The Duke Williams Bandwagon Post

[par73]

Jones didn't lose them the game today (Allen's futility). With the erratic QB play, the Bills are very fortunate to have the record they do (credit the D, lousy opposition,  Allen's play late in a couple of them and luck-- he could have easily turned it over a couple more times to the Jets).

That said, I am in agreement about Jones He is worthless on the field, and actually a liability (failing to play DB on an INT). Dropped at least one pass today (Not counting the TD-- that would have been a great catch, and he's never had one of those). I'd love to see him off the team tomorrow (and I was all for giving him time' even going into this season--- well, enough!!!).

Anyone they replace him with could not be worse-- or do less.

Edited September 30, 2019 by par73
omission corrected

[muppy]

https://billswire.usatoday.com/2019/09/27/bills-vs-patriots-final-friday-injury-report/

 

McKenzie was questionable to play with a bad ankle according to this link. In not sure he was active today. 

 

as far as  Zay Jones is concerned he isnt playing with much heart in my opinion like he is mailing it in. Id rather have a hungry guy like Duke Williams who you know will ball hard and fight for catches.

Edited September 30, 2019 by Margarita

[Captain Caveman]

13 hours ago, Bangarang said:

I have bigger issues with the throws into double coverage

 

Agreed that those throws shouldn't have been made, but if a receiver isn't going to fight for a deep ball he shouldn't be on the field.  I don't think it's reasonable or realistic to say that if a QB makes a bad decision he shouldn't be out there (although if he keeps making 5 bad decisions a game, he'll be gone soon enough.)

 

I'm all for bringing Duke up and letting Zay go.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

2 minutes ago, Captain Caveman said:

 

Agreed that those throws shouldn't have been made, but if a receiver isn't going to fight for a deep ball he shouldn't be on the field.  I don't think it's reasonable or realistic to say that if a QB makes a bad decision he shouldn't be out there (although if he keeps making 5 bad decisions a game, he'll be gone soon enough.)

 

I'm all for bringing Duke up and letting Zay go.

 

Correct.

[CNYfan]

What is there to lose?   It has to get better, and as a poster said, one has to wonder if the Duke wouldn't have caught that ball that was tipped in the end zone for the int.

Edited September 30, 2019 by CNYfan
grammar

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

8 hours ago, Formerly Allan in MD said:

Duke should have been on the roster all along.  Wasn't there a movie entitled "Where's Foster?"

I don’t know about a movie, but probably there’s a thread somewhere down in the archives...?

40 minutes ago, Captain Caveman said:

I don't think it's reasonable or realistic to say that if a QB makes a bad decision he shouldn't be out there (although if he keeps making 5 bad decisions a game, he'll be gone soon enough.)

Actually, that might take longer than you think...?

[racketmaster]

Zay Jones is a replacement level wr and should never have been starting this year. WE knew this coming into the year as he failed to demonstrate any special qualities such as catching ability, catch radius, speed, quickness, run after catch. Jones has been average or poor in all those wr traits. The best I can say for Jones, is that he knows his playbook and he is a solid route runner. The only reason Jones has been on the field is that the coaching staff invested a high pick in him and they have been reluctant to admit their mistake. Hopefully, his days are numbered as there are better options, one of which may be Duke Williams. I'd prefer to see more Isiah McKenzie and Foster but Williams will at least go up and fight for contested balls and could be an asset in the red zone. 

 

What I wish the Bills had done was draft AJ Brown in the 2nd instead of trading up for Ford. Brown was my favorite wr in the draft and I'm not sure why he lasted as long as he did. I like Ford but if AJ Brown were drafted instead, he would have been a perfect compliment to John Brown and Cole Beasley. 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

WR needs to get better. Poeple lining for duke are like the poeple pining for Barkley yesterday.

 

the depth chart is this way for a reason  

[5 Wide]

1 hour ago, Captain Caveman said:

 

Agreed that those throws shouldn't have been made, but if a receiver isn't going to fight for a deep ball he shouldn't be on the field.  I don't think it's reasonable or realistic to say that if a QB makes a bad decision he shouldn't be out there (although if he keeps making 5 bad decisions a game, he'll be gone soon enough.)

 

I'm all for bringing Duke up and letting Zay go.

A few of those could have been incomplete if Zay just fights for the ball.  Heck, interfere with the DB if you have to, do anything but what he has done on those throws.

[SoCal Deek]

18 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

WR needs to get better. Poeple lining for duke are like the poeple pining for Barkley yesterday.

 

the depth chart is this way for a reason  

I’m not sure where you’re going here. I think those pining for Duke agree that the WR group has to get better. It’s perfectly OK to look for guys on your own roster to step it up. (Case on point, Pecko made a nice play with Harrison Phillips now our.)

[T master]

I'm all in bring in The Duke !! 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

24 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

I’m not sure where you’re going here. I think those pining for Duke agree that the WR group has to get better. It’s perfectly OK to look for guys on your own roster to step it up. (Case on point, Pecko made a nice play with Harrison Phillips now our.)

 

I’m saying i have no clue why so many people are positive this cfl practice squad guy is so much better than the #3 who’s already easily beaten him for the job. 

 

I want better too, but beane going to need to find a dance partner. 

[Captain Caveman]

Just now, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

 

I’m saying i have no clue why so many people are positive this cfl practice squad guy is so much better than the #3 who’s already easily beaten him for the job. 

 

I want better too, but beane going to need to find a dance partner. 

 

I'm not sure that he's better, but he does have some history that indicates he can perform physically at a level similar to Zay.

 

He was the #1 junior college recruit in 2014, and went to Auburn, where he was kicked off the team after only a few games for team rules violations (I believe he was in a barfight.) . In his first game at AUburn he had 9 catches for 154 yards and a TD.

 

He led the CFL in receiving last year, and looked very good in preseason along with several circus catches that have made the internet rounds since he's been with the Bills.  He's also a guy that has blown opportunities, and has talked about how he knows he's probably on his last chance, so I'd be very surprised if you saw him not at least contest those deep balls we saw yesterday.

 

 

[Locomark]

Let’s separate the 2 different issues. Zay needs to go. BUT His replacement doesn’t need to be Duke. Use some random late pick and get a real NFL receiver. We have a GM. We don’t have to sit pat. 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

3 minutes ago, Locomark said:

Let’s separate the 2 different issues. Zay needs to go. BUT His replacement doesn’t need to be Duke. Use some random late pick and get a real NFL receiver. We have a GM. We don’t have to sit pat. 

 

This.  I’m fine upgrading Zay. geeze even brown was mostly shut down all day.  But two preseason circus catches Over guys that aren’t on 53s doesn’t mean much.

 

hes this year’s Reilly or DaRick.

 

exloore the trade market and get a real upgrade.

Edited September 30, 2019 by Over 29 years of fanhood

[Locomark]

2 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

 

This.  I’m fine upgrading Zay. geeze even brown was mostly shut down all day.  But two preseason circus catches Over guys that aren’t on 53s doesn’t mean much.

 

hes this year’s Reilly or DaRick.

 

exloore the trade market and get a real upgrade.

Mike drop on that one.......

[JoPar_v2]

Surprised the tanner gentry advocates haven’t popped up in this thread yet.

[Rad Likes The Bills]

4 minutes ago, Locomark said:

Mike drop on that one.......

I think people are just saying give him a shot what do you have to lose?

 

 Draft status doesn’t mean a thing when you are on the field. You have to earn your reps, earn your money, and fight for your career. Zay has been babied by this regiment, and it has not been good for his “development”. He seems to just go through the motions out there... 

[PetermansRedemption]

15 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

 

This.  I’m fine upgrading Zay. geeze even brown was mostly shut down all day.  But two preseason circus catches Over guys that aren’t on 53s doesn’t mean much.

 

hes this year’s Reilly or DaRick.

 

exloore the trade market and get a real upgrade.

But how do you know that he won’t perform? Duke’s performed when given the chances, that’s all he can do. He performed in his one game at Auburn, performed at JUCO, performed in the CFL, performed in pre-season (he can’t help the competition he was up against), and has looked good in practice from the footage we see. Zay on the other hand looks disinterested at times and often has balls hit his hands (doesn’t mean it’s perfect passes) that he drops. Exploring the trade market is all well and good, but at this point getting a receiver in and up to speed would take some time. Far better option, if moving on from Zay, is to see what you have on the practice squad for a few games. Foster or Zay could go to make room and there would be absolutely no loss of talent. Foster and Zay have been absolutely non existent this season. 

Edited September 30, 2019 by Bills2ref

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

4 minutes ago, Bills2ref said:

But how do you know that he won’t perform? Duke’s performed when given the chances, that’s all he can. He performed in his one game at Auburn, performed at JUCO, performed in the CFL, performed in pre-season (he can’t help the competition he was up against), and has looked good in practice from the footage we see. Zay on the other hand looks disinterested at times and often has balls hit his hands (doesn’t mean it’s perfect passes) that he drops. Exploring the trade market is all well and good, but at this point getting a receiver in and up to speed would take some time. Far better option, if moving on from Zay, is to see what you have on the practice squad for a few games. Foster or Zay could go to make room and there would be absolutely no loss of talent. Foster and Zay have been absolutely non existent this season. 

 

Hos do I know what... that the coaches, whose professional expertise is putting a team of the best players together, opted out of adding the guy to the team? 

 

ZJ is third on the depth chart. He’s not there because the cfl guy is way better and the coaches are afraid to play him. 

 

Upgrade? Please!  But it’s not on the current team or PS

Edited September 30, 2019 by Over 29 years of fanhood

[CuddyDark]

Not yet. After the bye week. Maybe week 8 is where I'd put him in.

[PetermansRedemption]

15 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

 

Hos do I know what... that the coaches, whose professional expertise is putting a team of the best players together, opted out of adding the guy to the team? 

 

ZJ is third on the depth chart. He’s not there because the cfl guy is way better and the coaches are afraid to play him. 

 

Upgrade? Please!  But it’s not on the current team or PS

No, not how do you know the obvious, that the coaches didn’t put him on the team. I’m not here to debate that point Socrates. How do you, I, or the coaches know that Duke isn’t an upgrade is my point. No one can know for sure. Like I said, the guys produced. It’s not like he’s playing in NFL games and not producing. I’m just advocating for giving him a shot. You can even trade for a guy AND give Duke a shot while that guy is getting up to speed. There are two easy WR cuts to make the room in Zay and Foster. 

[Captain Caveman]

57 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

 

This.  I’m fine upgrading Zay. geeze even brown was mostly shut down all day.  But two preseason circus catches Over guys that aren’t on 53s doesn’t mean much.

 

hes this year’s Reilly or DaRick.

 

exloore the trade market and get a real upgrade.

 

Again, I'm not saying he's a sure thing, but I do think he's shown a lot.  And it's not just over guys not on 53s, this one was over Tre White, and just a coupe weeks ago.

 

 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

It’s a travesty we can’t vote a PS player into the pro-bowl.

[Don Otreply]

I love how folk here defend Mr not gonna catch over 60% of what is thrown to him man... what’s not to like about that....

 

Go Bills!!!

[Mango]

Part of the issues is JA is inaccurate with the deep ball. He can throw it out of the stadium, but not on target. 

[One Buffalo]

 

[Buffalo716]

7 hours ago, Captain Caveman said:

 

Again, I'm not saying he's a sure thing, but I do think he's shown a lot.  And it's not just over guys not on 53s, this one was over Tre White, and just a coupe weeks ago.

 

 

Tre White wearing a red injury jersey

 

He's pretty much running against air... But I do like his skill set

[CEN-CAL17]

McDs patients with Zay is running thin, At some point Duke has got to be given a chance to be a gamer.... cause there’s a difference in working hard and being able to make a play, and struggle at times vs a guy that proved in preseason and shows in practice to consistently get his hands on the ball.

[One Buffalo]

 

[Houston's #1 Bills Fan]

3 hours ago, One Buffalo said:

 

Ringside seat to that shyt!!!

[PetermansRedemption]

Duke will get a chance somewhere to prove he belongs against NFL talent. I just hope it’s the Bills giving him that chance. Seems to have learned from his past mistakes and is putting the team first. Not to mention he catches pretty good too. 

[Ayjent]

Remember when the Bills got rid of an underperforming WR last year?  Me too.  The Offense got instantly better when Allen stopped trying to force the ball to a WR that wouldn't fight for the ball. 

 

Allen made crappy decisions on all of those interceptions, but the WR has to do his part to help the QB.  Zay isn't doing that.

[Steptide]

Duke Imo isn't an every down reciever. He's a package reciever and a red zone threat. I'll take it though. Get the man in uniform 

Edited October 1, 2019 by Steptide

[Alphadawg7]

3 minutes ago, Ayjent said:

Remember when the Bills got rid of an underperforming WR last year?  Me too.  The Offense got instantly better when Allen stopped trying to force the ball to a WR that wouldn't fight for the ball. 

 

Allen made crappy decisions on all of those interceptions, but the WR has to do his part to help the QB.  Zay isn't doing that.

 

Yeah, these guys don't click and maybe someone else will click more with Allen.  

 

At this point, I think its pretty clear that for some reason Allen and Zay have no chemistry.  Since Allen has come back from injury last year against the Jags and looked much better, he has played 10 games.  In those 10 games, zay has 33 or LESS yards in 7 of them and 6 were actually 22 or less yards.  

 

I think there may be some trust issues.  Zay himself said that Allen had to pull him aside in camp and tell him he didn't like how he was running some of the routes.  Zay adjusted that day and they connected for a TD after.  Maybe Zay just isn't consistently hitting his routes the way Allen is expecting him to and just doesn't trust him because of it?

Don't know what it is, but they haven't been clicking, that much is clear.

 

 

[2020 Our Year For Sure]

7 hours ago, One Buffalo said:

 

I too was in 133! So that was Duke, at the time I figured maybe Foster. He was on us ALL game jumping, waving his arms beckoning for noise, I appreciate the energy.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

bring on the duke.

 

it's time.

 

[Alphadawg7]

On 9/30/2019 at 7:47 AM, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

It’s a travesty we can’t vote a PS player into the pro-bowl.

 

Its a travesty that you and one or two others are still so close minded to giving something else a try when something isn't working.  

 

Its clear Zay and Allen have no chemistry (33 or less yards in 7 of last 10 games with Allen).  Its clear Foster isn't doing much either due to injury or in the dog house as he barely plays when he was healthy this year too and has literally no catches.  Its clear McKenzie is nothing more than a gadget role player getting less than a touch a game.  

 

Here are their Season Stats:  

Zay Jones:  7 rec, 69 yards

Isaiah McKenzie:  3 rec, 49 yards, 1 TD

Robert Foster:  0 rec, 0 yards

 

That is a combined 10 rec, 118 yards through 4 games.  You telling me Duke can replicate any of that?  

 

You can claim he missed Zay on some throws, but thats the entire point.  Allen and Zay are not on the same page and have no chemistry.  

 

We are 4 games in, and no WR is producing not named Cole or Brown.  So why not give Duke a chance to see if he can help this team more than those 3 WR's?  

Edited October 1, 2019 by Alphadawg7

[Don Otreply]

So, what’s yous guys thoughts for a prediction of when Duke goes to the 53?

 

I’m thinking two more games on the outside.

 

Go Bills!!!

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

50 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Its a travesty that you and one or two others are still so close minded to giving something else a try when something isn't working.  

 

Its clear Zay and Allen have no chemistry (33 or less yards in 7 of last 10 games with Allen).  Its clear Foster isn't doing much either due to injury or in the dog house as he barely plays when he was healthy this year too and has literally no catches.  Its clear McKenzie is nothing more than a gadget role player getting less than a touch a game.  

 

Here are their Season Stats:  

Zay Jones:  7 rec, 69 yards

Isaiah McKenzie:  3 rec, 49 yards, 1 TD

Robert Foster:  0 rec, 0 yards

 

That is a combined 10 rec, 118 yards through 4 games.  You telling me Duke can replicate any of that?  

 

You can claim he missed Zay on some throws, but thats the entire point.  Allen and Zay are not on the same page and have no chemistry.  

 

We are 4 games in, and no WR is producing not named Cole or Brown.  So why not give Duke a chance to see if he can help this team more than those 3 WR's?  

 

Every year a bunch of people  fall in love with some practice squad guy over 2 or 3 preseason plays then puzzle that front office doesn’t elevate them to starting WR.

 

last year Robert Foster was an obvious elite #1, the second coming of AJG and Julio combined. 

 

Year before that Brandon Reily was the next jordy Nelson.   

 

DaRick Rodgers was going to make the lions forget Calvin Johnson existed. 

 

Im pretty sure there was a heathy group of people that wanted all the other RBs gone for the rugby player. Why- because he made a play in preseason. 

 

Do the math. Zay Jones is the worst WR on the planet according a flock here...  he can’t catch, run routes, get open or run at all... but yet legendary CFL guy is at least three notches lower depth chart. Imagine how much worse he must be that he can’t beat crappy ZJ? 

 

Or are people just saying the entire bills organization is a bunch or morons and don’t realize they have Eric Moulds on the practice squad while they’re starting James Hardy? 

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Edited October 1, 2019 by Over 29 years of fanhood