Gunner's Roster Thread 2019

[LABILLBACKER]

I would flip DiMarco for Yeldon....

[3rdand12]

On 5/29/2019 at 7:43 PM, Florida Bills Fanatic said:

Based on the limited information from OTA's and other sources, I think this is a credible analysis.  

Of course it is !

 It's Gunner's yearly prediction. always well thought out.

[LSHMEAB]

5 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I think Foster is way more of a lock than Zay. 

The only reason people think Zay is a lock is because he was a second round pick(who we traded up for). A: Beane/McDermott have made plenty of mistakes on the offensive side of the ball. To their credit, they've shown a willingness to cut bait. B) Zay was not(presumably) a Beane selection.

 

I expect him to make the team, but he's not on completely solid ground. He's gonna have to earn it. By all accounts, he's fully dedicated the offseason to improve both physically and mentally. Nothing would shock me with Zay. If he gains some confidence, I can see him being a major contributor and a bonafide second tier WR. Also wouldn't be blown away if he was cut or traded if it doesn't translate on the field.

[MrEpsYtown]

Great work Gunner. I get the sense that the regime feels better about Spencer Long than they do about Spain. It seems like they are making it crystal clear that they want him to be a starting guard here. I know Spain is injured and I really like him, but I think Long is a lock and is extremely likely to be one of the starting guards. I'm not sure Spain is a mortal lock, though I think he should be. 

[Rocky Landing]

1 hour ago, LSHMEAB said:

The only reason people think Zay is a lock is because he was a second round pick(who we traded up for). A: Beane/McDermott have made plenty of mistakes on the offensive side of the ball. To their credit, they've shown a willingness to cut bait. B) Zay was not(presumably) a Beane selection.

 

I expect him to make the team, but he's not on completely solid ground. He's gonna have to earn it. By all accounts, he's fully dedicated the offseason to improve both physically and mentally. Nothing would shock me with Zay. If he gains some confidence, I can see him being a major contributor and a bonafide second tier WR. Also wouldn't be blown away if he was cut or traded if it doesn't translate on the field.

I can only speak for myself, but I don't agree with this. By this time, I don't think anyone gives a damn about where Zay was drafted.

 

I think that Zay is a lock because he has improved from year one, to year two (and from all accounts, to year three), and has turned into the WR that he was sold as in the draft-- which is to say, that he is a solid #2, with a complete route tree, who can get separation, has reliable hands, and is utterly consistent. I don't think he has reached his ceiling, yet, but I also don't think his ceiling is as a true #1. I don't think he has yet shown the ability to bring down the contested ball, and I don't think he has an enormous catch radius. But, he is a reliable receiver who can make a play on any spot on the field. He might be our most versatile WR.

 

I put Zay above Foster (which is, essentially what makes him a lock). I see Foster as a dynamic talent, but limited in his role on offense. I think that a lot of Bills fans have built him up in their minds to be greater than the sum of his parts. He had some great plays towards the end of last season, and they're easy to find, but he also had some really poor routes, as well. At the very least, he showed a difficulty in tracking the ball in his earlier games. That's a pretty big deal when your biggest asset is as a sideline receiver with the speed to get separation from the corners downfield.

 

To be clear, I assume that they're both going to make the team. I also think that Foster is a much more exciting receiver for the fanbase. But, I think that Zay is the more valuable commodity, especially with the acquisition of Smokey Brown.

 

Edited May 31, 2019 by Rocky Landing

[BADOLBILZ]

6 hours ago, Bill from NYC said:

Would the 500K signing bonus make it tough to release Yeldon or is that too little to care about.

 

 

For Beane it's too little to care about.   

 

He's been a little careless with the nickels and dimes.........which is something he's going to have to pay more attention to down the line if he gets that far.

[Augie]

14 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

For Beane it's too little to care about.   

 

He's been a little careless with the nickels and dimes.........which is something he's going to have to pay more attention to down the line if he gets that far.

 

He covered his bases at a time when he had cap room to do that. It’s a bit sketchy when you have a couple elders in the RB room. I’m not for wasting anything intentionally with the cap, but how often do you have your top two RB’s approaching AARP territory? I’m fine with accepting that this is unique, and a wise exception. 

[TPS]

1 hour ago, MrEpsYtown said:

Great work Gunner. I get the sense that the regime feels better about Spencer Long than they do about Spain. It seems like they are making it crystal clear that they want him to be a starting guard here. I know Spain is injured and I really like him, but I think Long is a lock and is extremely likely to be one of the starting guards. I'm not sure Spain is a mortal lock, though I think he should be. 

If you go by their contracts, Feleciano is a lock, and Spain is just another vet in the competition.

[MasterStrategist]

1 hour ago, Rocky Landing said:

I can only speak for myself, but I don't agree with this. By this time, I don't think anyone gives a damn about where Zay was drafted.

 

I think that Zay is a lock because he has improved from year one, to year two (and from all accounts, to year three), and has turned into the WR that he was sold as in the draft-- which is to say, that he is a solid #2, with a complete route tree, who can get separation, has reliable hands, and is utterly consistent. I don't think he has reached his ceiling, yet, but I also don't think his ceiling is as a true #1. I don't think he has yet shown the ability to bring down the contested ball, and I don't think he has an enormous catch radius. But, he is a reliable receiver who can make a play on any spot on the field. He might be our most versatile WR.

 

I put Zay above Foster (which is, essentially what makes him a lock). I see Foster as a dynamic talent, but limited in his role on offense. I think that a lot of Bills fans have built him up in their minds to be greater than the sum of his parts. He had some great plays towards the end of last season, and they're easy to find, but he also had some really poor routes, as well. At the very least, he showed a difficulty in tracking the ball in his earlier games. That's a pretty big deal when your biggest asset is as a sideline receiver with the speed to get separation from the corners downfield.

 

To be clear, I assume that they're both going to make the team. I also think that Foster is a much more exciting receiver for the fanbase. But, I think that Zay is the more valuable commodity, especially with the acquisition of Smokey Brown.

 

Agree about Zay over foster, both are locks in my opinion. Zay might be the most controversial player, from a fan perspective on this team.....some think he's fighting for a roster spot, and others (like myself) think he's on the verge of something special.

 

I'd also consider Spencer Long ahead of Spain, injury aside.  I think he wins a starting guard spot, and brings more versatility in the event of injuries up front

 

 

[MrEpsYtown]

9 hours ago, TPS said:

If you go by their contracts, Feleciano is a lock, and Spain is just another vet in the competition.

 

I agree on Feliciano as well. Not sure if he starts somewhere, but I think that when Morse is back we see Long and Feliciano as teh first team guards. 

[GunnerBill]

27 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

 

I agree on Feliciano as well. Not sure if he starts somewhere, but I think that when Morse is back we see Long and Feliciano as teh first team guards. 

 

I am certain Spain starts on this line. He is our best guard. And it isn't close. I think the contracts can be explained by the fact that early in FA Spain wanted a bigger deal. The Bills reportedly had interest but didn't want to pay the price. They spent the money elsewhere and Spain realised as his market dried up he was going to have to take a 1 year prove it deal somewhere. I don't think there is any chance he chose Buffalo over LA and his other options without a strong indication that the starting job was his to lose.

[GG]

14 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I am certain Spain starts on this line. He is our best guard. And it isn't close. I think the contracts can be explained by the fact that early in FA Spain wanted a bigger deal. The Bills reportedly had interest but didn't want to pay the price. They spent the money elsewhere and Spain realised as his market dried up he was going to have to take a 1 year prove it deal somewhere. I don't think there is any chance he chose Buffalo over LA and his other options without a strong indication that the starting job was his to lose.

 

Morbidly, Beane is rooting for C/G injuries on other teams.

[2020 Our Year For Sure]

Why are some names in bold?

 

I would have Julian Stanford as a blue.

[GunnerBill]

3 minutes ago, 2018 Our Year For Sure said:

Why are some names in bold?

 

I would have Julian Stanford as a blue.

 

They are all in bold..... or show that way for me anyway.

[TPS]

25 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I am certain Spain starts on this line. He is our best guard. And it isn't close. I think the contracts can be explained by the fact that early in FA Spain wanted a bigger deal. The Bills reportedly had interest but didn't want to pay the price. They spent the money elsewhere and Spain realised as his market dried up he was going to have to take a 1 year prove it deal somewhere. I don't think there is any chance he chose Buffalo over LA and his other options without a strong indication that the starting job was his to lose.

The point I made is what their contracts indicate. If Spain is cut, his cap hit is minimal; if Feliciano is cut, his dead cap hit > if he is on the team. I’m sure you’re assessment of Spain is correct, but feliciano is the tougher assessment. Given he doesn’t have a lot of film, he’s a relatively unknown, except to the Bills’ O-Line Coach. He’s a lot like Long in his position flexibility, so if it comes down to those two, the contracts will have an impact. 

 

Finally, I’m not saying it changes his “color,” but it does suggest someone thinks highly of him...

[GunnerBill]

Just now, TPS said:

The point I made is what their contracts indicate. If Spain is cut, his cap hit is minimal; if Feliciano is cut, his dead cap hit > if he is on the team. I’m sure you’re assessment of Spain is correct, but feliciano is the tougher assessment. Given he doesn’t have a lot of film, he’s a relatively unknown, except to the Bills’ O-Line Coach. He’s a lot like Long in his position flexibility, so if it comes down to those two, the contracts will have an impact. 

 

Finally, I’m not saying it changes his “color,” but it does suggest someone thinks highly of him...

 

Oh I expect Feliciano and Long to both be on the team. One of them will start and the other will be their primary interior swing guy. I just think there is a chance if Teller were to win the starting G competition (which I view as unlikely) then it might come down to one or the other of Feliciano and Long. Their skillset is similar. Agree on contracts though.

[HappyDays]

12 hours ago, Rocky Landing said:

I put Zay above Foster (which is, essentially what makes him a lock). I see Foster as a dynamic talent, but limited in his role on offense.

 

I think that's crazy. You could see on the tape in the latter half of the season that teams were game planning to stop Foster. Safeties were shadowing him down field. I didn't ever see that kind of attention given to Zay. Foster is a threat to score a TD on every single play. Zay is a decent route runner but he has zero ability to make plays happen all on his own. Foster had his faults, especially early on, but his skill set is a nightmare to defend. I'll take the "limited" dynamic talent over the JAG with a full route tree.

Edited May 31, 2019 by HappyDays

[John from Riverside]

4 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I am certain Spain starts on this line. He is our best guard. And it isn't close. I think the contracts can be explained by the fact that early in FA Spain wanted a bigger deal. The Bills reportedly had interest but didn't want to pay the price. They spent the money elsewhere and Spain realised as his market dried up he was going to have to take a 1 year prove it deal somewhere. I don't think there is any chance he chose Buffalo over LA and his other options without a strong indication that the starting job was his to lose.

To me there is not a chance in hell Spain does not start on this OL.....and we need to get him worked to a longer contract while we have him on the team.

[billsredneck1]

6 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I am certain Spain starts on this line. He is our best guard. And it isn't close. I think the contracts can be explained by the fact that early in FA Spain wanted a bigger deal. The Bills reportedly had interest but didn't want to pay the price. They spent the money elsewhere and Spain realised as his market dried up he was going to have to take a 1 year prove it deal somewhere. I don't think there is any chance he chose Buffalo over LA and his other options without a strong indication that the starting job was his to lose.

spain may not make it not make the final roster. they have been playing feliciano in morse's place so far in ota's.  that tells me he is going to make the roster.

 

obviously the starting experience goes to spain(who i believe played only lg) and is a more of a finesse player.  whereas, feliciano is a punch in the mouth guy with felxibility.

Edited May 31, 2019 by billsredneck1

[John from Riverside]

7 minutes ago, billsredneck1 said:

spain may not make it not make the final roster. they have been playing feliciano in morse's place so far in ota's.  that tells me he is going to make the roster.

 

obviously the starting experience goes to spain(who i believe played only lg) and is a more of a finesse player.  whereas, feliciano is a punch in the mouth guy with felxibility.

LOL

On 5/30/2019 at 10:17 AM, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

I agree 100% with your listings.  Going into camp it's pretty straight forward where they all stand right now, IMO.

 

But of course injuries,  acquisitions(and possibly departures) and a few guys playing up or down from their rank will change the final roster slightly.   The biggest decisions will be on the OL.   Cutting guys like Teller or Boettger in favor of older players might be a good short term play that looks bad in a couple years but those are good problems to have.

Teller has PS elegibility.....I know there is a risk of another team picking him up but we might have too much veteran talent to not take that chance.

 

and....am a fan of Teller

[GunnerBill]

14 minutes ago, billsredneck1 said:

spain may not make it not make the final roster. they have been playing feliciano in morse's place so far in ota's.  that tells me he is going to make the roster.

 

obviously the starting experience goes to spain(who i believe played only lg) and is a more of a finesse player.  whereas, feliciano is a punch in the mouth guy with felxibility.

 

I think you haven't watched much Spain and they have also been starting Spain in OTAs and starting him at RG too before the thumb injury.

[billsredneck1]

36 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I think you haven't watched much Spain and they have also been starting Spain in OTAs and starting him at RG too before the thumb injury.

was it change of schemes that lead the titans to let him walk? did they have someone better?  why did he last long enough to make this deal with the bills?

 

i'm serious when i ask these questions.  between long, feliciano, spain and teller, do they keep 2 backups along with 2 backup tackles?

[GunnerBill]

7 minutes ago, billsredneck1 said:

was it change of schemes that lead the titans to let him walk? did they have someone better?  why did he last long enough to make this deal with the bills?

 

i'm serious when i ask these questions.  between long, feliciano, spain and teller, do they keep 2 backups along with 2 backup tackles?

 

It was change of schemes (they went to a zone scheme last year and he is much better in man), he was their best guard they didn't have anyone better but they have a lot tied up in their two tackles and I think it was just the case they didn't want to tie money up in the offensive line. As for why he lasted a couple of weeks into free agency I don't know. Lesser players with bigger names - yes Roger Saffold I'm looking at you - went before him and got paid before him. I understand Spain's demands early in the process were pretty high and that was why originally the Bills passed and committed their cash to Feliciano (Long was a pre FA pickup who to me was signed to be the Ryan Groy replacement). Clearly Spain then decided that a one year prove it was the way to go.

 

As for what or who they keep..... I think they likely keep the three tackles, Morse and then Long, Spain and Feliciano. That is 7.  I think there are one maybe two spots up for grabs. I think they'd rather one of those was a tackle or a guy with tackle flex at least. Teller is going to have to perform to make the roster - I think he is a long shot. It was telling that before Spain's thumb injury the other three (all new to the team) were on the starting line and Teller was with the twos. If you look everywhere else the guy in possession (whether Zay at receiver or Wallace at corner has got the first shot over the FA pick ups).

[FLFan]

2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

It was change of schemes (they went to a zone scheme last year and he is much better in man), he was their best guard they didn't have anyone better but they have a lot tied up in their two tackles and I think it was just the case they didn't want to tie money up in the offensive line. As for why he lasted a couple of weeks into free agency I don't know. Lesser players with bigger names - yes Roger Saffold I'm looking at you - went before him and got paid before him. I understand Spain's demands early in the process were pretty high and that was why originally the Bills passed and committed their cash to Feliciano (Long was a pre FA pickup who to me was signed to be the Ryan Groy replacement). Clearly Spain then decided that a one year prove it was the way to go.

 

As for what or who they keep..... I think they likely keep the three tackles, Morse and then Long, Spain and Feliciano. That is 7.  I think there are one maybe two spots up for grabs. I think they'd rather one of those was a tackle or a guy with tackle flex at least. Teller is going to have to perform to make the roster - I think he is a long shot. It was telling that before Spain's thumb injury the other three (all new to the team) were on the starting line and Teller was with the twos. If you look everywhere else the guy in possession (whether Zay at receiver or Wallace at corner has got the first shot over the FA pick ups).

Teller showed next to nothing in his opportunity last year.  He is going to have to make a big jump to earn a spot.  I think it is certainly possible, but the Bills clearly have questions  about him.

[JOE IN HAMPTON ROADS]

23 hours ago, Rocky Landing said:

That would be a huge mistake to dump a proven backup based upon the preseason performance of a UDFA rookie. They dropped AJ based on Late Nate Peterman's preseason performance, and look what happened. I would lose an enormous amount of confidence in McD, and Beanie if they failed to learn from that error.

ikr

 

hopefully they have learned from that mistake.

[Rocky Landing]

9 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

I think that's crazy. You could see on the tape in the latter half of the season that teams were game planning to stop Foster. Safeties were shadowing him down field. I didn't ever see that kind of attention given to Zay. Foster is a threat to score a TD on every single play. Zay is a decent route runner but he has zero ability to make plays happen all on his own. Foster had his faults, especially early on, but his skill set is a nightmare to defend. I'll take the "limited" dynamic talent over the JAG with a full route tree.

Ignoring, for the moment, how each of these WRs improved by the end of last season (they both certainly did), which of the two would you consider the most versatile?

[2020 Our Year For Sure]

14 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

They are all in bold..... or show that way for me anyway.

Oh right on, on my phone it looked different but on my desktop they all look the same. 

[Buffarukus]

4 hours ago, Rocky Landing said:

Ignoring, for the moment, how each of these WRs improved by the end of last season (they both certainly did), which of the two would you consider the most versatile?

 

why ignore improvement?  one has a extra season and a full training camp being deamed a starter from day 1 the other was a udfa ROOKIE who earned his spot after being cut. its not apples to apples imo. 

   so why cant foster become more versatile this year? imo foster improved more quickly so i am not sure why his growth as just a fast deep threat specialist is where his talent starts and ends. i hope he can become reliable with versatility in his route tree this year because he has proven he can do what zay cant.. take the top off. 

answer to the question is zay but i dont think that means alot at this stage. 

 

 

[Rocky Landing]

27 minutes ago, Buffarukus said:

 

why ignore improvement?  one has a extra season and a full training camp being deamed a starter from day 1 the other was a udfa ROOKIE who earned his spot after being cut. its not apples to apples imo. 

   so why cant foster become more versatile this year? imo foster improved more quickly so i am not sure why his growth as just a fast deep threat specialist is where his talent starts and ends. i hope he can become reliable with versatility in his route tree this year because he has proven he can do what zay cant.. take the top off. 

answer to the question is zay but i dont think that means alot at this stage. 

 

 

No reason to ignore improvement, but I was debating HappyDays, and the amount they improved was a separate discussion from the point I was trying to make. I think they have both improved considerably. 

Be that as it may, I suspect that currently Zay is a more complete receiver, putting him slightly ahead of Foster. I could very well be wrong, of course. It's all conjecture at this time of year. But, I think that by the end of the season, HappyDay's statement that Zay "has zero ability to make plays happen all on his own," is dead wrong. Zay made some great clutch plays last season, and ran some well-designed crossing routes that got him wide open. 

I would not suggest for a second that Foster won't improve, or is anywhere near his ceiling. And, again, I believe they will both make the 53.

[Buffarukus]

14 minutes ago, Rocky Landing said:

No reason to ignore improvement, but I was debating HappyDays, and the amount they improved was a separate discussion from the point I was trying to make. I think they have both improved considerably. 

Be that as it may, I suspect that currently Zay is a more complete receiver, putting him slightly ahead of Foster. I could very well be wrong, of course. It's all conjecture at this time of year. But, I think that by the end of the season, HappyDay's statement that Zay "has zero ability to make plays happen all on his own," is dead wrong. Zay made some great clutch plays last season, and ran some well-designed crossing routes that got him wide open. 

I would not suggest for a second that Foster won't improve, or is anywhere near his ceiling. And, again, I believe they will both make the 53.

 

sorry to inject myself in the debate lol.

i just saw your previous post about how much zay has improved then you kinda said brown is a deep threat so there is no need for 2 fosters types and i thought you were discounting that foster has the exact same ability to improve and certainly proved coming back from the depths ps and being cut to make a major impact.

 i guess my point is if you feel foster is slightly behind zay seeing how zay has a year and most likey more intense coaching and chemistry playing with the ones from the start, thats a major statement in fosters accelerated growth.

 

Either way, the fact we are talking about this is a good problem to have. i certainly dont agree if happydays thinks zay is easily cut. he had a really rough rookie season but certainly has shown he is putting in the work and improved so i agree we will prob keep them both. 

[ehfeuh57]

Frank Gore is not a lock, although i wish him luck

[Rocky Landing]

21 minutes ago, Buffarukus said:

 

sorry to inject myself in the debate lol.

i just saw your previous post about how much zay has improved then you kinda said brown is a deep threat so there is no need for 2 fosters types and i thought you were discounting that foster has the exact same ability to improve and certainly proved coming back from the depths ps and being cut to make a major impact.

 i guess my point is if you feel foster is slightly behind zay seeing how zay has a year and most likey more intense coaching and chemistry playing with the ones from the start, thats a major statement in fosters accelerated growth.

 

Either way, the fact we are talking about this is a good problem to have. i certainly dont agree if happydays thinks zay is easily cut. he had a really rough rookie season but certainly has shown he is putting in the work and improved so i agree we will prob keep them both. 

I love how Zay spent a good portion of the offseason on his upper body, also. I think one of the knocks on him has been his ability to fight for the ball in tight coverage. Increasing his upper body strength should certainly help.

[Richard Noggin]

On 5/29/2019 at 4:13 PM, Ethan in Portland said:

Your OL is short an OT.  I think Waddle is a near lock with Ford, Dawkins, and Nsekhe.  I also dont think Feliciano is any more likely to get a roster spot than Teller. Long is probably more likely to beat out Bodine based on overall performance in the league, but Bodine was better than Long in 2018. Long when not injured is the better player. With Morse injury history I think the ability to play center will ultimately win Long a roster spot. If he is just a guard, then they will keep Bodine and it will be a battle between Long, Feliciano, and Teller for starter and backup opposite Spain.

I do NOT see Russell Bodine making the cut, barring injuries, mainly because Feliciano AND Long both have position flex AND ability that Bodine simply doesn't have. They are quality depth guys/borderline starters at OC AND OG, whereas Bodine is maybe barely serviceable depth at OC and definitely nothing more. 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

11 hours ago, Richard Noggin said:

I do NOT see Russell Bodine making the cut, barring injuries, mainly because Feliciano AND Long both have position flex AND ability that Bodine simply doesn't have. They are quality depth guys/borderline starters at OC AND OG, whereas Bodine is maybe barely serviceable depth at OC and definitely nothing more. 

Yeah I think you are probably correct. I didn't know Feliciano could play C too.  

Bodine however is a low grade starter at center. I would trade him for a middle linebacker.  

[Rocky Landing]

10 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said:

Yeah I think you are probably correct. I didn't know Feliciano could play C too.  

Bodine however is a low grade starter at center. I would trade him for a middle linebacker.  

A lot of people weren't aware, but Feliciano was the Raiders backup center during his time there. 

[SoCal Deek]

Thanks Gunner

This has to the best offseason thread topic! Excellent summary. I imagine that there’s a big whiteboard at OBD that looks exactly like your list. What I find fascinating is the complete turnover of the Offense from training camp a year ago. Only Shady and Dawkins were starters then, and only the two of them plus Josh were even on the active roster. The 2019 Bills will be the very definition of a completely different team.

[CaptnCoke11]

Waddle isn’t fighting for a roster spot

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said:

Thanks Gunner

This has to the best offseason thread topic! Excellent summary. I imagine that there’s a big whiteboard at OBD that looks exactly like your list. What I find fascinating is the complete turnover of the Offense from training camp a year ago. Only Shady and Dawkins were starters then, and only the two of them plus Josh were even on the active roster. The 2019 Bills will be the very definition of a completely different team.

 

I did say at the start of last season that I thought only Shady and Dawkins (aside from the QB obviously) would be 2019 starters.... not just for the Bills but for anyone. 

 

The others who might threaten that are Zay (could still start for the Bills), Miller (could start in Cincy), Clay (could start in Arizona) and Mills (could start in Miami). But none of those are certain starters for their teams.

[Just Joshin']

20 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said:

Yeah I think you are probably correct. I didn't know Feliciano could play C too.  

Bodine however is a low grade starter at center. I would trade him for a middle linebacker.  

Depth or starter?  Who specifically?

Edited June 2, 2019 by Just Joshin'

[metzelaars_lives]

I can’t scroll through five pages to see if someone else mentioned it already, but LeSean McCoy is definitely not a lock to make this team.  I put his prospects at about 60/40.  There are a bunch of players in blue that have a better chance to make the team than McCoy.  He should absolutely 1000% be in blue at this stage.