Josh Allen - week SEVEN report card

[Big Blitz]

If he threw for 350 yards it'd be "but it was against Miami!  Do it against a real team!"

 

 

So clearly based on the 1st half....and a decent chunk of the 2nd, our defense sucks.  

[LSHMEAB]

31 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Wasn’t just the 14 points, it was consistently giving up easy yards and first downs. The offense overcame a below average defensive effort today imo. To be fair I expect more from the defense because we have a lot more talent on that side of the ball.

The defense was not good and the Dolphins offense is bad. But their defense is quite possibly worse and was really thin in the secondary. Allen failed multiple times to find the open target despite outstanding protection. Those are just the facts.

 

All the credit in the world for rebounding in the second half, but that first half was BAD. I don't know that it's reasonable to assume an OUTSTANDING defensive performance every single game. 

 

I think this team really has the makings of something special; Allen is going to have to get better at some point soon if that's going to come to fruition. I'm thinking big here.

 

 

[GoBills808]

Just now, LSHMEAB said:

The defense was not good and the Dolphins offense is bad. But their defense is quite possibly worse and was really thin in the secondary. Allen failed multiple times to find the open target despite outstanding protection. Those are just the facts.

 

All the credit in the world for rebounding in the second half, but that first half was BAD. I don't know that it's reasonable to assume an OUTSTANDING defensive performance every single game. 

 

I think this team really has the makings of something special; Allen is going to have to get better at some point soon if that's going to come to fruition. I'm thinking big here.

 

 

This wasn’t an outstanding defensive performance is my point. And it still goes into the W column.

 

I’ll reserve judgement on who was or wasn’t open until game film comes out.

[LSHMEAB]

Just now, GoBills808 said:

This wasn’t an outstanding defensive performance is my point. And it still goes into the W column.

Oh, it was most certainly not an outstanding defensive performance. Milano's absence appears to be a big deal. Maybe I wasn't clear. And a dub is indeed a dub.

[JoPar_v2]

Allen, considering the level of opposition today, gets a D. Nice to have a guy with a rocket for a right arm and can’t hit the broad side of a barn from 30+ yards. Good win. Tre’s the MVP. Allen is frustrating as hell. Should have beat this miami team by 25.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, Jerome007 said:

While it was my reaction, it was because of déjà vu. Not the first it has happened. Last year they could get blown out one or two games then come back super stiff. Weird almost.  

 

My tentative hypothesis is that while our depth is better, being down 2 LB was hurting us a lot (Milano and the one who is is backup and has been out recovering from surgery)

[rayray808]

curious if the Josh doubters on here would have rather had this stat line:

 

Bills win.

 

Josh Allen - 9 for 20 - 143 yards - 0 TD - 0 INT - 14 rushes - 116 yards - 1 rushing TD

 

(what Lamar Jackson did today)

 

I personally would rather have Joshʻs stat line from today as I do not find what Lamar did as sustainable

[bigK14094]

He is developing....and, I think, at least on schedule.  He isn't a complete  QB yet folks, and it may take a year or two more.....but, he is progressing.  It just won't all get done this year.  Yes, I know, you want a Super Bowl every year.  Josh may not be ready to deliver that baby yet.   Has a second year QB ever won a SB?  I don't know.......

[Wayne Arnold]

1 minute ago, rayray808 said:

curious if the Josh doubters on here would have rather had this stat line:

 

Bills win.

 

Josh Allen - 9 for 20 - 143 yards - 0 TD - 0 INT - 14 rushes - 116 yards - 1 rushing TD

 

(what Lamar Jackson did today)

 

I personally would rather have Joshʻs stat line from today as I do not find what Lamar did as sustainable

 

Now someone is comparing the Dolphins defense to the Seahawks defense.

 

In Seattle.

 

In the rain.

 

The excuses for Allen will never cease to amaze me.

[Teddy KGB]

8 minutes ago, JoPar_v2 said:

Allen, considering the level of opposition today, gets a D. Nice to have a guy with a rocket for a right arm and can’t hit the broad side of a barn from 30+ yards. Good win. Tre’s the MVP. Allen is frustrating as hell. Should have beat this miami team by 25.

 

Missed the broad side of the barn here ??‍♂️??‍♂️

 

No need to tell stories.   We saw the game 

 

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap3000001067412/Josh-Allen-hits-John-Brown-for-20-yard-TD-to-give-Bills-fourth-quarter-lead

[Scott7975]

2 hours ago, Seven-N-Nine said:

Well, I guss I'll go B+ due to no turnovers. Missed another deep throw TD, and ofc the 3rd qtr issues continue.

 

3rd qtr issues continue?  He got the ball one time in the third quarter and drove the team for a TD.

 

Solid B for me.  I don't think he was all that bad in the first half.  Penalties took stuff away.  Money balls dropped took stuff away.  He could have played better but people are acting as if he was a disaster.

Edited October 21, 2019 by Scott7975

[JoPar_v2]

21 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

 

Missed the broad side of the barn here ??‍♂️??‍♂️

 

No need to tell stories.   We saw the game 

 

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap3000001067412/Josh-Allen-hits-John-Brown-for-20-yard-TD-to-give-Bills-fourth-quarter-lead

As did i teddy. Start another thread that gets chopped within an hour 

Edited October 21, 2019 by Hapless Bills Fan
Inappropriate language

[Teddy KGB]

32 minutes ago, JoPar_v2 said:

As did i teddy. Start another thread that gets chopped within an hour

 

Sorry you can’t crusade about Allen without being smacked with facts ???.  

 

I see youre crying about Allen in the defense and game day thread too.    

 

Take a deep breath, you’re doing it all wrong. 

 

5-1 brings the tears ??????

Edited October 21, 2019 by Teddy KGB

[CincyBillsFan]

15 minutes ago, rayray808 said:

curious if the Josh doubters on here would have rather had this stat line:

 

Bills win.

 

Josh Allen - 9 for 20 - 143 yards - 0 TD - 0 INT - 14 rushes - 116 yards - 1 rushing TD

 

(what Lamar Jackson did today)

 

I personally would rather have Joshʻs stat line from today as I do not find what Lamar did as sustainable

 

This is a great point.  I watched that game and Jackson was a big part of the Ravens win as were two defensive TD's.  Both Jackson & Allen are winning games in an unconventional manner.  I'm with you in thinking Jackson's way is not sustainable.  But who knows.  Conventional wisdom is only wisdom until it isn't.

 

Both young QB's are in different ways CLUTCH & PLAY MAKERS.  

 

 

[JoPar_v2]

15 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

 

Sorry you can’t crusade about Allen without being smacked with facts ???.  

 

I see youre crying about Allen in the defense thread too.    

 

Take a deep breath, you’re doing it all wrong. 

 

5-1 brings the tears ??????

all right then let me expound: Allen, again, looked excellent on intermediate routes and made clutch throws when needed. He looked very good on the designed runs even though i’d prefer Daboll not dial those up that much.

 

he hasn’t completed a deep ball all year, and he’s so far off on all of them i doubt they even attempt many going forward. He took a sack in the 3rd where he held the ball for 8 seconds. His awareness is, lacking. But he still makes enough plays to win and has an all-world defense to bail him out most days so it’s all gravy. If you think this kid, as currently constructed, is going to win your team anything of substance, you’re mistaken.

 

that’s the last one for you btw. You’re a bully poster who needles anyone who slightly disagrees with you.

[CincyBillsFan]

21 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

Now someone is comparing the Dolphins defense to the Seahawks defense.

 

In Seattle.

 

In the rain.

 

The excuses for Allen will never cease to amaze me.

 

Okay if you don't like that comparison how about this one against the very bad Pittsburgh Defense:

 

The Ravens beat Pitt 26 - 23 in OT and Jackson was:

 

Passing:  19 - 28 for 161 yards, 1 TD & 3 INT.

Rushing:  14 carries for 70 yards.  Had the run that out the ravens in position to kick the game winning FG.

 

 

 

[BringBackOrton]

1 hour ago, SJDK said:

I’d like to know which qb these negative Nancy’s would rather have on this team and you can’t say brady or Rogers? Also put their current 2019 regular season record after their name

Deshaun Watson. Please and thanks.

1 hour ago, billsfan1959 said:

And if he won the Super Bowl, you would find the most negative interpretation possible of his play...

 

Right. Josh Allen is looking Super Bowl caliber for sure

1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

 

Yeah, that was one of 3 bad plays that he had today. You're right that he didn't play a perfect game. Was anyone arguing that?

It was a brain dead play.

[Pokebball]

1 hour ago, 808 said:

Do you? He had an underwhelming day. If you guys want to play everyone gets a trophy participation awards thats cool you guys can hand out all the above average grades you want. 
it wasnt good. Multiple times during the game the showed wrs open and him not even looking that way. Over throwing brown/roberts by 10 yards was bad. Had a nice throw to brown on the td and a good throw over the middle to knox which he dropped but that was above average. 
maybe it was above average for josh allen but not for the NFL in 2019. 
Happy they got the win but that wasnt above average. 

A couple of things. First of all, if the other 10 offensive players we're all perfect then you would have a point blaming Allen for the offense's performance. Of course we know they weren't.

 

Secondly, I know there is one person that agrees with you , and that is Josh Allen. The leader that he is, he takes 100% responsibility for all of the mistakes and credits his teammates for the successes.

[SJDK]

Just now, BringBackOrton said:

Deshaun Watson. Please and thanks.

Hmm you forgot Deshaun Watson’s record. His team is 4-3, I’ll take Josh Allen. You’re welcome. 

[Bangarang]

43 minutes ago, rayray808 said:

curious if the Josh doubters on here would have rather had this stat line:

 

Bills win.

 

Josh Allen - 9 for 20 - 143 yards - 0 TD - 0 INT - 14 rushes - 116 yards - 1 rushing TD

 

(what Lamar Jackson did today)

 

I personally would rather have Joshʻs stat line from today as I do not find what Lamar did as sustainable

Would I rather have a worse stat line? No that’s silly.

 

If the only thing that matters is getting a win then Lamar shouldn’t be criticized either regardless of his stat line. That’s how it works right?

Edited October 21, 2019 by Bangarang

[BringBackOrton]

Just now, SJDK said:

Hmm you forgot Deshaun Watson’s record. His team is 4-3, I’ll take Josh Allen. You’re welcome. 

The Buffalo Bills are 5-1. 

 

Anyone who would take Allen over Watson is insane. If you called Houston and said we’d give you Allen and two firsts for Watson, they’d laugh and hang up. 

 

Insanity.

[Teddy KGB]

1 minute ago, BringBackOrton said:

 If you called Houston and said we’d give you Allen and two firsts for Watson, they’d laugh and hang up. 

 

 

 

After approving the trade ? 

[SJDK]

1 minute ago, BringBackOrton said:

The Buffalo Bills are 5-1. 

 

Anyone who would take Allen over Watson is insane. If you called Houston and said we’d give you Allen and two firsts for Watson, they’d laugh and hang up. 

 

Insanity.

My point is that winning has a lot to do with the quarterback position and I’d still take josh.. but give me Watson’s receivers

[John from Riverside]

51 minutes ago, JoPar_v2 said:

Allen, considering the level of opposition today, gets a D. Nice to have a guy with a rocket for a right arm and can’t hit the broad side of a barn from 30+ yards. Good win. Tre’s the MVP. Allen is frustrating as hell. Should have beat this miami team by 25.

Moronic

 

miami is an nfl team even if it is a bad one

 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Josh Allen is Blake Bortles or Mark Sanchez. Great team being held back by the QB position.

[BringBackOrton]

4 minutes ago, SJDK said:

My point is that winning has a lot to do with the quarterback position and I’d still take josh.. but give me Watson’s receivers

Oh it does? Do touchdowns have a lot to do with winning? Because Watson has ~ 10 TD’s more than Josh does this year. Do interceptions have a lot to do with winning? Because Watson has thrown less than half as many as Josh has. Actually, Josh has thrown 1 less career INT than Watson has and Josh has played 12 less games.

 

But sure. You’d take Allen. 

Edited October 21, 2019 by BringBackOrton

[Augie]

3 hours ago, RiotAct said:

C/C+.   Some atrocious throws and bad decisions.  

 

His long ball is....way too long most of the time. Having said that, he had good numbers despite some terrible drops. I’m a Knox fan, but the rookie did the team no favors today. The one drop was just horrible. Another would have been a very nice catch. The penalty didn’t help either, but he wasn’t alone there.... We expected the offense to be a project, and that’s the case. 

 

Josh didn’t turn the ball over, even under duress where he used to make the knuckleheaded throw/pick. I think you are dwelling on the past a bit. I’d give at least a solid B. Hit a long ball and that goes way up. 

[wiley16350]

3 hours ago, ALLEN1QB said:

Josh Allen is really starting to worry me. I am starting to question his overall intelligence. Making the same dumb mistakes over and over again why take a sack when you are well out of the pocket.  Throw it out of bounds for God's sakes he is two yards from the sidelines and he takes a sack

Yeah because it's easy to throw out of bounds after breaking 4 tackles and still have a 5th guy to deal with.  At what point did he actually have position and time to throw it away?  You probably like Tyrod Taylor and had no problem with him walking out of bounds for a 2 yard loss.  Allen has clearly shown the willingness to throw the ball away so I think I will side with him in that he just didn't have a good moment to do so while trying to avoid all of the defenders.

[Augie]

5 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said:

Oh it does? Do touchdowns have a lot to do with winning? Because Watson has ~ 10 TD’s more than Josh does this year. Do interceptions have a lot to do with winning? Because Watson has thrown less than half as many as Josh has. Actually, Josh has thrown 1 less career INT than Watson has and Josh has played 12 less games.

 

But sure. You’d take Allen. 

 

Oh, you’re still looking backwards. Nice. Are you still regretting decisions you made at the Prom? At what point do you move on? Do you realize we had a different GM during that draft? Are you going to have anything about this on your tombstone?

 

I prefer to be forward looking. You can’t change the past, so I won’t make myself miserable over any water under the bridge. It happened, mourn a little and move on with life. But maybe that’s just me. 

[BringBackOrton]

1 minute ago, Augie said:

 

Oh, you’re still looking backwards. Nice. Are you still regretting decisions you made at the Prom? At what point do you move on? Do you realize we had a different GM during that draft? Are you going to have anything about this on your tombstone?

 

I prefer to be forward looking. You can’t change the past, so I won’t make myself miserable over any water under the bridge. It happened, mourn a little and move on with life. But maybe that’s just me. 

If you follow the conversation, I was asked point blank what QB I’d rather have. If you look too forward, you might miss the posts I’m responding to.

Edited October 21, 2019 by BringBackOrton

[Pokebball]

14 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Josh Allen is Blake Bortles or Mark Sanchez. Great team being held back by the QB position.

LOL. Did you just say the Biils have a great offense that is being held back by Allen?

[wiley16350]

3 hours ago, Seven-N-Nine said:

Well, I guss I'll go B+ due to no turnovers. Missed another deep throw TD, and ofc the 3rd qtr issues continue.

You do realize that the Bills had 1 possession in the 3rd quarter and it ended with a touchdown in the 4th quarter?

[Augie]

Just now, BringBackOrton said:

If you follow the conversation, I was asked point blank what QB I’d rather have. If you look too forward, you might miss the posts I’m responding to.

 

OK, I didn’t read EVERY post in every thread. I just get tired of the “we should have....” posts. That’s weak and tired. But if it’s in that context then that’s cool and fair enough. 

[wiley16350]

3 hours ago, Chicharito said:

D and it’s only because we got the win. Countless receivers jumping, screaming wide open and he looked them off or never looked in that direction. I’m hoping he can work out his issues but it’s getting scary.

That happened once and the guy he threw it to dropped the ball

[billsfan1959]

36 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said:

Right. Josh Allen is looking Super Bowl caliber for sure

 

Please tell us the one again about how Allen is the same as Tim Tebow... That one never gets old...really

 

 

 

12 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said:

If you follow the conversation, I was asked point blank what QB I’d rather have. If you look too forward, you might miss the posts I’m responding to.

No need to follow the conversation very far. Your posts are always the same: Some variation of Josh Allen sucks

Edited October 21, 2019 by billsfan1959

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 minute ago, wiley16350 said:

You do realize that the Bills had 1 possession in the 3rd quarter and it ended with a touchdown in the 4th quarter?

 

I doubt he does.  Hint, Seven-n-Nine - Miami drive in the 3Q lasted 9:59 and ended in INT.  Bills then Had a 6+ minute 98 yd drive ending in TD, extending into 4Q.

Since what most have complained of is the O being flat or ineffective in the 3Q, one can’t say that this game.  Previously, of course, the D was stout in the 3Q

 

1 minute ago, Pokebball said:

LOL. Did you just say the Biils have a great offense that is being held back by Allen?

 

He did.  A lot of bad takes in this thread.

[Don Otreply]

Anyone less lazy than me know what Allen’s 2nd half completion percentage was, thanks in advance, ?

 

Go Bills!!!

[Locomark]

2 hours ago, 808 said:

What did mitch trubisky finish with last year? blake bortles was 13-3!!! Hahahaha

This is just becoming silly now. If you actually think Allen is on the same level as Mitch or Bortles then you have a screw loose and you obviously just live to complain about the best QB we have had in 20 years.  I live in Chicago, Mitch sucks and they won’t go more than 8-8 with an awesome defense primarily because of him. 

[Jerome007]

1 hour ago, Bangarang said:

Would I rather have a worse stat line? No that’s silly.

 

If the only thing that matters is getting a win then Lamar shouldn’t be criticized either regardless of his stat line. That’s how it works right?

Lamar is praised to no end by the big football media. I watched the half-time show of that game but not the game itself, and by the tone I thought he had been killing them and then I see 5 for 12, 100 yards. WTH. His 3 highlights (2 passes and 1 run) were amazing though, no lie. But he must not have done that much more in regards to his stats. And at that time it was 13-13, which their defense scoring a TD. So it's not like the Ravens was killing it yet they keep praising him. I am aware Lamar had a better second half but both he and Josh win "differently" yet for some reason mostly Jackson gets the praise & attention, and so many Bills fans on here badmouth Allen more than anyone in the media.

[ALLEN1QB]

1 hour ago, wiley16350 said:

Yeah because it's easy to throw out of bounds after breaking 4 tackles and still have a 5th guy to deal with.  At what point did he actually have position and time to throw it away?  You probably like Tyrod Taylor and had no problem with him walking out of bounds for a 2 yard loss.  Allen has clearly shown the willingness to throw the ball away so I think I will side with him in that he just didn't have a good moment to do so while trying to avoid all of the defenders.

Ahhhh yea ok what ever you say.