Daniel Jones - new starting QB for the Giants

[eball]

2 minutes ago, BillsVet said:

 

 

Are you going to brag about yourself in every thread?  Who cares?  You get one or two right and you've had a thousand wrong. 

 

Wake up on the wrong side of the cave this morning?  Lighten up.

[MAJBobby]

48 minutes ago, KingBoots8 said:

Per ESPN, Dan is getting the start week 3

 

Until Mara gets involved.  Remember the last coach to Bench Eli was Fired.

[gonzo1105]

8 minutes ago, mannc said:

I don't know if Eli has a no-trade clause in his contract, but I'm pretty sure he'd retire before he goes to the Jets to play a game or two and then back up Sam Darnold, or Pittsburgh to sit behind Mason Rudolph.  Same with him going to Green Bay or Chicago to back up Rogers or Trubisky.

 

I understand where your coming from but let’s say Rudolph craps the bed the next couple weeks, the Steelers lose 3 in a row to start 0-5. They aren’t placing that call esp now after giving up their 1st round pick for Minkah? Jacksonville has a pretty wide open division to possibly win. 

 

I just brought up the Jets because he can play 3-4 games stay in NY and not move his house or family etc while still getting a chance to recuperate any value he still has

Edited September 17, 2019 by gonzo1105

[Say When...]

Thank you for everything Eli...

 

[BillsVet]

Just now, eball said:

Wake up on the wrong side of the cave this morning?  Lighten up.

 

Dude, I already take you very lightly. 

[mannc]

1 minute ago, gonzo1105 said:

 

I understand where your coming from but let’s say Rudolph craps the bed the next couple weeks, the Steelers lose 3 in a row to start 0-5. They aren’t placing that call esp now after giving up their 1st round pick for Minkah. Jacksonville has a pretty wide open division to possibly win. 

 

I just brought up the Jets because he can play 3-4 games stay in NY and not move his house or family etc while still getting a chance to recuperate any value he still has

Jacksonville makes sense.  They still have a great defense and Eli could start right away and make them a contender.  I think Pittsburgh has some belief in Mason Rudolph and want to see what he's got.  They didn't look very good even with Big Ben, so I don't think Eli  puts them over the top...  

[Fan in Chicago]

40 minutes ago, DCOrange said:

Just at a quick glance, the only real options I see for Eli (besides remaining as Jones' backup, which I think is most likely) are:

 

1. Pittsburgh - Maybe as Rudolph's backup, maybe as the starter, but I think Pittsburgh is at least a little excited to see Rudolph in game action even if I personally think he's bad.
2. Chicago - They already have Chase Daniel as Trubisky's backup though, and might not want to put any additional pressure on Trubisky as is.
3. Green Bay - Their current backup is Tim Boyle.
4. Jets - They probably think Darnold is only out a few more weeks though, so maybe they hold off, but Eli would certainly be an upgrade over Falk in the interim if they want to keep any hopes of a successful season alive.

That's all I got.

Plenty of opportunities around the league as a starter. The biggest issue will be the cap hit the new team will take. Else, he will have a littany of choices this year itself. 

[Albany,n.y.]

25 minutes ago, HardyBoy said:

My favorite is we have Webb on our practice squad (I am assuming he's still there).

 

My father in law is a Giants fan and wanted them desperately to play Webb at the end whenever his rookie season was when the year was lost to see how he could do, but they never did. Then they end up drafting Barkely and doing that without knowing really how Webb looked/if they had a legit second tier game manager plan for post Eli in hand, and then they drafted Jones and lost Webb.

 

Small thing, probably not important other than speaking to a front office that is potentially closed minded (ya think), and I'm looking forward to having an extended conversation about it next time we get together in a few months. Seriously, I think I'm just going to have to say Davis Webb and that will start a glorious rant.

 

Edit: wait Davis Webb was a third round pick in 2016 and they cut him sometime between 2017 and 2018 (I had to have know the this no question)?!?! Oof, did they miss on him or was it regime change? Obviously doesn't seem like he's ready for a backup role, but that's squandering a lot of draft capital on likely known developmental project early.

 

The new regime came in and drafted their own QB in the 4th round of the 2018 draft,  Kyle Lauletta, cut Webb before the 2018 season & he was signed by the Jets to their practice squad.  The Jets then cut Webb after this preseason & the Bills picked him up.  Alex Tanney was the Giants 2nd stringer last year, Lauletta 3rd string.  Then this year they drafted Jones in the 1st and Tanney beat out Lauletta for 3rd string and cut Lauletta who ended up on the Eagles practice squad. 

[Punching Bag]

53 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Wise man predicted this.

 

Wise man predicted McCoy running 100 yards. Sage would have predicted McCoy not playing because traded.

[TigerJ]

48 minutes ago, DCOrange said:

 

There is no one "The" problem there. They have a litany of problems, and Eli was undoubtedly one of them.

 

I wonder if there will be any trade interest in Eli, and if so, who.

Agreed.  The biggest problem might be Adam Gase, but he's not going anywhere right away.  Eli no longer has "it."  His arm is no longer what it once was and without a better supporting cast, he just can't do it anymore.  I think Daniel Jones might be an upgrade at this point, but he'll need a better supporting cast too.  Good defenses might be gashed some by Saquon Barkley, but if there aren't enough other facets to the Giants' attack, those good defenses will adjust as Buffalo's did, and take Barkley out of the equation.

[eball]

5 minutes ago, BillsVet said:

 

Dude, I already take you very lightly. 

 

Yep...SO lightly that you needed to come in and respond to my post.  It's ok, BV, even you will come around eventually.

[Punching Bag]

45 minutes ago, DCOrange said:

Just at a quick glance, the only real options I see for Eli (besides remaining as Jones' backup, which I think is most likely) are:

 

1. Pittsburgh - Maybe as Rudolph's backup, maybe as the starter, but I think Pittsburgh is at least a little excited to see Rudolph in game action even if I personally think he's bad.
2. Chicago - They already have Chase Daniel as Trubisky's backup though, and might not want to put any additional pressure on Trubisky as is.
3. Green Bay - Their current backup is Tim Boyle.
4. Jets - They probably think Darnold is only out a few more weeks though, so maybe they hold off, but Eli would certainly be an upgrade over Falk in the interim if they want to keep any hopes of a successful season alive.

That's all I got.

 

Maybe Colts take him for Hoyer and a pick.  With $11,500,000 salary this year.

On Sept 2, Hoyer signed a three-year, $12 million contract with the Indianapolis Colts so money is about the same.

[mannc]

1 minute ago, TigerJ said:

Agreed.  The biggest problem might be Adam Gase, but he's not going anywhere right away.  Eli no longer has "it."  His arm is no longer what it once was and without a better supporting cast, he just can't do it anymore.  I think Daniel Jones might be an upgrade at this point, but he'll need a better supporting cast too.  Good defenses might be gashed some by Saquon Barkley, but if there aren't enough other facets to the Giants' attack, those good defenses will adjust as Buffalo's did, and take Barkley out of the equation.

Gase is terrible, no doubt, but is he really bad enough to sink the Giants, just by sharing a stadium with them?

[TigerJ]

1 minute ago, mannc said:

Gase is terrible, no doubt, but is he really bad enough to sink the Giants, just by sharing a stadium with them?

Oops. Then again, he just might be.  LOL

Edited September 17, 2019 by TigerJ

[IDBillzFan]

1 hour ago, GG said:

Eli wasn't the problem.

 

I get why fans don't understand this truth, but I'm baffled by head coaches who don't get it. Youth may help Jones escape and throw a little better than Eli right now, but if anyone things this changes their trajectory for the foreseeable future is kidding themselves. The team has problems beyond the QB position.

[BillsVet]

14 minutes ago, eball said:

Yep...SO lightly that you needed to come in and respond to my post.  It's ok, BV, even you will come around eventually.

 

When I start beating my chest about predictions, yeah, then it's time to quit.

 

I don't see you doing any mea culpas when you're wrong though.  Sad. 

 

 

[WhoTom]

[mannc]

1 minute ago, IDBillzFan said:

 

I get why fans don't understand this truth, but I'm baffled by head coaches who don't get it. Youth may help Jones escape and throw a little better than Eli right now, but if anyone things this changes their trajectory for the foreseeable future is kidding themselves. The team has problems beyond the QB position.

The Giants aren’t doing it for this year.  They are going nowhere in 2019, with or without Eli, so get Jones some experience and maybe deal Eli for a draft pick...it’s the right move.

[fansince88]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Wise man predicted this.

I said the same thing. 

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Wise man predicted this.

I said the same thing. 

[Nextmanup]

11 minutes ago, IDBillzFan said:

 

I get why fans don't understand this truth, but I'm baffled by head coaches who don't get it. Youth may help Jones escape and throw a little better than Eli right now, but if anyone things this changes their trajectory for the foreseeable future is kidding themselves. The team has problems beyond the QB position.

Yes they do.  So do the Jets, having watched the entire MNF game last night in addition to our game with them.

We've beaten 2 pretty lousy teams so far.  I can't wait to play a good team now so we can see just what we have.

 

A lot of people think Eli is going to the HOF.  His time is done, no big deal.

 

 

[IDBillzFan]

1 minute ago, mannc said:

The Giants aren’t doing it for this year.  They are going nowhere in 2019, with or without Eli, so get Jones some experience and maybe deal Eli for a draft pick...it’s the right move.

 

I  can understand line of thought, but this also has the potential to wreck a rookie. 

 

It doesn't matter to me either way, really. Eli will forever have a place in my home for creating "18 and d'oh!"

[DCOrange]

43 minutes ago, Fan in Chicago said:

Plenty of opportunities around the league as a starter. The biggest issue will be the cap hit the new team will take. Else, he will have a littany of choices this year itself. 

 

I don't really see any opportunities as a starter tbh, unless, again, a team like Pittsburgh decides they don't have that much faith in Rudolph after all. The only one that seems like a realistic opportunity to be a starter is the Jets and even that would only last a few weeks.

 

Edit: Maybe Carolina if the Cam Newton injury is serious.

Edited September 17, 2019 by DCOrange

[mannc]

Just now, IDBillzFan said:

 

I  can understand line of thought, but this also has the potential to wreck a rookie. 

 

It doesn't matter to me either way, really. Eli will forever have a place in my home for creating "18 and d'oh!"

If playing in actual games can potentially ruin him, then Jones sucks to begin with.

[PlayoffsPlease]

16 minutes ago, IDBillzFan said:

 

I get why fans don't understand this truth, but I'm baffled by head coaches who don't get it. Youth may help Jones escape and throw a little better than Eli right now, but if anyone things this changes their trajectory for the foreseeable future is kidding themselves. The team has problems beyond the QB position.

There is a school of thought that game experience helps a young QB develop more than holding a clip board.  Clip board holding proponents think it is a fact not an opinion that holding a clipboard is always better.  But some coaches think differently. 

[IDBillzFan]

2 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

A lot of people think Eli is going to the HOF.  His time is done, no big deal.

 

Eli won two SB under center. He's first ballot. No question.

 

3 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

We've beaten 2 pretty lousy teams so far.  I can't wait to play a good team now so we can see just what we have.

 

We'll know in two weeks, though I think Cincy can be a problem this week. The biggest edge for the Bills this week, in my mind, is playing their home opener after starting the season 2-0 on the road. (Interesting side note: John Brown was interviewed on Sirius NFL this morning, and he commented he's yet to play in Buffalo but heard the fans can be pretty loud. )

[Nextmanup]

2 minutes ago, IDBillzFan said:

 

Eli won two SB under center. He's first ballot. No question.

 

 

We'll know in two weeks, though I think Cincy can be a problem this week. The biggest edge for the Bills this week, in my mind, is playing their home opener after starting the season 2-0 on the road. (Interesting side note: John Brown was interviewed on Sirius NFL this morning, and he commented he's yet to play in Buffalo but heard the fans can be pretty loud. )

One thing that is actually pretty cool is that players constantly speak of the fan presence and overall experience playing in WNY.  Like the players around the league recognize that it is something special relative to the league as a whole.  There will be several guys experiencing that for the first time! 

 

Andy Dalton will be, by far, the best QB we have played so far this year.  And I think the home game actually adds pressure to the Bills; it hurts more than helps, so we will see how it goes.  Still a very winnable game.

 

As you say, we will definitely know the score after Week 4, if not after Week 3.

 

 

[IDBillzFan]

6 minutes ago, mannc said:

If playing in actual games can potentially ruin him, then Jones sucks to begin with.

 

I appreciate the broad generalization, but many people smarter than you and me know some quarterbacks need to spend time behind a vet for a while since there is more to playing the game than just throwing a ball. Neither of us knows for certain if Jones is one of those guys, but we're about to find out.

 

2 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

One thing that is actually pretty cool is that players constantly speak of the fan presence and overall experience playing in WNY.  Like the players around the league recognize that it is something special relative to the league as a whole.  There will be several guys experiencing that for the first time! 

 

Another cool thing is hearing the players stick to the script. While Brown will never lead anyone with his limited vocabulary of "you know...like...you know...", he was saying the right things: turn the page on 2-0, one game at a time, its not me-me...we're all out to make each other better," etc.

[eball]

30 minutes ago, BillsVet said:

 

When I start beating my chest about predictions, yeah, then it's time to quit.

 

I don't see you doing any mea culpas when you're wrong though.  Sad. 

 

 

You think I'm "beating my chest?"  That's funny.  By the way, this board is about having FUN, which is a concept I don't think you're too familiar with judging by the typical tone of your comments and interaction.  You're welcome to put me on ignore, by the way.

[Royale with Cheese]

5 minutes ago, eball said:

 

You think I'm "beating my chest?"  That's funny.  By the way, this board is about having FUN, which is a concept I don't think you're too familiar with judging by the typical tone of your comments and interaction.  You're welcome to put me on ignore, by the way.

 

Quit beating that chest Antonio.  

[Lurker]

I feel bad for the kid.   

 

With no receivers to throw to and a mediocre O-line protecting him, he's set up to fail as so many other first round QBs have... 

[Mango]

Here is a scenario:

 

Brady goes down in the next 6 weeks before the trade deadline. Pats are still on a roll. They give up a 5th to NYG for Eli because of cap space. Eli goes 6-2 down the stretch, Pats win the division with a bye in the playoffs. Everybody is furious. Eli keeps playing lights out. Pats are in the SB. Eli shows up, plays OK, before an untimely sack fumble with a minute left in the game, that blows the Patriots lead. Pats lose, and Eli Manning personally delivers BB his 3rd SB loss. 

[PIZ]

5 minutes ago, Lurker said:

I feel bad for the kid.   

 

With no receivers to throw to and a mediocre O-line protecting him, he's set up to fail as so many other first round QBs have... 

 

Sounds vaguely familiar to 2018...............

 

 

[Albany,n.y.]

2 minutes ago, Lurker said:

I feel bad for the kid.   

 

With no receivers to throw to and a mediocre O-line protecting him, he's set up to fail as so many other first round QBs have... 

2 more weeks and he'll have his WRs at full strength.  Some of the Giants WRs didn't look that bad on Sunday & their top 2 didn't play.  They have a decent O-line , I don't know where you got your idea on their line from-maybe last year, one of if not the best RB in the league to decrease pressure, a star at TE etc.  If anything, as far as starting him for the rest of the season he's set up to succeed far better than most rookie QBs.   The  Giants offense is way ahead of their defense.  

 

[apuszczalowski]

No way he gets traded to backup someone and no way he gets traded to a team to fill in for a few weeks

 

Both Jets and Saints have their starters coming back in a few weeks, they won't waste picks to get Eli for a couple weeks.

Colts & Steelers both have young guys who could be their futures with Brissett and Rudolph, only way they trade for him is if they don't believe in those guys to lead them. Jacksonville is a possibility because they don't have much experience in that position now and they did try to upgrade the position going into the season but then lost him right away. Coughlin knows him well and could try to bring him in to get an experienced veteran starter to save their season. 

[ProcessAccepted]

2 hours ago, Bangarang said:

There’s no going back. You have to commit to Jones for better or worse.

When the Giants benched Warner to go with Eli and then wanted to switch back to Warner, Kurt told them that they needed to stay with the rookie.  I wonder will Eli do the same for Jones.

[Mr. WEO]

Kid will be on IR in 2 weeks....

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

2 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

Eli Manning to the Jets! (just me speculating)

Does he get the same locker room cubicle / stall?  Or do the Giants and Jests each have their own locker rooms?  It is New York City...oh, wait...

[Lurker]

42 minutes ago, PIZ said:

 

Sounds vaguely familiar to 2018...............

 

 

 

Jones isn't built like an oak tree, won't run for 600+ yards and doesn't have a #2 defense to help him out.

 

Other than that, same situation...

[GunnerBill]

2 hours ago, Albany,n.y. said:

Wise man predicted KANSAS CITY RB Shady McCoy would run for 100 yards with the BILLS. ?

 

Ignore the rest of the prediction..... ?

[PIZ]

13 minutes ago, Lurker said:

 

Jones isn't built like an oak tree, won't run for 600+ yards and doesn't have a #2 defense to help him out.

 

Other than that, same situation...

 

I meant the NO OL and NO WRs.