Mr. WEO Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 48 minutes ago, GG said: You're comparing a Bears stint on a tanking team and you're blaming him for the Bears defense allowing points? I was refuting the claim that he can put point up when needed. He can't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 15 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: I just watched the game again and Barkley wasn’t any better than Allen. In a full quarter he got zero points. One drive was three and out with three straight bad passes to slightly open WR. He missed other open guys. He fumbled. He threw the INT. It’s possible the Brown pass to Yeldon is easier if the short toss back to Brown was accurate but he made Brown jump for it. His one good play was a spectacular catch by Brown. Barkley didn't have a great game, but he wasn't awful, either. There was one sequence where he threw three low but catchable balls that were all dropped by Jones, Brown and Beasley. He was coming off the bench against the best defense in the league. I think I'll wait until I see him this Sunday with a full week of preparation before I decide that he sucks. Last year he put up the Bills' best QB game of the year against a not-terrible Jets defense. I'm not sure why people think he can't do that again. He reminds me of Orton, with a slightly weaker arm. 18 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: I was refuting the claim that he can put point up when needed. He can't. Demonstrably false, as he proved last year against the Jets. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 22 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: I just watched the game again and Barkley wasn’t any better than Allen. In a full quarter he got zero points. One drive was three and out with three straight bad passes to slightly open WR. He missed other open guys. He fumbled. He threw the INT. It’s possible the Brown pass to Yeldon is easier if the short toss back to Brown was accurate but he made Brown jump for it. His one good play was a spectacular catch by Brown. Barkley had 20 less passing yards than Allen on 12 less attempts. He got “zero points” because they went for it on fourth down and his pass went off May Day Jones’ hands. Things Barkley didn’t do: -throw 3 horrific interceptions into triple coverage -take drive killing sacks to move us out of FG range in Pats territory If Josh Allen didn’t puke on his shoes in Pats territory and we didn’t have to punt on their 40, but instead kicked FG’s, Barkley would have won us that game easy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 1 minute ago, mannc said: Barkley didn't have a great game, but he wasn't awful, either. There was one sequence where he threw three low but catchable balls that were all dropped by Jones, Brown and Beasley. He was coming off the bench against the best defense in the league. I think I'll wait until I see him this Sunday with a full week of preparation before I decide that he sucks. Last year he put up the Bills' best QB game of the year against a not-terrible Jets defense. I'm not sure why people think he can't do that again. He reminds me of Orton, with a slightly weaker arm. Demonstrably false, as he proved last year against the Jets. Wrong. The Bills had a 17 point lead before Barkley threw a TD. The game was over by 2 minutes remaining in the 1st Q....14-0 and never looked back at a bad Jets team. He was 4-9 passing to that point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Here’s what I’m hoping. If Barkley starts, he tears it up like the Jets game last year. Allen seems to respond to adversity so this will be a fire under him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Wrong. The Bills had a 17 point lead before Barkley threw a TD. The game was over by 2 minutes remaining in the 1st Q....14-0 and never looked back at a bad Jets team. He was 4-9 passing to that point. Didn’t Josh have a couple TO’s and almost lose the game against the Jets this year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 8 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said: Barkley had 20 less passing yards than Allen on 12 less attempts. He got “zero points” because they went for it on fourth down and his pass went off May Day Jones’ hands. Things Barkley didn’t do: -throw 3 horrific interceptions into triple coverage -take drive killing sacks to move us out of FG range in Pats territory If Josh Allen didn’t puke on his shoes in Pats territory and we didn’t have to punt on their 40, but instead kicked FG’s, Barkley would have won us that game easy. He did throw 2 ints, one was overturned and one wasn't one of Allens should have been overturned, it wasn't. Allen is the better QB and the franchise at this point, if he is able to, he plays, period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 ...that ball is in Daboll's court.......heavy dose of "play not to lose ball" ...OR......stay tuned............... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, pop gun said: He did throw 2 ints, one was overturned and one wasn't one of Allens should have been overturned, it wasn't. Allen is the better QB and the franchise at this point, if he is able to, he plays, period. No, one wasn’t an INT lol. So no, he threw one. Allen threw 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 11 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Wrong. The Bills had a 17 point lead before Barkley threw a TD. The game was over by 2 minutes remaining in the 1st Q....14-0 and never looked back at a bad Jets team. He was 4-9 passing to that point. Nice try. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 3 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said: No, one wasn’t an INT lol. So no, he threw one. Allen threw 3. Allen sideline int should not have been, it should have been an incomplete pass if the ref did their job correctly and knew the rulebook. Barkley had 1 and the second one had to go to replay to be seen was incomplete. I don't care what anybody says Allen is the best QB on the roster by a lot and the QB of this team going forward. Snivel all you want Barkley is not starting unless Josh is injured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, pop gun said: Allen sideline int should not have been, it should have been an incomplete pass if the ref did their job correctly and knew the rulebook. Barkley had 1 and the second one had to go to replay to be seen was incomplete. I don't care what anybody says Allen is the best QB on the roster by a lot and the QB of this team going forward. Snivel all you want Barkley is not starting unless Josh is injured. Listen, I also wish Barkley wasn’t a better option. Unfortunately, much like the box score interceptions, sometimes the cold hard truth does not care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 24 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said: Barkley had 20 less passing yards than Allen on 12 less attempts. He got “zero points” because they went for it on fourth down and his pass went off May Day Jones’ hands. Things Barkley didn’t do: -throw 3 horrific interceptions into triple coverage -take drive killing sacks to move us out of FG range in Pats territory If Josh Allen didn’t puke on his shoes in Pats territory and we didn’t have to punt on their 40, but instead kicked FG’s, Barkley would have won us that game easy. Jones wasnt even in the endzone when it hit his hands and was coming further out with a Patriot right on his back. He wasnt going to score even if he caught it. The one Josh threw into alleged triple coverage was not an INT as was finally shown. All three were bad passes but also leaping catches by the Patriots. He was playing fine in the second half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 1 minute ago, Kelly the Dog said: Jones wasnt even in the endzone when it hit his hands and was coming further out with a Patriot right on his back. He wasnt going to score even if he caught it. The one Josh threw into alleged triple coverage was not an INT as was finally shown. All three were bad passes but also leaping catches by the Patriots. He was playing fine in the second half. Oh so now it’s “alleged” triple coverage because someone said it shouldn’t have counted as an INT? Let’s go one step further, how about it’s “alleged” that Josh Allen even threw that ball? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: He's demonstrably worse at protecting the ball than Allen. you're gonna have to explain this one to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 5 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said: Oh so now it’s “alleged” triple coverage because someone said it shouldn’t have counted as an INT? Let’s go one step further, how about it’s “alleged” that Josh Allen even threw that ball? If you want to get technical not one of them was into triple coverage. The other two, one was double coverage and one was single coverage. There were three guys close enough to the ball on the third one but it was not triple coverage, he just made a terrible decision and terrible throw that was not even an interception. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted September 30, 2019 Author Share Posted September 30, 2019 53 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: I was refuting the claim that he can put point up when needed. He can't. Is this based on factual data of the points he's contributed to in his brief career or your perpetual need to be an argumentative @#_&? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laughing Coffin Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 I'm scared with Barkley behind this line. Our offensive tackles have been terrible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BananaB Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Lol..... We are 3-1 and our young QB had a bad game against a great defense and you guys want to hand the keys to Matt Barkley. LMAO. If Barkley is so good he would not of been unemployed when the Bills picked him up last year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuckyBoys Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 If the plan is for Matt Barkley to "win " the football game we are in deep doo doo. I expect heavy run game, the usual great D and hopefully better special teams to set up the Bills to manufacture 20 points somehow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 (edited) Maybe...Barkley can be effective that is for sure over a few games...he throws on time and in rhythm and is usually pretty accurate(including his deep balls--that 3rd and 9 throw to Brown on his first play was a thing of beauty)...whether that could continue over an entire season i would be more skeptical of... Edited September 30, 2019 by matter2003 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 18 minutes ago, matter2003 said: Maybe...Barkley can be effective that is for sure over a few games...he throws on time and in rhythm and is usually pretty accurate(including his deep balls--that 3rd and 9 throw to Brown on his first play was a thing of beauty)...whether that could continue over an entire season i would be more skeptical of... It was a spectacular one handed catch against his shoulder falling backwards after catching it over his head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 1 hour ago, BringBackOrton said: Didn’t Josh have a couple TO’s and almost lose the game against the Jets this year? yes. 1 hour ago, mannc said: Nice try. There's the white flag. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 1 hour ago, BringBackOrton said: Didn’t Josh have a couple TO’s and almost lose the game against the Jets this year? ooo do now we are saying Almost? Didn’t Josh Allen Beat the Jets this year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 1 hour ago, reddogblitz said: you're gonna have to explain this one to me. See my posts above. 50 minutes ago, GG said: Is this based on factual data of the points he's contributed to in his brief career or your perpetual need to be an argumentative @#_&? Yes. But if arguing using facts makes me a @#_&, I can live with that. Just doing my part to refute the torrents of BS that get posted. I'm hardly alone in that... Anyway, it's a fool's argument. It doesn't matter what Barkley does if he starts Sunday. Josh is the QB, Barkley is the place sitter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 42 minutes ago, DuckyBoys said: If the plan is for Matt Barkley to "win " the football game we are in deep doo doo. I expect heavy run game, the usual great D and hopefully better special teams to set up the Bills to manufacture 20 points somehow Me too. I just want to win. And, 20 points would be our 2nd highest point total of the year. Really we should be playing the style of offense you described instead of trying to run a fancy pass offense and turning the football over regularly. 4 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: See my posts above. Which one? 3 TDs and 6 picks in 3 1/2 games and 4 fumbles is not "protecting the football" which you said Josh was better at than Barkley. What evidence could you possibly have? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 3 minutes ago, reddogblitz said: Me too. I just want to win. And, 20 points would be our 2nd highest point total of the year. Really we should be playing the style of offense you described instead of trying to run a fancy pass offense and turning the football over regularly. Which one? 3 TDs and 6 picks in 3 1/2 games and 4 fumbles is not "protecting the football" which you said Josh was better at than Barkley. What evidence could you possibly have? Barkely had a fumble and an INT in one quarter. That is eight in a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuckyBoys Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Realistically and this is not just this week if Barkley plays, they need to run more and get play action going. Daboll offense looks like something a 10 year vet with great perimeter players would be running Not a raw qb behind a still in progress O line with lets be gracious here , decent skill guys 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 (edited) 1 minute ago, Kelly the Dog said: Barkely had a fumble and an INT in one quarter. That is eight in a game. Gotcha. Good point. But he didn't have any vs Jets, so that's 2 in 5 quarters. Edited September 30, 2019 by reddogblitz 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 (edited) 11 minutes ago, reddogblitz said: Me too. I just want to win. And, 20 points would be our 2nd highest point total of the year. Really we should be playing the style of offense you described instead of trying to run a fancy pass offense and turning the football over regularly. Which one? 3 TDs and 6 picks in 3 1/2 games and 4 fumbles is not "protecting the football" which you said Josh was better at than Barkley. What evidence could you possibly have? You're joking, right? "The Bears needed lots of points when Barkley had a 6 game stretch as a starter. He tossed 8 TDs over that period. And 14 INTs. Fumbled 4 times. He once beat the Jets. Half of his TD passes as a Bill went to Dion Dawkins (1)." Edited September 30, 2019 by Mr. WEO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 DOOMED I TELL YOU..... DOOMED!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 3 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: You're joking, right? "The Bears needed lots of points when Barkley had a 6 game stretch as a starter. He tossed 8 TDs over that period. And 14 INTs. Fumbled 4 times. He once beat the Jets. Half of his TD passes as a Bill went to Dion Dawkins (1)." No I'm not. Calm down Mr. WEO. I'm not saying Barkley is better and should play if Allen is ready. But, if Josh is out which I suspect, then I think Barkley could lead a more conservative offense with running the football and short timing drop back and throw passes that Matt is good at and we can win. We shouldn't need a ton of points because our D is stout. Most important thing, don't turn the football over. I don't understand why you're so down on Matt. Ever since he's been here he has done pretty well. Probably our best backup since Coach McDermott arrived. He's our guy this week probably. Let's win. Go BILLS !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 1 minute ago, reddogblitz said: No I'm not. Calm down Mr. WEO. I'm not saying Barkley is better and should play if Allen is ready. But, if Josh is out which I suspect, then I think Barkley could lead a more conservative offense with running the football and short timing drop back and throw passes that Matt is good at and we can win. We shouldn't need a ton of points because our D is stout. Most important thing, don't turn the football over. I don't understand why you're so down on Matt. Ever since he's been here he has done pretty well. Probably our best backup since Coach McDermott arrived. He's our guy this week probably. Let's win. Go BILLS !! I'm down on the notion being pushed on this thread, believe it or not, that Barkley is more fit for the offense that Daboll is running. ANd that he protects the ball better. He has played so little real football with the Bills at all, let alone this season, that it's impossible to claim he is better fit for this offense. His past as a starter has proven that he's not good at all at protecting the ball. That's all. He's a good backup (but his resume is VERY thin there--or worse). Hope Allen gets back ASAP. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 (edited) The offense should be better because the Titans have the 17 th ranked defense as compared to the #1 defense. Simple answers are often correct. Edited September 30, 2019 by SlimShady'sGhost 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 I think Josh would’ve found a way to win that game yesterday. He plays best late when the game is on the line. We needed his ability to get away from pressure on those last couple drives. Now that being said, Barkley may be a great play for this Sunday vs Tennessee. They won’t need 40 points to win. The Bills need a game manager for this one. With a few days of practice and 1st string reps, Barkley should be good to go. I suspect we will see a nice short/intermediate passing game with Matt. And if Singletary is back that only helps. I feel like the D is due for a big pick six or fumble return. I’m fine with Barkley getting the Titans game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalo2218 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 6 hours ago, pop gun said: Yeah, didn't think you would answer it. Try watching the game instead of just highlights, you half fan! You advocate for Barkley but won't all out say so because you don't want to commit and paint yourself into a corner because you can always retort, "i didn't say that", yeah whatever. Josh is the unquestioned starter, if you can't see that (don't know how you would just by watching highlights) you're lost and only wants to argue with your half wit opinions! I did answer it, you tried to turn it in to something it's not. Don't talk to me about half wit since your IQ is apparently in the single digits. You completely ignore what I said and put your own spin on it. SPECIFICALLY, I said when Allen is cleared, then yes, he should be starting. Fake fan? I'm a fan of this team, while you're just a fan of Allen the way you go on about him making pathetic excuses about this or that. Whether you like it or not, Allen played bad yesterday, nothing you can say to that. You're starting to remind me of that moron from jetnation named SAR1. You 2 should hook up and maybe between the both of you, you might have 1/4 of a brain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, buffalo2218 said: Don't talk to me about half wit since your IQ is apparently in the single digits. You completely ignore what I said and put your own spin on it. SPECIFICALLY, I said when Allen is cleared, then yes, he should be starting. Fake fan? I'm a fan of this team, Dude, take a chill pill. It's just a football game. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalo2218 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 1 minute ago, reddogblitz said: Dude, take a chill pill. It's just a football game. Dude came at me twisting my words, not trying to be a jerk, but read the post history first. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 17 minutes ago, zow2 said: I think Josh would’ve found a way to win that game yesterday. He plays best late when the game is on the line. We needed his ability to get away from pressure on those last couple drives. Now that being said, Barkley may be a great play for this Sunday vs Tennessee. They won’t need 40 points to win. The Bills need a game manager for this one. With a few days of practice and 1st string reps, Barkley should be good to go. I suspect we will see a nice short/intermediate passing game with Matt. And if Singletary is back that only helps. I feel like the D is due for a big pick six or fumble return. I’m fine with Barkley getting the Titans game. seems as simple as this when you look at things clearly well done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 I’d say if the Bills sign a QB tomorrow then Allen is out. If not, then this will probably drag out all week and Allen will play Sunday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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