[Name Only Title] Foster

[tbonehawaii]

 I wonder why he has slipped down the depth chart? 

[mrags]

He ran a wrong route and a few misses tonight. He’s got to get into a groove. 

[Alphadawg7]

32 minutes ago, mrags said:

He ran a wrong route and a few misses tonight. He’s got to get into a groove. 

 

This ^

 

Not sure if he ran a wrong route or if MB made the mistake and thought he was running a different one.  

 

But overall I think it’s just about tightening up his game and the little things more than anything based on what coaches have said.

[JoPar_v2]

39 minutes ago, tbonehawaii said:

 I wonder why he has slipped down the depth chart? 

 

Not a criticism, just a tip - make your title more descriptive, not just the guy's name. 

 

He's slipped down because he's sucked this year.

 

Perhaps he has to play so bad he get's cut, then gets motivated and resigned and tears it up? Worked for him in the past.

Edited August 9, 2019 by JoPar_v2

[Nelius]

Didn't he deal with similar issues last year? Sloppy play, bad routes, etc. I vaguely remember him kind of falling out of favor at one point pretty early last season.

 

Loved him late last season but man, wide receiver is getting interesting. McKenzie has only made plays since he got here and I think he's going to dark horse his way on to the roster. I didn't think that months ago so am really interested to see how this all shakes out. 

[Mark Vader]

23 minutes ago, Nelius said:

Didn't he deal with similar issues last year? Sloppy play, bad routes, etc. I vaguely remember him kind of falling out of favor at one point pretty early last season.

 

Loved him late last season but man, wide receiver is getting interesting. McKenzie has only made plays since he got here and I think he's going to dark horse his way on to the roster. I didn't think that months ago so am really interested to see how this all shakes out. 

Foster had a very rough preseason last year.

 

I don't think he is in danger of being cut, but tonight's performance did not help him.

 

I agree that it looks like he just needs to tighten his game better.

[metzelaars_lives]

You do not cut a second year receiver that had a rookie season like Robert Foster.  It would be almost without precedent.  The fact that he was a UDFA is irrelevant at this point.  If he was drafted in the third round last year, you’d be like, wow that dude had a great rookie season for a third rounder.  Now imagine cutting that player after one season.  He would be scooped up and on another team’s active roster within a matter of minutes.  Stop with this nonsense.

[JoPar_v2]

1 minute ago, metzelaars_lives said:

You do not cut a second year receiver that had a rookie season like Robert Foster.  It would be almost without precedent.  The fact that he was a UDFA is irrelevant at this point.  If he was drafted in the third round last year, you’d be like, wow that dude had a great rookie season for a third rounder.  Now imagine cutting that player after one season.  He would be scooped up and on another team’s active roster within a matter of minutes.  Stop with this nonsense.

 

So only past performance matters. got it. How is it "nonsense" to (correctly) point out that he is struggling again, and in the face of the new signings of Brown and Beasley and with RayRay and McKenzie obviously playing at a higher level than last year, if you believe the reports from camp, how can you dismiss people questioning his future? Sorry but it sounds like you're reading some reality and you don't like it so you're just dismissing it.

[Nelius]

I don't think it's nonsense. I'm a huge Robert Foster fan and hope he goes on to magically be the #1 that every fanbase has always dreamed about, I'm just sensing a logjam and wonder if he could end up being the odd man out if he doesn't show the ***** up this preseason. He's happened to just drift down the depth chart during the preseason two years in a row now. I don't think it's crazy to question with the current WR depth if he could be the odd man out.

[Rc2catch]

He has shown he can make plays, problem now is there’s a lot more talent around him so his mistakes shine a little brighter than last years. I don’t think he’s a cut candidate at all but I think he’s going to have to earn every snap he sees come week 1 and on. 

[JoPar_v2]

10 minutes ago, Rc2catch said:

He has shown he can make plays, problem now is there’s a lot more talent around him so his mistakes shine a little brighter than last years. I don’t think he’s a cut candidate at all but I think he’s going to have to earn every snap he sees come week 1 and on. 

 

I think he's very much a cut candidate, all depends on how many WR they decide to keep. Biggest problem for Foster, in addition to his piss poor camp, is Brown is here now and he does what Foster does, but better.

Edited August 9, 2019 by JoPar_v2

[Rc2catch]

1 minute ago, JoPar_v2 said:

 

I think he's very much a cut candidate, all depends on how many WR they decide to keep. Biggest problem for Foster, despite his piss poor camp, is Brown is here now and he does what Foster does, but better.

If we’re talking 

brown 

Beasley 

zay?

roberts 

 

i just cant see foster being cut over the remaining guys. He’s cheap and flashed big time playmaking that few receivers can do last year. Of course I don’t see what the coaches see. And only god knows what Beane might do. Could see foster or zay shipped off for a mid to late round pick or something crazy 

[JoPar_v2]

1 minute ago, Rc2catch said:

If we’re talking 

brown 

Beasley 

zay?

roberts 

 

i just cant see foster being cut over the remaining guys. He’s cheap and flashed big time playmaking that few receivers can do last year. Of course I don’t see what the coaches see. And only god knows what Beane might do. Could see foster or zay shipped off for a mid to late round pick or something crazy 

 

Yeah I got you. Like I said I think it depends on how many they decide to keep. 7? Foster's safe. But I think Daboll likes guys like RayRay and McKenzie. Sills is probably dust and Duke is long gone, probably sooner rather than later. 

 

Even if they do keep him, how many meaningful snaps is he getting? Best thing Foster's got going for him is the rapport he developed with Allen after he came back from injury. Looked Great! But McDermott doesn't seem like the coach to give a guy a roster spot based on past performance alone. Foster was playing with the threes last night, after all.

[Rc2catch]

2 hours ago, JoPar_v2 said:

 

Yeah I got you. Like I said I think it depends on how many they decide to keep. 7? Foster's safe. But I think Daboll likes guys like RayRay and McKenzie. Sills is probably dust and Duke is long gone, probably sooner rather than later. 

 

Even if they do keep him, how many meaningful snaps is he getting? Best thing Foster's got going for him is the rapport he developed with Allen after he came back from injury. Looked Great! But McDermott doesn't seem like the coach to give a guy a roster spot based on past performance alone. Foster was playing with the threes last night, after all.

Yeah he does seem to be in the dog house right now. But still a lot of practices and preseason snaps to go. And injuries happen. Might be some of these guys best shot at making the team. 

[Solomon Grundy]

6 hours ago, Rc2catch said:

If we’re talking 

brown 

Beasley 

zay?

roberts 

 

i just cant see foster being cut over the remaining guys. He’s cheap and flashed big time playmaking that few receivers can do last year. Of course I don’t see what the coaches see. And only god knows what Beane might do. Could see foster or zay shipped off for a mid to late round pick or something crazy 

Anybody else see Zay getting traded? He had a couple drops and Cam Phillips has looked good in camp and last night.

[MJS]

6 hours ago, metzelaars_lives said:

You do not cut a second year receiver that had a rookie season like Robert Foster.  It would be almost without precedent.  The fact that he was a UDFA is irrelevant at this point.  If he was drafted in the third round last year, you’d be like, wow that dude had a great rookie season for a third rounder.  Now imagine cutting that player after one season.  He would be scooped up and on another team’s active roster within a matter of minutes.  Stop with this nonsense.

Not true. The same happened to Karlos Williams, although for different reasons.

[formerlyofCtown]

6 hours ago, JoPar_v2 said:

 

I think he's very much a cut candidate, all depends on how many WR they decide to keep. Biggest problem for Foster, in addition to his piss poor camp, is Brown is here now and he does what Foster does, but better.

With a 2nd year player it is still about potential and he has shown he can hit that potential.  We have no other WR with a ceiling as high as his.

11 minutes ago, the skycap said:

Anybody else see Zay getting traded? He had a couple drops and Cam Phillips has looked good in camp and last night.

Yes we will trade everyone, so that when we have injuries we will not have anyone to throw to.

 

Its game one of the preseason.  Dont get too high or low on anything or anyone.  Peterman was our Preseason MVP last season.

Edited August 9, 2019 by formerlyofCtown

[nucci]

8 hours ago, tbonehawaii said:

 I wonder why he has slipped down the depth chart? 

because others are playing better?

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

7 hours ago, Mark Vader said:

Foster had a very rough preseason last year.

 

I don't think he is in danger of being cut, but tonight's performance did not help him.

 

I agree that it looks like he just needs to tighten his game better.

 

Could see him being trade bait.  

 

Seems like his issue is motivation, likely getting traded would again shake him up and he'd have a great year.

 

Maybe team needs to leak to press he's in danger of being cut, then see how he reacts next two weeks.

[dollars 2 donuts]

Do you think he slipped into the sophomore slump, like Dion did last year?

 

Maybe believing too much n the hype of his second half last year ad not enough work ad focus now.

[billsfan_34]

He was pretty bad last night- very disappointing 

36 minutes ago, the skycap said:

Anybody else see Zay getting traded? He had a couple drops and Cam Phillips has looked good in camp and last night.

Zay has the dropsies again

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

We have a QB that loves the deep ball and the only two receivers on our roster that are consistently capable of running those routes are Brown and Foster. If anything, Beasely, McCloud and Mekenzie are redundant. Not sure we have room for three receivers that bring the same thing to the table.

[dorquemada]

50 minutes ago, formerlyofCtown said:

With a 2nd year player it is still about potential and he has shown he can hit that potential.  We have no other WR with a ceiling as high as his.

Yes we will trade everyone, so that when we have injuries we will not have anyone to throw to.

 

Its game one of the preseason.  Dont get too high or low on anything or anyone.  Peterman was our Preseason MVP last season.

Good God, thank you.  I'm so glad that OBD doesn't take into account the hysterical over reaction of the posters here

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

3 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

Keep Foster, trade Zay if your guna trade any WR.

 

 

I'd be OK with that too, give him these next two games to dazzle, if not then yeah trade him. Probably Zay has more trade value too.

 

Seems like the Bills have 3 to 4 WR all about the same abilities of eachother, none probably have quite the potential of Zay, but so far far he hasn't quite been able to fulfill it.  So if Zay were gone, would allow 2 of these others to make roster.  Likely be some drop off in talent overall, but not huge.

 

IMO there's maybe 4 players on the Bills roster that you could trade who have some value, but at the same time, enough other quality depth that wouldn't see much drop off to Buffalo.  They are Zay, Lawson, Shady, Croom, and maybe one of these O-lineman we signed this off season who's not going to make the roster this year due to more overall talent.  I doubt losing any of these guys would be much of a negative impact to the Bills this coming season.

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[GoBills808]

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[T master]

If Zay continues to drop passes Foster could be moving up the depth chart ! Jones may be a decent WR but there has been something (and i can't put my finger on it) that i haven't liked about him ?.

 

There are others that i think could be a better fit for the Bills Stills, Foster, & Cam may be a better fit ...

[Victory Formation]

He strikes me as a developmental player that should see time only when our starters need oxygen.

[GoBills808]

He's a McD/Daboll pet project...if he gets cut he well and truly deserved it imo

[Bevis]

On 8/9/2019 at 9:38 AM, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

We have a QB that loves the deep ball and the only two receivers on our roster that are consistently capable of running those routes are Brown and Foster. If anything, Beasely, McCloud and Mekenzie are redundant. Not sure we have room for three receivers that bring the same thing to the table.

 

They may need that depth, I think Allen will be forcing the checkdowns this year, better have a stable of slot receivers.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

Zay dropped 1 ball in the game Thursday. 

 

If he dropped all 5 then I can see the cut him angle.  

 

Between the 2 Foster is the odd man out IMO. 

1 hour ago, T master said:

If Zay continues to drop passes Foster could be moving up the depth chart ! Jones may be a decent WR but there has been something (and i can't put my finger on it) that i haven't liked about him ?.

 

There are others that i think could be a better fit for the Bills Stills, Foster, & Cam may be a better fit ...

 

[Nanker]

 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

I don’t personally get the hype. Foster has some big plays last season, but it felt more like it was more about joshes big arm and Foster  just happening to run fast, then him bring a good polished WR. 

 

anyhow, McDermott hinted in a press conference he saw Foster going through a struggle some ‘young players’ have after having SOME success in their rookie campaign. It sounded like coach speak for he’s not putting in the classroom work. Might explain the mistakes 

 

[ctk232]

On 8/8/2019 at 11:25 PM, JoPar_v2 said:

 

So only past performance matters. got it. How is it "nonsense" to (correctly) point out that he is struggling again, and in the face of the new signings of Brown and Beasley and with RayRay and McKenzie obviously playing at a higher level than last year, if you believe the reports from camp, how can you dismiss people questioning his future? Sorry but it sounds like you're reading some reality and you don't like it so you're just dismissing it.

It's not impossible he gets cut, just improbable. It's also questionable to place any real emphasis on a pre-season depth chart, and TC performance. Previous in-season game-time performance very much carries weight in the discussion. Not to mention you have to look at the WR roles more than you do a standard depth chart that doesn't reflect the roles employed by the offensive system. Ray Ray and McKenzie might be having a better camp than Foster, but Foster isn't a slot WR. Nor are Ray Ray and McKenzie a WR2 in this offense. Right now Foster's biggest "competition" is with Zay and Brown, less so of the latter.

 

With the slot role just about on lock with Beasley on the roster, I'd say it's either Ray Ray or McKenzie playing for that 6th spot (if we even keep 6). Daboll has shown thus far he's really only needed one utility guy. And based on last season, McKenzie was used much more in this capacity, and to greater effect than Ray Ray. Given that gametime evidence, Ray Ray is the one that has more to prove to take over that role that McKenzie already won at the end of last season. Especially considering Ray Ray was with them all the way through camp last year, too, and McKenzie was added mid-season. That said, coaches may meet and say they value the utility role that opens up the sweep packages and motion plays versus a "redundant" WR2, in which case you'd likely see either Zay or Foster leave. But that's not something the depth chart, or our armchair analysis of TC will provide.

 

Again it's not impossible that he ends up a cut, but it is fairly nonsensical to provide that judgment based solely on this year's TC and preseason so far, and not take into account the myriad other variables that actually play a part of the ultimate roster decision.

Edited August 13, 2019 by ctk232