WATCH to appreciate how money Allen is in critical situations

[transplantbillsfan]

4th Quarter.

 

Down by 3.

 

3 minutes left in the game.

 

Pressure in the situation.

 

Pressure from the DL:

 

 

2 plays later, because of ANOTHER scramble by Allen on a drive where he would account for all but the final yard, Gore punches it in for a 1 yard game winning TD.

Edited September 28, 2019 by transplantbillsfan

[That's No Moon]

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Edited September 28, 2019 by That's No Moon

[Bangarang]

[TAinLack.]

With 3 minutes left this week, I'm hoping for a 2 score lead and Josh Allen handing it to Gore, then kneeling to finish the game.

[HOUSE]

This is why you never leave a Bills game early....

[cd1]

8 minutes ago, HOUSE said:

This is why you never leave a Bills game early....

 

This year we have learned one very important thing - one thing that we Bills fans have not seen in a hell of a long time...

 

We have a team/QB that can come from behind and pull out a WIN! 

[Magox]

7 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

4th Quarter.

 

Down by 3.

 

3 minutes left in the game.

 

Pressure in the situation.

 

Pressure from the DL:

 

 

2 plays later, because of ANOTHER scramble by Allen on a drive where he would account for all but the final yard, Gore punches it in for a 1 yard game winning TD.

 

This actually was a monstrously important play that contributed to the victory.  It pretty much went relatively unnoticed, his sheer will to fight through a clear tackle from a D-linemen who essentially locked up in close quarters combat and to break that tackle, then having an ensuing tackler just behind him after he broke that tackle who had a head start of momentum before Allen could begin getting going to have the acceleration that he did to escape that tackle and then show the outright speed to turn the edge (which isn't shown here) and outrun the defender who had an angle on him to then finish it off with a first run down was simply amazing.

 

Only 2-3 QB's could do that and Lamar isn't one of them. That was pure beastmode strength, the only one that I can think of is Cam Newton.   

 

Without that play, very likely the Bills lose that game.

[Magox]

5 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Great play by Josh to get away and scramble to pick up the first down, but it wouldn't have even got to that point with several other QBs.

 

He had Brown wide open on the left side line, but he seemed to be locked into his first read before the line broke down and he demonstrated the ability to get away from the lineman for a first.... would like to see Josh progress in going through his reads as the year goes on.

 

You may possibly be right, the encouraging thing about Josh is that he seems to be improving on just about all his weaknesses from last year.   My guess is that his progressions will continue to improve the most immediate area that he needs to work on his how he handles the blitz.  He is pretty weak in that area right now, last year he was a little better because his instinct was more singularly focused and he would run and it would punish the blitzers.  This year he is becoming more of a QB, which is having what I believe will be a short-term negative effect because he is looking to make the pass first and isn't making the right initial read and by then it's often too late to then scramble away from the blitz.   Considering what he has shown, my guess is that he'll overcome it.  

 

I said this earlier before training camp, the kid is a gamer.  Not just because of what he has shown on the football field in clutch situations but if you see how he competes whether it's in these outside football competitions such as winning tournaments among other football players in how far he hits the golf ball or champagne uncorking tournament, he always seems to win.  I know that sounds ridiculous but I see it as relevant in the fact that he is a competitor no matter what the sport may be.  That is a quality that big time athletes and winners have, which is to compete and win no matter what you do and that is something that he has.

 

So while you may be right that he could have made an easier play by spotting an open receiver my observation is more of a testament in his will to overcome a very difficult situation and to turn it into a positive that ended up leading to a victory.

[Foxx]

oh look... another transplant Allen thread.

[BADOLBILZ]

 

A good, big QB who is a tremendous scrambler/runner has a big advantage against tired defenses late in games.

 

That's basically how John Elway won so many games for the first 10 years of his career.

 

I've compared Allen to early Elway and he even has a similar receiving corps to what Elway had back then.

 

There were tons of critics of Elway for not putting up big TD or yardage numbers and subsequently NEEDING to come back late in games..............but one thing Elway could usually count on was opposing NFL coaches playing themselves into close games against Denver late and that's when Elway's sheer physical dominance could take over.

 

Things haven't changed all that much with NFL coaches..........most of them still get conservative or lose focus as play callers when they get leads.

 

[billsfan1959]

1 hour ago, ScottLaw said:

Great play by Josh to get away and scramble to pick up the first down, but it wouldn't have even got to that point with several other QBs.

 

He had Brown wide open on the left side line, but he seemed to be locked into his first read before the line broke down and he demonstrated the ability to get away from the lineman for a first.... would like to see Josh progress in going through his reads as the year goes on.

 

Yeah, I'm not sure what happened there. If you watch it, Allen initially looks in the direction of Brown and then starts scanning across the field. He ended up making a great play (and Brown did some good downfield blocking); however, Brown had 8-10 yards of cushion from the DB.

 

Allen had to be looking at Brown (at the top of the screen), because neither of the other two receivers on that side (one running a deep corner and the othe running a 7 yd out) were even close to being in a position to throw to when Allen looked that way.  Maybe a miscommunication? IDK.

 

 

[Big Turk]

2 hours ago, Magox said:

 

This actually was a monstrously important play that contributed to the victory.  It pretty much went relatively unnoticed, his sheer will to fight through a clear tackle from a D-linemen who essentially locked up in close quarters combat and to break that tackle, then having an ensuing tackler just behind him after he broke that tackle who had a head start of momentum before Allen could begin getting going to have the acceleration that he did to escape that tackle and then show the outright speed to turn the edge (which isn't shown here) and outrun the defender who had an angle on him to then finish it off with a first run down was simply amazing.

 

Only 2-3 QB's could do that and Lamar isn't one of them. That was pure beastmode strength, the only one that I can think of is Cam Newton.   

 

Without that play, very likely the Bills lose that game.

Maybe Russ too...he is extremely slippery

[MiltonWaddams]

10 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

Yeah, I'm not sure what happened there. If you watch it, Allen initially looks in the direction of Brown and then starts scanning across the field. He ended up making a great play (and Brown did some good downfield blocking); however, Brown had 8-10 yards of cushion from the DB.

 

Allen had to be looking at Brown (at the top of the screen), because neither of the other two receivers on that side (one running a deep corner and the othe running a 7 yd out) were even close to being in a position to throw to when Allen looked that way.  Maybe a miscommunication? IDK.

 

 

I think that view shows that he is going through his progressions, just didn’t take the first and most obvious one. Might have over- thought it really. That was a major fault of Manuel and one that I hope is not a trend with Josh.

[Chandler#81]

IIRC, it was 3rd & 8ish. Brown likely wasn’t going to reach the sticks out there and is why he was left alone that short. Thus, lil Elway looked for a better option before carrying the team to a 1st Down.

[Stank_Nasty]

26 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

A good, big QB who is a tremendous scrambler/runner has a big advantage against tired defenses late in games.

 

That's basically how John Elway won so many games for the first 10 years of his career.

 

I've compared Allen to early Elway and he even has a similar receiving corps to what Elway had back then.

 

There were tons of critics of Elway for not putting up big TD or yardage numbers and subsequently NEEDING to come back late in games..............but one thing Elway could usually count on was opposing NFL coaches playing themselves into close games against Denver late and that's when Elway's sheer physical dominance could take over.

 

Things haven't changed all that much with NFL coaches..........most of them still get conservative or lose focus as play callers when they get leads.

 

It’s also very similar to how Big Ben won in Pittsburgh his first 4 or 5 years. He had the luxury of an elite d that seemed to always give him the opportunity to use his athletic ability and “clutch” gene late in games when teams were gassed.  Now I would say Ben was a more refined product than what we have but the approach is similar. 

 

In fact I remember always seeing a crazy stat of how awful that Pittsburgh’s record was the first 5 years  of his career when he had to throw 30+ times in a game.... people sorta forget how long it took him to develop into a capable gunslinger. 

Edited September 28, 2019 by Stank_Nasty

[Last Guy on the Bench]

7 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said:

IIRC, it was 3rd & 8ish. Brown likely wasn’t going to reach the sticks out there and is why he was left alone that short. Thus, lil Elway looked for a better option before carrying the team to a 1st Down.

Yeah, I wondered about that. That DB could close pretty quickly while the ball is in the air, and he'd meet Brown well before the sticks. Of course, it still might have made sense to give Brown a shot to shake one guy and make the few extra yards needed, since there was no other defender in the picture. But still, that is not a guaranteed first down at all if the DB comes up and makes a good tackle. Josh wanted more.

[vincec]

Um, holding on Nsekhe?

[BuffaloBillies]

1 minute ago, vincec said:

Um, holding on Nsekhe?

 

No. Just hugging his friend.

[JustWinPlease]

23 minutes ago, vincec said:

Um, holding on Nsekhe?

Definitely...tackles him to the ground. Lol.

[buffalobloodfloridahome]

The most frustrating thing is that the reason we have had to comeback and win is because our offense has been so inconsistent. We have the defense and the offensive potential to blow teams out. We either start slow or get ahead early. We need to see a complete game from the offense to have a chance against the Patriots whose defense in my opinion has inflated stats from playing lesser teams up until this point. Our defense can only bail us out so much. We need to see that game from Allen that makes us go wow that's our Franchise guy, instead of flashes of greatness. If we get ahead we need to keep our foot on the gas and rack up some style points instead of letting teams hang around

[BADOLBILZ]

45 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said:

It’s also very similar to how Big Ben won in Pittsburgh his first 4 or 5 years. He had the luxury of an elite d that seemed to always give him the opportunity to use his athletic ability and “clutch” gene late in games when teams were gassed.  Now I would say Ben was a more refined product than what we have but the approach is similar. 

 

In fact I remember always seeing a crazy stat of how awful that Pittsburgh’s record was the first 5 years  of his career when he had to throw 30+ times in a game.... people sorta forget how long it took him to develop into a capable gunslinger. 

 

 

Yeah Big Ben's scrambling used to kill teams..........and his deep accuracy stands out over Elway/Allen(to this point).    That was the one thing he was great at early..........he was averaging nearly 9 yards per attempt his first couple seasons which is incredible(Mahomes averaged 8.8 last year for comparison).    The signs that Big Ben was going to become a pinball machine yardage accumulator were there.     

 

What Big Ben could never do though was be a threat to carry the football.

 

QB's ran more selectively back in the 80's but late in the game Elway would kill teams breaking contain and running the ball for first downs to extend drives........or he would just pull up short of the LOS and find a wide open receiver............and Allen has operated in a similar fashion in 2019.    Elway also had a penchant for the same kind of hero ball stuff that Allen has shown.    The play where Allen dropped the ball on the turf and then picked it up and scrambled to complete the dangerous short pass to Sweeney was particularly Elway-esque.   At the end of the game the TD/INT stats don't look big but down the stretch Elway used to take over games and Allen has that potential.   And maybe with some bigger downfield targets he could eventually become a numbers guy. 

[Stank_Nasty]

Right. I meant more of the scrambling behind the line aspect with Ben and Josh. The way they shrug off giant humans is something to behold. 

 

And if Knox hands maybe get a bit more sure, we might already have one piece to the larger target puzzle. 

Edited September 28, 2019 by Stank_Nasty

[Not at the table Karlos]

2 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

Great play by Josh to get away and scramble to pick up the first down, but it wouldn't have even got to that point with several other QBs.

 

He had Brown wide open on the left side line, but he seemed to be locked into his first read before the line broke down and he demonstrated the ability to get away from the lineman for a first.... would like to see Josh progress in going through his reads as the year goes on.

A few of his runs late in the game didn’t need to be runs. He had receivers open and just failed to pull the trigger.

 

 They showed a view from the endzone and you could see him look at the wr come open(one play zay was open for td on a comeback, another play Knox was open in endzone and another wr was running open from left to right) he pulls his arm up to throw then stops for some reason and pulls the ball down and ran.

 

He doesn’t seem to trust what he’s seeing. He’s made the plays before. I don’t understand what’s stopping him now. 

[transient]

54 minutes ago, JustWinPlease said:

Definitely...tackles him to the ground. Lol.

 

All that effort to mug the guy and he didn't even bother to steal his wallet...

[yungmack]

1 hour ago, buffalobloodfloridahome said:

The most frustrating thing is that the reason we have had to comeback and win is because our offense has been so inconsistent. We have the defense and the offensive potential to blow teams out. We either start slow or get ahead early. We need to see a complete game from the offense to have a chance against the Patriots whose defense in my opinion has inflated stats from playing lesser teams up until this point. Our defense can only bail us out so much. We need to see that game from Allen that makes us go wow that's our Franchise guy, instead of flashes of greatness. If we get ahead we need to keep our foot on the gas and rack up some style points instead of letting teams hang around

You are correct, but there are as many as 9 new Bills on the field at times, and they have only 3 games together under their belt. Let's see how they are at mid-season.

[Dr.Sack]

Allen has the check down open on the left. That was a soft zone, the CB could have driven on the ball and the WR would have had to come back to make the catch. The down and distance is important there. 

[transplantbillsfan]

4 hours ago, Chandler#81 said:

IIRC, it was 3rd & 8ish. Brown likely wasn’t going to reach the sticks out there and is why he was left alone that short. Thus, lil Elway looked for a better option before carrying the team to a 1st Down.

 

It was 2nd and 4

[Locomark]

I have noticed how often we have converted after having 1st and 15 or 20 after penalties. Those were always recipes for a punt prior to this team. 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

6 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

Great play by Josh to get away and scramble to pick up the first down, but it wouldn't have even got to that point with several other QBs.

 

He had Brown wide open on the left side line, but he seemed to be locked into his first read before the line broke down and he demonstrated the ability to get away from the lineman for a first.... would like to see Josh progress in going through his reads as the year goes on.

Looks like the play was designed to be a corner route to the TE.  That is his primary read despite Brown being so wide open.  Yes he could have just taken the quit out and let Brown try to make a play in a one on one situation.  But that is a play designed to score a TD from that spot on the field.  The defender, probably the SS or OLB can't tell which did a great job of jamming the TE ( I think it is Knox) 3 yards into his pattern and it ruins the timing of the route.  Allen then correctly sees that it is not the best option and starts to bail.  If the RT could sustain the block, Knox might come open late in the route.  

It's a team game.  Good play design by Daboll, sub-par blocking by RT, good play by the defense, great athleticism by Allen.  

6 hours ago, Magox said:

 

This actually was a monstrously important play that contributed to the victory.  It pretty much went relatively unnoticed, his sheer will to fight through a clear tackle from a D-linemen who essentially locked up in close quarters combat and to break that tackle, then having an ensuing tackler just behind him after he broke that tackle who had a head start of momentum before Allen could begin getting going to have the acceleration that he did to escape that tackle and then show the outright speed to turn the edge (which isn't shown here) and outrun the defender who had an angle on him to then finish it off with a first run down was simply amazing.

 

Only 2-3 QB's could do that and Lamar isn't one of them. That was pure beastmode strength, the only one that I can think of is Cam Newton.   

 

Without that play, very likely the Bills lose that game.

Without the terrible INT the Bills are never trailing in the game.  Great comeback - yes.  Amazing improvement in short to intermediate passes.  Regression in his deep ball.  And still turning the ball over way to often.  I'm so impressed with how he is managing the offense.  But turnovers decide games much more so than three and outs.  If over the next 13 weeks he improves on the turnover rate, this team is in the playoffs

[SJDK]

18 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

4th Quarter.

 

Down by 3.

 

3 minutes left in the game.

 

Pressure in the situation.

 

Pressure from the DL:

 

 

2 plays later, because of ANOTHER scramble by Allen on a drive where he would account for all but the final yard, Gore punches it in for a 1 yard game winning TD.

If we ever lose this guy to another team or something.. this is exactly the kind of stuff we will all be posting just to remind each other what we had. Dude is a special talent, these types of things are almost routine and expected. We are in a great spot at QB.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

18 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Sure.

 

However once Allen saw the play wasn't there  to Knox, getting it to Brown would've been the better option.... good result overall, but I hope to see Allen continue to go through his reads better and pull the trigger.

To be fair, the DE was on him by the time he saw Knox was not going to get open. 

It was just a good play by the defense. They guessed correctly to roll the coverage to that side of the field. The only other option is to read presnap that Brown will be open and just make an immediate throw to him. Then he would be one on one with the DB. Might only he a 4 or 5 yard gain vs. a TD opportunity if Knox gets a free release and the safety slides to Brown's side of the field.

 

[Beast]

Wow.

 

We really are lucky Nsekhe didn’t get called for holding on that play. He tackled the Bengals player so he wouldn’t sack Allen.

Edited September 29, 2019 by Binghamton Beast

[Brand J]

5 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

Yep.

 

They barely called offensive holding both ways... that was the case everywhere around the league last week. 

And Tom Brady’s very public voice of displeasure can be thanked for that. Riveron held a meeting with the refs shortly after that Thursday night game and the holding calls were drastically reduced by Sunday. What Brady wants, Brady gets.

 

Matt Chatham had an article in The Athletic highlighting a few of Allen’s scrambles. You guys are correct, he doesn’t need to run because he’s got open receivers when he takes off. His 13 scrambles on the year are second to Lamar Jackson. As the season progresses hopefully we’ll see him run less and hit those open players. He’s still learning.

Edited September 29, 2019 by JayBaller10