First impression: Rosen for the Phins

[Hapless Bills Fan]

Just for the record, bottom line up front: Allen is Right Josh for B'lo, but Rosen is showing some decent play.

 

Taking impression from this capture of every Rosen throw vs. Cowboys. 

Rosen's stat line for the game: 20-41 for 229 yds, 0 TD, 0 INT, 3 sacks for 18 yds. 

TOP was pretty equal - Phins 29:04 to Boys 30:56.  The Phins moved the ball, but struggled to convert 3rd downs (3 of 15).

Phins seemed to be playing a fairly disciplined game (not many penalties). 

 

The big difference in the game was Dallas run game, and not just Zeke but Tony Pollard

 

OK, my impressions:

1) Rosen is suffering what Allen suffered last year: Lots of WR drops of potentially catchable balls.  His completion % really should have been higher.

2) When given time, Rosen was doing a decent job of standing in, making the right read, and distributing the ball.  He has learned to sling it out fast to the hot read.  Bills need to be prepared to limit what Phins gain from it. 

3) Rosen is far less immobile than he was last year.  Survival skill I guess.  I'm not seeing good movement in the pocket, but to be fair I'm not seeing a lot of pocket to move in much of the time.

4) When he's flushed out of the pocket, Rosen makes dangerous throws into heavy coverage as we've seen from Josh Allen at times.  But this isn't just to a WR who looks open and missing that there's a safety positioned to jump the route - Rosen was slinging it out to double covered WRs, trying to make something happen.  Dumb throws.  Cowboys should have picked him 3-4 times.  Bills DBs should hit the jugs.
5) Anyone who thinks you can't ruin a QB or at least stunt his development as a pro by putting him in a bad situation behind a bad OL and with poor WR, isn't paying attention.

6) Plays I saw, it appeared that the Phins players were trying.  No one seemed to be phoning it in.

 

 

 

 

[YoloinOhio]

Have a Chargers fan friend who said he thought Rosen looked pretty good in their game. He didn’t know if the chargers D was just sleepwalking but he said he wasn’t bad. I personally have watched zero Fish football this year 

[Happy]

As long as the Bills treat the Dolphins like a professional football team, they shouldn't have any problem.  Just don't take them lightly, like it is a scrimmage; I don't see McD or the rest of the team falling into that trap.

[Warcodered]

3 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

5) Anyone who thinks you can't ruin a QB or at least stunt his development as a pro by putting him in a bad situation behind a bad OL and with poor WR, isn't paying attention.

I hope he keeps going out there trying to win even if it does mean he's making a lot of stupid plays, which yes is good for us but speaking from an angle of rooting for this kid to make it I still hope the same thing. I mean I there's really two ways I see things going for him right now fighting trying to find a way to win or giving up and mailing it in because you know you're not. Playing hero ball making dumb mistakes can teach some bad habits but I think getting broken in a way that you're not trying anymore would be far worse.

[YoloinOhio]

1 minute ago, Happy Gilmore said:

As long as the Bills treat the Dolphins like a professional football team, they shouldn't have any problem.  Just don't take them lightly, like it is a scrimmage; I don't see McD or the rest of the team falling into that trap.

Me neither. There have been zero signs of that. 

[Warcodered]

3 minutes ago, Happy Gilmore said:

As long as the Bills treat the Dolphins like a professional football team, they shouldn't have any problem.  Just don't take them lightly, like it is a scrimmage; I don't see McD or the rest of the team falling into that trap.

Yeah I don't see this team and coaching staff looking past anyone. At the same time even if Miami does do the whole trap thing and punch them in the mouth I just don't see the Bills not being able to adjust and take the game back anyway.

Edited October 12, 2019 by Warcodered

[LeGOATski]

I haven't watched any Phins games, tbh. Gonna have to hit the game rewinds this weekend

[Vod Kanockers]

I just hope that Buffalo doesn’t try to sit on a 7-0 lead if they get out to an early start, in order to show good “sportsmanship” ?‍♂️☠️?

[Real McClappy]

That hit on Hurns was Brutal.

 

Rosen was laying Dimes with crazy drops as OP pointed out.  

 

If the Game slows down for Rosen by like 300-500ms look out, he actually looked good in this game.

 

Give him a line and some better WR's and look out. I think the Dolphins should trade him. I don't want to see him if the FO goes Buffalo and gets the right people finally.

 

It looks very similar to Allen his rookie year in many aspects with Allen with the Wr drops and crap Oline. 

 

Edited October 12, 2019 by Real McCoy

[mramefa]

Considering how bad the dolphins have been, he will probably get a shot at another team next year (at least as a backup). He's played as well as Fitzpatrick with the dolphins, which is a good sign.

 

Personally I don't think he's a starter in the league, but I think he's done as well as a second choice could given his poor teams.

[MJS]

51 minutes ago, Real McCoy said:

That hit on Hurns was Brutal.

 

Rosen was laying Dimes with crazy drops as OP pointed out.  

 

If the Game slows down for Rosen by like 300-500ms look out, he actually looked good in this game.

 

Give him a line and some better WR's and look out. I think the Dolphins should trade him. I don't want to see him if the FO goes Buffalo and gets the right people finally.

 

It looks very similar to Allen his rookie year in many aspects with Allen with the Wr drops and crap Oline. 

 

I think it would be fun if the Bills, Jets, and Dolphins all found their QB from the same draft and had good teams. Obviously I want the Bills to be the best of the bunch, though.

[ExiledInIllinois]

1 hour ago, Vod Kanockers said:

I just hope that Buffalo doesn’t try to sit on a 7-0 lead if they get out to an early start, in order to show good “sportsmanship” ?‍♂️☠️?

That's so Kirk Ferentz in Iowa.  If there is any college so "Billsy" it's the Hawkeyes.  Snake biten is an understatement!

[JaBu]

2 hours ago, Vod Kanockers said:

I just hope that Buffalo doesn’t try to sit on a 7-0 lead if they get out to an early start, in order to show good “sportsmanship” ?‍♂️☠️?

 

I hope to see a lot of Matt Barkley playing, because they are so far ahead that they want to rest Josh and get Matt some reps.

 

[Big Turk]

2 hours ago, Real McCoy said:

That hit on Hurns was Brutal.

 

Rosen was laying Dimes with crazy drops as OP pointed out.  

 

If the Game slows down for Rosen by like 300-500ms look out, he actually looked good in this game.

 

Give him a line and some better WR's and look out. I think the Dolphins should trade him. I don't want to see him if the FO goes Buffalo and gets the right people finally.

 

It looks very similar to Allen his rookie year in many aspects with Allen with the Wr drops and crap Oline. 

 

It doesn't matter. No QB really looks good against the Bills D.

[GunnerBill]

Rosen the last two weeks has played really solid football despite being on a total ***** show of a football team. 

 

He isn't playing to be the starter for the 2020 Dolphins here, he is playing for his NFL career, and if he can continue to put on tape some of what he has put out there the last two weeks he will get another shot somewhere - maybe not as a starter in 2020 - but somewhere down the road. 

[billsfan1959]

9 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

Rosen the last two weeks has played really solid football despite being on a total ***** show of a football team. 

 

He isn't playing to be the starter for the 2020 Dolphins here, he is playing for his NFL career, and if he can continue to put on tape some of what he has put out there the last two weeks he will get another shot somewhere - maybe not as a starter in 2020 - but somewhere down the road. 

I am not a fan of Rosen for reasons other than his football skills; however, I am not a hater either. From purely a talent perspective, I always thought Rosen could be successful in this league. He has had the misfortune of landing on, perhaps, the worst team in football in each of his first two years in the league. It would be hard to accurately judge any QB in those situations.

 

I think he has played well, considering the circumstances and, if things do not improve for him over the remainder of this season, I wonder how much damage these first two years will have caused - both to his psyche and to the perception of his abilities on the part of GMs and coaches around the league?

[GunnerBill]

4 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

I am not a fan of Rosen for reasons other than his football skills; however, I am not a hater either. From purely a talent perspective, I always thought Rosen could be successful in this league. He has had the misfortune of landing on, perhaps, the worst team in football in each of his first two years in the league. It would be hard to accurately judge any QB in those situations.

 

I think he has played well, considering the circumstances and, if things do not improve for him over the remainder of this season, I wonder how much damage these first two years will have caused - both to his psyche and to the perception of his abilities on the part of GMs and coaches around the league?

 

If he plays as he has the last two weeks from here on out he will have a backup job next year and at some point in the next 2 or 3 years will get another shot at starting. He has to keep up the consistent level of improvement from the past two weeks. His career depends on it. 

[billsfan1959]

7 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

If he plays as he has the last two weeks from here on out he will have a backup job next year and at some point in the next 2 or 3 years will get another shot at starting. He has to keep up the consistent level of improvement from the past two weeks. His career depends on it. 

Agree, although, a tough road the remainder of the year: 8 of 12 games against teams in the top 12 in pass defense (DVOA) and 7 of them top 10 overall defenses (DVOA).

 

Poor bastard...

[Foxx]

20 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

If he plays as he has the last two weeks from here on out he will have a backup job next year and at some point in the next 2 or 3 years will get another shot at starting. He has to keep up the consistent level of improvement from the past two weeks. His career depends on it. 

Patriots? 

asking for a friend...

[Hapless Bills Fan]

7 hours ago, Vod Kanockers said:

I just hope that Buffalo doesn’t try to sit on a 7-0 lead if they get out to an early start, in order to show good “sportsmanship” ?‍♂️☠️?

I don’t think good sportsmanship would be interpreted that way

[Seven-N-Nine]

8 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

Me neither. There have been zero signs of that. 

The Titans game was one kind of test, how to respond to a Patriots loss. The Dolphins game is another kind of test, how not to play down to the level of your competition. In seasons past the Bills routinely failed both kinds of tests. They passed the first test, we'll see what they do with the second.

[gjv001]

Rosen has yet to have a team committ to him, such as Buffalo, Cleveland, NY Jets and Baltimore have committed to their's young QB"s. I don't think Rosen's future is in Miami. However, I do believe his future is in the AFC East, with the Patriots.

[GunnerBill]

25 minutes ago, Foxx said:

Patriots? 

asking for a friend...

 

He could run that offense. 

[CaptnCoke11]

9 minutes ago, gjv001 said:

Rosen has yet to have a team committ to him, such as Buffalo, Cleveland, NY Jets and Baltimore have committed to their's young QB"s. I don't think Rosen's future is in Miami. However, I do believe his future is in the AFC East, with the Patriots.

Of course.. Every players future is with the Patriots right? ?

[Coach Tuesday]

48 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

If he plays as he has the last two weeks from here on out he will have a backup job next year and at some point in the next 2 or 3 years will get another shot at starting. He has to keep up the consistent level of improvement from the past two weeks. His career depends on it. 

Yup.  He is playing really well right now.  He’s going to get replaced AGAIN by the number one overall pick in 2020, which will make for a fascinating career story especially if he goes on to have a solid career himself.  I think he’d be a great fit as Rivers’ backup and eventual replacement or possibly taking Carr’s job and running Gruden’s offense.

Edited October 12, 2019 by Coach Tuesday

[Don Otreply]

Frankly, I hope  JR does not get any better than he is now, me, I always hope all of our opponents just suck at their jobs all the time. This hoping your opponents get better and become serious competition  is just absurd imo. 

 

Go Bills!!!

[Real McClappy]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

If he plays as he has the last two weeks from here on out he will have a backup job next year and at some point in the next 2 or 3 years will get another shot at starting. He has to keep up the consistent level of improvement from the past two weeks. His career depends on it. 

Ouch

[prissythecat]

56 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

Yup.  He is playing really well right now.  He’s going to get replaced AGAIN by the number one overall pick in 2020, which will make for a fascinating career story especially if he goes on to have a solid career himself.  I think he’d be a great fit as Rivers’ backup and eventual replacement or possibly taking Carr’s job and running Gruden’s offense.

 

Isnt that what Peterman is there for

[TigerJ]

The irony here is that Miami has a QB who is developing and growing to the point where he could be a force next year, but if the Dolphins do as expected, they will waste that development and start a rookie next year who will probably go through all the same growing pains.  With a little luck, Miami will fire their head coach after yet another terrible season in 2020 and we can watch the whole hot mess play out again starting in 2021.

[GunnerBill]

36 minutes ago, Real McCoy said:

Ouch

 

I like Rosen but I am a realist. 

[Real McClappy]

 

4 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I like Rosen but I am a realist. 

I agree, he's has some very tough D's in front of him as well. Kid has a very tough road ahead of him. I just hope down the line he doesn't magically pop on the Pat's roster.  I do think he has a shot of being a starter in this league under a real system or team with the right development. 

 

Edited October 12, 2019 by Real McCoy
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[eball]

I won’t be surprised if Miami beats Washington this week.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

3 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

Rosen the last two weeks has played really solid football despite being on a total ***** show of a football team. 

 

He isn't playing to be the starter for the 2020 Dolphins here, he is playing for his NFL career, and if he can continue to put on tape some of what he has put out there the last two weeks he will get another shot somewhere - maybe not as a starter in 2020 - but somewhere down the road. 

 

Indeed.  QB talent is still thin in the league, and someone will take a shot with him.

 

He does need to tame down the crazy throws, and I'm not sure Fitz is the mentor to help him there unless it's "do what I say, not what I do"

 

1 hour ago, Don Otreply said:

Frankly, I hope  JR does not get any better than he is now, me, I always hope all of our opponents just suck at their jobs all the time. This hoping your opponents get better and become serious competition  is just absurd imo. 

 

Go Bills!!!

 

Uncertain?

 

It seems to me it was a factor in the Bills Glory Years that they could usually kind of slosh through the AFC E and their AFC opponents.  When a sloppy game is good enough to win, there's less impetus to improve, right?  That's the basis for the saying "Nothing Fails Like Success".  Perhaps if we'd played in a tougher division, we would have put up a better game in the Show.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

2 hours ago, billsfan1959 said:

I am not a fan of Rosen for reasons other than his football skills; however, I am not a hater either. From purely a talent perspective, I always thought Rosen could be successful in this league. He has had the misfortune of landing on, perhaps, the worst team in football in each of his first two years in the league. It would be hard to accurately judge any QB in those situations.

 

I think he has played well, considering the circumstances and, if things do not improve for him over the remainder of this season, I wonder how much damage these first two years will have caused - both to his psyche and to the perception of his abilities on the part of GMs and coaches around the league?

 

It's possible his first two years have been the making of him, from the perspective of character. 

One question about him was "does he really want it?  is he committed to football?".  If you see a guy getting hit in the mouth over and over and over again and he's still getting up and giving his all to it, that answers that question.

 

Another question about him was his mental attitude - is he coachable, is he willing to learn, or does he just always think he's the smartest guy in the room who knows the most about football and turn into an "Alligator Station"?  (great big mouth little bitty ears).  I forget who it was who knew folks who knew Rosen and who explained him as That Guy who would just assume he's the smartest QB in the draft class, and who would be disbelieving when told actually, Allen outscored him by 8 points (thats 16% higher).  I could see that in him.

Well, I promise you, when you're losing and getting slung on your ass every week, your base character comes out in a hurry- are you the guy who blames everyone else, or do you look in the mirror and try to improve what you can control?  And if you have two functional neurons, you figure out fast you have a lot to learn.  Practically speaking, in the QB room with Fitzy, I promise you Rosen is not the smartest guy in the room.

 

 

 

[GunnerBill]

14 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

It seems to me it was a factor in the Bills Glory Years that they could usually kind of slosh through the AFC E and their AFC opponents.  When a sloppy game is good enough to win, there's less impetus to improve, right?  That's the basis for the saying "Nothing Fails Like Success".  Perhaps if we'd played in a tougher division, we would have put up a better game in the Show.

 

I am with you. I don't want the Bills to win because everyone else sucks. I want them to win because this organisation has finally got their decision making process right. I think we are on the right path. I want to see it come to fruition and not just because the competition is below par. 

[atlbillsfan1975]

I am really interested in watching Rosen this weekend against Washington and then against the Bills.  I will be the first one to admit that when the Commish said Josh on draft night I was hoping it was Rosen. I quickly did a 180 after actually learning about Allen more, instead of listening to a few ‘experts’. 

Rosen has had a tough intro into the league. The Cards like last year was as bad as the Bills. Rosen’s line this year isn’t any better. 

I think the Bills picked the right Josh, but I do think in the NFL anyone can win a game. Bills need to light him up and get some picks. 

Btw the players on the Phins are trying. Every guy on that team knows they are auditioning for jobs this year and next. The talent and cohesiveness hasn’t been there yet due to the purging management did. 

I don’t want to see Rosen go for 300 yards and 3 touchdowns against the Bills. This board will be impossible to go to for a week.

[BidsJr]

9 hours ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

That's so Kirk Ferentz in Iowa.  If there is any college so "Billsy" it's the Hawkeyes.  Snake biten is an understatement!

 

Born in Buffalo, went to Iowa and yes this is 100% correct.

[dous21]

Rosen has higher potential than Mayfield. 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

45 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I am with you. I don't want the Bills to win because everyone else sucks. I want them to win because this organisation has finally got their decision making process right. I think we are on the right path. I want to see it come to fruition and not just because the competition is below par. 

 

....agree GB..."sucking" is usually an annual occurrence except for some "repeat offenders".....how many times did posting prognosticators forecast sweeps of the Jesters and Fins during "the drought"?.....worked out well for us (COUGH).....as for Rosen, I could care less.......soured on him Draft Day with his sniveling hissy fit about "nine mistakes taken before me".....he can rot in his hi-chair as far as I'm concerned.....epitome of "ME".....isn't the adage, "first impression is the LASTING impression"?................

Edited October 12, 2019 by OldTimeAFLGuy

[machine gun kelly]

I don’t see McD and the coordinators taking this game lightly, and I seriously doubt we won’t sit on a lead unless we’re up three touchdowns and in the 4th, then run the ball a ton.