Early third quarter slowdown-bad execution, not playcalling

[dave mcbride]

Daboll seems to be taking criticism for third quarter playcalling. However, on top of the constant pre-snap penalties, the Bills couldn’t execute two easy and well designed passing plays that should have produced big yardage. An open Dawson Knox let a perfect throw go right through his hands, and that would have been a 15-20 yard play. Later, in a great play call, Josh Allen missed a wide open John Brown badly on a play that had big yardage written all over it — maybe even a TD given his speed. Gotta convert those. Poor execution changed the whole tenor of that quarter.

Edited September 15, 2019 by dave mcbride

[Seasons1992]

I LOVE WINNING!!!!!!

[GG]

It also coincided with Ford playing RT while Nsekhe was healing.  

[Ray Finkel]

Let’s think of the positive and not the negative .  We are 2-0!

 

 

[atlbillsfan1975]

It started in the first half.  I don’t blame Daboll at all. I do think they need to maintain the level of play that was displayed in the first 25 minutes and then again in the fourth quarter. 

If there is anyone I would be concerned wants to be conservative with a lead it is McDermott. This offense could by dynamic. Like very unstoppable. They need to cut it loose and run it up. 

And yes winning is great. I think we are going to have to learn how to enjoy it again!:)

Edited September 15, 2019 by atlbillsfan1975

[Kelly the Dog]

That long pass to Brown was a sure TD that Josh missed badly, and you're right, if he hits that there is little criticism. I still think we got a little conservative, and I didn't at all like kneeling with 47 seconds to go and two timeouts which was the beginning of the conservatism..

[dave mcbride]

2 minutes ago, Ray Finkel said:

Let’s think of the positive and not the negative .  We are 2-0!

 

 

It might not sound like it, but I sorta am focusing on the positive. I like this offense a lot.

Edited September 15, 2019 by dave mcbride

[Ray Finkel]

Just now, dave mcbride said:

It might not sound like it, but I sorta am focusing on the positive. I like this offense a lot.

Moving on to Cincinnati 

[dave mcbride]

1 minute ago, Kelly the Dog said:

That long pass to Brown was a sure TD that Josh missed badly, and you're right, if he hits that there is little criticism. I still think we got a little conservative, and I didn't at all like kneeling with 47 seconds to go and two timeouts which was the beginning of the conservatism..

I was referring to the third quarter slant — he was wide open with a ton of running room in front of him.

[Kelly the Dog]

1 minute ago, dave mcbride said:

It might not sound like it, but I sorta am focusing on the positive. I like this offense a lot.

There really is a lot to like about it, especially the fact that most of the players are new. The coaching seems better, the blocking is way better, the receivers are way better, the TEs are substantially better, the RBs are playing better.

[The Wiz]

1 minute ago, dave mcbride said:

I was referring to the third quarter slant — he was wide open with a ton of running room in front of him.

That was to Zay and the defender was right in the passing lane so he would have had to go over him on the pass. He tried to side arm the ball around the defender which is why he missed so badly. 

Edited September 15, 2019 by The Wiz

[eanyills]

4 minutes ago, Ray Finkel said:

Let’s think of the positive and not the negative .  We are 2-0!

 

 

 

It would be shortsighted to ignore the team’s weaknesses. Hopefully Daboll/McD learn from how their conservatism at the end of the first half and again in the third quarter could have backfired badly against any team fielding a competent offense.

 

We won, which is great, but we can also continue improving through recognizing our mistakes.

[Kelly the Dog]

2 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

I was referring to the third quarter slant — he was wide open with a ton of running room in front of him.

That one, too. There really is not a QB in the league like Josh, IMO. He's far from great and not even very good yet, but he is on his way.

[dave mcbride]

1 minute ago, The Wiz said:

That was to Zay and the defender was right in the passing lane so he would have had to go over him on the pass. He tried to side arm the ball around the defender which is why he missed so badly. 

Yeah - Zay Jones. My mistake. Still, a well designed play that would have gone for big yardage.

[Lurker]

I take issue with Dabol not adjusting to the NYG blitz every time Allen went shotgun in the third quarter.   The O-line was having a tough time adjusting and Dabol should have called a few screens or other short passes to make them pay for their aggressiveness.

 

Also, the rookie CB covering John Brown was giving him way too much cushion all game.   They went away from exploiting that in Q3, whch seemed pretty conservative...

[The Wiz]

Just now, dave mcbride said:

Yeah - Zay Jones. My mistake. Still, a well designed play that would have gone for big yardage.

It would have for sure. Said to myself (well myself but everyone in my house heard it) that Zay was gone if he completed that. 

[Nextmanup]

12 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

Daboll seems to be taking criticism for third quarter playcalling. However, on top of the constant pre-snap penalties, the Bills couldn’t execute two easy and well designed passing plays that should have produced big yardage. An open Dawson Knox let a perfect throw go right through his hands, and that would have been a 15-20 yard play. Later, in a great play call, Josh Allen missed a wide John Brown badly on a play that had big yardage written all over it — maybe even a TD given his speed. Gotta convert those. Poor execution changed the whole tenor of that quarter.

Dave, most folks here simply do not want to objectively discuss the team or the game.

 

They are here to be cheerleaders and nothing else.

 

I understand your points and I agree with you.  

 

I think I'm just about done trying to discuss Josh Allen's development too, but he left several big plays and points on the field today as you alluded to.  It's hard to discuss Allen here because he is so guarded and protected.  Any comment suggesting he is not the perfect morphing of Marino, Kelly, Elway, and Brady is perceived as a "troll post".

 

 He made 3 great throws today, many good ones, several bad ones, and a couple really bad ones that probably took points off the board.  But he also did enough stuff to win, 2 weeks in a  row.  I'm to the point where I want to see us play a good team with a good quarterback so we can judge what we really have this season.   We haven't run into that team yet.

 

 

 

 

[GunnerBill]

16 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

Daboll seems to be taking criticism for third quarter playcalling. However, on top of the constant pre-snap penalties, the Bills couldn’t execute two easy and well designed passing plays that should have produced big yardage. An open Dawson Knox let a perfect throw go right through his hands, and that would have been a 15-20 yard play. Later, in a great play call, Josh Allen missed a wide open John Brown badly on a play that had big yardage written all over it — maybe even a TD given his speed. Gotta convert those. Poor execution changed the whole tenor of that quarter.

 

Yep. I have just said as much in the post-game thread. In the 3rd Qrtr we called 10 passes and 3 runs. Some of the plays called were not the right ones but no OC is perfect. The main problems were penalties and execution, not conservatism. 

[LABILLBACKER]

8 minutes ago, Ray Finkel said:

Let’s think of the positive and not the negative .  We are 2-0!

 

 

Championship teams continue to improve and fix flaws even while they're winning.  They don't just accept that fact that they won and go home. Obviously we're all ecstatic to be 2-0. But there's more things to work on. 

This team has to find a "killer instinct" in spite of Sean Jauron. 

[Ray Finkel]

3 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Championship teams continue to improve and fix flaws even while they're winning.  They don't just accept that fact that they won and go home. Obviously we're all ecstatic to be 2-0. But there's more things to work on. 

This team has to find a "killer instinct" in spite of Sean Jauron. 

No doubt.  We have numerous flaws but people seem to find the negative in good times.  We still have a long way to go to be a CHAMPIONSHIP TEAM.

[Heitz]

5 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 The main problems were penalties and execution, not conservatism. 

 

5 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

This team has to find a "killer instinct" in spite of Sean Jauron. 

 

Back to Back.  Too perfect. ?  

[GunnerBill]

6 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Championship teams continue to improve and fix flaws even while they're winning.  They don't just accept that fact that they won and go home. Obviously we're all ecstatic to be 2-0. But there's more things to work on. 

This team has to find a "killer instinct" in spite of Sean Jauron. 

 

Yea. Sean Jauron was telling his tackles to commit penalties and Josh to miss throws. 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

19 minutes ago, GG said:

It also coincided with Ford playing RT while Nsekhe was healing.  

 

Interesting observation here. Did like his fire on the throw down tho. 

[Gray Beard]

That pass to Dawson Knox was a bullet.  He’s supposed to catch those, that’s his job.  But a bullet at close range like that is probably something that he hasn’t seen too often. Should Josh throw those with a little less speed, did the tight coverage require that amount of speed, or dId Knox absolutely mess up by not catching it?

[Kelly the Dog]

Just now, Gray Beard said:

That pass to Dawson Knox was a bullet.  He’s supposed to catch those, that’s his job.  But a bullet at close range like that is probably something that he hasn’t seen too often. Should Josh throw those with a little less speed, did the tight coverage require that amount of speed, or dId Knox absolutely mess up by not catching it?

Lee Smith catches those!!!

 

That was actually a terrific catch on a bullet by Smith.

[thebandit27]

Really just 3 missed opportunities:

- Dawson Knox dropped a money ball that would've been a big play

- Zay got hooked on a slant that would've been a big gainer

- Josh used a bad arm angle and missed a second slant to Zay that was an easy 25-yard chunk play  

 

VERY glad to see that they came back with an excellent drive on the first possession of the 4th

[dave mcbride]

2 minutes ago, Gray Beard said:

That pass to Dawson Knox was a bullet.  He’s supposed to catch those, that’s his job.  But a bullet at close range like that is probably something that he hasn’t seen too often. Should Josh throw those with a little less speed, did the tight coverage require that amount of speed, or dId Knox absolutely mess up by not catching it?

It was 15-20 yards away. No excuses—you gotta catch that in the NFL.

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, thebandit27 said:

Really just 3 missed opportunities:

- Dawson Knox dropped a money ball that would've been a big play

- Zay got hooked on a slant that would've been a big gainer

- Josh used a bad arm angle and missed a second slant to Zay that was an easy 25-yard chunk play  

 

VERY glad to see that they came back with an excellent drive on the first possession of the 4th

 

And first down penalties on 2/3 drives for false starts that put them behind the chains. 

Just now, dave mcbride said:

It was 15-20 yards away. No excuses—you gotta catch that in the NFL.

 

I agree. I thought Josh could have taken just a little mustard off it but you are right Knox still has to catch it. 

[Ralonzo]

14 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

It would have for sure. Said to myself (well myself but everyone in my house heard it) that Zay was gone if he completed that. 

Yep, as long as he got up before being touched down by contact!

[Freak-O]

Against the Jets the offense was really sloppy more or less the entire first half. Against the Giants they had a little dip in performance, but not at all for as long as in the Jets game. It's going in the right direction and could develop into something truly great. We have to remember that there are lots and lots of new guys on the offense, of course it will take some time before it works perfectly. 

[Warren Zevon]

Allen has room to grow and they're 2-0 - solid start

[Solomon Grundy]

34 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

Daboll seems to be taking criticism for third quarter playcalling. However, on top of the constant pre-snap penalties, the Bills couldn’t execute two easy and well designed passing plays that should have produced big yardage. An open Dawson Knox let a perfect throw go right through his hands, and that would have been a 15-20 yard play. Later, in a great play call, Josh Allen missed a wide open John Brown badly on a play that had big yardage written all over it — maybe even a TD given his speed. Gotta convert those. Poor execution changed the whole tenor of that quarter.

The STUPID false start penalties contributed as well. Shouldn't happen!!

[Buffalo Bills Fan]

Chan Gailey did miracles with Fitz but than again Fitz is one of the most inconsistent QB ever. On week Brady level next week Peterman level.

My bad wrong thread lol.  

 

 

[John from Riverside]

I actually thought it was the opposite of conservitive.......as in a couple of plays it looked like he wanted to wait for a kill shot deep play.....and then got sacked.....

 

I want to see first downs in a situation like that

 

but...NOT complaining.....winning is everything

[Buffalo Barbarian]

42 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

Daboll seems to be taking criticism for third quarter playcalling. However, on top of the constant pre-snap penalties, the Bills couldn’t execute two easy and well designed passing plays that should have produced big yardage. An open Dawson Knox let a perfect throw go right through his hands, and that would have been a 15-20 yard play. Later, in a great play call, Josh Allen missed a wide open John Brown badly on a play that had big yardage written all over it — maybe even a TD given his speed. Gotta convert those. Poor execution changed the whole tenor of that quarter.

 

Not a fan of there effort here as its never safe to dial it back in the NFL. That said its good to know they can turn it back on when they needed they just need to stay on the gas until the end.

[Jerome007]

24 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

I think I'm just about done trying to discuss Josh Allen's development too, but he left several big plays and points on the field today as you alluded to.  It's hard to discuss Allen here because he is so guarded and protected.  Any comment suggesting he is not the perfect morphing of Marino, Kelly, Elway, and Brady is perceived as a "troll post".

 

 He made 3 great throws today, many good ones, several bad ones, and a couple really bad ones that probably took points off the board.  But he also did enough stuff to win, 2 weeks in a  row.  I'm to the point where I want to see us play a good team with a good quarterback so we can judge what we really have this season.   We haven't run into that team yet.

Discussing Josh Allen's development is fine. But the 'fans' looking for perfection are annoying too. Brees and Brady have bad passes too. 

 

Today I was laughing AND cringing at how hard Josh throws some passes. It is amusing in a way, but it will cause some interceptions when receivers miss on the ball or touch it without catching. For passes to the outside though, it's great!

 

Dabbol had some very good plays. I was impressed. 3rd quarter was slow for everybody. I get it happens but damn I was afraid the Giants would be back in the game, and they almost did.

 

 

[GunnerBill]

3 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

Not a fan of there effort here as its never safe to dial it back in the NFL. That said its good to know they can turn it back on when they needed they just need to stay on the gas until the end.

 

Not sure they did dial it back. That is the point. They just didn't execute. Dropped catches, false start and bad passes. 

[BillsfanAZ]

I was not a fan of how conservative they got at the end of the first half. 

[Buffalo Barbarian]

9 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Not sure they did dial it back. That is the point. They just didn't execute. Dropped catches, false start and bad passes. 

 

I meant dial it back mentally, the play calling was fine. It was clear to see they didn't have a sense of urgency and was why we didn't score in the third, but when the Giants scored again we suddenly were able to roll right down the field and put the game away. They need maintain that kind of intensity until the game is way out of hand, we should have put 42 points on them.

 

 

[Freddie's Dead]

The QB draw to open the 3rd QTR was a gem of a play call.

 

Edited September 15, 2019 by Freddie's Dead