WideNine Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Will they be up against a far weaker opponent? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 3 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: Uh, what? Did you see his last possession? just awful, no arm. Want me to point out some of JA’s less than stellar possessions today? Barkley had zero time to throw and he still managed to move the ball down the field. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Just now, mannc said: C'mon, that's ridiculous. I don't want Barkley to have to start more than a game or two, but he's an above average backup and I thought he played pretty well today. He is much more decisive than Allen and gets rid of the ball a lot faster. I agree Barkley doesn't have a real strong arm, but it's good enough. His biggest problem, especially with our o-line, is his lack of mobility, but getting rid of the ball quickly helps. No. He's terrible because of his arm the way Peterman is. Watch his games. He was awful on Philly, he was awful on Chicago, he has 10 TDs and 19 INTs. If you go back and watch the Jet game last year he did not throw one pass that showed an NFL arm. He threw a bunch of accurate lobs that became completions for various reasons. But several of them could have been INTs too. He has an inefficient NFL arm like Peterman does. It's slightly better but not enough. If he had a decent arm he would be pretty good and maybe very good. Because he has a lot of other talents. But it's a death knell and it showed today too. No one wanted him before we signed him. You can argue that he was hurt but that was not the reason and the fact that we signed him to an embarrassing deal for a backup QB is proof. 3 minutes ago, FUTURIST said: Barkley is better than Peterman. He is much more like a Trent Dilfer, who won a Super Bowl with an elite defense. I think he is good enough to manage a game and beat anyone if the Defense dominates and they get the running game going. If Barkley had Dilfers arm he would be Dilfer. That would be a good comparison. But Dilfer had a arm that could make all the throws. Barkley does not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted September 30, 2019 Author Share Posted September 30, 2019 Just now, Joe in Winslow said: Uh, what? Did you see his last possession? just awful, no arm. The possession where a WR dropped a pass and the right side totally missed the blitzer? Barkley led 2 of the 3 longest drives today. Again, look at the topic - Nobody is disputing that Allen has a much higher upside than Barkley, but at this moment - the combination of Allen's growing pains and Daboll's complicated offense makes Barkley a better short term option. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Just now, Kelly the Dog said: No. He's terrible because of his arm the way Peterman is. Watch his games. He was awful on Philly, he was awful on Chicago, he has 10 TDs and 19 INTs. If you go back and watch the Jet game last year he did not throw one pass that showed an NFL arm. He threw a bunch of accurate lobs that became completions for various reasons. But several of them could have been INTs too. He has an inefficient NFL arm like Peterman does. It's slightly better but not enough. If he had a decent arm he would be pretty good and maybe very good. Because he has a lot of other talents. But it's a death knell and it showed today too. No one wanted him before we signed him. You can argue that he was hurt but that was not the reason and the fact that we signed him to an embarrassing deal for a backup QB is proof. We’ll see. Getting rid of the ball quickly and decisively can make up for other flaws. Barkley certainly moved the ball as well as Allen today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Just now, GG said: The possession where a WR dropped a pass and the right side totally missed the blitzer? Barkley led 2 of the 3 longest drives today. Again, look at the topic - Nobody is disputing that Allen has a much higher upside than Barkley, but at this moment - the combination of Allen's growing pains and Daboll's complicated offense makes Barkley a better short term option. No. It really doesn't, sorry. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meatloaf63 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 26 minutes ago, GG said: The big issue is that his play in the first 3 Qs puts the entire onus on the defense to keep the game in check. There's no question that I would rather have him than Barkley when the game is on the line with 3 minutes to go. But realistically, the first 3 games should have been blow outs, and today's game wouldn't need last minute heroics with half way decent QB play. I think that at this point, with the offense that Daboll is running, Barkley is the better option. There has to be concern about Allen's regression this year, especially when the long ball has been woefully off. Because Barkly performed so well today? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Just now, Meatloaf63 said: Because Barkly performed so well today? Right? That last possession was SO typical of the Bills QBing we've seen over the past 20 years, I had to laugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted September 30, 2019 Author Share Posted September 30, 2019 3 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: No. He's terrible because of his arm the way Peterman is. Watch his games. He was awful on Philly, he was awful on Chicago, he has 10 TDs and 19 INTs. If you go back and watch the Jet game last year he did not throw one pass that showed an NFL arm. He threw a bunch of accurate lobs that became completions for various reasons. But several of them could have been INTs too. He has an inefficient NFL arm like Peterman does. It's slightly better but not enough. If he had a decent arm he would be pretty good and maybe very good. Because he has a lot of other talents. But it's a death knell and it showed today too. No one wanted him before we signed him. You can argue that he was hurt but that was not the reason and the fact that we signed him to an embarrassing deal for a backup QB is proof. If Barkley had Dilfers arm he would be Dilfer. That would be a good comparison. But Dilfer had a arm that could make all the throws. Barkley does not. The biggest difference between Barkley and Peterman is that Barkley doesn't panic nor settle on his first read come hell or high water. For all the criticism about an NFL arm, it was Barkley who had the best throws that traveled more than 15 yards today. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, GG said: The possession where a WR dropped a pass and the right side totally missed the blitzer? Barkley led 2 of the 3 longest drives today. Again, look at the topic - Nobody is disputing that Allen has a much higher upside than Barkley, but at this moment - the combination of Allen's growing pains and Daboll's complicated offense makes Barkley a better short term option. no it really doesn’t. How many Points did Barkley lead is to today? i mean it is about points. So how many did Barkley put up today Edited September 30, 2019 by MAJBobby 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meatloaf63 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, mannc said: We’ll see. Getting rid of the ball quickly and decisively can make up for other flaws. Barkley certainly moved the ball as well as Allen today. Except he failed in the red zone and couldn’t get rid of the ball when he needed to either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Just now, mannc said: We’ll see. Getting rid of the ball quickly and decisively can make up for other flaws. Barkley certainly moved the ball as well as Allen today. There is no question that getting rid of the ball quickly and decisively can make up for other flaws. But there has been one guy imo in 30 years that has succeeded with an arm like Barkley and that is Pennington after surgery and he was an extraordinarily smart QB. People say Montana didn't have a strong arm but he could make all the throws and often did. Barkley cannot. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Vrabel runs the exact same defense so it’s a great opportunity for Josh to take a mulligan and go out there and ball. He was awful today - if it were me, I’d be chomping at the bit to give it another go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lieutenant Aldo Raine Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, GG said: The possession where a WR dropped a pass and the right side totally missed the blitzer? Barkley led 2 of the 3 longest drives today. Again, look at the topic - Nobody is disputing that Allen has a much higher upside than Barkley, but at this moment - the combination of Allen's growing pains and Daboll's complicated offense makes Barkley a better short term option. So you are shifting your point from Barkley playing because Allen is hurt to Barkley playing because he is a better short term option. So you are trying to hide a QB controversy within your thread. Just be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted September 30, 2019 Author Share Posted September 30, 2019 Just now, Joe in Winslow said: Right? That last possession was SO typical of the Bills QBing we've seen over the past 20 years, I had to laugh. So you crap on the QB who had 2 of the longest drives today, was totally left exposed by an OL brainfart, but excuse the guy who threw 3 ridiculous INTs and fumbled twice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 4 minutes ago, GG said: The possession where a WR dropped a pass and the right side totally missed the blitzer? Barkley led 2 of the 3 longest drives today. Again, look at the topic - Nobody is disputing that Allen has a much higher upside than Barkley, but at this moment - the combination of Allen's growing pains and Daboll's complicated offense makes Barkley a better short term option. Just absolutely, unequivocally no. Matt Barkley is a bad quarterback. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalo2218 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Wow, all this Barkley hate. The guy hasn't played in a regular season game in almost a year, and gets shredded because he didn't win the game for us. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Just now, GG said: So you crap on the QB who had 2 of the longest drives today, was totally left exposed by an OL brainfart, but excuse the guy who threw 3 ridiculous INTs and fumbled twice? Really? So it was an OL brainfart that caused him to throw grounders in the series prior to that? You may enjoy noodle-arms with quick releases, but I don't. ToMAYto, ToMAHto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Barkley isn’t good. The people hyping him up as one of the best backups in the league must be on drugs. To answer the question, if Allen can play then he should play. He’s by far our best option. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 42 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: How is it at all obvious that Barkley is better prepared to operate the offense? Good question. Didn't show it today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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