plenzmd1 Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 (edited) I have been noticing tons of empty seats in most of the games on TV lately, and when I went in to place my picks this week, here are the walk in prices to some games i was presented with, all non standing room Tenn @ jacksonville $25 Atl@ Colts $28 Raiders@Minn $65 Bears@Skins $38 But thee kicker is the Arizona Home game vs the Panthers Not a seat in the upper bowl ABOVE $16!!!!!! I know they always talk about Buffalo not being an NFL size city with enough corps to buy Clubs and Luxury Boxes, but at some point doesn't a full house paying face make up for those revenues? And look way better on TV..thus driving ratings? BTW, last week the Bills had at least 6K seats still available it looked like on Ticketmaster, only some stragglers left now. Edited September 19, 2019 by plenzmd1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShipUPride Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 I've actually been wondering the same thing. Week one, Jets/Bills, the stadium seemed half empty in the third quarter with the game still in reach. I wonder if the tipping point has happened and more people prefer to stay at home. Concessions and comfort are better at home. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 6 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: I have been noticing tons of empty seats in most of the games on TV lately, and when went in to place my picks this week, here are the walk prices to games i was presented for games this weekend..all non- standing room Tenn @ jacksonville $25 Atl@ Colts $28 Raiders@Minn $65 Bears@Skins $38 Tenn @ jacksonville $25 w/o Foles .... they have a suspect D thus far Atl@ Colts $28 No Andy Luck Raiders@Minn $65 probably a far corner seat Bears@Skins $38 the Deadskins have been selling less and less to the locals as the years pass by. their 6 year wait list somehow became non existent in the last 2 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted September 19, 2019 Author Share Posted September 19, 2019 1 minute ago, ShipUPride said: I've actually been wondering the same thing. Week one, Jets/Bills, the stadium seemed half empty in the third quarter with the game still in reach. I wonder if the tipping point has happened and more people prefer to stay at home. Concessions and comfort are better at home. start of 3rd is always empty in every stadium, so i always look at the stands middle of 3rd..and most games they empty still!!!! Cardinals, exciting as all hell rookie, played a really good road game last week, prolly get a win this week and be right in it...walk in for $13!!!!!!!!!!! Wholy moley! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaoulDuke79 Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 Wow.....parking costs more than admittance to some of these games. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 (edited) New generation kids prefer to stay at home, vape and cut their wrists Edited September 19, 2019 by CaptnCoke11 3 12 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 The concept that the NFL and football popularity will increase forever maybe be coming to an end. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 (edited) TV networks cover the real costs. Gate receipts are like pin money for the owners. If those are secondary market prices, it doesn't matter. The team already got face value. MLB has gotten to the point where it doesn't matter if anyone shows up to the games--but that's because each team has their own networks (for the most part). Edited September 19, 2019 by Mr. WEO 4 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted September 19, 2019 Author Share Posted September 19, 2019 (edited) enn @ jacksonville $25 w/o Foles .... they have a suspect D thus far (Minshew was awesome last week, win tonight they right back in it) Atl@ Colts $28 No Andy Luck ( Brisset is freaking good, beat Chargers on road, very good team) Raiders@Minn $65 probably a far corner seat ( still, huge city and should be a win) Bears@Skins $38 the Deadskins have been selling less and less to the locals as the years pass by. their 6 year wait list somehow became non existent in the last 2 years Agree on the skins, unbelievable what has happened there. Long story, few years ago my company wanted to spend huge money on a Monday night Skins-Cowboys game to entertain clients, i said no C level folks are going out there on a Monday night unless you helicopter them in and out..they would not listen to me, we spent like $35K to entertain 4 people. Wonder if they regret lifting the blackout rule or if the revenues from higher TV ratings is more than the lost ticket revenue Edited September 19, 2019 by plenzmd1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seasons1992 Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 5 minutes ago, RaoulDuke79 said: Wow.....parking costs more than admittance to some of these games. Yeah but $35 at Hammer's Lot and you get to hang out with @mead107? Well worth the price of the free stromboli. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 5 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said: The concept that the NFL and football popularity will increase forever maybe be coming to an end. I made a comment along these lines yesterday. Everything moves in cycles and the phenomenal success enjoyed by the NFL won't stay that way forever. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Day 10 Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 There is a parity issue in the NFL, even with the cap and draft order set-up. A lot of games are perceived as unimportant. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 6 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: TV networks cover the real costs. Gate receipts are like pin money for the owners. If those are secondary market prices, it doesn't matter. The team already got face value. MLB has gotten to the point where it doesn't matter if anyone shows up to the games--but that's because each team has their own networks (for the most part). Yeah. I actually think the biggest problem with the shift to fans not attending games is purely visual. Empty seats can make a game feel alot less interesting to watch on TV/streaming/whatever. Other than that, I'm pretty sure it has little impact on the bottom line. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stosh64 Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 All the rule changes trying to turn the NFL into a risk free sport, let alone the horrendous officiating. It wasn't broke yet the NFL PTB feel the need to 'fix' it a little every year. Replay reviews have taken over the game. Bowing to the 'woke' crowd despite most of them not being NFL fans in the first place. Similar circumstances have killed NASCAR, look at the attendance there. I hope that isn't the future of the NFL. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Day 10 Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 3 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: I made a comment along these lines yesterday. Everything moves in cycles and the phenomenal success enjoyed by the NFL won't stay that way forever. It wont. But I dont think these trends are alarming. It is not a gate-driven league. Its all about media distribution and fantasy/gambling, and the NFL is an absolute monster and growing. If they can get traction internationally, that would be another new level. With that said, some day it will go the way of boxing, horseracing (and before long baseball). I feel like the NBA will emerge within 20 years as the new monster. Low concussion risk, lots playing, international footprint, lots of star power, can be exciting, etc. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillnutinHouston Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 Checked out the Bills @ Steelers game in Ticketmaster a few days ago and there were tons of seats available, scattered evenly around the stadium. Not sure if that was before or after Big Ben went down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 4 minutes ago, stosh64 said: All the rule changes trying to turn the NFL into a risk free sport, let alone the horrendous officiating. It wasn't broke yet the NFL PTB feel the need to 'fix' it a little every year. Replay reviews have taken over the game. Bowing to the 'woke' crowd despite most of them not being NFL fans in the first place. Similar circumstances have killed NASCAR, look at the attendance there. I hope that isn't the future of the NFL. I thought it was because all the dishes blew off the tops of hillbillies' trailer homes. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 29 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: I have been noticing tons of empty seats in most of the games on TV lately, and when I went in to place my picks this week, here are the walk in prices to some games i was presented with, all non standing room Tenn @ jacksonville $25 Atl@ Colts $28 Raiders@Minn $65 Bears@Skins $38 But thee kicker is the Arizona Home game vs the Panthers Not a seat in the upper bowl ABOVE $16!!!!!! I know they always talk about Buffalo not being an NFL size city with enough corps to buy Clubs and Luxury Boxes, but at some point doesn't a full house paying face make up for those revenues? And look way better on TV..thus driving ratings? BTW, last week the Bills had at least 6K seats still available it looked like on Ticketmaster, only some stragglers left now. Prices dropped since the large percentage which needs to go to ticket agencies and sellers know they are going to have to eat it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, May Day 10 said: It wont. But I dont think these trends are alarming. It is not a gate-driven league. Its all about media distribution and fantasy/gambling, and the NFL is an absolute monster and growing. If they can get traction internationally, that would be another new level. With that said, some day it will go the way of boxing, horseracing (and before long baseball). I feel like the NBA will emerge within 20 years as the new monster. Low concussion risk, lots playing, international footprint, lots of star power, can be exciting, etc. It's not a gate revenue driven league, but NFL success is ultimately driven by demand, like all service based industries. If demand shrinks low enough over time, other revenue streams (not talking about ticket sales) will be affected as well. There is a reason, for example, the TV networks pay so much $ to televise the games...b/c they know the end consumer will watch in great numbers and they can make that $ back in advertising. If the viewership drops, the ads will too, and away goes the TV network revenue stream. Now--if we are talking about gambling revenue with no concern for a loss in "sporting entertainment" revenue, that's a different story, but that would surely impact revenues negatively. I.E., these teams are not going to want to turn into something only gamblers enjoy; they are going to want to remain a sports entertainment business PLUS the gambling aspect. Around the time of WWII no one in this country knew what NFL football was or cared about it. It was all Baseball, baseball, and more baseball. Things change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 4 minutes ago, BillnutinHouston said: Checked out the Bills @ Steelers game in Ticketmaster a few days ago and there were tons of seats available, scattered evenly around the stadium. Not sure if that was before or after Big Ben went down. Lowest price for Bills @ Steelers currently is $66 in top level corner. Not too much movement but most of the seats for sale are on Steelers side, lower level implying the fans not expect to be in contention in December. There are also a lot of "Verified Ticket from Steelers". I am guessing season ticket sales were not that good this year for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: I made a comment along these lines yesterday. Everything moves in cycles and the phenomenal success enjoyed by the NFL won't stay that way forever. Yeah it certainly does, football is not exempt from the laws of human nature and cycles. For decades few could imagine any sport more popular than Baseball in America, l In the thirties the three big sports were Baseball, Boxing and Horse Racing. Baseball right now is #2, Boxing #6 and horse racing not in the top 20...ultimate Frisbee is more popular than horse racing now.. 23 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: I made a comment along these lines yesterday. Everything moves in cycles and the phenomenal success enjoyed by the NFL won't stay that way forever. Edited September 19, 2019 by RoyBatty is alive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ned Flanders Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 Other than Minnesota, those are all pretty soft NFL markets. But the TV product is just so damn good these days, especially if you're a fantasy guy, which I'm not. Redzone, HD, convenience to home amenities...going to a live sporting event today is just not worth it. Baseball is hemorrhaging worse than the NFL.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 Just now, RoyBatty is alive said: Yeah it certainly does, football is not exempt from the laws of human nature and cycles. For decades few could imagine any sport more popular than Baseball in America, l In the thirties the three big sports were Baseball, Boxing and Horse Racing. Baseball right now is #2, Boxing #6 and horse racing not in the top 20...ultimate Frisbee is more popular than horse racing now.. Yeah it certainly does, football is not exempt from the laws of human nature and cycles. For decades few could imagine any sport more popular than Baseball in America, l In the thirties the three big sports were Baseball, Boxing and Horse Racing. Baseball right now is #2, Boxing #6 and horse racing not in the top 20...ultimate Frisbee is more popular than horse racing now.. LOL. See my post about baseball being "The Sport" in America around the time of WWII. I see we are of a similar mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: I made a comment along these lines yesterday. Everything moves in cycles and the phenomenal success enjoyed by the NFL won't stay that way forever. Edited September 19, 2019 by RoyBatty is alive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 Just now, Ned Flanders said: Other than Minnesota, those are all pretty soft NFL markets. But the TV product is just so damn good these days, especially if you're a fantasy guy, which I'm not. Redzone, HD, convenience to home amenities...going to a live sporting event today is just not worth it. Baseball is hemorrhaging worse than the NFL.. If sports as we know them are going to morph into some sort of new entertainment product, where the consumer mostly watches via remote technology and not live at the game itself, well then....maybe we should stop building multi billionaire dollar sporting palaces for hosting football games. There's only so much you can do with those things beyond playing football. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ned Flanders Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 22 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: Everything moves in cycles and the phenomenal success enjoyed by the NFL won't stay that way forever. Wait until live betting becomes commonplace...NFL popularity will continue to grow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 1 minute ago, Nextmanup said: If sports as we know them are going to morph into some sort of new entertainment product, where the consumer mostly watches via remote technology and not live at the game itself, well then....maybe we should stop building multi billionaire dollar sporting palaces for hosting football games. There's only so much you can do with those things beyond playing football. Excellent observation. End up like dormant like shopping malls and other retail outlets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 23 minutes ago, CaptnCoke11 said: New generation kids prefer to stay at home, vape and cut their wrists Funny! (PLEASE tell me it’s not true!) 70” 4k’s, all the booze & food you can consume, friends & family gathering on Sunday afternoons, free parking, smoking available on the patio, head calls are taken care of during a “30 second time out” & zero weather concerns all contribute. Many southern teams struggle to fill the stands every year. Here in Jax, FL, Heat Exhaustion is a major issue every game. Miami & Tampa as well. When the teams aren’t good (see Standings), people don’t go. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 (edited) PSL's have a lot to do with this. People forked over money for the right to buy season tickets for 20 plus years but many bought these seats as a investment with the intention of resale. Now there is a bunch of tickets bought but not being resold to fans NFL already pocketed the money, but all those empty seats are definitely an embarrassment for a league supposedly worth $9 billion... I thnk the whole concept of PSL's was whacked to begin with... this is the result IMO Edited September 19, 2019 by ddaryl 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said: Funny! (PLEASE tell me it’s not true!) 70” 4k’s, all the booze & food you can consume, friends & family gathering on Sunday afternoons, free parking, smoking available on the patio, head calls are taken care of during a “30 second time out” & zero weather concerns all contribute. Many southern teams struggle to fill the stands every year. Here in Jax, FL, Heat Exhaustion is a major issue every game. Miami & Tampa as well. When the teams aren’t good (see Standings), people don’t go. Surprised most Southern teams are not domes and used for hurricane season emergency shelters since mostly paid for by taxes. Just now, ddaryl said: PSL's have a lot to do with this. People forked over money for the right to buy season tickets for 20 plus years but many they bought these seats as a investment with the intention of resale. Now there is a bunch of tickets bought but not being resold to fans NFL already pocketed the money, but all those empty seats are definitely an embarrassment for a league supposedly worth $9 billion... I thnk the whole concept of PSL's was whacked to begin with... this is the result IMO PSLs are paid and now NFL trying to make owners of tickets to pay even more to sell forcing them to use approved vendors. NFL tickets has become like timeshares now with rules changed after sales. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 38 minutes ago, CaptnCoke11 said: New generation kids prefer to stay at home, vape and cut their wrists This statement is more true than you think. UCLA can't even get students to come to the Rose Bowl anymore. Unless you offer free wifi and electronics.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Hooks Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 A buddy of mine at work is a 9ers fan and went to the Bengals game. He showed me pictures of all the empty seats at that start of the game. It was their home opener! By halftime there were more open seats than occupied. Ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 5 minutes ago, Limeaid said: Surprised most Southern teams are not domes and used for hurricane season emergency shelters since mostly paid for by taxes. PSLs are paid and now NFL trying to make owners of tickets to pay even more to sell forcing them to use approved vendors. NFL tickets has become like timeshares now with rules changed after sales. Yeah that will only continue to drive down the resale values.. Yes the NFL has trapped a lot of fans with PSL's. I thought it was a fools move when I 1st read about these things, now we can see how ridiculous they are. Time Shares, Condo minium or Mobile Home park fees are always rising..... I really feel the NFL is going to regress regarding revenue trend in the near future Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 NFL will only care if it effects ratings. Then they’ll have the cameras only show the field and pipe in crowd noise for TV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 The ratings are higher than ever. Please don't kid yourselves. FYI, you can get Bills tickets for $31 for every home game this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebert19 Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 3 words. Fair. Weather. Fans. Team sucks they don't show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 25 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said: Funny! (PLEASE tell me it’s not true!) 70” 4k’s, all the booze & food you can consume, friends & family gathering on Sunday afternoons, free parking, smoking available on the patio, head calls are taken care of during a “30 second time out” & zero weather concerns all contribute. Many southern teams struggle to fill the stands every year. Here in Jax, FL, Heat Exhaustion is a major issue every game. Miami & Tampa as well. When the teams aren’t good (see Standings), people don’t go. You are right and it also happens in college. I think that it was 103 degrees on the field at Alabama for their second game this year. They had quite a few empty seats, and I know that I would have walked right the #^*k out even if I paid top dollar for tickets. Years ago I was at a Bills game when it was in the high 80's. It was awful. Baking in the sun isn't for everyone, ya know? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MassHog Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 It's been a long time since I've seen a ticket cost under $30 to a bills game. Even the shittiest seats cost more than that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwight in philly Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 25 minutes ago, Limeaid said: Surprised most Southern teams are not domes and used for hurricane season emergency shelters since mostly paid for by taxes. PSLs are paid and now NFL trying to make owners of tickets to pay even more to sell forcing them to use approved vendors. NFL tickets has become like timeshares now with rules changed after sales. I think this plays into the fact that the Bills should stay put.. renovate as needed.. its the atomosphere that will bring fans to the game. IMHO , the crowd noise, outdoors, just enjoying the element of NFL football without the bells, whistles, suites etc. is what will ultimately bring the fans to the games.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boater Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 1 hour ago, CaptnCoke11 said: New generation kids prefer to stay at home, vape and cut their wrists Whilst they ponder what gender they are. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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