Week 10: Bills at Browns

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

1 minute ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:

 

 

that is so 3 pages ago!       LOL 

 

I was 7 at that time 

[ColoradoBills]

5 minutes ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:

 

 

I always liked The Pretenders.

[Boatdrinks]

2 minutes ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:

 

 

Wow. That would be a cool feat for this year’s team to pull off, easy schedule or not. 1965? That’s before many on this forum ( myself included) were even alive. 

[Rockinon]

16 hours ago, WideNine said:

 

I think it is more that folks are cautious that struggling teams with enough talent seem to always have a game or two where they pull it together and are competitive.

 

Cleveland fits that mold. Just have to be sure one of their odd chance wins is not against our Bills.

 

I think we will be able to gauge what kind of day it is going to be pretty early. They are going to test us up the middle and if we can stone them and hang a score of two on them, they will have to rethink their game plan.

 

Otherwise I think it will become a bit of a run-heavy play action slugfest. I think this is going to be a very physical game and a penalty-fest. I do not have a hard time picturing Landry getting tossed.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I was watching the Eagles game and they threw a lot of misdirection at us in the run game at least until the second half(then the Bills defense was clearly gassed and they just ran strait up the middle).  It will be interesting to see what Cleveland does. They can try to pass on us but the Bills defense is very good at stopping that. I expect them to run but Buffalo has been good against the run mostly and not nearly as bad as Cleveland's run D. I expect to see both teams trying to exploit the run defense. Run and stop the run. Both teams will be doing that IMO. Cleveland I think is going to be more under the gun to make up the difference in the pass game is how I see it, and that is only going to play into Buffalo's hands.

 

Listening to their QB say they have to try to force the ball to OBJ though.... could be I'm off the mark here.  If that's their plan, they will go down just like they did against NE and San Fran. Buffalo is very good at neutralizing the pass game. Just don't see this as the game that we stumble on.  Gore and Singletary are going to feast. Alan has been working hard at his shorter routes and has been doing a pretty decent job. 3rd downs will be important, but I'm still seeing an advantage for Buffalo. Cleveland is going to struggle unless they can get their own run game rolling. Could happen, but most of the advantages are on our side.

 

BTW, I think Cleveland's problem with the pass game is that they do not have team players. OBJ would be doing better if the other WR's were downfield opening things up for him. You have to force the safeties into choosing who to cover. The way they are playing, we could very well end up with a couple of picks.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

https://www.buffalorumblings.com/2019/11/8/20954278/crumbling-their-cookies-how-the-buffalo-bills-should-attack-the-cleveland-browns-analysis

 

Crumbling their cookies: how the Buffalo Bills should attack the Cleveland Browns

 

I’d like to take this opportunity to welcome the Buffalo Bills and traveling members of Bills Mafia to Cleveland.

 

I feel I’m suited to speak on behalf of the city given the fact that I make my residence here and am as embedded (you see what I did there?) in the community as someone who uses a pseudonym can be. This city shares an odd kinship with Buffalo not only because of their origin as waterway-based trade cities, but also because of their futility on the gridiron over the last 20 years. The teams each have lost seasons, bad draft picks, organizational dysfunction and national embarrassment to their name. The cold-weather joke similarities alone could bond two cities together.

 

Through it all, the fan bases of both teams have adopted an odd “enemy of my enemy is my friend” galvanization that makes me appreciate that, although I don’t live in western New York, I at least I live in a city with which Buffalo shares a kinship.

Not this week though.   ....  (cont'd) 

[WideNine]

7 minutes ago, Rockinon said:

I was watching the Eagles game and they threw a lot of misdirection at us in the run game at least until the second half(then the Bills defense was clearly gassed and they just ran strait up the middle).  It will be interesting to see what Cleveland does. They can try to pass on us but the Bills defense is very good at stopping that. I expect them to run but Buffalo has been good against the run mostly and not nearly as bad as Cleveland's run D. I expect to see both teams trying to exploit the run defense. Run and stop the run. Both teams will be doing that IMO. Cleveland I think is going to be more under the gun to make up the difference in the pass game is how I see it, and that is only going to play into Buffalo's hands.

 

Listening to their QB say they have to try to force the ball to OBJ though.... could be I'm off the mark here.  If that's their plan, they will go down just like they did against NE and San Fran. Buffalo is very good at neutralizing the pass game. Just don't see this as the game that we stumble on.  Gore and Singletary are going to feast. Alan has been working hard at his shorter routes and has been doing a pretty decent job. 3rd downs will be important, but I'm still seeing an advantage for Buffalo. Cleveland is going to struggle unless they can get their own run game rolling. Could happen, but most of the advantages are on our side.

 

BTW, I think Cleveland's problem with the pass game is that they do not have team players. OBJ would be doing better if the other WR's were downfield opening things up for him. You have to force the safeties into choosing who to cover. The way they are playing, we could very well end up with a couple of picks.

 

I thought that "force feed OBJ" comment interesting too. The problem they have had to date is that OBJ has been getting double-teamed, so I think establishing the run and forcing our safeties to have to respect that and not being able to keep a guy over top of OBJ would be part of their game plan.

 

They will also test Wallace as he has given up ground to physical receivers and has been susceptible over top to the double moves.

 

I have a feeling this game is going to do a number on my blood pressure.

 

 

 

[ColoradoBills]

12 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

Wow. That would be a cool feat for this year’s team to pull off, easy schedule or not. 1965? That’s before many on this forum ( myself included) were even alive. 

 

"Well the first ninety years or so, they go by pretty fast...then one day you wake up and you realize you're not eighty-one anymore."

[Warcodered]

33 minutes ago, WideNine said:

 

 

Allen cracked me up, I don't want to throw to X (points to the left of the stadium) and have the pass go there (points to the right)...

 

Madden bends to the marketing of big city players. Trey White 16th best corner in the league - response from Trey "that's a disgrace".

 

 

 

He's not wrong they did him dirty in that game. They actually made him less accurate than he was last year in it.

[WideNine]

22 minutes ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:

 

 

Would love to disagree, but listing 6 teams that have a more consistent history of winning records and one that has a consistent history of choking...

 

I don't even think the over 30% that did not vote Bills were Buffalo fans, they just hated another team more.

 

Is what it is, you cannot force-change a narrative, just like the Allen hate on this board. If he keeps improving and winning they will gradually fade away, but if Allen regresses and this franchise has to hit the reset (again) they will finally have their day in the sun.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Warcodered]

 

[WideNine]

2 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

He's not wrong they did him dirty in that game. They actually made him less accurate than he was last year in it.

 

I'm sorry, but it is kind of wild thinking about this from the player's perspective. Getting to play "you" in a game and with the other Bills players around you it has to be comical when Allen aims a pass at a streaking Smoke and it hits the camera man on the other side of the field. Would love me some reality TV watching the Bills players in that setting.

 

Too funny!

 

 

[r00tabaga]

2 minutes ago, WideNine said:

 

I'm sorry, but it is kind of wild thinking about this from the player's perspective. Getting to play "you" in a game and with the other Bills players around you it has to be comical when Allen aims a pass at a streaking Smoke and it hits the camera man on the other side of the field. Would love me some reality TV watching the Bills players in that setting.

 

Too funny!

 

 

I purposely try to use a lot of Trips formations so that I can catch overthrown passes with other WR's in the area. 

Its laughable.

[YoloinOhio]

 

[Johnnycage46]

41 minutes ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:

 

No problem really with this.  Based on the question...ONE of the teams had to be chosen as a pretender.  Of the teams presented I would say the Bills are currently the bottom.  However, I don't actually think that means they are pretenders...just that based on the question and the choices, they would have to be the answer for the above.

[Gugny]

3 minutes ago, Johnnycage46 said:

No problem really with this.  Based on the question...ONE of the teams had to be chosen as a pretender.  Of the teams presented I would say the Bills are currently the bottom.  However, I don't actually think that means they are pretenders...just that based on the question and the choices, they would have to be the answer for the above.

 

Agreed.  All of the teams listed are better than the Bills.  I don't think any of those teams - including the Bills - is a pretender.

[Franco_92]

48 minutes ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:

 

I can't say it's particularly painful to be the worst 6-2 or better team in the league

[Tesla03]

Browns are banged up on both sides of the ball. we are arguably fully healthy. They also have one of the worst coaches in the NFL. 

 

it would be utterly embarrassing if we don't win this game. 

[Victory Formation]

1 hour ago, Boatdrinks said:

They got a late TD and still needed to recover an onside kick ( practically impossible under new rules) to even have a chance. Almost doesn’t mean much. All of the Bills games were fairly close, some required comebacks and the MIA game wasn’t much different. They’ve played pretty consistent football. They’re really not good enough for a close game to mean they played down to anyone’s level. When they beat winning teams then falter and struggle vs a weak one, that would apply. 

If it weren’t for a couple big plays by TreDavious White we would have lost. I stand by it, Browns could be a trap game.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

 

 

 

 

[r00tabaga]

8 minutes ago, Sunshower said:

If it weren’t for a couple big plays by TreDavious White we would have lost. I stand by it, Browns could be a trap game.

If it wasnt for 218 rushing yards, we would've beat Philly.

 

Lol.....God I hate ur argument! Good players make good plays. 

[WideNine]

29 minutes ago, Tesla03 said:

Browns are banged up on both sides of the ball. we are arguably fully healthy. They also have one of the worst coaches in the NFL. 

 

it would be utterly embarrassing if we don't win this game. 

 

jeeeez... you are new to this whole Bills fan bad karma thing right?

 

You never, ever flag fate this way.

 

[njbuff]

30 minutes ago, Tesla03 said:

Browns are banged up on both sides of the ball. we are arguably fully healthy. They also have one of the worst coaches in the NFL. 

 

it would be utterly embarrassing if we don't win this game. 

 

It's the NFL, so weird things happen week to week.

 

Vegas should have provided every motivation needed to the Bills with them being an underdog to the "Mistake by the Lake".

 

We shall see.

[Logic]

33 minutes ago, Tesla03 said:

Browns are banged up on both sides of the ball. we are arguably fully healthy. They also have one of the worst coaches in the NFL. 

 

it would be utterly embarrassing if we don't win this game. 

Nah.

To conclude that, one would have to be looking ONLY at the two teams' records. A more in depth look shows that the Bills have likely been playing a bit above their talent level in terms of win total, while the Browns are under-performing, but have a supremely talented roster.

In my mind, losing an away game against a desperate opponent that has OBJ, Jarvis Landry, Nick Chubb, Kareem Hunt, Baker Mayfield, Myles Garrett, and Denzel Ward would not be a surprise at all. In fact, I'm expecting it. 

 

[SCBills]

12 minutes ago, Logic said:

Nah.

To conclude that, one would have to be looking ONLY at the two teams' records. A more in depth look shows that the Bills have likely been playing a bit above their talent level in terms of win total, while the Browns are under-performing, but have a supremely talented roster.

In my mind, losing an away game against a desperate opponent that has OBJ, Jarvis Landry, Nick Chubb, Kareem Hunt, Baker Mayfield, Myles Garrett, and Denzel Ward would not be a surprise at all. In fact, I'm expecting it. 

 

 

They are more talented, but also with major holes at coaching, QB and OL. 

 

I'm getting a bit sick of this narrative that Cleveland is sooo above and beyond our talent level. 

 

They have star names at the sexy positions, but we have a much better defense and a better OL, along with better coaching and QB who is progressing instead of regressing.

[Chuck Wagon]

This game feels like arguably the biggest of the season.  The Browns are down on the mat, we have a chance to step on their throats.  This win puts a 9-2 start into play which would almost certainly puts us in the playoffs.  A loss puts huge pressure on the Miami / Denver games has this season could turn sideways quick if we head into those final 5 games at 7-4.

Edited November 8, 2019 by Chuck Wagon

[theAteam]

With a win our playoff chances go up to like 80%, with a loss they go down to about 50%

[YoloinOhio]

56 minutes ago, Sunshower said:

If it weren’t for a couple big plays by TreDavious White we would have lost. I stand by it, Browns could be a trap game.

If it weren’t for the plays made by the winning team’s players the winning team would not have won. 

 

Profound

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

41 minutes ago, Logic said:

Nah.

To conclude that, one would have to be looking ONLY at the two teams' records. A more in depth look shows that the Bills have likely been playing a bit above their talent level in terms of win total, while the Browns are under-performing, but have a supremely talented roster.

In my mind, losing an away game against a desperate opponent that has OBJ, Jarvis Landry, Nick Chubb, Kareem Hunt, Baker Mayfield, Myles Garrett, and Denzel Ward would not be a surprise at all. In fact, I'm expecting it. 

 

Uh No-supremely! Really?They have huge holes in non-sexy, non fantasy football areas. Need to look deeper at the roster. 

[Conlan58]

This is the game John Brown finally breaks out. Over 150 yards and 2+ TD's!

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

28 minutes ago, SCBills said:

 

They are more talented, but also with major holes at coaching, QB and OL. 

 

I'm getting a bit sick of this narrative that Cleveland is sooo above and beyond our talent level. 

 

They have star names at the sexy positions, but we have a much better defense and a better OL, along with better coaching and QB who is progressing instead of regressing.

You'd think they were the 70s Steelers, 80s 49ers and 90s Cowboys all wrapped in one! They have alot of holes.

[Coach Tuesday]

I really have no idea how this one is gonna go so I won’t be making a prediction, but I’ll say this: if the Bills can’t go win a game like this I have a hard time seeing them winning a playoff game this year.  This game seems like that kind of test.  They’ll make the playoffs, I expect, but I’m hoping the ceiling is a bit bigger than that this year.

[Royale with Cheese]

1 hour ago, Sunshower said:

If it weren’t for a couple big plays by TreDavious White we would have lost. I stand by it, Browns could be a trap game.

 

If it weren't for the blocked punt, we would have beat the Pats.

 

We can apply "if" to pretty much change any outcome we want.

[Buffalo Junction]

2 minutes ago, Conlan58 said:

This is the game John Brown finally breaks out. Over 150 yards and 2+ TD's!

It would be a great talking point all week if Allen goes off for 350 total yards and 3 TDs with some big plays to Brown while Mayfield implodes. 
 

I have no clue how this game is going to go, but capitalizing on an early Browns turnover could make this a fun game to watch 

[Philo]

I have a feeling that Singletary/Beasley/the TE's are going to be where the big plays come from this week. The Cleveland LBs appear to be struggling right now and the safeties are a weak spot. 

 

Love me some John Brown, but Ward looks like a bad match up for him. I wouldn't be surprised if his streak of 50+ yard games ends Sunday.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

...safe to say (IMO) that all of the laudatory "Browns Are SB Contenders" articles were and remain "fools gold".....at 2-6, they'd have to run the table for a WC spot...they're bickering and Kitchens is a green horn......hate playing wounded animals though who are unpredictable......-3 at home (FG nod) would be the usual......forget dissecting the line and play the damn game....17-14 Bills, with Money coming through in the clutch despite Lake Erie winds......

[YoloinOhio]

Well that makes one person, Cody

 

 

[Philo]

1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said:

Well that makes one person, Cody

 

 

 

At least with Vernon out they should be able to consistently slide extra protection over to help with Garrett.

[Logic]

36 minutes ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said:

Uh No-supremely! Really?They have huge holes in non-sexy, non fantasy football areas. Need to look deeper at the roster. 

I'm familiar with their roster.

Their defense has talent in the front 7 and the secondary. Ogunjobi and Garrett on the line, Denzel Ward and Demarious Randall in the secondary. Their offense has two excellent receivers and a quarterback who -- despite his recent struggles -- is still a talented player that can make all the throws. Their backfield of Nick Chubb and Kareem Hunt should be formidable. The Bills recent vulnerabilities to inside zone runs does not bode well for this game, because the Browns have JC Tretter at center, who is more than capable, and who will be paving the way for the aforementioned running backs.

I already said the Bills are a better TEAM than the Browns. I stick by my statement, however, that the Browns have a ton of talent on the roster.

The notions that the Bills should be big favorites, or that there's "no way they should lose to this team" are erroneous, in my opinion. YMMV.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

 

 

 

 

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

18 minutes ago, Logic said:

I'm familiar with their roster.

Their defense has talent in the front 7 and the secondary. Ogunjobi and Garrett on the line, Denzel Ward and Demarious Randall in the secondary. Their offense has two excellent receivers and a quarterback who -- despite his recent struggles -- is still a talented player that can make all the throws. Their backfield of Nick Chubb and Kareem Hunt should be formidable. The Bills recent vulnerabilities to inside zone runs does not bode well for this game, because the Browns have JC Tretter at center, who is more than capable, and who will be paving the way for the aforementioned running backs.

I already said the Bills are a better TEAM than the Browns. I stick by my statement, however, that the Browns have a ton of talent on the roster.

The notions that the Bills should be big favorites, or that there's "no way they should lose to this team" are erroneous, in my opinion. YMMV.

As I said they have huge holes in non-sexy places. That means they're not supremely talented.