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2 hours ago, plenzmd1 said:

I have been noticing tons of empty seats in most of the games on TV lately, and when I went in to place my picks this week,  here are the walk in prices to some  games  i was presented  with, all non standing room

 

Tenn @ jacksonville  $25 

Atl@ Colts                   $28

Raiders@Minn            $65

Bears@Skins              $38

 

But thee kicker is the Arizona Home game vs the Panthers

 

Not a seat in the upper bowl ABOVE $16!!!!!!

 

I know they always talk about Buffalo not being an NFL size city with enough corps to buy Clubs and Luxury Boxes, but at some point doesn't a full house paying face make up for those revenues? And look way better on TV..thus driving ratings?

 

BTW, last week the Bills had at least 6K seats still available it looked like on Ticketmaster, only some stragglers left now.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The cheap seats just ice the cake.  TV revenues aside from the money generated by the stadiums, start with luxury boxes and these new seat licensing price structures, then of course you have astronomical vendor margins.  

 

The empty cheap seats don’t cause too much loss and the empty premium seating was probably purchased even if no one is sitting there. 

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It's too damn expensive for people to go if the on-field product isn't really good. Bills games are probably still the cheapest in the NFL.

 

I live in the Chicago area, and even though I don't care about the Bears, we go to an occasional game. To take my wife & 2 kids, it's about $600, even for upper deck seats, and that's without beers. I could drive to Buffalo for the weekend, get a hotel, & see the Bills play for about the same. I had a chance to go the Bears/Bills preseason game last year (week 4) for half of face value, $125 tickets. After parking & food/drinks, it would've been $400 to see a final preseason game with all scrubs playing, from the upper deck. F that. 

 

 

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2 hours ago, Seasons1992 said:

 

Yeah but $35 at Hammer's Lot and you get to hang out with @mead107? Well worth the price of the free stromboli.

 

 

This year @mead107 is expecting to be paid in Meadcoin for the Stromboli 

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56 minutes ago, vorpma said:

Do not underestimate the impact of the anthem protests two years ago, the Antonio Brown drama and others, and the fact millennials are really not pure football fans. Certain cities such as Green Bay and Buffalo view teams as tradition, part of culture, family, growing up, through generations; how long that holds up I have no idea. But the NFL owners and players better start paying attention to the empty seats and come up with the right answer then address as needed.

 

I have friends across the country that spend big money on college but will not turn the NFL on; why?

In 1984 I attended Rams and Falcons at the LA collesium  with Eric Dickerson in his prime; lots of empty seats and those in attendance appeared bored.

I strongly agree. I have lots of friends who refuse to even watch the NFL on TV.

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5 minutes ago, BuffaloBill said:

 

 

This year @mead107 is expecting to be paid in Meadcoin for the Stromboli 

 

or  bottle of  wine

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Teams are pricing the fans out of the stadiums. Plus the view is much better at home, just not the atmosphere though.

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2 hours ago, stosh64 said:

All the rule changes trying to turn the NFL into a risk free sport, let alone the horrendous officiating.

It wasn't broke yet the NFL PTB feel the need to 'fix' it a little every year.  

Replay reviews have taken over the game.

Bowing to the 'woke' crowd despite most of them not being NFL fans in the first place.

 

Similar circumstances have killed NASCAR, look at the attendance there.

 

I hope that isn't the future of the NFL.

         I don't pay attention to NASCAR, so I have to ask, is their crowd starting to "age out."

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Maybe this is why the Pegulas are playing the delay of game thing concerning a new stadium.  Sure, there have been think tanks, studies done, etc. etc, but no actual action towards a new stadium. Hmmm🧐

 

Go Bills!!!

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My guess is that everyone has spent so much on Sunday Ticket that they can no longer afford an actual ticket! :lol:

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2 hours ago, May Day 10 said:

There is a parity issue in the NFL, even with the cap and draft order set-up.  A lot of games are perceived as unimportant.

 

A lot of TEAMS are perceived as unimportant. 

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The high cost of cable , satellite ,  looks good now on HDTV  

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33 minutes ago, thronethinker said:

Teams are pricing the fans out of the stadiums. Plus the view is much better at home, just not the atmosphere though.

Depends..

 

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2 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

This statement is more true than you think. UCLA can't even get students to come to the Rose Bowl anymore. Unless you offer free wifi and electronics....

Do the students even know what their team is called the Bruins?

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3 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

I made a comment along these lines yesterday.  Everything moves in cycles and the phenomenal success enjoyed by the NFL won't stay that way forever.

 

 

 

Is the NFL actually losing steam, or are people just leaning more towards viewing from the comfort of their couch on their giant HD TV’s? The couch involves no traffic, no parking costs or hassles, perfect weather, your own food and drink at grocery store prices and a readily accessible and hopefully clean bathroom, plus all the other obvious advantages. 

 

I’m not saying that’s the entire reason, I’m just wondering what’s driving this and that has to be one factor. When I was younger you only got the game they gave you and you watched it on your crappy little TV. Very different times, but maybe not worse for the NFL....just different?  

 

I think there is a very good reason stadiums tend to be getting smaller. 

 

 

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2 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

This statement is more true than you think. UCLA can't even get students to come to the Rose Bowl anymore. Unless you offer free wifi and electronics....

 

I’ve not been to a game in Gainesville, but friends tell me they have a hard time getting and keeping students at Univ of Florida home games. Poor cell reception is said to be the leading cause. 

55 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

I strongly agree. I have lots of friends who refuse to even watch the NFL on TV.

 

I have a friend who hasn’t watched an NFL game since the strike back in the 80’s. These things hurt them long-term, and they know that! 

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18 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said:

Depends..

 

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Can I get a #12 and a beer to go, please?  😋

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30 minutes ago, Greybeard said:

         I don't pay attention to NASCAR, so I have to ask, is their crowd starting to "age out."

IMO, that is a big part of it.  However,

the older fans have stopped watching in droves due to all the 'fixes' and 'improvements'.

Trying to make it 'fair' by making all cars clones of each other, changing the rules to appeal to a younger audience (stage racing and new chase for the cup playoffs).

 

Nascar was great in the 80's and 90's, then they tried to improve something that did not need improving and fix something that wasn't broken.

 

While trying to get new young fans interested is a BIG problem, it would be much easier to get them interested if nascar didn't totally ruin a great thing thus driving away their base of fans.

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2 hours ago, iinii said:

Why does this need to be explained again and again and....?

 

I think it needs another thread!

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38 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said:

Depends..

 

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Fix this as we would want it to be all inclusive for those who may have slightly different tastes. 

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More people having better TVs at home. Computers at their side with all their fantasy updates to the minute. Sitting on the couch in their underwear all day. 

 

The only thing is, if that were true, the tv ratings would increase significantly over the last few years and it’s just not overall. 

 

Id dare say that society as a whole is turning itself off of football due to the fact that parents are starting to see the health risks to it. 

 

In that same breath, I’d bet that Baseball ratings and attendance are up over the last few years. As is Basketball. 

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4 hours ago, Ned Flanders said:

But the TV product is just so damn good these days, especially if you're a fantasy guy, which I'm not.  Redzone, HD, convenience to home amenities...going to a live sporting event today is just not worth it.  Baseball is hemorrhaging worse than the NFL.. 

 

I'm going to disagree on the TV product being damn good.  Technically and variety, yes, but entertainment not so much.

 

The instant replay reviews and the refs standing around trying to figure out what the rules are is making it almost unwatchable.  There was always too  much lag time with all the time outs.   But now it's ridiculous.

 

Thank goodness I have TIVO and can fast forward through all that.

 

College football is even worse.

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Teams make their money from TV. The stadiums could be empty and they'd still be making billions.

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Empty stadiums is horrible for league image (in my opinion). They need to lower the costs of parking and concessions if they want an electric atmosphere on TV. I simply won’t watch other team’s games if there is no atmosphere of importance in the stadium.

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They need to bring back the blackout rule. If you want to see your team play, watch them at the stadium. 

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4 hours ago, stosh64 said:

IMO, that is a big part of it.  However,

the older fans have stopped watching in droves due to all the 'fixes' and 'improvements'.

Trying to make it 'fair' by making all cars clones of each other, changing the rules to appeal to a younger audience (stage racing and new chase for the cup playoffs).

 

Nascar was great in the 80's and 90's, then they tried to improve something that did not need improving and fix something that wasn't broken.

 

While trying to get new young fans interested is a BIG problem, it would be much easier to get them interested if nascar didn't totally ruin a great thing thus driving away their base of fans.

NASCAR has been sinking since Earnhardt was killed at Daytona. He was the biggest draw and most popular/hated driver. NASCAR never got another driver with that type of draw. 

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