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Reading these boards the first few weeks of the year it seems discussing Allen is an emotional topic around here.  Imo some fans here will go at any length to defend him.  Which is understandable to me to some degree.  Josh certainly has a lot of likable traits to him to say the least.  Hard worker, humble, seemingly willing to improve himself, donates money to charity every TD pass, started at a junior college, hangs out at local high school games, etc...   Heck even some of his negative traits on the field is trying to do too much and willing to risk injury for the betterment of the team.  The twitter posts he did were dumb but hey who hasn't said stupid things when they were a kid.  I'm sure if I looked in my post history here there's some stupid stuff.  

 

So I tried to make the case he's a likable/relatable dude.  That being said I could separate the person from the football player.  I've always been in the middle on Josh from when he got drafted.  On draft night I didn't have a strong opinion on him.  Saw it as time will tell if he was a smart pick.  Today still in the middle, see things I like but still areas he can improve on.   He may or may not be the next Jim Kelly.  I've never played the game professionally and am just another fan though.  Hence the user name.

 

I'd admit there's a little of me that gets annoyed when outside fans might question his abilities.  I think it's because of his personality traits.  

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Another Fan said:

Reading these boards the first few weeks of the year it seems discussing Allen is an emotional topic around here.  Imo some fans here will go at any length to defend him.  Which is understandable to me to some degree.  Josh certainly has a lot of likable traits to him to say the least.  Hard worker, humble, seemingly willing to improve himself, donates money to charity every TD pass, started at a junior college, hangs out at local high school games, etc...   Heck even some of his negative traits on the field is trying to do too much and willing to risk injury for the betterment of the team.  The twitter posts he did were dumb but hey who hasn't said stupid things when they were a kid.  I'm sure if I looked in my post history here there's some stupid stuff.  

 

So I tried to make the case he's a likable/relatable dude.  That being said I could separate the person from the football player.  I've always been in the middle on Josh from when he got drafted.  On draft night I didn't have a strong onion on him.  Saw it as time will tell if he was a smart pick.  Today still in the middle, see things I like but still areas he can improve on.   He may or may not be the next Jim Kelly.  I've never played the game professionally and am just another fan though.  Hence the user name.

 

I'd admit there's a little of me that gets annoyed when outside fans might question his abilities.  I think it's because of his personality traits.  

 

 

 

 

Personally, I love the guy. But, I would look ridiculous in skinny jeans, so... no, not an extension of my personality. I just enjoy being a fan.

 

 

(Regarding the bolded), I don't think you need to look too far...

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Someone who is pro-Allen is so because of an emotional fixation, and not because he’s shown himself to be a good football player, who, even with mistakes is still way ahead of where the so-called experts (who now say he’s garbage because he isn’t perfect) say he was supposed to be?

 

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17 minutes ago, BillsFanInCt74 said:

Ya know Jim kelly had only a 60.1 comp% .  I think that is very doable for josh over his career if not better

Average completion percentage Kelly at age 30 was 56.0%.  Average completion percentage last year was 64.9%.  Different eras.

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6 hours ago, Another Fan said:

So I tried to make the case he's a likable/relatable dude.  That being said I could separate the person from the football player.  I've always been in the middle on Josh from when he got drafted.  On draft night I didn't have a strong onion on him.  Saw it as time will tell if he was a smart pick.  

 

 

 

 

Onions make me cry!!! ?

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The night of the Josh Allen NFL draft - my wife and I were on vacation in Charleston, S.C.

We went to dinner at a place that had a large TV that they changed to the NFL draft for us...ummm - l mean for me lol.

 

Honestly l was not happy because l read all the negatives about Allen and was concerned he could be as good as he has been.  The trading up to get Edmunds made me feel better.

 

As a fan - because l am happier when we are winning -  any Bills player is an extension of my personality maybe Allen a little more because he is a likable guy and hard worker. 

 

Ironically, his last name is my first name so hearing my buddies yell "Alright Allen!" sounds a lot better to me than "Awe #&#^% Allen!" lol 

 

 

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Yes, we are all emotional train wrecks, blindly following the irrational passions of our unruly hearts. 

 

Thank goodness we have the OP's superior objectivity, his sober grip on the realities of life and his calm and never erring guidance to help us separate fact from folly.

 

I am truly grateful.

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I watched the Grudens QB camp edition with Brett Favre yesterday.  He answered every question with the same answer I envision Allen replying.  “I did it because I can”.  “Because I wanted to make every throw, ‘the best throw ever’.”  He wanted to show off his talent.  He threw lots of picks because of it and I could care less.  I hope Josh Plays his career like Brett player his.  There will be frustrating moments, but lots of amazing moments.  Do you Josh Allen.  Let it rip

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27 minutes ago, Mickey said:

Yes, we are all emotional train wrecks, blindly following the irrational passions of our unruly hearts. 

 

Thank goodness we have the OP's superior objectivity, his sober grip on the realities of life and his calm and never erring guidance to help us separate fact from folly.

 

I am truly grateful.

You are most welcome good sir :)

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9 hours ago, BillsFanInCt74 said:

Ya know Jim kelly had only a 60.1 comp% .  I think that is very doable for josh over his career if not better

 

The problem with that particular comparison is "that was Then, this is Now".  The NFL is more passer-friendly; DB can no longer mug WR in the air.  Completion percentages are up and teams win on a pass-centric game.

 

21 minutes ago, NewEra said:

I watched the Grudens QB camp edition with Brett Favre yesterday.  He answered every question with the same answer I envision Allen replying.  “I did it because I can”.  “Because I wanted to make every throw, ‘the best throw ever’.”  He wanted to show off his talent.  He threw lots of picks because of it and I could care less.  I hope Josh Plays his career like Brett player his.  There will be frustrating moments, but lots of amazing moments.  Do you Josh Allen.  Let it rip

 

Except that Brett Favre only found success with his team, AFTER he reined in those gunslinger instincts and started trusting his coaches.

 

 

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I see Allen as an extension of myself because my whole sports entertainment world / happiness is wrapped up in Josh Allens development and ability to lead the Bills to victory.

 

Obviously I'm a huge homer that loves me some Josh Allen right about now.

 

 

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13 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

The problem with that particular comparison is "that was Then, this is Now".  The NFL is more passer-friendly; DB can no longer mug WR in the air.  Completion percentages are up and teams win on a pass-centric game.

 

 

Except that Brett Favre only found success with his team, AFTER he reined in those gunslinger instincts and started trusting his coaches.

 

 


After watching that show, I don’t think he ever reigned in those gunslinger instincts. 
 

his int% only went up as his career went on.  He talked consistently about trying to “show” people what he could do, just because he could.

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18 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

The problem with that particular comparison is "that was Then, this is Now".  The NFL is more passer-friendly; DB can no longer mug WR in the air.  Completion percentages are up and teams win on a pass-centric game.

 

 

Except that Brett Favre only found success with his team, AFTER he reined in those gunslinger instincts and started trusting his coaches.

 

 

Favre had two losing seasons his entire career, and one of them was his last year.    He had success almost immediately, and was about as up and down as a quarterback could be his entire career.    That said, he was a winner.   A lot like Josh Allen in that respect.

 

As an aside, Brett's 2006 season is almost exactly what Josh is on pace for this year.

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This may be a good thread to hang this on (may or may not involve paywall)

https://buffalonews.com/2019/10/24/buffalo-bills-josh-allen-vic-carucci-nfl-football/

 

Key quotes:

-Allen:  "Yeah, I've thought that for a long time now where I've come to grips with, no matter what you do in life, somebody's going to be upset or concerned or whatever it is," Allen said as he and his teammates prepared to face the Philadelphia Eagles Sunday. "And that's really the least of my problems. I care about what I'm doing for this football team, winning football games and just doing my job, what I'm asked to do."

-Barkley: "Win a Superbowl.....  I think that's the ultimate crowd-pleaser, right? ...we're not trying to appease the fan base. We're trying to get better as a team, win games. We're 5-1. That's really hard to do in this league."

-Dorsey:" "I think, in terms of Josh and who he is, he's a confident guy and doesn't let that stuff bother him. But I think, at the end of the day, the most important thing to him is the team. The best part about Josh is he really doesn't care if he throws the ball 50 times or he throws the ball 20 times or he throws the ball five times. The most important thing to him is the team and whatever you can do to help the team."

-Lee Smith:" "Whatever people out there potentially are desiring from Josh that he's not giving them, I sure hope he's not concerned with what people outside of this building think," tight end Lee Smith said. "Because all the people inside of it love the guy."

 

Key point: "on passes of 19 yards or fewer, Allen is the highest-graded passer in the NFL at 87.1 (75 attempts minimum) with 109 completions in 139 throws for 1,045 yards and six touchdowns. Of his 20 incompletions, he has had 11 passes dropped and his adjusted completion percentage of 86.3 is the third highest in the NFL from that distance, per PFF.

Conclusion: one of the bigger flaws in Allen's game as a rookie in 2018 – a reluctance, if not refusal, to throw shorter passes – has been fixed."

 

I don't see Josh Allen at all as an extension of my own personality, neither the high nor the low.  But I will say this: when evaluating the 2018 QB draft class, I think many of us under-rated the "It" factor, the charisma and leadership that lift a team and make them "willing to run through a brick wall for that guy".  And it seems pretty clear at this point, Allen has it.

 

 

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 I was in a Chicago mall recently and a father and son were next to me in line with a handful of sports cards. Josh Allen's card popped up and I heard the father say, theres Josh Allen. I almost found it my duty to ask them their opinion of Allen. They gave me a funny look and walked away! 

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16 hours ago, BillsFanInCt74 said:

Ya know Jim kelly had only a 60.1 comp% .  I think that is very doable for josh over his career if not better

People need to get off Josh Allen's behind. For the first time since Kelly I think we have a good quarterback, I didn't say great but he's better than anything we've had in long time. I think he can lead us to the playoffs, he needs to use his brains a bit more often tho. Sometimes he tries to do to much, and makes mistakes. But I think we'll be fine with him over the long run. 

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