Mosley injury, Dabol play calling or both?

[BuffaloMatt]

To me the elephant in the room is the Mosley injury. I know we gave them points off turnovers but clearly the game turned when Mosley went out with the groin injury. That said, they also went to a run first offense, not sure why they were so pass heavy for first three quarters. Was its Mosley's presence or just Dabol adjusting? Or Both?  

[PetermansRedemption]

Have to remember that is also the point Singletary started getting touches. 

[MikeSpeed]

Exploit the weakness. When Mosley was in the weakness was the secondary. With him out it was also the middle of their D. That what good O coordinators do.

[ganesh]

3 minutes ago, BuffaloMatt said:

To me the elephant in the room is the Mosley injury. I know we gave them points off turnovers but clearly the game turned when Mosley went out with the groin injury. That said, they also went to a run first offense, not sure why they were so pass heavy for first three quarters. Was its Mosley's presence or just Dabol adjusting? Or Both?  

The Jets have one of the worst LB corps outside of Mosley  When he went off the field, there were enough gaping holes and the Bills exploited.  Kudos to Dabol and Josh for recognizing the  coverage.

[teef]

i figured it was a bit of both.  why they refused to work the run game to start the game i have no idea.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

Devin Motor Singletary

https://www.buffalobills.com/video/every-devin-singletary-touch-preseason-week-1

 

[BigPappy]

14 minutes ago, Bills2ref said:

Have to remember that is also the point Singletary started getting touches. 

 

3 minutes ago, teef said:

i figured it was a bit of both.  why they refused to work the run game to start the game i have no idea.

 

Glad i'm not the only one to notice this. Dabol was pass happy in the first half. They should have fed the ball to Singletary more in the first half. And I am sorry, but it was a HUGE mistake getting rid of Shady over Gore. 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

16 minutes ago, Bills2ref said:

Have to remember that is also the point Singletary started getting touches. 

 

I said as much as well. 

 

We will never know.  

[mead107]

If it was an adjustment I hope they will be able to do that all the time. 

[Mr. WEO]

Missed field goal

[GG]

I'd say Daboll's playcalling was responsible for the anemic 1st half. 

 

I'll wait until I see more on All-22, but I though Daboll was being too cute in the 1st half.  I thought that they had too much motion to try to catch Jets off balance, but the Bills never snapped the ball to exploit the mismatches.   In the first drive, a split out DiMarco was wide open for a while, but Jets recovered before the snap. 

 

My problem is that Daboll kept going back to that formation throughout the game, even as the Jets caught on.   I understand that Daboll is trying to set the offense for the rest of the year, and hopefully they'll be able to exploit this movement once the offense gets more comfortable, but this was also  game where the opponent had a very weak secondary, and Daboll didn't do enough to expose the real weakness.   This game should not have been this close.

[Inigo Montoya]

4 minutes ago, BigPappy said:

 

 

Glad i'm not the only one to notice this. Dabol was pass happy in the first half. They should have fed the ball to Singletary more in the first half. And I am sorry, but it was a HUGE mistake getting rid of Shady over Gore. 

 

I think Shady and Singletary have a very similar style of play.  They are the flashy, speedy, illusive, pass catching running back.  Gore is the pounder.  The Bills have their own version of Thunder and Lightning with Gore and Singletary on the roster.   Keeping Shady would have been redundant and expensive.  

[BITE ME]

60% playcalling. 40% Injury.  The injury allowed for some different play calling, but they were going to have to get the running game going, just to keep the defense honest.  The Jets defense looked like a top 5 defense.  They have serious players.

[BigPappy]

2 minutes ago, Inigo Montoya said:

 

I think Shady and Singletary have a very similar style of play.  They are the flashy, speedy, illusive, pass catching running back.  Gore is the pounder.  The Bills have their own version of Thunder and Lightning with Gore and Singletary on the roster.   Keeping Shady would have been redundant and expensive.  

The comparison between them is accurate yes, but Gore is not "Thunder" anymore. He's just old.If they want a "ground & pound" type they can go out and get someone much younger I am sure. He didn't look very good to me yesterday.

[Prickly Pete]

28 minutes ago, BuffaloMatt said:

To me the elephant in the room is the Mosley injury. I know we gave them points off turnovers but clearly the game turned when Mosley went out with the groin injury. That said, they also went to a run first offense, not sure why they were so pass heavy for first three quarters. Was its Mosley's presence or just Dabol adjusting? Or Both?  

 

Allen was having excellent drives the whole game, but they made some gaffes. They also started giving the ball to Singletary. 

Mosley had a good game, but it's getting overplayed. 

[Inigo Montoya]

Just now, BigPappy said:

The comparison between them is accurate yes, but Gore is not "Thunder" anymore. He's just old.If they want a "ground & pound" type they can go out and get someone much younger I am sure. He didn't look very good to me yesterday.

 

Fair point.

[5 Wide]

11 minutes ago, GG said:

I'd say Daboll's playcalling was responsible for the anemic 1st half. 

 

I'll wait until I see more on All-22, but I though Daboll was being too cute in the 1st half.  I thought that they had too much motion to try to catch Jets off balance, but the Bills never snapped the ball to exploit the mismatches.   In the first drive, a split out DiMarco was wide open for a while, but Jets recovered before the snap. 

 

My problem is that Daboll kept going back to that formation throughout the game, even as the Jets caught on.   I understand that Daboll is trying to set the offense for the rest of the year, and hopefully they'll be able to exploit this movement once the offense gets more comfortable, but this was also  game where the opponent had a very weak secondary, and Daboll didn't do enough to expose the real weakness.   This game should not have been this close.

I wonder how many of those were called run plays that Allen audibled out of.... he was changing calls at the line a lot the first few drives.

[Bring it]

I don’t think that with Mosley gone that the middle of the Jets D. was much weaker. Not with the stud tackles they have! They  allowed Mosley to run free of blockers pretty much! His speed to the edge was missed though. Don’t know if that was why Singletary got the ball or not. Those runs really helped change the momentum for sure.

Gore looked like an old, tired back. A Great player destined for the HOF but past the point that he can impose his will on a defense!

[Capco]

13 minutes ago, 5 Wide said:

I wonder how many of those were called run plays that Allen audibled out of.... he was changing calls at the line a lot the first few drives.

 

I was just about to type the same thing.  It felt like those were at-the-line audibles, not scripted formation changes.  

 

Plus, the personnel they had out were running personnel (FB, RB, TE).

[Jobot]

My opinion of the game was that the Bills came in with way too optimistic of a game plan, that Allen would be running a high powered offense to light up the Jets.  It felt like the Bills could have eventually won a conservative battle of running and punting if that had been the initial plan. It almost bit us, but then the Moseley injury and Jets kicking game saved us.  Still gotta give credit to Allen and the offense execution in the 4th.

[dgrochester55]

There is no doubt that losing Mosley hurt them, but injuries happen in every game and coaches are there to make the adjustments.    McDermott  and Daboll made up for the poor offensive strategy in the first half by doing this at the end.    A little bit of a lucky break in a way for Buffalo, but it still takes good play and coaching to capitalize on it and come back like they did.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

40 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

Missed field goal

 

I'll raise a BOGUS safety 

(and subsequent drive after)

Edited September 9, 2019 by SlimShady'sGhost

[aceman_16]

49 minutes ago, teef said:

i figured it was a bit of both.  why they refused to work the run game to start the game i have no idea.

Guessing they wanted uptempo with time at LOS to diagnose what the defense was trying to do. It worked OTHER than the flukey turnovers

[Mr. WEO]

1 minute ago, SlimShady'sGhost said:

 

I'll raise a BOGUS safety 

(and subsequent drive after)

 

Close call.

 

 

 

[MrEpsYtown]

I for one loved how they came out to start the game. It was methodical and very New England like ad clearly scripted. Allen was very good, then he fumbled the ball. So much empty early causes teams to open up the box a little bit. I saw nothing wrong with the strategy, but I do wish they would push the ball down the field more. 

[teef]

17 minutes ago, aceman_16 said:

Guessing they wanted uptempo with time at LOS to diagnose what the defense was trying to do. It worked OTHER than the flukey turnovers

the ball was being moved quite well until...ya know.  

[chris heff]

The Bills didn’t win because Mosley got injured, they won because they are a better team than the Jets. When Johnson went down Neal stepped in and Bills defense didn’t miss a beat. An offense or defense being reliant on one player is a recipe for disaster. The QB position being the exception, but that’s why the rules protect them more. At the beginning of the game the play calling was odd, but seemed to be working until they shot themselves in the foot repeatedly. That being said the offensive needs to settle down. Since when was rotating tackles a thing? If Ford was struggling and you pull him so be it, but the position that that was the plan is suspect.

[bigK14094]

55 minutes ago, FUTURIST said:

60% playcalling. 40% Injury.  The injury allowed for some different play calling, but they were going to have to get the running game going, just to keep the defense honest.  The Jets defense looked like a top 5 defense.  They have serious players.

We get them again on Dec 29.  Lets hope that game still matters to the Bills.

[CincyBillsFan]

5% losing Mosley and 95% the Bills, including Dabold, executing properly on offense.

 

Can't folks just accept a thrilling Bills comeback win on the road against a Division rival without looking for excuses as to why they won? 

 

Well here's some excuses as to why the Bills didn't blow the Jets out in the FIRST HALF yesterday:

 

*  A lot of people are criticizing Dabold's pass happy opening but it worked.  The Bills moved the ball right down the field.  A blown block by the tackle and Allen not protecting the ball cost the Bills at least 3 & maybe 7 points.

 

*  A lot of people claim the Bills lucked out because the Jets missed an extra point & FG!  So what!  The Jets ONLY TD of the 1st half was a fluke play that 99/100 times would have been either a 5 yard gain or an incomplete pass. 

 

*  Did anyone consider that the 4th down "fumble" between Allen/Morse was a DIRECT result of Morse not being involved in any contact throughout the preseason?  This was his FIRST game of contact football this season.  Did you notice how much better Morse played in the 2nd half?  I suspect that the 1st half was a problem, including that fluky fumble, because Morse needed to adjust to the speed & physicality of the game.  Going forward the Bills will convert that 4th & one 9 times out of 10.

 

*  Or how about on 3rd & long Allen makes a nice run to put the Bills in FG range at the Jet's 24 only to see the yards lost on a ticky tacky dead ball taunting penalty against a Bill's O-lineman.

 

*  By my count if the breaks/fluke plays had evened out the Bills should have been up 13 - 3 at half!

 

*  The narrative that the Bills were lucky to win; that the offense and especially Allen were terrible in the 1st half just doesn't pass the smell test.  The Bills had multiple good drives in the 1st half that ended without points because of some fluky stuff that happens in week 1.  Throw in a 1/100 fluke pick 6 and you have a 1st half like we saw.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[chris heff]

3 minutes ago, bigK14094 said:

We get them again on Dec 29.  Lets hope that game still matters to the Bills.

Or that the Bills have clinched playoff birth and home field and the game doesn’t matter.

[PromoTheRobot]

1 hour ago, teef said:

i figured it was a bit of both.  why they refused to work the run game to start the game i have no idea.

 

To try to expose that secondary, which they were doing until the screwups happened. Allen had 150 yds passing at the half.

[teef]

2 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

To try to expose that secondary, which they were doing until the screwups happened. Allen had 150 yds passing at the half.

it's hard to ignore the turnovers, but he really was moving the ball effectively.  

[NoHuddleKelly12]

As one of the morning WGR jockeys pointed out this AM, they don't have any asterisks by the Patsies latest trophy, just because the Rams didn't have a healthy Gurley playing in the SB, right? It's a next man up league, and no one cares to mark the W-L records any less for it. The Bills made adjustments after the half, the Jests did not, and it showed. 

[PromoTheRobot]

1 hour ago, GG said:

I'd say Daboll's playcalling was responsible for the anemic 1st half. 

 

I'll wait until I see more on All-22, but I though Daboll was being too cute in the 1st half.  I thought that they had too much motion to try to catch Jets off balance, but the Bills never snapped the ball to exploit the mismatches.   In the first drive, a split out DiMarco was wide open for a while, but Jets recovered before the snap. 

 

My problem is that Daboll kept going back to that formation throughout the game, even as the Jets caught on.   I understand that Daboll is trying to set the offense for the rest of the year, and hopefully they'll be able to exploit this movement once the offense gets more comfortable, but this was also  game where the opponent had a very weak secondary, and Daboll didn't do enough to expose the real weakness.   This game should not have been this close.

 

Don't confuse anemic with error prone. The Bills offense was plenty potent first half. But those turnovers erased the effort.

[nickrage]

Both

[Stranded in Boston]

Mosley is a very good linebacker, but let's not overdo it. First, Mosley WAS on the field for Singletary's first long run, during which he took an initial bad angle, was bullied by a pulling Mitch Morse and got away with a late hit out of bounds (I don't imagine Jerry Hughes would have dodged that!). Also, Mosley had his fair share of fortuitous bounces during the game. His pick-6 was a physics-defying gift -- and on the play he deflected the ball away from John Brown in the end zone, the ball somewhat miraculously hit his outstretched left hand (he never looked back on that play). So sure, Mosley played well, but it's a game of inches. Tre Edmunds had at least as good a game, but the talking heads ignore anybody whose name doesn't appear on the score sheet ...

[RememberTheRockpile]

19 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

*  Or how about on 3rd & long Allen makes a nice run to put the Bills in FG range at the Jet's 24 only to see the yards lost on a ticky tacky dead ball taunting penalty against a Bill's O-lineman.

While at the same time ignoring Mosley wagging his finger at Allen while getting up from the tackle. 

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, BigPappy said:

The comparison between them is accurate yes, but Gore is not "Thunder" anymore. He's just old.If they want a "ground & pound" type they can go out and get someone much younger I am sure. He didn't look very good to me yesterday.

He’s not “just old”.  He looked just like Shady did all of last season.  He’d get the ball and get hit because the line couldn’t open a hole for him.  Singletary on the other hand, had gaping holes.

[CincyBillsFan]

3 minutes ago, RememberTheRockpile said:

While at the same time ignoring Mosley wagging his finger at Allen while getting up from the tackle. 

 

Great point Rockpile.  I remember saying to my son that there should have been TWO dead ball taunting fouls on that play.  Overall the refs did a nice job but that miss cost the Bills 3 points.

 

 

[RochesterRob]

  I chalked up the first half to not having run as a unit together in regular season game speed previously.  Mosely was very good but the flukey turnovers were lack of experience with their teammates up to now.  I expect a smoother 1st quarter for the offense in the Giants game.