Protocal69 Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 (edited) Just wanted to share a video I posted on Jetsnation.com under the username Mastenpark on how to beat cover 0. Video includes some Josh Allen footage with him trying to beat it vs New England Edited October 23, 2019 by Protocal69 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 Sometimes it isn't the Xs and Os it is the Jimmys and the Joes. 4 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 Nobody has figured it out yet 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLTbills Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 So all Leslie Frazier has to do is watch this YouTube video, and we can beat them? Book that guy a room at a Holiday Inn Express in Foxborough for December 21st! 1 8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 The Bills have about 9 weeks before they play NE again. I'm not expert or NFL OC and its easier said than done. But just a couple things I'd consider doing: 1) Bring on a full-time person who's only job is to break down every NE defensive snap this season. Identify any tendencies by personnel package, formation, down and distance, etc. Figure out what they might do and develop a predictive model. Then scout their future games between now and then and "test" your data/model against what they really do? The bottom line, can you predict what they are going to do consistently play after play? 2) Design your game plan to be formation neutral. Keep it simple. Don't give the defense any pre-snap clues based on how you line up although this might limit some play options. 3) Design your game plan to be personnel neutral. Same reason as number 2. 4) Move the QB around on pass plays, move the pocket. The Chiefs do a great job with Mahomes doing this. He's mobile and can pull it off. So can Allen. If the rush isn't sure where the QB "spot" is then it might impact the kind of pressure they can bring. 5) Play smart. Don't panic. The QB needs to make the smart play. Throw the ball away, take a sack, don't throw an easy pick. Maybe easier said than done but this is critical. 6) Run a good amount of draws and sweeps, misdirection type plays. They are aggressive. Use that to your advantage. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quinnearlysghost88 Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 you beat the cover 0 with screens, Jet sweeps, play actions and lots of pre-snap motion. Also, you need to keep a RB in the backfield. The Jets kept going empty backfield, which is a recipe for disaster. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 Or you can beat it by going over the top but you have to get the ball out quickly and almost pre-identify which matchup to target. Its a situation where you are saying "I'm throwing the ball up and either my guys outright beats your CB or i trust him to win a 50/50 ball" Also planned back shoulder throws could work as the DB would have his back turned runing with the receiver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 (edited) Belichick is notorious for focusing on one thing you do well and taking it away. He did it in the Super Bowl when he was the Giants DC. He continues to do it. The Pats run motion on offense to see what coverage the defense is in. Small simple thing, but helps Brady know pre snap what are his best matchups. Edited October 23, 2019 by atlbillsfan1975 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 30 minutes ago, quinnearlysghost88 said: you beat the cover 0 with screens, Jet sweeps, play actions and lots of pre-snap motion. Also, you need to keep a RB in the backfield. The Jets kept going empty backfield, which is a recipe for disaster. Excellent post, I don’t think keeping the RB in make a difference as the person covering him now becomes a rusher as well since it’s man to man coverage. The Bills bet it in the second half with quick slants.. 18 minutes ago, matter2003 said: Or you can beat it by going over the top but you have to get the ball out quickly and almost pre-identify which matchup to target. Its a situation where you are saying "I'm throwing the ball up and either my guys outright beats your CB or i trust him to win a 50/50 ball" Also planned back shoulder throws could work as the DB would have his back turned runing with the receiver. Back shoulder throws are not easy and require damn good accuracy because be off a wee bit and it can be intercepted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clearwater cadet Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 Sometimes you just gotta make a play. Many times I'v seen Eldman, Danny A. Gronk, etc make a catch and thought how is that possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 3 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Sometimes it isn't the Xs and Os it is the Jimmys and the Joes. that’s a great saying! I am going to co-opt it!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 3 hours ago, CaptnCoke11 said: Nobody has figured it out yet Everyone knows how, but you need the QB and athletes to do it. So far NE hasn't faced anyone that can beat their DB'S in cover 0. Cleveland actually has the right recipe to beat it. I wouldn't be shocked if Mayfield has a big day. OBJ may not beat Gilmore but it's going to be guys like Landry and Higgins that come up big. The Browns need to play Higgins this week. Mayfield needs to protect the football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 57 minutes ago, clearwater cadet said: Sometimes you just gotta make a play. Many times I'v seen Eldman, Danny A. Gronk, etc make a catch and thought how is that possible. Amendola used to kill us with those catches on 3rd down late in the game 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwksilver Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 Another ways to beat it: 1) No HERO BALL, 2) No cheap shots on our QB when down by 6, 3) No blocked punts for a cheap TD. FYI I like some of the thoughts mentioned above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgotBILLStopay Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 Aaron Rodgers is a stud! That post route completion was a beauty. The key for a QB to beat cover zero is to either: 1. Get the ball out of your hands quickly with Screens / Sweeps etc. 2. Buy time by scrambling away from the free rusher and give the receiver time to reach the center of the field. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 (edited) All these teams and QB’s act like they have never seen a blitz before. How can a moron like me identify the hot read while I am sitting my ugly azz on my couch, but these “professionals” play like a blitz Cover 0 scheme is alien to them. Makes me very dumbfounded. Edited October 23, 2019 by njbuff 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 1 hour ago, quinnearlysghost88 said: you beat the cover 0 with screens, Jet sweeps, play actions and lots of pre-snap motion. Also, you need to keep a RB in the backfield. The Jets kept going empty backfield, which is a recipe for disaster. Please send a memo to Daboll, because the Bills do this too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 4 hours ago, Protocal69 said: Just wanted to share a video I posted on Jetsnation.com under the username Mastenpark on how to beat cover 0. Video includes some Josh Allen footage with him trying to beat it vs New England Packers lost that game 31-17. Does that qualify as a ‘beat’ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 1 minute ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Packers lost that game 31-17. Does that qualify as a ‘beat’ I don't think he was claiming that "Beat Cover 0" is all that a team's gotta do for the W Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 16 minutes ago, njbuff said: All these teams and QB’s act like they have never seen a blitz before. How can a moron like me identify the hot read while I am sitting my ugly azz on my couch, but these “professionals” play like a blitz Cover 0 scheme is alien to them. Makes me very dumbfounded. It's infuriating! Like, you don't have time for your receivers to run 10-15 yard routes when they're sending the house. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 14 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said: It's infuriating! Like, you don't have time for your receivers to run 10-15 yard routes when they're sending the house. Screens, draws, quick slants and a bludgeoning running game would help. The only team that possessed any of these elements against NE, was Buffalo. And if Allen didn’t get KO’Ed, the Bills might win that game. A 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobillsinytown Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 As much as I hate to say this, the Patriots D is the best in the league right now. If they keep playing like that I don't see anyone beating them. I'm an amateur like everybody else, but you can tell when everyone on a defense is playing together and on the same page. Everyone on the D understands the scheme and everyone knows what everyone else is going to do. When they're playing like that it doesn't really matter what adjustments an offense makes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalostu2 Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 It won't matter what the Bills do to prepare if Belichek is watching them practice. They have been caught before and I THINK they are still doing it one way or another. Belichek is a Navy brat, surveillance is historically the primary Naval strategy isn't it? Run real practices indoors and run fake practices outdoors. That strategy won the Eagles a Superbowl against the Pats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 16 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I don't think he was claiming that "Beat Cover 0" is all that a team's gotta do for the W Sure.... I guess my thought is cover 0 works for New England because it forces low percentage throws. Add the Belichick scheme where he mans his best corner on the opposing best(or sometimes second best wr) the brackets the other side, clogs the middle and sends disguised pass rushes... it becomes even lower percentage. Only the best QB and WR tandems can take it on well. And the list of good experienced QBs isn’t backfilling. I do think the the other way to beat it, is spread 5 wide and attack the best match up. Bubble screen, jet sweeps. Got spread it out enough to take away some of the ability to disguise. Honestly I’d look for film on how Beli attack’s cover 0. It would propel help explain how the defense work in his head. So you might hit here or there, but it’s not going to win games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 Thought this was an interesting read on the subject. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 1 minute ago, Big C said: Thought this was an interesting read on the subject. beat me to it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fan_in_tx Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 1 hour ago, matter2003 said: Amendola used to kill us with those catches on 3rd down late in the game 2013 Season Opener comes to mind. EJ had Pats down 21-20 3-8 with 1.20 on the clock he makes a 10yd catch.. 2015 week 2 Bills Down 37-32 and momentum he makes a 29 yd catch over A Williams.. I was at both games and he killed us both games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 1 hour ago, Reed83HOF said: beat me to it! I love this kind of stuff. It's what makes this sport so special. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 2 hours ago, gobillsinytown said: As much as I hate to say this, the Patriots D is the best in the league right now. If they keep playing like that I don't see anyone beating them. I'm an amateur like everybody else, but you can tell when everyone on a defense is playing together and on the same page. Everyone on the D understands the scheme and everyone knows what everyone else is going to do. When they're playing like that it doesn't really matter what adjustments an offense makes. Returned 10 starters which they haven't done for years on that side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, quinnearlysghost88 said: you beat the cover 0 with screens, Jet sweeps, play actions and lots of pre-snap motion. Also, you need to keep a RB in the backfield. The Jets kept going empty backfield, which is a recipe for disaster. Jet sweep right into the blitzing defenders off tHe edge? Yeah that’s incorrect. Cover zero pressure relies on your hot WR beating his man 1v1 and the QB recognizing it and delivering an accurate ball. Edited October 23, 2019 by CaptnCoke11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quinnearlysghost88 Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 1 hour ago, CaptnCoke11 said: Jet sweep right into the blitzing defenders off tHe edge? Yeah that’s incorrect. Cover zero pressure relies on your hot WR beating his man 1v1 and the QB recognizing it and delivering an accurate ball. Who said the defender is blitzing off that edge? That's for the QB to read pre-snap. Also, there's always someone rushing the edge when you run a Jet Sweep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 (edited) Bumping this thread since it’s basically the issue the Bills offense had with Cleveland and that they will continue seeing until they beat it. There has has to be some play that counters it. And I’m not talking about chucking an arm punt up for the fastest guy to get to. Edited November 12, 2019 by Over 29 years of fanhood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILBillsfan Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 Was mentioned in the presser by Daboll, Josh made correct read and described the Wr then does a go route or back shoulder based on the single corners play. The CB play set up back shoulder as the executed vs Jets and in other times they just missed on this one Brown said he messed up. As for the it Beasley was wide open the read is to the one on one match w/Brown its not a deep throw it’s an untermediate route that Josh and Smoke had success w before that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Coot Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 3 hours ago, ILBillsfan said: Was mentioned in the presser by Daboll, Josh made correct read and described the Wr then does a go route or back shoulder based on the single corners play. The CB play set up back shoulder as the executed vs Jets and in other times they just missed on this one Brown said he messed up. As for the it Beasley was wide open the read is to the one on one match w/Brown its not a deep throw it’s an untermediate route that Josh and Smoke had success w before that one. Beasley said it previously: "It's not the play calling, its the Jimmys & Joes." Can you imagine Brady and [fill in any Patriot's receiver you like] not being on the same page? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 How has it worked over in "Jetsnation"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 (edited) 9 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Bumping this thread since it’s basically the issue the Bills offense had with Cleveland and that they will continue seeing until they beat it. There has has to be some play that counters it. And I’m not talking about chucking an arm punt up for the fastest guy to get to. Actually, I just watched the Chiefs do a variation of what you described Vs TEN and it worked like a charm. Didn’t seem like anything Allen couldn’t do either. They used motion to draw a defender to the right side of the field , leaving the left side wide open. Hill ran a corner route to the open ( left) side. Perfect, and uncoverable according to Romo. One read, two second throw. Another WR was open in the middle of the EZ, but looked like Mahomes knew he was throwing the corner the whole time. There were about 7 mins left in the 3rd quarter. Perfectly designed cover zero beater. Any speed WR could beat that coverage, although obviously Hill is great at it. Would have been an easier completion than the route they tried vs CLE imo Edited November 13, 2019 by Boatdrinks 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 4 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: Actually, I just watched the Chiefs do a variation of what you described Vs TEN and it worked like a charm. Didn’t seem like anything Allen couldn’t do either. They used motion to draw a defender to the right side of the field , leaving the left side wide open. Hill ran a corner route to the open ( left) side. Perfect, and uncoverable according to Romo. One read, two second throw. Another WR was open in the middle of the EZ, but looked like Mahomes knew he was throwing the corner the whole time. There were about 7 mins left in the 3rd quarter. Perfectly designed cover zero beater. Any speed WR could beat that coverage, although obviously Hill is great at it. Would have been an easier completion than the route they tried vs CLE imo motion works beautifully against this coverage and i agree, it is way better than the back shoulder or over the top throw (we are 3 for 10 on them against Cover 0). I think you need to show that you can consistently do both and to date, the only other time I recall us using motion was the Singletary play earlier in the drive where the pass was deflected - he would have had a massive gain. I put the miss on that on Josh throwing it into the defender instead of putting enough air under it - he panicked and rushed it. I still feel like WR is such a glaring weakness for us, we have 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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