From Jet Nation: Wk 1 gameplan

[eball]

10 hours ago, SoTier said:

Actually, Pedersen, McVay, Reich, and Nagy were all totally unproven when they were hired.  That Gase failed in his first HC gig doesn't mean that he'll never be a good HC.

 

No, it doesn't, but he's got baggage now, and I don't know about you but I'm not seeing great leadership qualities in that guy.

[BruceVilanch]

15 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Does Bennie know Saturday nights all right for fighting?

It looks like he already has a belly full of beer.

[JaCrispy]

15 hours ago, GETTOTHE50 said:

i expect the bills to beat the jets easily, like 33-10. bills have better coaching and will play much more as a cohesive unit as a result.

 

make their line run around and force their linebackers to cover by utilizing screen passes, counters, and swing passes.

 

 

I think you are severely underestimating the Jets...we can certainly win but I think it will be a lot closer than you predict 

[WhitewalkerInPhilly]

Geez, they are a cocky bunch.

 

I think they clearly have not been paying attention to what Allen has done this offseason (for the most part, there are surprisingly a few sharp posters) and they seem to think that if they "keep Allen in the pocket" it's an easy win. 

 

I'll be honest, now that sports betting is legal near me, I think I have to lay money on the Bills in week 1. 

[Golden*Wheels]

Wheels week one gameplan:

take a jog

eat Breakfast
eat entire Medicinal Chocolate bar (recommended serving size be damned)
Bills game

And from there we just gonna see where the day takes me....

 

 

 

SCREW THE JETS!!!

[CLTbills]

13 hours ago, VTBman said:

Hello, all! Visiting Jet fan here ...

 

After reading predictions here, they span the usual gamut of conservative/pessimistic to irrational (just like on the Jet boards I frequent.) It IS interesting to me to learn more about how you guys view your team, and where there is progress and where there are concerns. From my less informed perspective, you guys are at least a year ahead of the Jets in terms of emerging from the Dark Ages. Having the front office in place, drafting competently, signing but not reaching on free agents - you guys are doing much better/further along in the culture building process.  The Jets "may" be heading in the right direction - unfortunately, it takes time to tell if it's going well or if it's going to be another sh*t show.

 

Starting talent wise, I think the teams are fairly well matched - with both teams having hopes for their QB's - and trying to get some talent around them and to protect them. You have a distinct advantage by being in the second year of your coaching regime: I think it's really underrated how being able to start a year in an established offensive and defensive system propels a team closer to achievement, and you are deeper. The Jets are paper thin (or bereft) at key positions like CB.

 

The only factor I would say is being underestimated is that the previous Jets coaching staff (other than special teams) was just HORRENDOUS. Everything from game management to evaluation of talent to scheme to whatever - just maddening. Frustrating as a fan. The previous Jet GM - Mr. Coffee - let our only two Pro Bowl players walk (I believe you guys have Roberts - he's a keeper) as part of his "strategy" of improving the team, being a cheap skate when he had cap money to burn (because we had so few players drafted over the past five years who were worth resigning to second contracts - almost none.) 

 

So short and simple, whatever talent the Jets had was poorly coached and utilized - so you may see some guys deployed in ways that maximize their talents - which for us Jet fans is a novelty. We lost a lot of games last year in the fourth quarter by playing "not to lose." (I think we had one game last year where we got a "delay of game" penalty on the first offensive play right after receiving the kickoff - it was enough to get you to switch to hard liquor from beer even before eating at halftime.) Whatever talent there is on the team was badly under-coached. We shall see if our previously mediocre guys start actually looking like NFL players.

 

So - in summary - good luck, no injuries, and I think we are seeing two teams emerge from some dark years. (I'm 60+ and started my years of masochism in the early 70's.)  I think we can always agree with the sentiment "Anyone but the Cheatriots." I live in VT, and God, do I want to see the NE fan base suffer - for decades. They are insufferable, especially the younger bandwagon types.  An example of how I feel comes from one Jet board poster, who when asked by another contributor if the intro press conference of Joe Douglass, our new GM, was "a success", responded with "Well, since he didn't reach down and pull Brady's severed head out of a canvas bag, I'd say no."  

 

 

Thanks for dropping in, and thanks for bringing well thought-out material to the board. As much as I dislike the Jets, it would be cool to see the Bills and the Jets be the future of the division and have great battles for years to come, all while beating the living hell out of the patriots for the next decade and a half.

 

Good luck to your Jets this season!

[WhitewalkerInPhilly]

As to our gameplan, well, I want to see how Darnold does in week 3, but right now it seems like the best answer there is to keep applying interior pressure. With Bell, they would need to be aggressive at the line, but I trust our secondary to keep pace with their receivers.

 

From the Jets fans, their secondary is attrocious. I suspect that they will be putting extra coverage on Beasley, so I would challenge them on the edges early. We saw in week 1 that Allen can change plays at the line to take advantage of John Brown and the cushion he gets.

[SoTier]

2 hours ago, eball said:

 

No, it doesn't, but he's got baggage now, and I don't know about you but I'm not seeing great leadership qualities in that guy.

 

If Gase were the Bills HC I'm sure you'd see lots of "great leadership qualities" in him.

[eball]

2 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

If Gase were the Bills HC I'm sure you'd see lots of "great leadership qualities" in him.

 

Dude, don't be an ass and try sticking to the subject.  I know that's difficult for you.

 

Do you think Gase has shown strong leadership qualities?  By contrast, has McDermott?

[DCofNC]

Any given Sunday... buuuut I feel the Jets are in for a miserable season.  I could see the entire AFC East combined not winng as many games as the Pats too, so who knows.  So many "ifs" this year.  Bills and Jets are both kinda wild cards.

[PromoTheRobot]

1 hour ago, Golden*Wheels said:

Wheels week one gameplan:

take a jog

eat Breakfast
eat entire Medicinal Chocolate bar (recommended serving size be damned)
Bills game

And from there we just gonna see where the day takes me....

 

 

 

SCREW THE JETS!!!

 

Edited August 23, 2019 by PromoTheRobot

[Forward Progress]

2 hours ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said:

Geez, they are a cocky bunch.

 

I think they clearly have not been paying attention to what Allen has done this offseason (for the most part, there are surprisingly a few sharp posters) and they seem to think that if they "keep Allen in the pocket" it's an easy win. 

 

I'll be honest, now that sports betting is legal near me, I think I have to lay money on the Bills in week 1. 

 

Jets fans are clearly paying close attention to ESPN, the national media coverage and some kid named Brandon who, based on Josh Allen's stats from high school, junior college and Wyoming have determined that Josh Allen and any team foolish enough to draft Josh Allen will be easily beaten in 2019 against every NFL team and the top 5 ranked college teams.  
 

I do believe the Jets have improved this offseason, and I think Darnold will be a good QB for many years.  We have also improved and our defense will make life tough for the Jets offense, while Josh has shown that he is learning to read the defense, make adjustments at the line and take whatever the defense is giving.

 

I like being the underdog.  I like gliding under the radar and I will enjoy lurking on the Jets board after the first game when they have to deal with losing to an inferior opponent that everyone said they should beat.

 

Edited August 23, 2019 by Forward Progress

[PromoTheRobot]

16 hours ago, jletha said:

Yea thats true of course. But its not that Vegas *really* thinks were going to win 9 games but setting it at 5.5-6 will get equal money. In a scenario like setting total teams over/under before a season the line has to be set very close to true value.

 

Except that the moneyline on that prop bets keeps getting worse. Right now it's -180 on the over. So the number of wins predicted stays the same. But the payouts on the over gets less and less attractive because too much money is going there.

[SCBills]

It seems many over there are operating under the assumption that our QB is a joke.  

 

Im very excited to see Josh flip that narrative on its head this year.  

 

He was dynamic down the stretch last year, is now on a much upgraded team and (albeit preseason) looks to have cleaned up the things that were of concern coming into the league. 

[Freddie's Dead]

Gonna be so satisfying to ram it down Gregggggggggggs throat.

[DCofNC]

1 hour ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said:

As to our gameplan, well, I want to see how Darnold does in week 3, but right now it seems like the best answer there is to keep applying interior pressure. With Bell, they would need to be aggressive at the line, but I trust our secondary to keep pace with their receivers.

 

From the Jets fans, their secondary is attrocious. I suspect that they will be putting extra coverage on Beasley, so I would challenge them on the edges early. We saw in week 1 that Allen can change plays at the line to take advantage of John Brown and the cushion he gets.

 They can't roll coverage to Beasley without being exposed on the outside, he's going to have room to work all year.  Brown and Foster are too much risk to worry about the 6 yard pick ups.

[eball]

11 minutes ago, Freddie's Dead said:

Gonna be so satisfying to ram it down Gregggggggggggs throat.

 

Yeah that goes triple for me.  There are few, if any, coaches in the league I despise more.

[Benjamin Franklin]

19 hours ago, Joe in Winslow said:

I may have to remake my screen name to "Gregg Williams Pressure"

 

That's just too good.

 

 

I will go with Rex-Genius. 

 

Allen vs Darnold will be fun to watch develop. But last year’s Bills offense had one starting lineman in common with this year’s (and the guys who are gone are either bagging groceries or will be soon). Same with WRs. If the offense isn’t significantly better, I will be shocked. 

Edited August 23, 2019 by Benjamin Franklin

[eball]

You just know Gregggggg will be telling his D-linemen that "their C is just one good knock away from being taken out of the ballgame." 

[BarleyNY]

19 hours ago, benderbender said:

Must be so easy to be a Jests fan. What do we do when we want to encourage our offense? Spell the team name! Our D needs a stop? Spell the team name! Where do we play our games? In another state!

 

The good news for them is that in Greggg’s defensive scheme the deep safety will actually be in the state of New York.  So they got that going for them. 

 

There is certainly a lot of talent on the Jest defense - particularly the DL and up the middle with Mosley and Adams - but I have no faith in Greggg’s scheme.  It’s tailor-made to abuse bad offenses and get shredded by good ones.  That’s obviously a concern with how ours was and I’d rather play them a little later in the season after our offense has had time to gel, but these are the kinds of games we have to win if we want to go to the playoffs.  Can’t wait to see what we have.  This game will tell us a lot about the 2019 Bills. 

[jletha]

39 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

Except that the moneyline on that prop bets keeps getting worse. Right now it's -180 on the over. So the number of wins predicted stays the same. But the payouts on the over gets less and less attractive because too much money is going there.

Yea I saw we have the most money on the over in the NFL. I do think Vegas got us wrong, 7 likely would have been a better line.

[BarleyNY]

14 hours ago, VTBman said:

Hello, all! Visiting Jet fan here ...

 

After reading predictions here, they span the usual gamut of conservative/pessimistic to irrational (just like on the Jet boards I frequent.) It IS interesting to me to learn more about how you guys view your team, and where there is progress and where there are concerns. From my less informed perspective, you guys are at least a year ahead of the Jets in terms of emerging from the Dark Ages. Having the front office in place, drafting competently, signing but not reaching on free agents - you guys are doing much better/further along in the culture building process.  The Jets "may" be heading in the right direction - unfortunately, it takes time to tell if it's going well or if it's going to be another sh*t show.

 

Starting talent wise, I think the teams are fairly well matched - with both teams having hopes for their QB's - and trying to get some talent around them and to protect them. You have a distinct advantage by being in the second year of your coaching regime: I think it's really underrated how being able to start a year in an established offensive and defensive system propels a team closer to achievement, and you are deeper. The Jets are paper thin (or bereft) at key positions like CB.

 

The only factor I would say is being underestimated is that the previous Jets coaching staff (other than special teams) was just HORRENDOUS. Everything from game management to evaluation of talent to scheme to whatever - just maddening. Frustrating as a fan. The previous Jet GM - Mr. Coffee - let our only two Pro Bowl players walk (I believe you guys have Roberts - he's a keeper) as part of his "strategy" of improving the team, being a cheap skate when he had cap money to burn (because we had so few players drafted over the past five years who were worth resigning to second contracts - almost none.) 

 

So short and simple, whatever talent the Jets had was poorly coached and utilized - so you may see some guys deployed in ways that maximize their talents - which for us Jet fans is a novelty. We lost a lot of games last year in the fourth quarter by playing "not to lose." (I think we had one game last year where we got a "delay of game" penalty on the first offensive play right after receiving the kickoff - it was enough to get you to switch to hard liquor from beer even before eating at halftime.) Whatever talent there is on the team was badly under-coached. We shall see if our previously mediocre guys start actually looking like NFL players.

 

So - in summary - good luck, no injuries, and I think we are seeing two teams emerge from some dark years. (I'm 60+ and started my years of masochism in the early 70's.)  I think we can always agree with the sentiment "Anyone but the Cheatriots." I live in VT, and God, do I want to see the NE fan base suffer - for decades. They are insufferable, especially the younger bandwagon types.  An example of how I feel comes from one Jet board poster, who when asked by another contributor if the intro press conference of Joe Douglass, our new GM, was "a success", responded with "Well, since he didn't reach down and pull Brady's severed head out of a canvas bag, I'd say no."  

 

 

 

Thanks for your post.  I think the Jets have some real talent being built.  It’s not finished to be sure, but there are definitely more pieces in place than a lot of teams.  You’ve got that going for you.  In particular I am interested to see how Darnold develops (surprise, surprise).  

 

What I don’t like is your FO and coaching staff.  I don’t think it was wise to invest so much cap space into a RB and an ILB that excels against the run.  They’re definitely excellent players and Bell will help in the passing game as an outlet, but I do not see those positions as deserving so much money (except LBs that cover particularly well in addition to playing the run well).

 

I’m not a big believer in Gase and I despise Gregg Williams’ defensive scheme.  I am a Cleveland native and now live in Buffalo so I’ve seen plenty of Greggg.  And he brought his son with him which makes things much worse.  While Greggg is abrasive, his issue is his stubborn adherence to a scheme that doesn’t work anymore - at least not against good offenses.  His son is a real problem though.  He is apparently not only a huge a-hole but a completely incompetent coach.  Sorry.  That’s the word from the Browns.

 

Again, thanks for stopping by and being polite.  I didn’t really mean to rip on your team as much as I did (though I haven’t been easy on the Bills and Browns in the past).  I think they’ve got real building blocks there - especially if Darnold hits - and that you’ll do decently this season (.500ish).  You just need to flip your brass to the right group to get to the playoffs. 

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

15 hours ago, VTBman said:

Hello, all! Visiting Jet fan here ...

 

After reading predictions here, they span the usual gamut of conservative/pessimistic to irrational (just like on the Jet boards I frequent.) It IS interesting to me to learn more about how you guys view your team, and where there is progress and where there are concerns. From my less informed perspective, you guys are at least a year ahead of the Jets in terms of emerging from the Dark Ages. Having the front office in place, drafting competently, signing but not reaching on free agents - you guys are doing much better/further along in the culture building process.  The Jets "may" be heading in the right direction - unfortunately, it takes time to tell if it's going well or if it's going to be another sh*t show.

 

Starting talent wise, I think the teams are fairly well matched - with both teams having hopes for their QB's - and trying to get some talent around them and to protect them. You have a distinct advantage by being in the second year of your coaching regime: I think it's really underrated how being able to start a year in an established offensive and defensive system propels a team closer to achievement, and you are deeper. The Jets are paper thin (or bereft) at key positions like CB.

 

The only factor I would say is being underestimated is that the previous Jets coaching staff (other than special teams) was just HORRENDOUS. Everything from game management to evaluation of talent to scheme to whatever - just maddening. Frustrating as a fan. The previous Jet GM - Mr. Coffee - let our only two Pro Bowl players walk (I believe you guys have Roberts - he's a keeper) as part of his "strategy" of improving the team, being a cheap skate when he had cap money to burn (because we had so few players drafted over the past five years who were worth resigning to second contracts - almost none.) 

 

So short and simple, whatever talent the Jets had was poorly coached and utilized - so you may see some guys deployed in ways that maximize their talents - which for us Jet fans is a novelty. We lost a lot of games last year in the fourth quarter by playing "not to lose." (I think we had one game last year where we got a "delay of game" penalty on the first offensive play right after receiving the kickoff - it was enough to get you to switch to hard liquor from beer even before eating at halftime.) Whatever talent there is on the team was badly under-coached. We shall see if our previously mediocre guys start actually looking like NFL players.

 

So - in summary - good luck, no injuries, and I think we are seeing two teams emerge from some dark years. (I'm 60+ and started my years of masochism in the early 70's.)  I think we can always agree with the sentiment "Anyone but the Cheatriots." I live in VT, and God, do I want to see the NE fan base suffer - for decades. They are insufferable, especially the younger bandwagon types.  An example of how I feel comes from one Jet board poster, who when asked by another contributor if the intro press conference of Joe Douglass, our new GM, was "a success", responded with "Well, since he didn't reach down and pull Brady's severed head out of a canvas bag, I'd say no."  

 

 

 

I agree pretty much across the board - Terrible GM and Bowles didn't have it. 

 

I just worry that Adam Gase doesn't either - his time in Miami was not a success and he's never been the offensive guru that he claims to be.  Not to mention we played Miami the last 2 years in week 17, and not only did the team seem checked out - so did Gase.  The list of candidates they interviewed was incredibly uninspiring, but they didn't get Mike McCarthy so I guess that's a positive.  

 

I also hate the position they put their GM in, not letting him factor into the coaching search/roster building as he was hired months after FA and the Draft. 

[starrymessenger]

I agree with the poster who said it will be fun to watch. Allen vs Darnold, maybe a first glimpse and a preview of the next ten years in the AFC East. 

I think they may be under estimating our run game, including the short passing game to RBs. I expect a close game.

[BullBuchanan]

I'm worried mostly about Bell and Darnold. Bell has had our number so far, and I really hope our Run D is at the point where they can contain him.

I know everyone is down on him because of the one-year layoff, but he's healthy and should be fresh.

[dubs]

21 hours ago, Stank_Nasty said:

I get what it means dude... it means its 2 evenly matched teams with them giving the slight edge to home team. so their fans talking like its gonna be a romp is foolish.

 

Also, week 1 is very difficult to handicap. By week 3 or 4 they will be a lot more on point. Week 1 though, way too much different from previous year and add in the public sways. 

 

I dont think much much of the Jets. Feel like it’s a 65% chance Bills win. Maybe 66%. ? 

[Stank_Nasty]

2 minutes ago, dubs said:

 

Also, week 1 is very difficult to handicap. By week 3 or 4 they will be a lot more on point. Week 1 though, way too much different from previous year and add in the public sways. 

 

I dont think much much of the Jets. Feel like it’s a 65% chance Bills win. Maybe 66%. ? 

I think we end up with a better record than the jets this year but i'm gonna give them the edge week 1. not a big edge, but a slight one..... if I had to put a number on it i'd say 45% confident in a bills win week 1.

[frostbitmic]

I'm predicting fisticuffs between Gase and 3G Williams

[frostbitmic]

40 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

I'm worried mostly about Bell and Darnold. Bell has had our number so far, and I really hope our Run D is at the point where they can contain him.

I know everyone is down on him because of the one-year layoff, but he's healthy and should be fresh.

He also just got paid big $$$ ... He may not give his  best effort anymore.

 

Darnold is a turnover machine, not worried about him.

Edited August 23, 2019 by frostbitmic

[Logic]

18 hours ago, VTBman said:

Hello, all! Visiting Jet fan here ...

 

After reading predictions here, they span the usual gamut of conservative/pessimistic to irrational (just like on the Jet boards I frequent.) It IS interesting to me to learn more about how you guys view your team, and where there is progress and where there are concerns. From my less informed perspective, you guys are at least a year ahead of the Jets in terms of emerging from the Dark Ages. Having the front office in place, drafting competently, signing but not reaching on free agents - you guys are doing much better/further along in the culture building process.  The Jets "may" be heading in the right direction - unfortunately, it takes time to tell if it's going well or if it's going to be another sh*t show.

 

Starting talent wise, I think the teams are fairly well matched - with both teams having hopes for their QB's - and trying to get some talent around them and to protect them. You have a distinct advantage by being in the second year of your coaching regime: I think it's really underrated how being able to start a year in an established offensive and defensive system propels a team closer to achievement, and you are deeper. The Jets are paper thin (or bereft) at key positions like CB.

 

The only factor I would say is being underestimated is that the previous Jets coaching staff (other than special teams) was just HORRENDOUS. Everything from game management to evaluation of talent to scheme to whatever - just maddening. Frustrating as a fan. The previous Jet GM - Mr. Coffee - let our only two Pro Bowl players walk (I believe you guys have Roberts - he's a keeper) as part of his "strategy" of improving the team, being a cheap skate when he had cap money to burn (because we had so few players drafted over the past five years who were worth resigning to second contracts - almost none.) 

 

So short and simple, whatever talent the Jets had was poorly coached and utilized - so you may see some guys deployed in ways that maximize their talents - which for us Jet fans is a novelty. We lost a lot of games last year in the fourth quarter by playing "not to lose." (I think we had one game last year where we got a "delay of game" penalty on the first offensive play right after receiving the kickoff - it was enough to get you to switch to hard liquor from beer even before eating at halftime.) Whatever talent there is on the team was badly under-coached. We shall see if our previously mediocre guys start actually looking like NFL players.

 

So - in summary - good luck, no injuries, and I think we are seeing two teams emerge from some dark years. (I'm 60+ and started my years of masochism in the early 70's.)  I think we can always agree with the sentiment "Anyone but the Cheatriots." I live in VT, and God, do I want to see the NE fan base suffer - for decades. They are insufferable, especially the younger bandwagon types.  An example of how I feel comes from one Jet board poster, who when asked by another contributor if the intro press conference of Joe Douglass, our new GM, was "a success", responded with "Well, since he didn't reach down and pull Brady's severed head out of a canvas bag, I'd say no."  

 

 

Great first post!

I agree with a lot of what you said. 

Adam Gase is a big old open book, as far as I'm concerned. It is entirely possible that he gets more out of some Jets players that were "wasted" under the previous regime. It is also possible that he shows more of what he showed in Miami: a consistently .500 level of football, a proclivity for certain players to either tune him out or go to the press about their frustrations, and a below average offense despite his pedigree as an offensive genius. Time will tell. It's simple to me: If Gase turns out to be a good coach, and the Miami stint was an aberration, then the Jets will be really good immediately. If he proves to be the guy we all thought he was when he was with Miami, they'll be just good enough to eek out Wild Card spots but not good enough to be elite. The Jets have the QB in place, they have some weapons, they have some cornerstone defensive players...it's all about the coach.

Welcome to the boards! I've started posting over at JetsNation as JoshAllenSZN (which is an admittedly obnoxious screenname), in an effort to talk some X's and O's with the opposition in a productive fashion. I quite like most of the people I've encountered over there so far!

Hope you stick around. Enjoy the season!

[NickelCity]

I think they're right in that their DLine vs our OLine will have the largest impact on the game. I like Darnold, and he can consistently move the chains. I expect a close game. If we lose, I'll be devastated. And TBD will be doom and gloom. 

[Reader]

53 minutes ago, NickelCity said:

I think they're right in that their DLine vs our OLine will have the largest impact on the game. I like Darnold, and he can consistently move the chains. I expect a close game. If we lose, I'll be devastated. And TBD will be doom and gloom. 

 

I expect a close game too. My rule of thumb is that if both teams fans consider themselves the likely winners then the teams are probably close to being evenly matched. I'm sure there are Jets fans over there who don't understand our team and simply scoff at the idea that the Bills could even compete with a 52.8% Qb, a concussed center, a Wr less sure handed than Zay Jones, and a slot receiver.

[eball]

@VTBman what's up with Q Williams not being slated to start?