transient Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 https://pro32.ap.org/article/sabres-owner-pegula-tells-ap-its-time-start-winning https://pro32.ap.org/article/owner-fan-related-costs-factor-bills-stadium-decision I guess JW used up his allotment of photo captions for the month and had to make due. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 "Sabres owner Pegula tells AP: It's time to start winning" He's selling the team? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 10 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: ? They came across as the same as they always do. Good people who want to win and to make the people of Buffalo proud, but absolutely clueless. I mean it's nice for an owner, 10 years into his ownership, to at least acknowledge it's time to start winning....but he could also acknowledge they were a winning team before he bought them. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 5 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: He sounds like a bumbling moron.... he pointed to the 10 game win streak as a tie for most in franchise history..... who the ***** cares you lost 16 of your last 57.? I'm no hockey fan, but losing 16/57 means they won 72% of their last 57 games. Is that bad? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 1 minute ago, Gugny said: I'm no hockey fan, but losing 16/57 means they won 72% of their last 57 games. Is that bad? They won 33 games......ScottLaw meant, I believe, they won only 16 of the last 57. They won 5 of their last 26. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 If Pegula didn't also own the Bills, Sabres fans would be roundly ripping his ownership at this point. It's been a disaster. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjv001 Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 If the Pegulas didn't own the Sabres would the team not move to a more lucrative market? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 44 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: ? They came across as the same as they always do. Good people who want to win and to make the people of Buffalo proud, but absolutely clueless. Selling the team is WEOs wet dream because it would mean both teams leaving town. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 ScottLaw seeing that the Bills are heading in the right direction jumps on the Sabres suck bandwagon. Who would have thought? 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 (edited) To me I don't really care if owners have a clue about football or hockey. Their job is to provide money. They need to surround themselves with people who DO know what they are doing and can advise in all hockey/football related decisions. I think you hear a lot of dumb stuff come out of the mouth of owners from lots of sports. Their job isn't to know the sport, it's to write the checks. PS: I'm pretty sure there is nothing he could say to impress Sabres fans. Nothing he could say would distract from the failures on the ice. Edited June 30, 2019 by MJS 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boater Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 Kim said "it's a big, big nut" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 29 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: Selling the team is WEOs wet dream because it would mean both teams leaving town. Whatever Kraft wants WEO Getz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 Must be nice to have the luxury of learning on the job. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Another Fan Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 I think the guy means well but really its been underwhelming so far 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bg17 Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 58 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Won*** Bumbling moron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 If it’s time to start winning now what time was it last decade? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 If winning it all is the yardstick of success then there are 31 failures every season. Unless you live in New England, how does anyone deal with the yearly letdowns? I wonder if Milwaukee Bucks fans, or Pittsburgh Pirate fans, or fans of any team that has had limited success act the way we do? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 1 hour ago, PromoTheRobot said: Selling the team is WEOs wet dream because it would mean both teams leaving town. You'll never give up on "The Bills Could Move At Any Time" conspiracy, will you? I'm on record as saying they were not going to be moved. So your post above is, as usual, informed by sentiment, not fact. Carry on the torch... 13 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: If winning it all is the yardstick of success then there are 31 failures every season. Unless you live in New England, how does anyone deal with the yearly letdowns? I wonder if Milwaukee Bucks fans, or Pittsburgh Pirate fans, or fans of any team that has had limited success act the way we do? Comparing one of the best teams in the NBA with one of the worst NFL teams over a decade......it really doesn't make the point you're struggling to make. All fan bases "behave" in a similar way when their team chronically stinks. How can this escape you? You're an inveterate fan basher. That's your thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 1 hour ago, Coach Tuesday said: Must be nice to have the luxury of learning on the job. Special Ed... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 1 hour ago, Coach Tuesday said: Must be nice to have the luxury of learning on the job. Having billions of dollars tends to give you lots of luxuries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 1 hour ago, MJS said: To me I don't really care if owners have a clue about football or hockey. Their job is to provide money. They need to surround themselves with people who DO know what they are doing and can advise in all hockey/football related decisions. I think you hear a lot of dumb stuff come out of the mouth of owners from lots of sports. Their job isn't to know the sport, it's to write the checks. PS: I'm pretty sure there is nothing he could say to impress Sabres fans. Nothing he could say would distract from the failures on the ice. If only it were that simple. Pegula "surrounding himself with people who do know what they are doing" is called hiring. Pegula does the hiring. Pegula is clueless. So he tends to surround himself with people who do not know what they are doing. No owner has ever needed a Czar to do the hiring more than Pegula. We need a layer between ownership and coach/GM that is not present in the organizations now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 2 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said: Must be nice to have the luxury of learning on the job. when you’re filthy rich, it’s a perk that’s afforded to you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 How did the Sabres win under Golisano? He knew absolutely nothing about hockey or sports management, spent as little as he could on them, and yet the team was successful under him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 3 hours ago, gjv001 said: If the Pegulas didn't own the Sabres would the team not move to a more lucrative market? Is there really a bigger open hockey market? We’re right on the Canadian border, a lot of players and coaches retire to this area. There’s a lot of hockey fans and they spend money. There may be markets with larger populations but what is the interest in hockey? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 3 hours ago, gjv001 said: If the Pegulas didn't own the Sabres would the team not move to a more lucrative market? I assume that if the Pegulas had not offered to buy the team from Golisano, Golisano would still own it. The Bills OTOH... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florida Bills Fanatic Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 3 hours ago, MJS said: To me I don't really care if owners have a clue about football or hockey. Their job is to provide money. They need to surround themselves with people who DO know what they are doing and can advise in all hockey/football related decisions. I think you hear a lot of dumb stuff come out of the mouth of owners from lots of sports. Their job isn't to know the sport, it's to write the checks. PS: I'm pretty sure there is nothing he could say to impress Sabres fans. Nothing he could say would distract from the failures on the ice. I agree with you. Pegulas don't have exclusive rights on dumb comments by an owner. I lived in Indianapolis for a while and I believe Irsay may be the gold standard in dumb owner commentary and behavior. We should all be thankful that Buffalo isn't dealing with something like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 31 minutes ago, Doc said: How did the Sabres win under Golisano? He knew absolutely nothing about hockey or sports management, spent as little as he could on them, and yet the team was successful under him. ....was not his focus.....he is a buy low sell high investment guy...bought the Sabres for $92 mil in bankruptcy and sold them to Pegula for $189 mil.....a quick $100 mil gain.....would NEVER question the man's philanthropic giving heart, donating mega millions to to multiple worthy causes.....but those that know him well will tell you he loves the spotlight....saying rescuing the Sabres was a perfect fit............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 5 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said: Must be nice to have the luxury of learning on the job. Tut, tut. Remember the Golden Rule: Whoever’s got the gold, makes the rules... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 1 hour ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ....was not his focus.....he is a buy low sell high investment guy...bought the Sabres for $92 mil in bankruptcy and sold them to Pegula for $189 mil.....a quick $100 mil gain.....would NEVER question the man's philanthropic giving heart, donating mega millions to to multiple worthy causes.....but those that know him well will tell you he loves the spotlight....saying rescuing the Sabres was a perfect fit............ I’m fine with that. I’m just saying that he knew and spent far less than Pegula and yet the Sabres were far more successful. How did that happen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 30 minutes ago, Doc said: I’m fine with that. I’m just saying that he knew and spent far less than Pegula and yet the Sabres were far more successful. How did that happen? Golisano didn't have chickenheads running the team.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 *After being drafted by the Buffalo Sabres* Dylan Cozen to Terry Pegula: Thank you for drafting me, sir. It's my honor to be a Buffalo Sabre. Terry: Dylan, glad to have ya. Forgot to tell you we are tanking this year. You're ours now, kid, we own you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US Egg Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 (edited) 7 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: I mean it's nice for an owner, 10 years into his ownership, to at least acknowledge it's time to start winning....but he could also acknowledge they were a winning team before he bought them. You're not wrong by stating this. But, it wasn't that a good of a team, considering Vanek was their "leader" when Pegulas took over on 2/18/10. No owner will acknowledge what your asking. Neither can an owner rationalize a 8 year hiatus from the playoffs in the NHL. Question why I still buy tickets, except that it's something to do during the winter doldrums in Buffalo. 2007–08 2007–08 82 39 31 — 12 90 255 242 1040 4th, Northeast Did not qualify 2008–09 2008–09 82 41 32 — 9 91 250 234 1146 3rd, Northeast Did not qualify 2009–10 2009–10 82 45 27 — 10 100 235 207 908 1st, Northeast Lost in Conference Quarterfinals, 2–4 (Bruins) 2010–11 2010–11 82 43 29 — 10 96 245 229 958 3rd, Northeast Lost in Conference Quarterfinals, 3–4 (Flyers) 2011–12 2011–12 82 39 32 — 11 89 218 230 904 3rd, Northeast Did not qualify 2012–13 2012–13 48 21 21 — 6 48 125 143 630 5th, Northeast Did not qualify 2013–14 2013–14 82 21 51 — 10 52 157 248 903 8th, Atlantic Did not qualify 2014–15 2014–15 82 23 51 — 8 54 161 274 853 8th, Atlantic Did not qualify 2015–16 2015–16 82 35 36 — 11 81 201 222 731 7th, Atlantic Did not qualify 2016–17 2016–17 82 33 37 — 12 78 201 237 725 8th, Atlantic Did not qualify 2017–18 2017–18 82 25 45 — 12 62 199 280 653 8th, Atlantic Did not qualify 2018–19 2018–19 82 33 39 — 10 76 226 271 556 6th, Atlantic Did not qualify Edited June 30, 2019 by I am the egg man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 (edited) 13 hours ago, MJS said: To me I don't really care if owners have a clue about football or hockey. Their job is to provide money. They need to surround themselves with people who DO know what they are doing and can advise in all hockey/football related decisions. I think you hear a lot of dumb stuff come out of the mouth of owners from lots of sports. Their job isn't to know the sport, it's to write the checks. PS: I'm pretty sure there is nothing he could say to impress Sabres fans. Nothing he could say would distract from the failures on the ice. If you don't have a clue about football or hockey, it's not necessarily easy to select the right people to surround you. The Pegulas are the perfect example of this. You can't win at blackjack if you don't know the game. And you won't win until you learn and have a feel for it. When the Pegulas bought into the games of hockey and football, the big mistake they made was not, with expert assistance, locating top notch management and coaching talent. That's how you wind up with the likes of Rex Ryan and Phil Housley. Edited July 1, 2019 by Formerly Allan in MD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Day 10 Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 Complete clown shoes management on the hockey side throughout Pegula's ownership. From a standpoint of the hires, as well as the timing of changes like firing ruff a month into a season after a full offseason and half year lockout. Firing regier in november with only lafontaine and no gm. The drama that march with lafontaine's "resignation". All during critical times of a deep teardown and rebuild. Hopefully they have it right at this point. It should be a make or break year for botterill. Anything less than respectable cant be enough. At that point, it would be (again) time to restore credibility with an experienced, respected president of hockey ops/gm who may act autonomously from ownership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 16 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: Golisano didn't have chickenheads running the team.. From what I recall, he just kept the same people but fired the scouting department. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 47 minutes ago, Doc said: From what I recall, he just kept the same people but fired the scouting department. Exactly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 32 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Exactly Well, Ruff and Regier are both available... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 On 6/30/2019 at 4:08 PM, 4merper4mer said: Whatever Kraft wants WEO Getz. Did someone say Leo Getz... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 2 minutes ago, Doc said: Well, Ruff and Regier are both available... Ezactly. But Pegula feels otherwise. Between the Sabres and the Bills, he has employed 10 HC's in the relatively short time he has owned each. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said: Ezactly. But Pegula feels otherwise. Between the Sabres and the Bills, he has employed 10 HC's in the relatively short time he has owned each. Well Ruff lasted just 4 seasons in Dallas and is an assistant on the Rangers now while Regier still hasn't been hired since stepping away in 2016. I don't think going back to the past is the answer. And many of his coaching hires have been lauded. And most of those HC's have been on the Sabres as he's on just his 2nd HC hire with the Bills. I'm more interested in the Bills and am glad that in just his 3rd full season of ownership the team went back to the playoffs. Hopefully the Sabres return soon. Edited July 1, 2019 by Doc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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