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22 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

Everything moves in cycles and the phenomenal success enjoyed by the NFL won't stay that way forever.

Wait until live betting becomes commonplace...NFL popularity will continue to grow.

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1 minute ago, Nextmanup said:

If sports as we know them are going to morph into some sort of new entertainment product, where the consumer mostly watches via remote technology and not live at the game itself, well then....maybe we should stop building multi billionaire dollar sporting palaces for hosting football games.

 

There's only so much you can do with those things beyond playing football.  

 

 

Excellent observation.  End up like dormant like shopping malls and other retail outlets.

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23 minutes ago, CaptnCoke11 said:

New generation kids prefer to stay at home, vape and cut their wrists 

Funny! (PLEASE tell me it’s not true!)

 

70” 4k’s, all the booze & food you can consume, friends & family gathering on Sunday afternoons, free parking, smoking available on the patio, head calls are taken care of during a “30 second time out” & zero weather concerns all contribute. Many southern teams struggle to fill the stands every year. Here in Jax, FL, Heat Exhaustion is a major issue every game. Miami & Tampa as well. When the teams aren’t good (see Standings), people don’t go.

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PSL's have a lot to do with this. People forked over money for the right to buy season tickets for 20 plus years but many bought these seats as a investment with the intention of resale. Now there is a bunch of tickets bought but not being resold to fans

 

NFL already pocketed the money, but all those empty seats are definitely an embarrassment for a league supposedly worth $9 billion... I thnk the whole concept of PSL's was whacked to begin with... this is the result IMO

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2 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said:

Funny! (PLEASE tell me it’s not true!)

 

70” 4k’s, all the booze & food you can consume, friends & family gathering on Sunday afternoons, free parking, smoking available on the patio, head calls are taken care of during a “30 second time out” & zero weather concerns all contribute. Many southern teams struggle to fill the stands every year. Here in Jax, FL, Heat Exhaustion is a major issue every game. Miami & Tampa as well. When the teams aren’t good (see Standings), people don’t go.

 

Surprised most Southern teams are not domes and used for hurricane season emergency shelters since mostly paid for by taxes.

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PSL's have a lot to do with this. People forked over money for the right to buy season tickets for 20 plus years but many they bought these seats as a investment with the intention of resale. Now there is a bunch of tickets bought but not being resold to fans

 

NFL already pocketed the money, but all those empty seats are definitely an embarrassment for a league supposedly worth $9 billion... I thnk the whole concept of PSL's was whacked to begin with... this is the result IMO

 

PSLs are paid and now NFL trying to make owners of tickets to pay even more to sell forcing them to use approved vendors.

 

NFL tickets has become like timeshares now with rules changed after sales.

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38 minutes ago, CaptnCoke11 said:

New generation kids prefer to stay at home, vape and cut their wrists 

This statement is more true than you think. UCLA can't even get students to come to the Rose Bowl anymore. Unless you offer free wifi and electronics....

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A buddy of mine at work is a 9ers fan and went to the Bengals game. He showed me pictures of all the empty seats at that start of the game. It was their home opener! 

 

By halftime there were more open seats than occupied. Ridiculous. 

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5 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

 

Surprised most Southern teams are not domes and used for hurricane season emergency shelters since mostly paid for by taxes.

 

PSLs are paid and now NFL trying to make owners of tickets to pay even more to sell forcing them to use approved vendors.

 

NFL tickets has become like timeshares now with rules changed after sales.

 

 

Yeah that will only continue to drive down the resale values.. Yes the NFL has trapped a lot of fans with PSL's. I thought it was a fools move when I 1st read about these things, now we can see how ridiculous they are. Time Shares, Condo minium or Mobile Home park fees are always rising.....  

 

I really feel the NFL is going to regress regarding revenue trend in the near future

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The ratings are higher than ever.  Please don't kid yourselves.  FYI, you can get Bills tickets for $31 for every home game this year.  

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25 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said:

Funny! (PLEASE tell me it’s not true!)

 

70” 4k’s, all the booze & food you can consume, friends & family gathering on Sunday afternoons, free parking, smoking available on the patio, head calls are taken care of during a “30 second time out” & zero weather concerns all contribute. Many southern teams struggle to fill the stands every year. Here in Jax, FL, Heat Exhaustion is a major issue every game. Miami & Tampa as well. When the teams aren’t good (see Standings), people don’t go.

You are right and it also happens in college. I think that it was 103 degrees on the field at Alabama for their second game this year. They had quite a few empty seats, and I know that I would have walked right the #^*k out even if I paid top dollar for tickets.

 

Years ago I was at a Bills game when it was in the high 80's. It was awful. Baking in the sun isn't for everyone, ya know?

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It's been a long time since I've seen a ticket cost under $30 to a bills game. Even the shittiest seats cost more than that

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25 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

 

Surprised most Southern teams are not domes and used for hurricane season emergency shelters since mostly paid for by taxes.

 

PSLs are paid and now NFL trying to make owners of tickets to pay even more to sell forcing them to use approved vendors.

 

NFL tickets has become like timeshares now with rules changed after sales.

I think this plays into the fact that the Bills should stay put.. renovate as needed.. its the atomosphere that will bring fans to the game. IMHO , the crowd noise, outdoors, just enjoying the element of NFL football without the bells, whistles, suites etc. is what will ultimately bring the fans to the games..  

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1 hour ago, CaptnCoke11 said:

New generation kids prefer to stay at home, vape and cut their wrists 

Whilst they ponder what gender they are.

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1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said:

TV networks cover the real costs.  Gate receipts are like pin money for the owners.  If those are secondary market prices, it doesn't matter.  The team already got face value.

 

MLB has gotten to the point where it doesn't matter if anyone shows up to the games--but that's because each team has their own networks (for the most part).

Why does this need to be explained again and again and....?

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48 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

If sports as we know them are going to morph into some sort of new entertainment product, where the consumer mostly watches via remote technology and not live at the game itself, well then....maybe we should stop building multi billionaire dollar sporting palaces for hosting football games.

 

There's only so much you can do with those things beyond playing football.  

 

 

But that's the problem, the teams need the new billion dollar stadiums to get people to the games. The idea now is that you don't have to go to the stadium to just watch the game, they have other things to do along with areas for you to socialize while the game is on and your out with your friends. The stadium is now also an area to spend time at after the game with restaurants and bars. They don't want the places anymore where you go to the game, and once it's over you hop back on a train or in your car and go home.

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TV money has ruined the game day experience. More time is spent selling consumer goods than actually playing ball. 

19 minutes ago, dwight in philly said:

I think this plays into the fact that the Bills should stay put.. renovate as needed.. its the atomosphere that will bring fans to the game. IMHO , the crowd noise, outdoors, just enjoying the element of NFL football without the bells, whistles, suites etc. is what will ultimately bring the fans to the games..  

Winning brings fans to games. 

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I have friends who are PSL holders with a couple other NFL teams.  2+ years ago they had no trouble reselling their game tickets for a reasonable profit if they could not attend. Not sure of the exact reason, but they are having a tough time reselling their tix these days for anything above face value.  Often times they are selling below face.    People just aren't as into going anymore.  Places like Green Bay and Buffalo stay steady because for 8 times a year it's the BIG event in town.  In the big cities, it's not that big a deal.  

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As a 70's teen, I thought by 2019, Rollerball and Death Race be the top sports in the world.

.....sort of a bummer.

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2 minutes ago, zow2 said:

I have friends who are PSL holders with a couple other NFL teams.  2+ years ago they had no trouble reselling their game tickets for a reasonable profit if they could not attend. Not sure of the exact reason, but they are having a tough time reselling their tix these days for anything above face value.  Often times they are selling below face.    People just aren't as into going anymore.  Places like Green Bay and Buffalo stay steady because for 8 times a year it's the BIG event in town.  In the big cities, it's not that big a deal.  

It depends on the market.  Football has never been important in Miami, for example, but it is a huge deal in the metro DC area where many are passionate about the Redskins. 

 

NY and Chicago are big cities.  The Jets, Giants, and Bears have passionate fan bases.


LA?   Not so much.

 

It depends.

 

 

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Do not underestimate the impact of the anthem protests two years ago, the Antonio Brown drama and others, and the fact millennials are really not pure football fans. Certain cities such as Green Bay and Buffalo view teams as tradition, part of culture, family, growing up, through generations; how long that holds up I have no idea. But the NFL owners and players better start paying attention to the empty seats and come up with the right answer then address as needed.

 

I have friends across the country that spend big money on college but will not turn the NFL on; why?

4 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

It depends on the market.  Football has never been important in Miami, for example, but it is a huge deal in the metro DC area where many are passionate about the Redskins. 

 

NY and Chicago are big cities.  The Jets, Giants, and Bears have passionate fan bases.


LA?   Not so much.

 

It depends.

 

 

In 1984 I attended Rams and Falcons at the LA collesium  with Eric Dickerson in his prime; lots of empty seats and those in attendance appeared bored.

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5 minutes ago, vorpma said:

Do not underestimate the impact of the anthem protests two years ago, the Antonio Brown drama and others, and the fact millennials are really not pure football fans. Certain cities such as Green Bay and Buffalo view teams as tradition, part of culture, family, growing up, through generations; how long that holds up I have no idea. But the NFL owners and players better start paying attention to the empty seats and come up with the right answer then address as needed.

 

I have friends across the country that spend big money on college but will not turn the NFL on; why?

In 1984 I attended Rams and Falcons at the LA collesium  with Eric Dickerson in his prime; lots of empty seats and those in attendance appeared bored.

LA and NFL have never gone together.  

 

Needless to say, the only reason the NFL is always trying to make football work in that area is the raw size of the market and revenue.  Or lost revenue, when a team isn't there.

 

 

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20 minutes ago, iinii said:

TV money has ruined the game day experience. More time is spent selling consumer goods than actually playing ball. 

Winning brings fans to games. 

In most cases it does.. but look at  LA . its a different breed of cat i know.. but last sunday's Rams-Saints  game..very surprising amount of empty seats.. i know the Coliseum is huge.. but so is the LA market.. 

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7 minutes ago, vorpma said:

I have friends across the country that spend big money on college but will not turn the NFL on; why?

 

 

As you say, it's all about the local culture of a geographic area.

 

Let's say the NFL expanded and put a franchise in Birmingham, Alabama.  Huge football culture, right?

 

I think some fans would embrace the new team and think its cool they now have a ticket to the NFL party, but there is no way in hell the Birmingham NFL team would replace the absolute RELIGION that Auburn and 'Bama football is in that state.  

 

No way!  It's just not the culture of that part of the country to care about the NFL; they love their college football.

 

 

 

 

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