Week 10: Bills at Browns

[dave mcbride]

The most predictive stat of won/loss records in football is team passer rating differential. The Browns team passer rating is 71.2, and opponents collectively have a 103.6 passer rating against them.  -32.4 in that category is a huge number.

Edited November 4, 2019 by dave mcbride

[PromoTheRobot]

1 hour ago, SoTier said:

 

Why shouldn't that be the standard for the Bills????   I'm sure that Belichick and Co have that standard for the Pats.   I'm sure that that's what Andy Reid, John Harbaugh, Sean McVay, Frank Reich, and Doug Pedersen expect from their offenses?   Why do the Bills FO/HCs accept mediocrity as "good enough" -- and so many of their fans applaud them for it?  

 

There's a difference between expecting to score and doing it. Please point out which NFL teams score on every possession.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

12 minutes ago, BillsMafi$ said:

Honestly think browns win this year. Chubb is averaging 5 yards a carry . 

 

Peterson averaged 6 against buffalo and they lost.  It doesn't correlate to anything.  Buffalo has the 19th ranked rush defense through 9 weeks. It's not like buffalo is historically bad there, or incapable of improvement either.

Henry had 78 yards on 20 carries.  Mixon had 60 on 15.  Bell 60 on 17 carries.  Barkley 107 on 18 carries.  Peterson 108 on 18 carries.  

 

They have had 1 really bad game against the run.  And they lost.  But Clevelands rush defense is actually worse than their rush offense is good.  That includes a game against a luke falk lead jets team that couldn't score any points.  

Edited November 4, 2019 by dneveu

[PromoTheRobot]

53 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

It's Jauron ball, and it's been McDermott's style since he became HC. Play not to lose.  Don't take many chances and especially not big chances.   Daboll either shares McDermott's philosophy or has adapted to it.

 

That's a dumb take because I can point to plenty of instances where they are aggressive. In fact I'm kind of sick of them going for it on 4th and not taking the easy 3. They could have at least forced OT against the Pats if they kicked a FG on 4th and 2.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

18 minutes ago, Houston's #1 Bills Fan said:

Browns just cut their Safety Jermaine Whitehead after he twitted racist comments and death threats.

 

Keep the dysfunction alive! GO BILLS

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/browns-cut-jermaine-whitehead-after-racist-twitter-rant-that-included-death-threats/ar-AAJOLu3?li=BBnbklE

 

I want us to take the Browns seriously and prepare well and BEAT THEM INTO A BROWN SMEAR but I gotta say they make it hard with this soap opera stuff.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

 

 

 

 

[Houston's #1 Bills Fan]

Gotta check out some of the Twitter responses to Baker Mayfield after the game! Priceless!!!

 

https://sports.yahoo.com/cleveland-browns-baker-mayfield-looked-defeated-sad-broncos-loss-mustache-social-media-reaction-twitter-jokes-021137067.html

 

 

[TH3]

1 hour ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

Please keep up. The subject is the offense. It’s simply not good enough to win 11 or more games. An NFL offense scoring 30 points shouldn’t be as rare as a golden tiger sighting.

4 teams s cored 30 yesterday....so that means.....?

[Hapless Bills Fan]

4 hours ago, ALLEN1QB said:

It's been a fun ride but I have a feeling the wheels are about to fly off bigtime. We will win 2 maybe 3 the rest of the way.

 

"Predict the rest of the season thread", down the hall, third door on the left.

[TH3]

1 hour ago, SoTier said:

 

It's Jauron ball, and it's been McDermott's style since he became HC. Play not to lose.  Don't take many chances and especially not big chances.   Daboll either shares McDermott's philosophy or has adapted to it.

Difference is Jauron lost....McD wins

[Boatdrinks]

4 minutes ago, Houston's #1 Bills Fan said:

Gotta check out some of the Twitter responses to Baker Mayfield after the game! Priceless!!!

 

https://sports.yahoo.com/cleveland-browns-baker-mayfield-looked-defeated-sad-broncos-loss-mustache-social-media-reaction-twitter-jokes-021137067.html

 

 

Looks like he stumbled in from a tent city in San Francisco 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

33 minutes ago, Houston's #1 Bills Fan said:

Gotta check out some of the Twitter responses to Baker Mayfield after the game! Priceless!!!

 

https://sports.yahoo.com/cleveland-browns-baker-mayfield-looked-defeated-sad-broncos-loss-mustache-social-media-reaction-twitter-jokes-021137067.html

 

 

 

My favorite: 

 

I couldn't finish watching the presser.  Baker looked worse than Sam Darnold after the Pats game.

[aristocrat]

Browns giving up quite a bit on the ground so important to keep our run game going against them. Get gore back involved and roll over them.  Keep Baker off the field and force him to throw a lot and hope we get some picks on him.  

[Hapless Bills Fan]

4 hours ago, Chandler#81 said:

This is the 3rd time this has been raised in new threads. Is it just too convenient to not watch the game and rip the Bills here?

Beasley’s TD. Describe it for me, please..

You know why it works? CUZ THEY DONT SHOW IT OFTEN.

 

TBH, I don't think Allen is very good at selling the play action yet.  He's better than some we've had but it's not his strong point.

 

Watching yesterday's game - LJax has a PhD in Playaction Salesmanship

[dave mcbride]

22 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

TBH, I don't think Allen is very good at selling the play action yet.  He's better than some we've had but it's not his strong point.

 

Watching yesterday's game - LJax has a PhD in Playaction Salesmanship

 

I do think he sold Singletary's rushing TD extremely well - best he's done all season. 

[x-BillzeBubba]

25 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

"Predict the rest of the season thread", down the hall, third door on the left.

 

and careful, dont trip over the mops

Edited November 4, 2019 by x-BillzeBubba

[dakrider]

I think this will be a very tough game.  Bills are walking into a wounded badger den. You can bet Cleveland will be desperate to win.  Best thing to do is get up on Browns early and keep pouring it on and let them turn on each other. 

[Fred Slacks]

I don't post often but I feel like everyone's clamoring for Daboll's play calling is so bipolar.  On the second series from first and goal we went backwards because he was too cute.  So we settled for a field goal.  Then on the third series of first and goal we run it right up the middle and get stuffed 3 times in a row.  Everyone whines that it was horrible play calling.  I am pretty sure McDermott has a say in a bit of that.  Also I have to imagine that the coaches want our team to impose our will on other teams.  Like how Philly did it to us.  McDermott always talks about establishing the line of scrimmage.  Also Frank Gore ran right up the middle against the Pat's defense just fine.  I put way less into play calling and more into execution.  When we went for it on 4th and 1 and got stuffed did anyone watch Mitch Morse get blown back into Gore?  That is hardly Gore's fault or the play call.  That is getting owned by the other player not he other line of scrimmage.  

 

Also I put the failure in Philly on execution.  So many false starts, holding calls, missed reads, etc.  

 

I think Daboll is a good play caller.  I would take him over Gase or Kitchens any day of the week.  That being said I think the offense needs to get out of their own way with the mistakes.  This game against the Redskins was much better from a penalty stand point.  I am glad they are taking some deep shots.  Allen has been off target on a lot early.  I think the one vs Philly and the one vs Washington to Foster were both very catchable.  He needs to track the ball better.  when you only are getting one shot a game you need to make a play on the ball.

 

On defense my biggest concerns is Wallace.  Especially this week vs the Browns.  They have talent at the WR position.  No doubt they pick on Wallace like Philly did.  Also giving up another 100 yards rushing (in the first half) doesn't exactly exude confidence against the next few upcoming opponents with good running games. 

 

Last thought is most people before this season thought 9-7 or 10-6 season.  I don't know that I think this team has taken enough of a jump to beat that.  However the AFC teams have taken a dump so now it is expected that we beat that record.  Which I think is doable.  Maybe 11-5 or even 12-4 if they play big in a game or two.  That being said just because the AFC teams are crumbling doesn't mean my expectations of our talent or development of our talent has changed.  We still are a team developing.  I think Allen has made good progress this season.  I think he will continue to as well.  The 300 yard thing would be nice but only if the game dictated it.  We have been in control most games so why would we just go out and start throwing around?  Run the clock out.  If I recall all the second guesser fans out there were complaining a few weeks back when Daboll called three pass plays in a row and we took no time off the clock.  I believe it was the Miami game.  This is what I refer to as bipolar.  Hindsight is always 20/20.  In that game I am sure he thought our team should be able to stick it to them and because of execution we didn't.  People complained that we should have been running it.  So yea I do think these coaches do play aggressive enough.  We have gone for it a lot on 4th down this season.  More so than I can ever remember.

 

Bottom line I have no complaints.  We are doing as well as I had hoped for.  I hope we can keep it going.  Beat Browns, Denver, Miami, and Jets.  Maybe sneak out another win against Pittsburgh or Dallas.  Now if the Patriots start to get dismantled by other teams going forward then maybe I will get greedy for the division (lol).  But I never expected the division this season.  However after watching the improvement this season I do expect us to push for the division seriously next season.

 

[jletha]

1 minute ago, dakrider said:

I think this will be a very tough game.  Bills are walking into a wounded badger den. You can bet Cleveland will be desperate to win.  Best thing to do is get up on Browns early and keep pouring it on and let them turn on each other. 

the good news is that they have very little veteran leadership to help them right the ship and a coach that is confused as anyone in the organization. While this also applied to the Eagles you knew they had the ability to channel their energy properly. The Browns just seem to implode week after week. That said this is the NFL and you can take any team lightly. I know McD will have these guys preparing like its the Patriots.

[Jerry Jabber]

4 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

What is Jauron ball 

Bland, boring, pop-warner style football (ask the Ghost of Turk Schonert).

[MikeSpeed]

15 minutes ago, Fred Slacks said:

I don't post often but I feel like everyone's clamoring for Daboll's play calling is so bipolar.  On the second series from first and goal we went backwards because he was too cute.  So we settled for a field goal.  Then on the third series of first and goal we run it right up the middle and get stuffed 3 times in a row.  Everyone whines that it was horrible play calling.  I am pretty sure McDermott has a say in a bit of that.  Also I have to imagine that the coaches want our team to impose our will on other teams.  Like how Philly did it to us.  McDermott always talks about establishing the line of scrimmage.  Also Frank Gore ran right up the middle against the Pat's defense just fine.  I put way less into play calling and more into execution.  When we went for it on 4th and 1 and got stuffed did anyone watch Mitch Morse get blown back into Gore?  That is hardly Gore's fault or the play call.  That is getting owned by the other player not he other line of scrimmage.  

 

 The first and goal where we went backwards was on Allen not the play calling. The play call was fine. The DB read it well that happens. Instead of trying to force the play by running around Allen should have thrown it out of the end zone. The next play we could have run it or tried anything else still from the 2 yard line. There are some times where the best play is to waste the play.

[dave mcbride]

59 minutes ago, Houston's #1 Bills Fan said:

Gotta check out some of the Twitter responses to Baker Mayfield after the game! Priceless!!!

 

https://sports.yahoo.com/cleveland-browns-baker-mayfield-looked-defeated-sad-broncos-loss-mustache-social-media-reaction-twitter-jokes-021137067.html

 

 

Awesome. This one might be my favorite:

 

 

[Wayne Arnold]

58 minutes ago, TH3 said:

4 teams s cored 30 yesterday....so that means.....?

 

Whats your point?

2 hours ago, aceman_16 said:

They did vs Miami.  Watch much?

 

Another one? Good Lord.

 

People here should have to pass a Message Board 101 exam to post here.

[K-9]

1 hour ago, dave mcbride said:

Also, I wish people would acknowledge that the Redskins defense is actually decent and possessing a pretty talented front seven (Kerrigan, Sweat, Payne, and Allen) along with Landon Collins. In the previous three games, they didn't allow the opponent to get 20 points, including on the road at Minnesota. 

The problem on those plays is that the DTs on Washington (Payne and Allen) have blue-chip level talent, and pretty much dominated the o-lineman they faced on those plays. Generally speaking, in the NFL the best line athletes play defense, and the worst ones play interior o-line. Mitch Morse is a good pass blocker, but in a low-man leverage competition against Da'Ron Payne, he is going to lose every time (which is what happened yesterday)--particularly on plays where Payne can sell out because he knows exactly what's coming (because the Bills short yardage playcalling is so predictable).

I was telling my brother all week that I doubt the Bills have or will have faced a better front all year. That’s a legit group. 

[Wayne Arnold]

2 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

Ok Nostradamus.

 

You're struggling, sir.

 

Nostradamus predicted the future. I’m not making any predictions. I just know that the Bills cannot beat teams with quality offenses like the Eagles, Patriots, Cowboys and Ravens with the offense performing as it has the first 8 games of the season. 

 

Bills could go 14-2 if the offense puts it together. We’ll see what happens.

[SoTier]

50 minutes ago, TH3 said:

Difference is Jauron lost....McD wins

 

McDermott wins against bad teams.  Not so much against good ones.   He's a significantly better coach and evaluator of talent than Jauron.  His assistants, however poor or mediocre they are, are better than Jauron's.  

 

The problem with Jauron ball -- which is sometimes called "small ball" in other places where they haven't had the misfortune to have Jauron coach their NFL team -- is that the conservative philosophy which emphasizes defense and low risk offense limits what a team can do.   In today's NFL, teams have to be able to score 3 or 4 TDs against most opponents if they want to be competitive with the big dogs in the league.  Moreover, they can't let up if they get up by 2 TDs because most quality teams have at least one -- and often several -- receivers (WRs and TEs) capable of scoring from any point on the field at any time.  Nothing says Jauron ball more than how conservative the play calling becomes after the Bills build up a lead.

[oldmanfan]

3 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

You're struggling, sir.

 

Nostradamus predicted the future. I’m not making any predictions. I just know that the Bills cannot beat teams with quality offenses like the Eagles, Patriots, Cowboys and Ravens with the offense performing as it has the first 8 games of the season. 

 

Bills could go 14-2 if the offense puts it together. We’ll see what happens.

You know they can't beat teams they're playing in the next few weeks.  You know.  But you're not playing Nostradamus.

 

OK.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

 

 

 

 

[billsfan89]

The Browns are still a talented team desperate for a win. They also can run the ball which makes them matchup well against the defense. Toss in the fact that this is an away game and I can easily see this being a down to the wire type game. Now a loss in Cleveland still leaves the Bills at 6-3 with 2 favored games and still leaves them on pace to go 10-6. But if you win in Cleveland you set yourself up to go 9-2 going into that horrid 4 game stretch (At Dallas, At NE, Ravens, and At Pitt.) So I think this game is not a must win but a win that the team really could and should get. 

 

As talented as the Browns are they are completely dysfunctional. They are poorly coached, coming apart at the seams, and they are not playing up to their talent level. If the Bills can gameplan to stop the run and use the teams secondary as a strength then they can game manage the offense into a close McD type win. 

[TH3]

19 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

Whats your point?

 

My point - as you probably already know but you are trying to be cute...is that your were trying to make it seem like the magic 30 point threshold was met early and often yesterday and in the last weeks by the "good" teams" that have "shown" something and are "worth" their record...

 

My point is - 30 points is not met as often as you think....

[PaattMaann]

32 minutes ago, MikeSpeed said:

 The first and goal where we went backwards was on Allen not the play calling. The play call was fine. The DB read it well that happens. Instead of trying to force the play by running around Allen should have thrown it out of the end zone. The next play we could have run it or tried anything else still from the 2 yard line. There are some times where the best play is to waste the play.

 

yes! again, a lot ISN'T play calling, its execution (just like the players have been saying).

 

However, the third and 4th down and 1 play calling was uninspired, tried ramming gore right up their gut from power formation almost every short yardage situation. Be creative.

[YoloinOhio]

1 hour ago, Boatdrinks said:

For sure. But man, if they lose......doooooooooooomed

In what way? They will be 6-3 like the ravens, Chiefs, Texans and still in strong playoff contention. Browns will be 3-6 and still not going to the playoffs. The Bills season won’t be over and the Browns season won’t be saved.

Edited November 4, 2019 by YoloinOhio

[Wayne Arnold]

5 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

You know they can't beat teams they're playing in the next few weeks.  You know.  But you're not playing Nostradamus.

 

OK.

 

Bills cannot perform the way they have at least the last three weeks and beat non-terrible teams.

 

That’s not a prediction. That’s simply reality.

[Warcodered]

3 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

Should the people he threatened feel more or less alarmed?

[Wayne Arnold]

6 minutes ago, TH3 said:

My point - as you probably already know but you are trying to be cute...is that your were trying to make it seem like the magic 30 point threshold was met early and often yesterday and in the last weeks by the "good" teams" that have "shown" something and are "worth" their record...

 

My point is - 30 points is not met as often as you think....

 

Offense is near the bottom of the league in most categories. Against a historically easy schedule.

 

But all is well because only 4 teams scored over 30 points this week.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

Who's to blame?   The Media   LOL 

 

 

 

 

 

[Chandler#81]

4 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

So the minimum acceptable perfomance is scoring on every possession?

Nope, not for these victims. They’ll just bark that the ‘Defense doesn’t score enough and we’re doomed because of it.’

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

4 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

Offense is near the bottom of the league in most categories. Against a historically easy schedule.

 

But all is well because only 4 teams scored over 30 points this week.

 

Six and Two 

Josh Allen   the past THREE games no INT's 

 

What is the team stat when Josh doesn't throw an INT ?     

 

pretty impressive IIRC 

Edited November 4, 2019 by SlimShady'sGhost

[MAJBobby]

 

[oldmanfan]

20 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

Bills cannot perform the way they have at least the last three weeks and beat non-terrible teams.

 

That’s not a prediction. That’s simply reality.

Sure it’s not.  Whatever you want to believe..