horrible game decisions my Coach McD

[BITE ME]

1 minute ago, Boatdrinks said:

While his mistakes were glaring, he was battling back and had the team in position for a 4th quarter comeback. Not all bad vs BB, who generally has his way with less experienced QBs. I’d agree the coaching was pretty solid all around. STs are still weak. 

 

He can't make those same mistakes.  This was a home game.  You make mistakes like that on the road and teams bury you.  He keeps forcing the ball down the field and he will be watching Matt Barkley the second half of the season.  I doubt he will.  Pretty confident he will learn to take what defenses give him.  

[MAJBobby]

Just now, slipkid said:

  Well, you’re one for three. That ain’t bad.?

name then where am I wrong

[GreggTX]

I felt like we should have taken the late FG and made it a 16-13 game. That would have changed the whole complexion of the 4th Q. Someone PLEASE tell Josh to stop trying to carry the team on his back. When he tries to do too much, it blows up in his face. That was a very winnable game if the offense doesn't press and just takes what the D gives them. Part of the blame goes to Daboll, though I do think he's doing well overall.

 

My respect for our defense just grew a couple notches. They certainly played like an elite D today. Brady looked lost. We squandered a defensive gem. Oh well, at least I now know we're a legitimate wild card team. 10 wins doesn't seem unlikely if Allen checks out OK.

 

Could our ST have played any worse? Well, we had a couple decent returns, but had the best one called back. Where was the protection on those punts? Before you blame Bojo, he was lucky he even got that one 20-something yarder off. It was very nearly blocked.

Edited September 29, 2019 by GreggTX

[Boatdrinks]

Just now, FUTURIST said:

 

He can't make those same mistakes.  This was a home game.  You make mistakes like that on the road and teams bury you.  He keeps forcing the ball down the field and he will be watching Matt Barkley the second half of the season.  I doubt he will.  Pretty confident he will learn to take what defenses give him.  

No, he can’t but he’ll be slow to dial that down a la Favre. He’ll eventually learn to be patient when he’s frustrated. 

[Kelly the Dog]

3 minutes ago, RiotAct said:

Yup.  That was absolutely the right call there... you get down to the 2 yard line, you need to go for the jugular.

Every game and situation is different depending on the time, who you are playing, how your offense and defense are playing, etc. No such thing as you get to two you go. I'm an aggressive guy on plays like that, I often want to go when coaches don't, but I thought kicking it was the right call there. 

[Big Blitz]

Anyone arguing about not kicking the FG there bc you liked him being aggressive (not conservative) I get it.  But this is where being smart and understanding the current game flow...WE WERE AT HOME.....the FG was the right call.  Too much time was left.  

Edited September 29, 2019 by Big Blitz

[Magox]

Great defensive coaching today.

 

Should have kicked the field goal though.  This was a totally winnable game that slipped through our fingers due to bad QB and special teams play.

[Chandler#81]

your coach McD??

[BITE ME]

Just now, LABILLBACKER said:

The coaching was hardly a B+.  The challenges were dumb especially against a team that notoriously gets the ref love. 4th down on the 2 1/2 yard line with Barkley was stupid and reckless. Kick the easy fg with 12 min left. Farwell needs to take heat. As usual our defense plays their hearts out (basically shutout NE) and get nothing to show. And Josh took a big step backwards today. Hopefully the targeting doesn't turn into Trentative scenario?

 

The Defensive game plan was an A.  The overall coaching was a B+. He made some great decisions when it came to making adjustments at half-time.  They were the first team in 5 games to score a TD on that defense.  They played a VERY good game, and made the mistakes you expect from a young team.  We forget they were down 6 with the ball on the 2 yard line late in the game against the world champions.  This was an EXCELLENT all around game.  Allen just threw too many picks.  Special teams mistakes cost them 10 points too.  No complaints.  This is what you want in week 4.  By week 16 the Bills will clean these things up.  The rematch will be a good one.  

[vorpma]

Here they come, out of the woodwork, TBD's finest!

[NoSaint]

22 minutes ago, fishgrappler said:

If he kicked the field goal and we still lost you’d be posting that he’s too conservative....many others would be backseat drivers just like you.

 

 

 

I often say go for it. That seemed like an obvious take the points and posted before the decision was made 

[Happy]

1 minute ago, Magox said:

Great defensive coaching today.

 

Should have kicked the field goal though.  This was a totally winnable game that slipped through our fingers due to bad QB and special teams play.

 

If we kicked the field goal mid 4th quarter and still lost, everyone would say we should have gone for the TD.  McD coached to win, and I applaud him for that.

[Boatdrinks]

2 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

The coaching was hardly a B+.  The challenges were dumb especially against a team that notoriously gets the ref love. 4th down on the 2 1/2 yard line with Barkley was stupid and reckless. Kick the easy fg with 12 min left. Farwell needs to take heat. As usual our defense plays their hearts out (basically shutout NE) and get nothing to show. And Josh took a big step backwards today. Hopefully the targeting doesn't turn into Trentative scenario?

Challenges are about video evidence, not ref favoritism. A spot challenge is generally a bad one unless blatantly obvious ( which most are not). Challenges thus far on uncalled PI have overwhelmingly not been made under the new rule. So that’s a bad challenge too. The 4th down call needed to be to go for it as your QB was out and you’ve got to be aggressive to win vs New England. No use just keeping it close and your D was having a great day. The John Brown pass was a great call and even the pass to Jones probably should have been a TD. If they ran and got stuffed everyone would say they were too conservative and NE knew they would run with Barkley in there. 

[Formerly Allan in MD]

The play calling was atrocious.  Allen's decision making was just as bad.  He doesn't appear to learn from all the coaching he's had, which is a real concern.  Last season he wouldn't slide on runs until they drilled it into him to do it.  He's not sliding again this year.  And Allen's not setting his feet when he throws.  One interception he threw off his back foot.  He's waiting too long to throw and still won't throw the ball away when he can't locate a receiver.  If it wasn't for our defense today, we'd have been badly burnt toast. 

[slipkid]

4 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

name then where am I wrong

You were right about the forward progression challenge—poor decision.

[bbb]

4 minutes ago, Happy Gilmore said:

 

If we kicked the field goal mid 4th quarter and still lost, everyone would say we should have gone for the TD.  McD coached to win, and I applaud him for that.

 

I'm glad you know what everybody would say.  

[Billzgobowlin]

Neither challenge was per se to challenge a play but an official ruling.  Mcderm was challenging forward progress which he would have never won.  The second was getting them to notice a pick not an actual pass interference.  Both were bad ref judgement but also bad challenges.

[Mr. WEO]

23 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

pick play challenge was right. 
 

going for it was right call 

 

bad challenge was challenging progress should NEVER challenge the spot. 

 

 

Someone needs to instruct McD which types of plays are reviewable.

 

Sheesh

[Meatloaf63]

5 minutes ago, Formerly Allan in MD said:

The play calling was atrocious.  Allen's decision making was just as bad.  He doesn't appear to learn from all the coaching he's had, which is a real concern.  Last season he wouldn't slide on runs until they drilled it into him to do it.  He's not sliding again this year.  And Allen's not setting his feet when he throws.  One interception he threw off his back foot.  He's waiting too long to throw and still won't throw the ball away when he can't locate a receiver.  If it wasn't for our defense today, we'd have been badly burnt toast. 

How bad was Brady’s decision making? His percentage was just as bad and was saved by refs who wouldn’t call grounding against him...

[Formerly Allan in MD]

5 minutes ago, vorpma said:

Here they come, out of the woodwork, TBD's finest!

Shut up already!

[Not at the table Karlos]

18 minutes ago, bbb said:

 

Not after they lose two yards and make it fourth and four.  

Everyone in the world was expecting run on third. They should have PA to te 

Edited September 29, 2019 by Not at the table Karlos

[TwistofFate]

30 minutes ago, KD in CA said:

Both challenges were stupid.

 

The 4th and 1 call was correct.  They needed to get the TD to win.

No they didnt.   They needed 3, and at worst get into range for 3 at the end to tie it.

 

Going for it on 4th down was terrible and even MORE TERRIBLE because the call was to JONES, who needs to be cut from this team!  He can't catch anything and never has been able to, yet in the clutch, with the game on the line, you all a play to him????  TERRIBLE.

[mjt328]

I'm usually not a fan that likes pointing fingers at coaches, but today's playcalling from Brian Daboll was atrocious.

 

It seems like we came into the game absolutely DETERMINED to hit a big play in the passing game.  Almost like we saw something in film during the week, and figured we could attack the Patriots secondary downfield.  Which is fine.  But it only took about 2-3 drives to realize Belichick's defensive strategy was to stop the deeper passes.

 

This was a day for patience and rhythm in the passing game.  This was a day for controlling the ball with our run game.  Where were the slants, the quick curls, the quick outs, or the screens?  Why didn't we run some draws?  When Josh Allen was standing back there holding the ball for 5-6 seconds waiting for someone to get open, why didn't we have a check-down available.  Every bit of success we had on offense was on the underneath routes, or on big runs by Frank Gore.  It really appeared we made some adjustments at halftime.  But on the next drive, we were back to the long-developing pass plays - which continued to FAIL miserably.

 

 

[Formerly Allan in MD]

To MarkAF43 (from the closed thread), Josh Allen is the main reason we lost the game.  The play calling certainly didn't help.

[Kelly the Dog]

The fact you have Barkley in there is why you kick from the four. He can get you a fg at the end. He's hard pressed to get a TD there. I thought it was an easy choice to go for FG. And you do not under any circumstances throw to Zay Jones short of the goal line. 

[Trogdor]

Is there any reason that they didn't chip Van Noy? Ford got wrecked all day and you do keep Knox or Sweeney in to block? Forget Lee Smith and his inability to track the snap count. 

[Happy]

16 minutes ago, bbb said:

 

I'm glad you know what everybody would say.  

 

Really?  You don't think there would be any second guessing of either decision McD made in that type of situation?

[slipkid]

16 minutes ago, Billzgobowlin said:

Neither challenge was per se to challenge a play but an official ruling.  Mcderm was challenging forward progress which he would have never won.  The second was getting them to notice a pick not an actual pass interference.  Both were bad ref judgement but also bad challenges.

The pick challenge (and resulting loss of a time out) and the fourth down call are what baffle me. Then, you’re without timeouts with 3:30 and the ball at your own fifteen, manage to get the ball to their forty, and have to play panic ball because you don’t have a timeout!?

 

Imagine if you had a time out and a 100-yard runner at the other team’s forty yard line, down by three, with your back-up QB and your D playing lights out. 

 

I’m no coach, but I know bad decisions. You play to win the game!

[Kelly the Dog]

23 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

Someone needs to instruct McD which types of plays are reviewable.

 

Sheesh

I think the officials tell him. He didn't challenge anything by definition could not be overturned, but he made some bad choices. 

23 minutes ago, TwistofFate said:

No they didnt.   They needed 3, and at worst get into range for 3 at the end to tie it.

 

Going for it on 4th down was terrible and even MORE TERRIBLE because the call was to JONES, who needs to be cut from this team!  He can't catch anything and never has been able to, yet in the clutch, with the game on the line, you all a play to him????  TERRIBLE.

I don't think the call was to go to Jones,  it turned out that way after the snap. But to me you do not throw it to him in that situation. 

[LABILLBACKER]

30 minutes ago, FUTURIST said:

 

The Defensive game plan was an A.  The overall coaching was a B+. He made some great decisions when it came to making adjustments at half-time.  They were the first team in 5 games to score a TD on that defense.  They played a VERY good game, and made the mistakes you expect from a young team.  We forget they were down 6 with the ball on the 2 yard line late in the game against the world champions.  This was an EXCELLENT all around game.  Allen just threw too many picks.  Special teams mistakes cost them 10 points too.  No complaints.  This is what you want in week 4.  By week 16 the Bills will clean these things up.  The rematch will be a good one.  

I've never doubted Sean's defensive decision making. But he's also in charge of ST and offense.  He's keeping players on this team that do not contribute. I think we all know who those guys are. Eventually this special defense will get worn down by offensive/ST incompetence. 

[bbb]

9 minutes ago, Happy Gilmore said:

 

Really?  You don't think there would be any second guessing of either decision McD made in that type of situation?

 

Not by the same people.  I said take the points.  I would not have then said the opposite if they did kick it.  

25 minutes ago, Not at the table Karlos said:

Everyone in the world was expecting run on third. They should have PA to te 

 

?

[Mr. WEO]

3 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

I think the officials tell him. He didn't challenge anything by definition could not be overturned, but he made some bad choices. 

I don't think the call was to go to Jones,  it turned out that way after the snap. But to me you do not throw it to him in that situation. 

 

He challenged the forward progress.  He wasn't challenging the spot.

Edited September 29, 2019 by Mr. WEO

[Perry Turtle]

18 minutes ago, mjt328 said:

I'm usually not a fan that likes pointing fingers at coaches, but today's playcalling from Brian Daboll was atrocious.

 

It seems like we came into the game absolutely DETERMINED to hit a big play in the passing game.  Almost like we saw something in film during the week, and figured we could attack the Patriots secondary downfield.  Which is fine.  But it only took about 2-3 drives to realize Belichick's defensive strategy was to stop the deeper passes.

 

This was a day for patience and rhythm in the passing game.  This was a day for controlling the ball with our run game.  Where were the slants, the quick curls, the quick outs, or the screens?  Why didn't we run some draws?  When Josh Allen was standing back there holding the ball for 5-6 seconds waiting for someone to get open, why didn't we have a check-down available.  Every bit of success we had on offense was on the underneath routes, or on big runs by Frank Gore.  It really appeared we made some adjustments at halftime.  But on the next drive, we were back to the long-developing pass plays - which continued to FAIL miserably.

 

 

Need to see the all-22, but my guess is that those passes were there and Allen didn't take them.  Hard to believe that the goal was to get Zay Jones deep for any reason other than clearing out a zone for an underneath pass.

 

Allen held onto the ball way too long today.  Hard to believe that was the gameplan.  He was playing too much hero ball.

 

This was the first game I got the feeling that McDermott lost control a bit.

 

Those challanges weren't needed because of the play of the defense.  He needed to trust them more to overcome iffy calls, and save the timeouts. Like Allen, he was playing hero ball with those challenges.

 

 

[Kelly the Dog]

1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

He challenged the forward progress.  He wasn't challenging the spot.

Which you can. It was stupid but it wasn't impossible to overturn. They very rarely overturn something like that. Terrible call. But within rules. 

[Mr. WEO]

7 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

Which you can. It was stupid but it wasn't impossible to overturn. They very rarely overturn something like that. Terrible call. But within rules. 

 

I thought you can't challenge for a whistle 

[Trogdor]

7 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

I've never doubted Sean's defensive decision making. But he's also in charge of ST and offense.  He's keeping players on this team that do not contribute. I think we all know who those guys are. Eventually this special defense will get worn down by offensive/ST incompetence. 

This is my biggest problem with McD and most coaches we have had. We lack a game manager who can control the whole team. Hiring a good coordinator only works when they make good hiring choices, and he hasn't. He needs to grow outside of his friends and find someone with new ideas or at least a winning record. 

[Beast]

I guess we needed a thread like this since we have one blaming the refs.

[PlayoffsPlease]

I will have to review the tape before passing judgement on McDs in game decision making. 

[Kelly the Dog]

3 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

I thought you can't challenge for a whistle 

It wasn't the whistle. 

And again, the refs tell you if you legally cannot challenge something. 

And also your point is why it was so stupid. 

[Bevis]

McClappity is pretty terrible on game days. Only thing I liked today was going for the TD. He needs to do that more often.