The Bills need to keep Duke Williams

[Boca BIlls]

And preseason messes with your heads again.

[ALF]

Well the good news is the Bills have enough TE's to take his place.

[JohninMinn.]

You can't coach size. Best red zone target. We already have two other Fosters. Brown and Mckenzie. Get Duke back.

[Teddy KGB]

6 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

I've had plenty over the years, assuming I'm the "poor guy" you're referring to.

 

From Tyrod making the Pro Bowl in his first year starting to the Bills making the playoffs in 2017 to the Bills beating the Chiefs in Arrowhead 2 weeks after Taylor was benched for his horrid play against the Saints to my CONSTANT stance from the very beginning of the 2017 preseason that Peterman just didn't belong in the NFL to Allen being the guy who should have been named the starter very quickly last offseason in order to get all the reps since McCarron and Peterman clearly sucked and weren't viable mentors...

 

Yeah... I'm all good, bro... pretty far from the "bet the opposite of what that guy says narrative" you and Foxxy like to push...

 

Thanks for your concern, though 

 

 Your Tyrod Taylor Ted Talk is incendiary. 

 

Lmao @ citing that for some reason. 

Edited September 1, 2019 by Teddy KGB

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

6 hours ago, Rocky Landing said:

Duke is a big, strong dude with great hands, and an enormous catch radius. I will say that he looked a little slow in preseason game #4, but I chalked that up to him being out there blocking for almost the entire game. He did not look slow in games one thru three. But the line that "he can't get separation" is bogus. He's a talented route runner that can reel in passes thrown into tight coverage, and it's his sheer strength that gives him that edge. The only other WR with a similar catch radius, IMO, is Brown. And, I don't believe we had another WR who could highpoint as well as he could. I don't think that is an attribute that should be ignored-- neither his ability to block. I believe we will regret not signing him. I hope he clears waivers, and makes the PS, but I doubt he will.

He did look slow, he looked slow in ALL the preseason games he played and couldn't create separation from players who aren't on NFL rosters today. I don't know how you can't see it, it right there in front of your face. There's a bunch of you getting hung up on 2 jump ball TDs and blocking, but don't see anything else. As is he will not be able to get into NFL games when the ball is in between the 20s, he's too damn slow. Beane isn't keeping a guy on the 53 who averaged less than 9 yards a catch against the #8, #9 #10 CBs , just to catch a couple jump balls this year. He had his chances and hasn't done enough against the lower competition he played. Here's a fact some of you are having a hard time acknowledging, he's got TE measurables(Besides weight) trying to play WR, he looked way too slow in every preseason game he was in to play WR. When that happens you don't deserve a spot on the team, there's a reason he was playing in the CFL & it hasn't only been him trying to get his personal life in order keeping him there. 

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

20 hours ago, Livinginthepast said:

Lets see they cut Williams, the number one receiver in the pass happy CFL and kept the mediocre Zay Jones who has already had one complete mental breakdown? Why? Does Zay love the lord more than Duke? Because that's apparently a very important quality to Beane? That and if you played for the Carolina Panthers. A completely asinine move by the Bills.

This makes no sense at all. One is a proven player in the NFL and one hasn't made an NFL roster since first trying out back in 2016, Duke is already 26 years old, but runs like he's 56 years old. The number 1 WR in the CFL playing against who at CB, guys who couldn't sniff an NFL roster?? Duke averaged less than 9 yards a catch against CBs that aren't on NFL rosters today. When you finally get your chance and it's against lower talent, you better dominate or you're not going to make the 53 man roster. Duke looks like he's dragging a tire behind him when he runs. He probably would've been a good WR in the 80s & 90s though, but with the speed of the game today you better be able to run or be shifty and run really good routes.

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

59 minutes ago, JohninMinn. said:

You can't coach size. Best red zone target. We already have two other Fosters. Brown and Mckenzie. Get Duke back.

You can't teach speed either...or in this case lack of speed. My grandma can run faster than Duke. Here's his draft profile, the cliff notes are... he lacks speed, acceleration, stiff hips(Not what you want your WR to have), "Restricted, semi-strider off snap and slow into routes, won't slip many tackles, very little acceleration for separation out of breaks. And the biggest thing I've been saying..... Can't shake free underneath and will have to live off contested catches. Not much has changed since then, he's still pretty much the same player.

 

WEAKNESSES

 Consistent discipline issues at Auburn. Suspended for Outback Bowl after 2014 season, missed practices for "personal reasons" this August and was kicked off of the team in October admitting he "made mistake after mistake" which lead to his dismissal. Stiff hips and below average athlete. Restricted, semi­-strider off snap and slow into routes. Wont slip many tackles in the open field after the catch. Despite his size, blocking not a priority for him. Small hands for his size. Can't shake free underneath and will have to live off of contested catches. Very little acceleration for separation out of breaks. Could be forced into slot role only. Looked like he was going through the motions in 2015 before his dismissal. Scouts dont trust his personal or football character at all.

[MAJBobby]

He will be on the PS. 

[Bangarang]

8 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

I've had plenty over the years, assuming I'm the "poor guy" you're referring to.

 

From Tyrod making the Pro Bowl in his first year starting to the Bills making the playoffs in 2017 to the Bills beating the Chiefs in Arrowhead 2 weeks after Taylor was benched for his horrid play against the Saints to my CONSTANT stance from the very beginning of the 2017 preseason that Peterman just didn't belong in the NFL to Allen being the guy who should have been named the starter very quickly last offseason in order to get all the reps since McCarron and Peterman clearly sucked and weren't viable mentors...

 

Yeah... I'm all good, bro... pretty far from the "bet the opposite of what that guy says narrative" you and Foxxy like to push...

 

Thanks for your concern, though 

 

Congrats on being right about Tyrod being the 12th alternate in a Pro-Bowl..

 

Also, you and just about everyone else knew Peterman sucked. 

 

Otherwise, such an awesome reputation of predictions ?

[Royale with Cheese]

10 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

 

Congrats on being right about Tyrod being the 12th alternate in a Pro-Bowl..

 

Also, you and just about everyone else knew Peterman sucked. 

 

Otherwise, such an awesome reputation of predictions ?

 

Don’t forget about EJ Manuel.

[Bangarang]

43 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Don’t forget about EJ Manuel.

 

I don’t remember the EJ stuff as much. The Tyrod drama is still too fresh in my mind.

Edited September 1, 2019 by Bangarang

[Mountain Man]

3 hours ago, JohninMinn. said:

You can't coach size. Best red zone target. We already have two other Fosters. Brown and Mckenzie. Get Duke back.

By that logic, Kelvin Benjamin should be the best receiver in the league 

[DCofNC]

I hear you on the height obsession here, there is a certain point to it, but without great athleticism to go with it, its not a huge deal.  A lot of smaller, more athletic guys can go up and get a ball, so a few inches difference isn't the end all.

[transplantbillsfan]

7 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Alternate Alert!!!!

 

Remember that is not enough for you to win our Allen wager this year. 

 

Yes, he was an alternate. But it's revisionist history to pretend that even calling an alternate for the Pro Bowl for him in 2015 was anything other than outlandish.

 

I know our bet.

 

 

7 hours ago, Foxx said:

no worries. when he loses his bet with me on Allen making the Pro Bowl, he will no longer be able to jinx the Bills for a year by making any prediction of any sort and then maybe we will be able to move ahead.

 

 

I'm sad for you that when Allen makes the Pro Bowl (1st selection) that you won't be able to just enjoy it.

[transplantbillsfan]

4 hours ago, Teddy KGB said:

 

 Your Tyrod Taylor Ted Talk is incendiary. 

 

Lmao @ citing that for some reason. 

 

Cited them because they're all examples of me being right.

 

I'm certainly not always right, but neither am I always wrong.

[transplantbillsfan]

2 hours ago, Bangarang said:

 

Congrats on being right about Tyrod being the 12th alternate in a Pro-Bowl..

 

Nice job with your twisted narrative and alternative facts.

 

2 hours ago, Bangarang said:

 

Also, you and just about everyone else knew Peterman sucked. 

 

What a bunch of horsecrap!

 

If you really believe that you belong in a white room with rubber walls... we don't want you hurting yourself.

 

2 hours ago, Bangarang said:

 

Otherwise, such an awesome reputation of predictions ?

 

Iago said it best: reputation is an idle and false imposition, oft got without merit and lost without deserving.

 

Don't give a crap about my reputation. I just don't like liars or twisted narratives.

 

 

You and my other fanboys can PM me if you wanna keep up this off topic discussion. It'll be more than happy to respond to your individual gripes.

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

16 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Nice job with your twisted narrative and alternative facts.

 

 

What a bunch of horsecrap!

 

If you really believe that you belong in a white room with rubber walls... we don't want you hurting yourself.

 

 

Iago said it best: reputation is an idle and false imposition, oft got without merit and lost without deserving.

 

Don't give a crap about my reputation. I just don't like liars or twisted narratives.

 

 

You and my other fanboys can PM me if you wanna keep up this off topic discussion. It'll be more than happy to respond to your individual gripes.

Dude you thought Duke should have a place on the team, but didn't think Zay was a lock lol. If Duke is ever able to disconnect the 100 pound weight he's dragging behind him he might have a chance. He's a 1980s-1990s type WR......the problem with that is it's 2019 and the game has totally changed. 

[One Buffalo]

 

[LSHMEAB]

4 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

He will be on the PS. 

Yep. Which means that no team claimed him and this hubbub about the cut will mean nothing. A few fades in the back of the EZ is what he brings to the table at this point. Maybe in 92 he'd have been a valuable, roster worthy player. 2019. Not so much. But the Duke dream will very likely be alive and well when he clears waivers and is available for call up at any time.

Edited September 1, 2019 by LSHMEAB

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

Just now, LSHMEAB said:

Yep. Which means that no team claimed him and this hubbub about the cut will mean nothing. A few fades in the back of the EZ is what he brings to the table at this point. Maybe in 92 he'd have been a valuable, roster worthy player. 2019. Not so much. But the Duke dream will very likely be alive and well if(which I suspect) he clears waivers and is available for call up at any time.

Absolutely bud. This is spot on. He doesn't have nearly the value everyone talked themselves into. A few plays a year...maybe.

[Charles Romes]

All teams are trying to find a way to get their 54th best player onto the roster. That’s why it’s always easier than you think to retain your #54.  

[KingBoots8]

Wish granted!

[transplantbillsfan]

12 minutes ago, One Buffalo said:

 

 

Good!!! That's all I wanted

[transplantbillsfan]

33 minutes ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:

Dude you thought Duke should have a place on the team, but didn't think Zay was a lock lol. If Duke is ever able to disconnect the 100 pound weight he's dragging behind him he might have a chance. He's a 1980s-1990s type WR......the problem with that is it's 2019 and the game has totally changed. 

 

If you've paid attention to my posts on Zay Jones over the last month or 2, I've been pretty emphatic that I don't think he should have been guaranteed the roster spot he's been penciled in, but that Beane has a weird undying love for him and that I thought he'd make it for that reason.

 

Been saying that for months.

 

And I honestly still think, at the very least, Zay should be our #4 WR behind Foster.

 

If I've phrased anything as I thought Zay would be cut for Duke, point it out to me. I thought and still think he should have been, but as I said in the OP, I wanted Duke to remain a Bill, and he has, so I'm good!

[3rdand12]

2 hours ago, Mountain Man said:

By that logic, Kelvin Benjamin should be the best receiver in the league 

except Duke Caught the ball. very very well. Benjamin ? Yikes. nothing compares to that pos
Tasker said he squeezed it.
he has value.

signed

 a Duke Williams fan

[Guest K-GunJimKelly12]

I feel like Duke Williams as a run blocker and red zone threat alone, would add more than a guy like Croom would as TE.

[3rdand12]

6 minutes ago, K-GunJimKelly12 said:

I feel like Duke Williams as a run blocker and red zone threat alone, would add more than a guy like Croom would as TE.

If they can keep him as a PS player he will get time to dial in the NFL style of play. Perhaps give him some duty as a hybrid TE. Croom used to line up outside, so is suspect Daboll could make good use of Duke. He is still raw from a NFL route running/blocking perspective.

7 minutes ago, K-GunJimKelly12 said:

I feel like Duke Williams as a run blocker and red zone threat alone, would add more than a guy like Croom would as TE.

Hopefully Croom has developed his route running and hands skills as well.

 More assets the better

Edited September 1, 2019 by 3rdand12

[transplantbillsfan]

And as for the "look!!! Duke wasn't claimed by another team so clearly he's just a scrub!!!"

 

Well... Duke might not ever become a solid contributor, but last year Robert Foster was cut from the Bills active roster mid season and went unclaimed.

 

Then we activated him for the last 7 games and he averaged 73 yards receiving per game.

 

Duke went unclaimed = He won't be a productive NFL player is bad logic.

[Foxx]

and... Foster was productive after being resigned ergo, Duke will be productive because we signed him to the practice squad is terrible logic.

 

before you say you didn't say that, no one said that, 'Duke went unclaimed = He won't be a productive NFL player, either. that is your strawman fallacy construct created for... only god knows what reason. i am just throwing your strawman fallacy back at cha...

 

oye!

Edited September 1, 2019 by Foxx

[Ta111]

Unless I am missing something Williams is the only WR on the PS. He will definitely get a chance on the 53. I believe, based upon Beane’s prior statements about needing big receivers in bad weather, that he will get his chance.

[Don Otreply]

Yup, Duke on the PS! And frankly if you’re on the PS you’re on the team,  happy for Duke. And 8k or more a week ain’t bad either.

 

Go Bills!!!

Edited September 1, 2019 by Don Otreply

[Bob in Mich]

Duke may yet have a role coming off the PS.  I just thought he would pass through waivers because he wasn't really a big name and he hadn't flashed a whole lot in preseason, even recalling his 2 TD catches.  There were over 1100 NFL players released yesterday, including 'name' players and nearly every GM agonized over their own last few cuts.  Anyway, he is now on our practice squad.  Hopefully he becomes one of our future success stories.

[Putin]

4 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

Yup, Duke on the PS! And frankly if you’re on the PS you’re on the team,  happy for Duke.

 

Go Bills!!!

Can a team activate a player from a PS for a single game and then put him back on PS ? 

[Don Otreply]

Just now, Putin said:

Can a team activate a player from a PS for a single game and then put him back on PS ? 

Likely can, just some shuffling of players, but the guy you send down has to clear waivers, and so would Duke if he is sent down again I would think??

[transplantbillsfan]

4 hours ago, Foxx said:

and... Foster was productive after being resigned ergo, Duke will be productive because we signed him to the practice squad is terrible logic.

 

Literally said Duke might never be a solid contributor. See the post above yours.

 

If you have a difficult time actually reading--seems you do--it's words 2-9 in the 2nd sentence.

 

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before you say you didn't say that, no one said that, 'Duke went unclaimed = He won't be a productive NFL player, either. that is your strawman fallacy construct created for... only god knows what reason. i am just throwing your strawman fallacy back at cha...

 

oye!

 

Uhhh, it was pretty clearly and obviously implicit in several posts...

 

oye!

Edited September 2, 2019 by transplantbillsfan

[Bangarang]

10 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Nice job with your twisted narrative and alternative facts.

 

If if you want to hang your hat on predicting Tyrod would make the pro-bowl even though he was an alternate then I guess you can have that victory.

 

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What a bunch of horsecrap!

 

If you really believe that you belong in a white room with rubber walls... we don't want you hurting yourself.

 

Do you think the majority of people thought Peterman was a capable starter? 

 

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Iago said it best: reputation is an idle and false imposition, oft got without merit and lost without deserving.

 

Don't give a crap about my reputation. I just don't like liars or twisted narratives.

 

What did did I lie about?

 

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You and my other fanboys can PM me if you wanna keep up this off topic discussion. It'll be more than happy to respond to your individual gripes.

 

I just like busting your chops, especially after the Tyrod fiasco 

[Punching Bag]

On 8/31/2019 at 1:29 PM, transplantbillsfan said:

Wait... did we keep 6 or 7 WRs?

 

Am I reading people saying we kept 7 and the 7th is Ray Ray?

 

If we did that, I think Beane made a stupid move.

 

Ray Ray sucks sucks.

 

Ray Ray is on Buffalo South (Panthers).

[Freddie's Dead]

16 hours ago, Putin said:

Can a team activate a player from a PS for a single game and then put him back on PS ? 

 

After clearing waivers, yes.

[Livinginthepast]

On 9/1/2019 at 9:11 AM, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:

,This makes no sense at all. One is a proven player in the NFL and one hasn't made an NFL roster since first trying out back in 2016, Duke is already 26 years old, but runs like he's 56 years old. The number 1 WR in the CFL playing against who at CB, guys who couldn't sniff an NFL roster?? Duke averaged less than 9 yards a catch against CBs that aren't on NFL rosters today. When you finally get your chance and it's against lower talent, you better dominate or you're not going to make the 53 man roster. Duke looks like he's dragging a tire behind him when he runs. He probably would've been a good WR in the 80s & 90s though, but with the speed of the game today you better be able to run or be shifty and run really good routes.

Zay is a "proven" player? in what respect? With respect to Duke good hands are good hands no matter what league you are in. They are not playing with Nerf footballs in the CFL BTW. I just think overall there is a bias vs guys who the league passed over. Many NFL teams attach a stigma to a guy like Williams because they think he is lesser. No matter what he does, he has to work harder than guys who made it already ( and may be disappointing like Zay).

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

6 minutes ago, Livinginthepast said:

Zay is a "proven" player? in what respect? With respect to Duke good hands are good hands no matter what league you are in. They are not playing with Nerf footballs in the CFL BTW. I just think overall there is a bias vs guys who the league passed over. Many NFL teams attach a stigma to a guy like Williams because they think he is lesser. No matter what he does, he has to work harder than guys who made it already ( and may be disappointing like Zay).

  1.) I didn't say Zay has proven to be a great or even good player, but he is a proven player especially in this comparison. 2.) Maybe Duke has to work harder but it's because he screwed up a bunch of times, it's not like he messed up once or twice, it's all been self-inflicted. He needs to be the one to dig himself out of the hole he dug, no one can do that for him 3.) Zay's not the one that's disappointing between the two. Duke had the opportunity to play for a SEC Team and blew it. He tried out with the Rams in 2016 and couldn't land a spot on any NFL team, Since 2016 through at least to start the season 2019 he has failed to make a 53 man roster. He wasn't claimed by a single team when he was just cut and put on waivers. Not even by the Pats*** who could use some help at WR especially early on this year and have shown they aren't afraid to take a chance on a player. 

 

   Zay on the other hand was drafted in the second round two years ago and has been a starter in 25 of his 32 games as a Bill. He's made much more of his opportunities, not squandered them. Duke trying to turn his life around and make the 53 man roster is a great story and here's hoping he can. But I can't see him sticking on a NFL roster as is, he's the equivalent of a specialty player. One more thing....they may not play with Nerf footballs in the CFL, but they also don't play with NFL talent.