Bill Barnwell's Speculation for a Bills trade for Melvin Gordon

[Buffalo716]

I wouldn't do it all all. It's a Madden move and the NFL isn't Madden

 

We are building a team first montra , hold out Gordon is the opposite

[MAJBobby]

4 hours ago, inthebuff said:

 

Should the Bills make the suggested trade?  Or should we stand pat with the running back by committee we have?

 

I'd rather stand pat and develop Singletary with Gore as the mentor, rather than trade for Gordon and limit Singletary's touches and progression.

 

I would Normally say No. I would not trade for Gordon. However, Yeldon and a 3rd and get back a 5th with Gordon. I think I could handle that package as long as it doesn’t come with a AVV contract of 10M plus. 
 

Can let him walk at end of year and get that Comp pick (if you don’t sign a bunch of UFAs)

Edited October 7, 2019 by MAJBobby

[MiltonWaddams]

I like the on-field Gordon, know that Gore is going to need some rest and am worried about Devin’s hamstring injury lingering. All of that should indicate that I am for this trade. But, I am not and neither will McBeane be. Chemistry is so essential to the process and Gordon’s chance of disrupting that are better than Shady’s ever was and they released him. RB is not a priority worth risking for and I doubt he’d be long for Buffalo anyway.

[Magox]

I like our RB's and we have a healthy Singletary coming back.

 

We're good here.

[Mat68]

I'm not against it.  Get good football players.  More the better.  Coaches are responsible for assimilating the players into the locker room.  Simple, the guy wants to feel wanted. Whether its him or any other player available.  If its usage or money those are why good football players become available.  

[Mopreme]

For the right price, yes.  I doubt that Chargers would make that trade, however. They probably wouldn’t let him go without a 2nd round pick. That would be too rich for my blood.  

[ngbills]

It is lazy to say we dont need Gordon. He is one of the best backs in the league. He instantly upgrades this offense and adds an element that would help out Allen a ton as his security blanket. Gore has been steady and good at what he asked to do. Singletary is still in unknown. Yeldon would not be missed. If this could get done for a 3rd and Yeldon you take it in a heartbeat. 

[Perry Turtle]

22 hours ago, Buffalo Junction said:

They can alway bring back Murphy or Ivory. Neither of which will have to learn the playbook. They aren’t great talents, but they’re plug and play. 

The Bills are in the midst of a playoff run.  Is 'plug and play' good enough for a playoff run?

 

If the trade terms are accurate, and they are probably not, I'd rather play in NE with Gordon on the roster instead of Murphy, Ivory, or even Yeldon.

 

 

[BillnutinHouston]

On 10/7/2019 at 11:13 AM, PromoTheRobot said:

We have Singletary. Don't need Gordon. A RT or WR is another story.

 

I agree.  I've really liked Nsekhe when he's played, but his health status makes me concerned about how available he'll be week to week, and that scares me because Ford is not a tackle. 

[Buffalo Junction]

3 minutes ago, Perry Turtle said:

The Bills are in the midst of a playoff run.  Is 'plug and play' good enough for a playoff run?

 

If the trade terms are accurate, and they are probably not, I'd rather play in NE with Gordon on the roster instead of Murphy, Ivory, or even Yeldon.

 

 

If Gore or Singletary are out for the season and we need to retool... you’re absolutely correct. It comes down to cost. I’d be happy if they picked him up for a 3rd round pick. Anything more and my inner skeptic will come out to play....

 

for example...

 

My concern with Gorden is that as good as he is, he’s playing in Lynn’s system with Rivers as the QB. It’s extremely RB friendly. I’m not certain that he’d be as good in B-Lo. 

[Mat68]

12 minutes ago, Buffalo Junction said:

If Gore or Singletary are out for the season and we need to retool... you’re absolutely correct. It comes down to cost. I’d be happy if they picked him up for a 3rd round pick. Anything more and my inner skeptic will come out to play....

 

for example...

 

My concern with Gorden is that as good as he is, he’s playing in Lynn’s system with Rivers as the QB. It’s extremely RB friendly. I’m not certain that he’d be as good in B-Lo. 

I disagree.  Singletary showed this as well.  The runs Gore gets10-15 Gordon gets you 20-30.  The Oline is responsible for the rushing yards with Gore.  Gore at this point will get the yards that are there, but not much more.  In an attempt to compete with KC and NE, I would like to see Buffalo make a move like this.  Gordon upgrades the rushing attack and underneath passing attack.  

[BuffaloBillsGospel]

Singletary is our now and our future, there is no need imo.

[RyanC883]

I am 100% yes to this proposed trade.  Basically giving up a 3rd for Gordon.  Plus we get a 5th round, so if you want to average, it's a 4th for Gordon.  Big YES to that.  

24 minutes ago, BuffaloBillsGospel said:

Singletary is our now and our future, there is no need imo.

 

why not 2 great RB's?  Singletary is on rookie deal.  Saints had Kamara and Ingram for a while.  

[808]

Would do this in a heartbeat. Would give us gordon/singletary combo for the next few years. 
 

im a singletary fanboy. But i dont see him being a lead back. We are a rbbc but gordon has breakaway speed and size singletary doesnt. But those two as a rbbc would be pretty bad ass

[Mat68]

9 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

I am 100% yes to this proposed trade.  Basically giving up a 3rd for Gordon.  Plus we get a 5th round, so if you want to average, it's a 4th for Gordon.  Big YES to that.  

 

why not 2 great RB's?  Singletary is on rookie deal.  Saints had Kamara and Ingram for a while.  

This.  Keep Singletary to 10 to 15 touches.  Gordon between the tackles.  Because Buffalo has player X doesnt mean a player cant be brought in that's better.

[MrSarcasm]

2 minutes ago, Mat68 said:

This.  Keep Singletary to 10 to 15 touches.  Gordon between the tackles.  Because Buffalo has player X doesnt mean a player cant be brought in that's better.

True, but why give up a 3rd round pick to rent a player for 12 games. And NO! I don't want to sign another RB to a bloated contract. The RB position is arguably the easiest position to replace and least valuable position in football right now.

 

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[nucci]

1 minute ago, MrSarcasm said:

True, but why give up a 3rd round pick to rent a player for 12 games. And NO! I don't want to sign another RB to a bloated contract. The RB position is arguably the easiest position to replace and least valuable position in football right now.

 

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RBs are still a very valuable part of a team

[Mat68]

10 minutes ago, MrSarcasm said:

True, but why give up a 3rd round pick to rent a player for 12 games. And NO! I don't want to sign another RB to a bloated contract. The RB position is arguably the easiest position to replace and least valuable position in football right now.

 

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You would have 2 seasons of control.  You trade for him and give him a 3 year deal all paid this year and next and hes happy.

[mannc]

10 minutes ago, nucci said:

RBs are still a very valuable part of a team

It’s not that they aren’t valuable.  It’s that they are easily replaced.

[MrSarcasm]

13 minutes ago, nucci said:

RBs are still a very valuable part of a team

Yes but they are the least valuable part of a team. I'd rather have a stud punter than a Melvin Gordon (good but not great). I'd also rather have an accurate kicker than a Melvin Gordon.

 

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6 minutes ago, Mat68 said:

You would have 2 seasons of control.  You trade for him and give him a 3 year deal all paid this year and next and hes happy.

??? And what do we do with Gore and Singletary?

Whether its cut, trade or split touches, all three do not justify paying top 10 rb money  ( he was asking for top 3). Peoples obsession with RBs is so dated.

 

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[Mat68]

4 minutes ago, MrSarcasm said:

Yes but they are the least valuable part of a team. I'd rather have a stud punter than a Melvin Gordon (good but not great). I'd also rather have an accurate kicker than a Melvin Gordon.

 

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??? And what do we do with Gore and Singletary?

Whether its cut, trade or split touches, all three do not justify paying top 10 rb money  ( he was asking for top 3). Peoples obsession with RBs is so dated.

 

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They have the money.  Short term deal.  Gore a primary backup role.  Gordon and Singletary in a Ingram and Kamara type split.  It doesnt make the team worse.  They got 80 mil plus next year still almost 15 mil this year.  Use 36 of the 95 for a top 10 back?  Yeah.

[Buffalo Junction]

1 hour ago, Mat68 said:

I disagree.  Singletary showed this as well.  The runs Gore gets10-15 Gordon gets you 20-30.  The Oline is responsible for the rushing yards with Gore.  Gore at this point will get the yards that are there, but not much more.  In an attempt to compete with KC and NE, I would like to see Buffalo make a move like this.  Gordon upgrades the rushing attack and underneath passing attack.  

If it’s 2018 Gordon. Every other year he’s averaged less than 4 yards a carry. I agree that he’d improve the passing offense since defenses couldn’t key on run/pass with Gordon or Singletary in the game. 

[Mat68]

With the resources and money I hope Buffalo does something.  They are 3rd in the AFC.  The defense in January will keep them in any game.  Imo adding some extra juice to the roster could be the difference in advancing in the playoffs.  Move into the small group of teams with actual Superbowl hopes.  Whether they deem that guy to be Gordon, Diggs whoever, maybe a defender, they put themselves in position make the most of it.  Whoever, they bring they have the cap space and assets to please the player and team.

[MrSarcasm]

12 minutes ago, Mat68 said:

They have the money.  Short term deal.  Gore a primary backup role.  Gordon and Singletary in a Ingram and Kamara type split.  It doesnt make the team worse.  They got 80 mil plus next year still almost 15 mil this year.  Use 36 of the 95 for a top 10 back?  Yeah.

 

And Gore?? Averaging over 5 yards per carry you want to just not play him this year?

 

Ingram and Kamara are no longer together so give me a current situation in the league that justifies this waste of money.  How about we pay guys that have actually performed well on our own team before we go and overpay for a player we don't need in a postion that is the not very valuable.

 

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5 minutes ago, Mat68 said:

With the resources and money I hope Buffalo does something.  They are 3rd in the AFC.  The defense in January will keep them in any game.  Imo adding some extra juice to the roster could be the difference in advancing in the playoffs.  Move into the small group of teams with actual Superbowl hopes.  Whether they deem that guy to be Gordon, Diggs whoever, maybe a defender, they put themselves in position make the most of it.  Whoever, they bring they have the cap space and assets to please the player and team.

Let's sureup the foundation then and fix the right side of the line. No need signing a skill position player when they need the line to function first.

 

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Edited October 8, 2019 by MrSarcasm

[Putin]

11 minutes ago, Mat68 said:

They have the money.  Short term deal.  Gore a primary backup role.  Gordon and Singletary in a Ingram and Kamara type split.  It doesnt make the team worse.  They got 80 mil plus next year still almost 15 mil this year.  Use 36 of the 95 for a top 10 back?  Yeah.

We still have OUR own guys that need to be signed , I’m not against singing a good football player but I would rather address other positions on offense!!!

GO BILLS!!!!

[Mat68]

1 minute ago, MrSarcasm said:

 

And Gore?? Averaging over 5 yards per carry you want to just not play him this year?

 

Ingram and Kamara are no longer together so give me a current situation in the league that justifies this waste of money.  How about we pay guys that have actually performed well on our own team before we go and overpay for a player we don't need in a postion that is the not very valuable.

 

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As much as I would like a move for Julio Jones or DeAndre Hopkins they are not available.  Diggs, Gordon, Ramsey, Green, and who else?  Gordon would cost the least annually and resources.  It's not A typical in how teams are made but would play into the strengths of a top defense and strong arm Qb.  Run the ball effectively + playaction = Big plays.

[MrSarcasm]

4 minutes ago, Mat68 said:

As much as I would like a move for Julio Jones or DeAndre Hopkins they are not available.  Diggs, Gordon, Ramsey, Green, and who else?  Gordon would cost the least annually and resources.  It's not A typical in how teams are made but would play into the strengths of a top defense and strong arm Qb.  Run the ball effectively + playaction = Big plays.

Yes out of those players he would cost the least but he is also the least needed out of that list. Oh and Ramsey should just be taken off that list- not a process guy.

 

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Edited October 8, 2019 by MrSarcasm

[DCofNC]

For a half season rental, you wouldn't trade Yeldon, that's nuts.? Basically you know you are getting a 3rd back for him, assuming you don't sign a ton of guys, which is where the big issue with this comes to play.  IF, you don't sign a lot of players, Gordon will get you a 3rd back.  If you go slap happy and sign a lot of FA, the 3rd rounder is gone.  Risk v Reward here.  I'd love to have him, but hes also not worth what he thinks he is.

[Mat68]

11 minutes ago, Putin said:

We still have OUR own guys that need to be signed , I’m not against singing a good football player but I would rather address other positions on offense!!!

GO BILLS!!!!

Jordan Phillips is the only guy who's in the conversation to needed to be resigned.  Every one else is under contract for 2 or 3 years.  

[BuffaloHokie13]

9 minutes ago, Mat68 said:

As much as I would like a move for Julio Jones or DeAndre Hopkins they are not available.  Diggs, Gordon, Ramsey, Green, and who else?  Gordon would cost the least annually and resources.  It's not A typical in how teams are made but would play into the strengths of a top defense and strong arm Qb.  Run the ball effectively + playaction = Big plays.

I thought our cafeteria was considered pretty good, but that would be next level!

[Mat68]

4 minutes ago, MrSarcasm said:

Yes out of those players he would cost the least but he is also the least needed out of that list. Oh and Ramsey should just be taken off that list- not a process guy.

 

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Ramsey not liking Marrone makes him a process guy to me lol.  In reality hes been the best player on the team and is the last guy they are re signing.  Basically, they are just not going to and tag him as long as they can.  Wanting to be paid doesnt make you a bad guy in the terms of pro sports.

[MrSarcasm]

Just now, Mat68 said:

Ramsey not liking Marrone makes him a process guy to me lol.  In reality hes been the best player on the team and is the last guy they are re signing.  Basically, they are just not going to and tag him as long as they can.  Wanting to be paid doesnt make you a bad guy in the terms of pro sports.

Showing up in a Brinks truck and constantly going out of your way to talk trash on opposing QBs (GQ article) makes you a head case and a me first type of guy=bad guy.  In other words he is a Rex Ryan guy.

 

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[RobbRiddick]

Don't see the point in this. Singletary looked great before his injury and I feel good about him and Gore together. If we trade for someone I'd rather it was a true number 1 WR

[wagon127]

Bringing players on this team, that potentially think they are better then the people already on it, has proved to be troublesome for most teams in the past. Just look at Sammy Watkins and Kelvin Benjamin. They got rid of Benjamin early, forfeiting a compensatory pick, cause of how bad he was. The locker room matters. Develop Singletary, and enjoy the Running back production at a bargain financially. You are going to probably pay Gordon 5-10 times what is the current total payroll for our back field. And you most definitely will not see 5-10 times the amount of production.

[Mat68]

15 minutes ago, wagon127 said:

Bringing players on this team, that potentially think they are better then the people already on it, has proved to be troublesome for most teams in the past. Just look at Sammy Watkins and Kelvin Benjamin. They got rid of Benjamin early, forfeiting a compensatory pick, cause of how bad he was. The locker room matters. Develop Singletary, and enjoy the Running back production at a bargain financially. You are going to probably pay Gordon 5-10 times what is the current total payroll for our back field. And you most definitely will not see 5-10 times the amount of production.

I have 0 care what a player makes.  Having "bargain" production doesn't matter when the Franchise is sitting on 100 mil in cap space.  Sure signing a bunch of mid level players to blotted contracts doesnt work.  Adding a player to the offense or defense during the bye week to make a push "This" year has more good than bad outcomes.  At a time when Buffalo was on tilt, trading for Benjamin gave the team a jolt and legitimate mis match outside that propelled a playoff berth.  Long term it didnt pan out.  Short term?  They made the playoffs, and were also terrible catch no catch call from beating NE in Ne after Halloween.  The schedule this year is shaping up for the first 10 plus win team since the 90's.  I feel Buffalo should make a move now.  Maybe catch a team sleeping on them, and the projected pick wont be as good as they think?  Best believe the teams Buffalo has to get past are looking to do the same thing.

[billsfan89]

I don't see the Bills trading for Gordon. Gordon is a good top 10 back but I do not see him as a significant game changer for the offense. The Bills current platoon of Gore between the tackles, Yeldon as a receiver, and Singletary as an uber third down back is solid and while Gordon would represent an upgrade it isn't massive. 

 

I think if the team makes an acquisition I think they add a capable veteran WR, TE, or Pass rusher. The offense won't be able to add a true WR1 (Sorry but AJ Green is out 5-7 weeks and I don't think any team trades for a player that likely won't have played a snap by the trade deadline) but there could exist a solid vet WR like Emmanual Sanders who could be available at the deadline. 

 

I put the odds of a Bills trade at the deadline at 60%. I am not sure if it will be a significant add but I think that they do add a piece to this team to help the depth or upgrade a weaker point of the roster. 

 

I don't think there is a major trade like Amari Cooper last year but I think they could trade as high as a third round pick for a rental if a good WR or Pass Rusher hits the market. This season presents too good an opportunity to not be on the market for a trade that can improve the roster. 

 

[njbuff]

If the Bills ever plan on trading for a RB (which is HIGHLY doubtful), why would they trade a high draft choice or two for Gordon when they can trade a low draft choice for Drake?

[DCofNC]

16 minutes ago, njbuff said:

If the Bills ever plan on trading for a RB (which is HIGHLY doubtful), why would they trade a high draft choice or two for Gordon when they can trade a low draft choice for Drake?

Who says Drake can be had to a division rival for a low pick and who on earth thinks he's in Gordon's stratosphere?

[njbuff]

1 minute ago, DCofNC said:

Who says Drake can be had to a division rival for a low pick and who on earth thinks he's in Gordon's stratosphere?

Division rivals have traded with each other before and the Bills don’t need Gordon, a Drake-type for 7-12 touches a game is more than OK.

[DCofNC]

I honestly don't see the point, Drake is a minor upgrade, if any at all.  Gordon is a top 10RB, so at least theres a question of it being worth it.