the side from which the blitz is coming. Brady, Edelman, and Gronk made a career making these adjustments. When you watch the Bills, you will hardly ever see a receiver make the adjustment. This results in a sack, a throw away, or Allen running with the ball. I don't know if Daboll is being forced to run a high school offense because that's all the players can handle or if that is the limit of his coaching capability. The problem is deeper than whether the game day actives should be Foster or McKenzie. Until the Bills address these two obvious problems, we can expect more of the same and we can read more whining about the symptoms rather than the causes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 16 hours ago, Bob in STL said: Amazing decline by Foster. He looked promising. Seemed to wilt under the competition this year. Only thing I can figure is McCoy was a big influence on him and when he left his motivation went down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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