Will offense operate better with Barkley next week?

[WideNine]

Will they be up against a far weaker opponent?

 

 

[mannc]

3 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

Uh, what?

 

Did you see his last possession?

 

just awful, no arm.

 

Want me to point out some of JA’s less than stellar possessions today?  

 

Barkley had zero time to throw and he still managed to move the ball down the field.

[Kelly the Dog]

Just now, mannc said:

C'mon, that's ridiculous.  I don't want Barkley to have to start more than a game or two, but he's an above average backup and I thought he played pretty well today.  He is much more decisive than Allen and gets rid of the ball a lot faster.  I agree Barkley doesn't have a real strong arm, but it's good enough.  His biggest problem, especially with our o-line, is his lack of mobility, but getting rid of the ball quickly helps.  

No. He's terrible because of his arm the way Peterman is. Watch his games. He was awful on Philly, he was awful on Chicago, he has 10 TDs and 19 INTs. If you go back and watch the Jet game last year he did not throw one pass that showed an NFL arm. He threw a bunch of accurate lobs that became completions for various reasons. But several of them could have been INTs too. He has an inefficient NFL arm like Peterman does. It's slightly better but not enough. If he had a decent arm he would be pretty good and maybe very good. Because he has a lot of other talents. But it's a death knell and it showed today too. No one wanted him before we signed him. You can argue that he was hurt but that was not the reason and the fact that we signed him to an embarrassing deal for a backup QB is proof. 

 

3 minutes ago, FUTURIST said:

 

Barkley is better than Peterman.  He is much more like a Trent Dilfer, who won a Super Bowl with an elite defense.  I think he is good enough to manage a game and beat anyone if the Defense dominates and they get the running game going. 

If Barkley had Dilfers arm he would be Dilfer. That would be a good comparison. But Dilfer had a arm that could make all the throws.  Barkley does not. 

[GG]

Just now, Joe in Winslow said:

 

Uh, what?

 

Did you see his last possession?

 

just awful, no arm.

 

 

The possession where a WR dropped a pass and the right side totally missed the blitzer?  Barkley led 2 of the 3 longest drives today.

 

Again, look at the topic - Nobody is disputing that Allen has a much higher upside than Barkley, but at this moment - the combination of Allen's growing pains and Daboll's complicated offense makes Barkley a better short term option.

 

 

[mannc]

Just now, Kelly the Dog said:

No. He's terrible because of his arm the way Peterman is. Watch his games. He was awful on Philly, he was awful on Chicago, he has 10 TDs and 19 INTs. If you go back and watch the Jet game last year he did not throw one pass that showed an NFL arm. He threw a bunch of accurate lobs that became completions for various reasons. But several of them could have been INTs too. He has an inefficient NFL arm like Peterman does. It's slightly better but not enough. If he had a decent arm he would be pretty good and maybe very good. Because he has a lot of other talents. But it's a death knell and it showed today too. No one wanted him before we signed him. You can argue that he was hurt but that was not the reason and the fact that we signed him to an embarrassing deal for a backup QB is proof. 

 

We’ll see. Getting rid of the ball quickly and decisively can make up for other flaws.  Barkley certainly moved the ball as well as Allen today.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, GG said:

 

The possession where a WR dropped a pass and the right side totally missed the blitzer?  Barkley led 2 of the 3 longest drives today.

 

Again, look at the topic - Nobody is disputing that Allen has a much higher upside than Barkley, but at this moment - the combination of Allen's growing pains and Daboll's complicated offense makes Barkley a better short term option.

 

 

No. It really doesn't, sorry.

 

[Meatloaf63]

26 minutes ago, GG said:

 

The big issue is that his play in the first 3 Qs  puts the entire onus on the defense to keep the game in check.  There's no question that I would rather have him than Barkley when the game is on the line with 3 minutes to go.  But realistically, the first 3 games should have been blow outs, and today's game wouldn't need last minute heroics with half way decent QB play.  

 

I think that at this point, with the offense that Daboll is running, Barkley is the better option.   

 

There has to be concern about Allen's regression this year, especially when the long ball has been woefully off.

Because Barkly performed so well today?

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, Meatloaf63 said:

Because Barkly performed so well today?

 

Right?

 

That last possession was SO typical of the Bills QBing we've seen over the past 20 years, I had to laugh.

 

[GG]

 

3 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

No. He's terrible because of his arm the way Peterman is. Watch his games. He was awful on Philly, he was awful on Chicago, he has 10 TDs and 19 INTs. If you go back and watch the Jet game last year he did not throw one pass that showed an NFL arm. He threw a bunch of accurate lobs that became completions for various reasons. But several of them could have been INTs too. He has an inefficient NFL arm like Peterman does. It's slightly better but not enough. If he had a decent arm he would be pretty good and maybe very good. Because he has a lot of other talents. But it's a death knell and it showed today too. No one wanted him before we signed him. You can argue that he was hurt but that was not the reason and the fact that we signed him to an embarrassing deal for a backup QB is proof. 

 

If Barkley had Dilfers arm he would be Dilfer. That would be a good comparison. But Dilfer had a arm that could make all the throws.  Barkley does not. 

 

The biggest difference between Barkley and Peterman is that Barkley doesn't panic nor settle on his first read come hell or high water.  For all the criticism about an NFL arm, it was Barkley who had the best throws that traveled more than 15 yards today.

[MAJBobby]

4 minutes ago, GG said:

 

The possession where a WR dropped a pass and the right side totally missed the blitzer?  Barkley led 2 of the 3 longest drives today.

 

Again, look at the topic - Nobody is disputing that Allen has a much higher upside than Barkley, but at this moment - the combination of Allen's growing pains and Daboll's complicated offense makes Barkley a better short term option.

 

 

no it really doesn’t. How many Points did Barkley lead is to today?

 

 

i mean it is about points. So how many did Barkley put up today

Edited September 30, 2019 by MAJBobby

[Meatloaf63]

2 minutes ago, mannc said:

We’ll see. Getting rid of the ball quickly and decisively can make up for other flaws.  Barkley certainly moved the ball as well as Allen today.

Except he failed in the red zone and couldn’t get rid of the ball when he needed to either.

[Kelly the Dog]

Just now, mannc said:

We’ll see. Getting rid of the ball quickly and decisively can make up for other flaws.  Barkley certainly moved the ball as well as Allen today.

There is no question that getting rid of the ball quickly and decisively can make up for other flaws. But there has been one guy imo in 30 years that has succeeded with an arm like Barkley and that is Pennington after surgery and he was an extraordinarily smart QB. People say Montana didn't have a strong arm but he could make all the throws and often did. Barkley cannot. 

[Coach Tuesday]

Vrabel runs the exact same defense so it’s a great opportunity for Josh to take a mulligan and go out there and ball.  He was awful today - if it were me, I’d be chomping at the bit to give it another go.

[Lieutenant Aldo Raine]

2 minutes ago, GG said:

 

The possession where a WR dropped a pass and the right side totally missed the blitzer?  Barkley led 2 of the 3 longest drives today.

 

Again, look at the topic - Nobody is disputing that Allen has a much higher upside than Barkley, but at this moment - the combination of Allen's growing pains and Daboll's complicated offense makes Barkley a better short term option.

 

 

 

So you are shifting your point from Barkley playing because Allen is hurt to Barkley playing because he is a better short term option.  So you are trying to hide a QB controversy within your thread.   Just be honest.

[GG]

Just now, Joe in Winslow said:

 

Right?

 

That last possession was SO typical of the Bills QBing we've seen over the past 20 years, I had to laugh.

 

 

So you crap on the QB who had 2 of the longest drives today, was totally left exposed by an OL brainfart, but excuse the guy who threw 3 ridiculous INTs and fumbled twice?

[GoBills808]

4 minutes ago, GG said:

 

The possession where a WR dropped a pass and the right side totally missed the blitzer?  Barkley led 2 of the 3 longest drives today.

 

Again, look at the topic - Nobody is disputing that Allen has a much higher upside than Barkley, but at this moment - the combination of Allen's growing pains and Daboll's complicated offense makes Barkley a better short term option.

 

 

Just absolutely, unequivocally no. Matt Barkley is a bad quarterback. 

[buffalo2218]

Wow, all this Barkley hate. The guy hasn't played in a regular season game in almost a year, and gets shredded because he didn't win the game for us.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, GG said:

 

So you crap on the QB who had 2 of the longest drives today, was totally left exposed by an OL brainfart, but excuse the guy who threw 3 ridiculous INTs and fumbled twice?

 

Really? So it was an OL brainfart that caused him to throw grounders in the series prior to that? You may enjoy noodle-arms with quick releases, but I don't.

 

ToMAYto, ToMAHto.

 

[Bangarang]

Barkley isn’t good. The people hyping him up as one of the best backups in the league must be on drugs. 
 

To answer the question, if Allen can play then he should play. He’s by far our best option.

[klos63]

42 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

How is it at all obvious that Barkley is better prepared to operate the offense?

Good question. Didn't show it today.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 minute ago, Bangarang said:

Barkley isn’t good. The people hyping him up as one of the best backups in the league must be on drugs. 
 

To answer the question, if Allen can play then he should play. He’s by far our best option.

 

Thank you sir, for being the clarion beacon of common sense.

 

[Bangarang]

1 minute ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

Thank you sir, for being the clarion beacon of common sense.

 

that’s what I’m here

[Lieutenant Aldo Raine]

Josh has to play because you need to see if he can be coached and play his way out of these stupid self-inflicted mistakes.  There's a time and place to play hero, but not while going backwards and throwing on your back foot.  

[GG]

Just now, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said:

 

So you are shifting your point from Barkley playing because Allen is hurt to Barkley playing because he is a better short term option.  So you are trying to hide a QB controversy within your thread.   Just be honest.

 

There's no QB controversy.  The concussion will be a good excuse for McD and Daboll to sit Allen down because he desperately needs it right now.

[Doc Brown]

4 minutes ago, GG said:

So you crap on the QB who had 2 of the longest drives today, was totally left exposed by an OL brainfart, but excuse the guy who threw 3 ridiculous INTs and fumbled twice?

You don't bench a potential franchise QB because he's having a bad game.  If teams did that against Belichick's defenses over the years there would be a lot less franchise QB's.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, Doc Brown said:

You don't bench a potential franchise QB because he's having a bad game.  If teams did that against Belichick's defenses over the years there would be a lot less franchise QB's.

 

THIS.

 

Love how this call is being made after the first loss of the season. To the Patriots.

 

IN WEEK FOUR.

 

*face on desk*

 

[GoBills808]

Allen needs to sit now? Wha?

 

1 minute ago, GG said:

 

There's no QB controversy.  The concussion will be a good excuse for McD and Daboll to sit Allen down because he desperately needs it right now.

 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, GoBills808 said:

Allen needs to sit now? Wha?

 

 

 

The book club got into the wine reserve again.

 

 

[transplantbillsfan]

Ummmm...

 

what?

 

Allen is our starter

[vincec]

Allen needs to learn to manage the game. He forces the ball and runs way too much. This leads to a lot of opportunities for interceptions, fumbles and injuries. He needs to learn when to throw the ball away. Look at Brady: he played like crap but they won because he took much better care of the ball.

[formerlyofCtown]

58 minutes ago, mannc said:

That was the biggest difference I noticed after Allen came out of the game:  Barkley gets rid of the ball much faster.  Allen held on to the ball forever; reminded me of Tyrod in his worst games.

Yet Allen has the only TD scored on the patriots this season.

[Gray Beard]

Josh can use his size and strength to do things that Barkley can’t do.  Josh is the strongly preferred starter.  

 

If Barkley is going to play, then the game plan should involve a lot of running plays, and the passes should be mostly slants and screens.  Quick release, short pass types of plays.  Occasionally let one fly just to keep the defense honest.  That’s a game management approach.  I believe that Barkley can do ok in that scenario, for one game at least.

 

The defense will have to make sure that the offense isn’t forced into a shootout.

[vincec]

The Bills are good enough to beat the Titans with Barkley at QB, as long as they don't let down after today. But they are better with Allen. Is it confirmed that he will be out?

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

I’m expecting Allen to play but for the sake of fairness here...Let’s say Barkley plays:

 

By far the best Dabols offense has looked, was with Barkley. (With the same players) We scored 41 on the road against a division opponent. And that game was on ice for the entire second half. We could have easily got 50+ if we needed it. This offense has never looked like that with Allen. Let’s say Barkley goes down to Tennessee and puts up 38 in a win. People are going to have to start thinking differently about how good Allen has been. I’m not saying any of these things are going to happen. But Barkley played 1 game where he was expected to start. And he absolutely lit it up. This offense has never looked as good before or since. If Barkley takes the reps with the 1s all week and then lights it up. It’s going to say a lot about Allen. That day against the jets looked effortless. This defense is elite. We need the offense to stay on time and not make asinine mistakes. If we click on all cylinders for 4 quarters in Tennessee (with Barkley) then it’s going to show us something about Allen.

[Mark Vader]

41 minutes ago, GG said:

 

The big issue is that his play in the first 3 Qs  puts the entire onus on the defense to keep the game in check.  There's no question that I would rather have him than Barkley when the game is on the line with 3 minutes to go.  But realistically, the first 3 games should have been blow outs, and today's game wouldn't need last minute heroics with half way decent QB play.  

 

I think that at this point, with the offense that Daboll is running, Barkley is the better option.   

 

There has to be concern about Allen's regression this year, especially when the long ball has been woefully off.

Regression?

 

Yes, Allen has made mistakes, but I do not see anything to indicate that he is regressing.

 

The more Allen plays the better. That's how I see it.

[Kelly the Dog]

Just now, vincec said:

The Bills are good enough to beat the Titans with Barkley at QB, as long as they don't let down after today. But they are better with Allen. Is it confirmed that he will be out?

No.

[GoBills808]

8 minutes ago, buffalo2218 said:

Wow, all this Barkley hate. The guy hasn't played in a regular season game in almost a year, and gets shredded because he didn't win the game for us.

 

Nobody hates Barkley. And he shouldn't get shredded for his performance today, he came in as a backup and fulfilled his role. He just doesn't do anything better than Allen at all, and to suggest he should start because he's a better fit for the offense and that Allen needs to sit is laughable.

 

I mean...they are calling redzone lateral passes for Barkley, sorry but that is not an indication the staff thinks he is any kind of superior option right now.

 

 

[buffalo2218]

3 minutes ago, vincec said:

Allen needs to learn to manage the game. He forces the ball and runs way too much. This leads to a lot of opportunities for interceptions, fumbles and injuries. He needs to learn when to throw the ball away. Look at Brady: he played like crap but they won because he took much better care of the ball.

Oh I'm pretty sure that and Allen's picks weren't the only reasons

[dave mcbride]

57 minutes ago, GG said:

 

Short term vs long term goal?

 

This could be a case where Josh again benefits from sitting down and watching.   

Barkley can’t throw effectively outside the numbers except when he does accurately placed lobs. And he’s immobile. Both QBs have big weaknesses (i.e., Allen can’t seem to throw an accurate deep ball to save his life right now. He is AWFUL in that dept. so far this season.)

Edited September 30, 2019 by dave mcbride

[Boatdrinks]

7 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

You don't bench a potential franchise QB because he's having a bad game.  If teams did that against Belichick's defenses over the years there would be a lot less franchise QB's.

Exactly. Folks need to check out BBs record vs QB with 2 years or less experience. It ain’t pretty for the QBs. A few did well, like the great Mark Sanchez.