CBS Lists Top 10 Coaches, include McDermott

[RochesterLifer]

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/top-10-head-coaches-in-nfl-bill-belichick-still-reigns-but-who-fills-out-the-rest-of-the-list/

 

I believe the Bills significantly out performed expectations in '17 & '18, due in no small part to McDermott's leadership and coaching. It seems that CBS agrees.

With the current roster overhaul, McDermott is facing a huge challenge to put it all together, and quickly. From what I've seen to date, I am confident he will.

2019 is a real "Coach of the Year" opportunity in Bills Country.   

[plenzmd1]

Hmm 10-6 in 17..

[Cripple Creek]

Always nice to get positive publicity, but, errors (mentioned above) & Mike Tomlin made me stop reading.  If Tomlin is the 10th best coach in the league then there is a greater shortage of good coaches vs. good QBs.

[PlayoffsPlease]

56 minutes ago, RochesterLifer said:

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/top-10-head-coaches-in-nfl-bill-belichick-still-reigns-but-who-fills-out-the-rest-of-the-list/

 

I believe the Bills significantly out performed expectations in '17 & '18, due in no small part to McDermott's leadership and coaching. It seems that CBS agrees.

With the current roster overhaul, McDermott is facing a huge challenge to put it all together, and quickly. From what I've seen to date, I am confident he will.

2019 is a real "Coach of the Year" opportunity in Bills Country.   

Quickly is a relative term.  The rams making the super bowl is pretty quick.  Think McDermott is more of a plodders pace. 

[Cripple Creek]

Just now, PlayoffsPlease said:

Quickly is a relative term.  The rams making the super bowl is pretty quick.  Think McDermott is more of a plodders pace. 

Going into year 3. Yup he's a plodder. I miss Rex too.

[machine gun kelly]

I actually agree with this list for once.  Each one of these coaches has a good reason to be in the top 10.  It’s nice to have one of these writers acknowledge what McD has done so far with not a lot of talent.  Beane has done a nice job this year in adding in free agency and I see 10 wins this year.  I know we can do it if McD can get this new team to gel.

[RochesterLifer]

36 minutes ago, PlayoffsPlease said:

Quickly is a relative term.  The rams making the super bowl is pretty quick.  Think McDermott is more of a plodders pace. 

In this case, "quickly" refers to this season, with the extreme roster turnover. I have not kept track of the free agent numbers. But (putting my Captain Obvious hat on), our totally revamped offensive line and new receivers will need to come together, quickly. I see that as, along with JA's continuing development, the coaching staff's biggest challenge this year. As I said, McDermott's performance in the first two years bodes well.

 

Regarding your view of McDermott as a plodder;

- In year one, observers universally predicted a Bills tank. We made the playoffs.

- In year two, the team was built on a fraction of the salary cap. Rather than collapsing with the resulting lack of talent, the team came together and improved throughout the year.

 

The Bills' positive current and future state is a result of managing through those two years of pain. McDermott is not a plodder. He is a high quality NFL head coach and a true leader.     

Edited July 13, 2019 by RochesterLifer

[GRHater69]

It's an OK list, not sure as someone else mentioned that Tomlin belongs there. It's a better list than some of the other ones who have listed Freddie Kitchens as a better coach than McD even though he HASN'T COACHED A GAME YET. Yes there are lists like that out there. Training camp can't start soon enough for some of these sportswriters.

 

 

[TigerJ]

I think somebody else did a listing of best coaches earlier in the offseason where McDermott didn't get a sniff of top ten.  It shows how subjective an exercise like this is, except for guys like Belichick who've won multiple championships.  That said, I like McDermott a lot and think he is an outstanding head coach.  I hope the time is coming when that can be measured in championships.

[PlayoffsPlease]

1 hour ago, Cripple Creek said:

Going into year 3. Yup he's a plodder. I miss Rex too.

What do you think the standard is to build a contending NFL team.  it’s not the 1970s.  Pete carrol with the Seahawks and Sean Mcvay with the rams define “quickly”  in the 2010’s.  McDermott has already missed the modern “quick” standard   Does not mean he is a bad coach.  he is just an unproven coach who is still in the “potemtial” category than in the “proven success “ category. 

 

 

 

 

[Happy]

7 minutes ago, PlayoffsPlease said:

What do you think the standard is to build a contending NFL team.  it’s not the 1970s.  Pete carrol with the Seahawks and Sean Mcvay with the rams define “quickly”  in the 2010’s.  McDermott has already missed the modern “quick” standard   Does not mean he is a bad coach.  he is just an unproven coach who is still in the “potemtial” category than in the “proven success “ category. 

 

 

 

 

 

In fairness to McDermott, McVay had most of the pieces in place when he became the Rams HC.  He did bring an innovative offensive approach that took advantage of Goff's strengths and allowed them to excel.  McDermott on the other hand wanted a major renovation of the team he inherited, including finding the most critical piece - QB.  I agree with you that at this point, McDermott is still potential and this year should say a lot about what to expect in the following two years.

[MJS]

2 hours ago, Cripple Creek said:

Always nice to get positive publicity, but, errors (mentioned above) & Mike Tomlin made me stop reading.  If Tomlin is the 10th best coach in the league then there is a greater shortage of good coaches vs. good QBs.

I'm confused why people believe Tomlin is not a good coach, personally. Just because of their latest crop of problem players?

[Mr. WEO]

4 minutes ago, MJS said:

I'm confused why people believe Tomlin is not a good coach, personally. Just because of their latest crop of problem players?

 

He gets outcoached in the biggest games. 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

Andy Reid at 2? Was this a top 10 eating and choking list?

[Gugny]

42 minutes ago, MJS said:

I'm confused why people believe Tomlin is not a good coach, personally. Just because of their latest crop of problem players?

 

I have always been a big Tomlin fan.  But those problem players became problem players because of Tomlin's coaching style.  He created that monster by letting them do as they please and he lost the team.

 

When you have a HOF QB, the best WR in the game and a top 3 RB ... not competing for an AFC Championship every year is a failure, IMO.

 

I think the Tomlin ship has sailed.

[billsfan_34]

2 hours ago, Cripple Creek said:

Always nice to get positive publicity, but, errors (mentioned above) & Mike Tomlin made me stop reading.  If Tomlin is the 10th best coach in the league then there is a greater shortage of good coaches vs. good QBs.

Tomlin has been blessed with a good organization and a good QB with loads of shiny toys along the way.  Last year may have been an anomaly as the rails came off the tracks but on the flip side much of it was his doing- he lost control of his team. 

[Elite Poster]

if we win 10+ games this year, then for sure. If we win 9, then you could convince me. If we have another .500 or losing season, it sure as hell doesn't take much to be a "top ten" coach. 

[Cripple Creek]

1 hour ago, MJS said:

I'm confused why people believe Tomlin is not a good coach, personally. Just because of their latest crop of problem players?

He has not come close to getting the best out of his team (IMO) and his lackadaisical attitude let, in the words of an NFL owner, the inmates run the asylum.  

[row_33]

4 hours ago, RochesterLifer said:

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/top-10-head-coaches-in-nfl-bill-belichick-still-reigns-but-who-fills-out-the-rest-of-the-list/

 

I believe the Bills significantly out performed expectations in '17 & '18, due in no small part to McDermott's leadership and coaching. It seems that CBS agrees.

With the current roster overhaul, McDermott is facing a huge challenge to put it all together, and quickly. From what I've seen to date, I am confident he will.

2019 is a real "Coach of the Year" opportunity in Bills Country.   

 

I will never accept 6-10 as outperforming expectations 

 

NEVER!!!!

[Cripple Creek]

11 minutes ago, row_33 said:

 

I will never accept 6-10 as outperforming expectations 

 

NEVER!!!!

[RochesterLifer]

27 minutes ago, row_33 said:

 

I will never accept 6-10 as outperforming expectations 

 

NEVER!!!!

Well, that's your call.

 

Taking a full view of last year, including the massive dead cap we ate while starting a rookie "project" quarterback, I view the team's development and late season momentum/excitement as outperforming expectations. Let's agree to disagree.

[Dr.Sack]

Saint Doug believes he is better.

[purple haze]

1 hour ago, billsfan_34 said:

Tomlin has been blessed with a good organization and a good QB with loads of shiny toys along the way.  Last year may have been an anomaly as the rails came off the tracks but on the flip side much of it was his doing- he lost control of his team. 

Just about any coach who would be on a list of "successful" coaches has been blessed the same way.   I disagree last year was his doing.  One grown man does not control another grown man.  And when the GM tells the world the QB is in charge of all the players..?  

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

4 hours ago, Cripple Creek said:

Going into year 3. Yup he's a plodder. I miss Rex too.

 

 

...Rex?.....was FODDER.............a significant pile..

[eball]

3 hours ago, PlayoffsPlease said:

What do you think the standard is to build a contending NFL team.  it’s not the 1970s.  Pete carrol with the Seahawks and Sean Mcvay with the rams define “quickly”  in the 2010’s.  McDermott has already missed the modern “quick” standard   Does not mean he is a bad coach.  he is just an unproven coach who is still in the “potemtial” category than in the “proven success “ category. 

 

 

 

 

You and the “you can turn it around in a year or two” crowd are just wrong. The Rams are an anomaly, and regardless, they had their QB and RB when McVay took the job. 

Listen to a guy like Pat Kirwan who says it’s only fair to give a coach and GM five year contracts if you really want to give them a chance. 

McD and Beane have this team trending in a great direction, and those of us not complaining about “tearing down the empire Whaley built” are ready to enjoy the ride. 

 

Edited July 13, 2019 by eball

[purple haze]

1 hour ago, Cripple Creek said:

He has not come close to getting the best out of his team (IMO) and his lackadaisical attitude let, in the words of an NFL owner, the inmates run the asylum.  

It's lackadaisical to treat grown men as grown men?  Is he really going to cut his backbiting, but HOF caliber QB and selfish, but HOF caliber WR?  Would you?  That's the only way to truly ensure control.  The GM and owner are going to allow that?  The GM that referred to the other players as kids the QB was "in charge of"?  Most of that team loves Tomlin.  In life one grown man does not control another grown man.  If you really want to to do something that another person does not want you to do, there is nothing they can truly do to stop you from doing it until after the fact.  And that's without a contract being involved.  

 

[Cripple Creek]

22 minutes ago, purple haze said:

It's lackadaisical to treat grown men as grown men?  Is he really going to cut his backbiting, but HOF caliber QB and selfish, but HOF caliber WR?  Would you?  That's the only way to truly ensure control.  The GM and owner are going to allow that?  The GM that referred to the other players as kids the QB was "in charge of"?  Most of that team loves Tomlin.  In life one grown man does not control another grown man.  If you really want to to do something that another person does not want you to do, there is nothing they can truly do to stop you from doing it until after the fact.  And that's without a contract being involved.  

 

Difficult for me to follow your reasoning, but he laid the groundwork that allowed all of that locker room stuff to happen.  He does not, IMO, have the respect of his players so, they under-performed and imploded.

[Capco]

26 minutes ago, eball said:

You and the “you can turn it around in a year or two” crowd are just wrong. The Rams are an anomaly, and regardless, they had their QB and RB when McVay took the job. 

Listen to a guy like Pat Kirwan who says it’s only fair to give a coach and GM five year contracts if you really want to give them a chance. 

McD and Beane have this team trending in a great direction, and those of us not complaining about “tearing down the empire Whaley built” are ready to enjoy the ride. 

 

Do you know how long McD and Beane are under contract for?  Did they get 5 year plans?

[Punching Bag]

26 minutes ago, eball said:

Listen to a guy like Pat Kirwan who says it’s only fair to give a coach and GM five year contracts if you really want to give them a chance. 
 

 

We will put you firmly in the Rex should have gotten "3 more years? camp.

[eball]

9 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

 

We will put you firmly in the Rex should have gotten "3 more years? camp.

LOL. Sometimes you know. 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

...McDermott gives me the impression he is on his own predefined mission, whether anyone agrees or not...very deliberate, determined, rigid and form fitting....in his mind, he foresees the end positive result.......tell me why I should doubt him?......in lock step with McBeane?.....eventually yes....bumps. bruises and disagreements along the way?...of course......sign of a good team is to come to an eventual consensus....when have we had this type of organizational prowess and discipline during the "drought"?......tell me and I'll go back under my rock........

[formerlyofCtown]

Well i'll be a legitimate list that doesnt have media darlings ranked ahead of where they should be.

[bigK14094]

I think McBean are trying to replicate what succeeded in Carolina....even picking Allen who is sort of a Cam Newton like QB...big physical, can run...and Cam hasn't been a polished passer either  6 or 7 years in.  None the less, the two seem organized, and recall, Bean did not show up until almost a year later, so McD was on his own with Whaley hanging on until a new guy was brought in...which was inevitable.

[Clark Rotary]

Main take-away:  Get parents to name you Sean to make the top 10.....

[billsfan_34]

2 hours ago, purple haze said:

Just about any coach who would be on a list of "successful" coaches has been blessed the same way.   I disagree last year was his doing.  One grown man does not control another grown man.  And when the GM tells the world the QB is in charge of all the players..?  

Have you been in a locker room before? If the answer is yes, than surely you understand the coach is accountable for discipline and keeping the peace, which Tomlin failed to do. If Tomlin allowed the Big Ben to be in charge because the GM said so, shame on him. 

[formerlyofCtown]

7 hours ago, Cripple Creek said:

Always nice to get positive publicity, but, errors (mentioned above) & Mike Tomlin made me stop reading.  If Tomlin is the 10th best coach in the league then there is a greater shortage of good coaches vs. good QBs.

I think Cowher would have won several more SBs had he not retired.

[formerlyofCtown]

2 hours ago, purple haze said:

Just about any coach who would be on a list of "successful" coaches has been blessed the same way.   I disagree last year was his doing.  One grown man does not control another grown man.  And when the GM tells the world the QB is in charge of all the players..?  

You tell that to former Patriots.

[skibum]

5 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

He gets outcoached in the biggest games. 

The Super Bowl is a pretty big game, so I’m told, and Tomlin has won twice.

[JerseyBills]

Wow some MUCH deserved national attention to a great HC. 

I've said since last year, he's a natural. Truly think we struck gold with him

[CountryCletus]

@mrags