BringBackFlutie Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 5 minutes ago, Boca BIlls said: You forgot the Fitz garbage try with no huddle and Chan? I remember them using it, here and there, like everyone else does. I don't remember an all-out commitment to it like Jauron and Marrone's teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 2 minutes ago, BringBackFlutie said: I remember them using it, here and there, like everyone else does. I don't remember an all-out commitment to it like Jauron and Marrone's teams. Oh yes. Chip Kelly was implementing it as well for the Eagles and was successful at it (for a season) Moron just plain F'd it up. I argued this for 2 full seasons here. (don't let my membership date fool you) http://blogs.buffalobills.com/2014/09/16/up-tempo-will-be-used-when-time-is-right/ https://thesportsdaily.com/2013/02/24/the-k-gun-offense-beyond-no-huddle/ Buffalo Bills' K-Gun offense was groundbreaking https://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/sports/football/nfl/...k.../2817247/ Sep 15, 2013 - Who runs a no-huddle offense in the third quarter? ... Bills coach Doug Marrone had no qualms asking first-year quarterback E.J. Manuel to ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 I remember when the Bills played the Pats with Edwards as QB and they were running the no huddle.....I couldn't believe what I was seeing. There would be like 7 seconds left on the playclock when we snapped the ball. The Pats were able to make substitutions the whole time. What kind of a no huddle is this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted May 29, 2019 Author Share Posted May 29, 2019 33 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: That is one thing I have always suspected would start to come into the rotation given how smart he is and the student of the game type mentality. Being smart is by no means a guarantee you can execute an effective no huddle, but it certainly helps. At the end of the day, it will boil down to Josh ability to apply that intellect and study habits to effectively read defenses...and if he does it well, watch out. A guy like Allen in a no huddle with these guys around him could be a nightmare for defenses to cover. Between his arm strength, his ability to run himself alone it will be tough...but add in a good run game with the RB's and revamped OL, and new receiving threats that put pressure deep, mid field and short...and yikes, no huddle could be a huge weapon for us. I would also argue that we never had the right personnel groupings at key positions (Ok, mostly at QB) since Kelly retired, for that to even be a realistic long term consideration until now. As you said, Allen's existing skill set combined with IF he is able to apply his smarts to effectively reading D's on the fly, would be a more potent version of Peyton--because physically there's no comparison. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 14 minutes ago, whatdrought said: You lose $700 AND the bills win less than 7 games. (doesn't it have to be 7 to cash the over on 6.5?) I couldn't bet on the bills cause I get too hurt when they lose anyways... I don't need that lemon juice. More power to ya though- it does sound like a relatively safe bet. If Bills win 7 games...I win $500 (but lose $200 on the AFCC and SB bet)...so I would be up $300 still at that point. If the Bills win 6 games (or less), then I am out $700. But I am not sweating that...not like its that $5000 crazy bet against the Bills on the Vikings game lol. Just means in the 2nd half to he season if its starting to look like Bills may not get to 7 wins for some reason, I will just stop playing fan duel the 2nd half of the year haha. Now if Bills make the SB I win a bunch of money...and if they were to win that SB I would win a bunch more money for a total of over $16,000. Plus, I think us winning at least 7 games is about as close to a lock as you can get. So I am not sweating it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBean Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 Josh looks good in the no huddle? Where can I buy Super Bowl ticks? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddyjj Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 31 minutes ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said: We need to see a big uptick in our points per game average--16.8 over the course of all of 2018. More offensive plays in theory would help this as well. https://www.buffalorumblings.com/2019/3/4/18245002/buffalo-bills-coach-sean-mcdermott-wants-to-score-21-points-per-game-nfl-offseason-combine I did an analysis of all AFC playoff teams and said scoring 400 pts on year, or 25 ppg is a key indicator for playoff teams in AFC. Here is the main body of a previous post. Some food for thought: The average total points scored for the season by all 2018 qualifying AFC Playoff teams was 442 total points or 28 ppg. For perspective, the Bills scored 269 total points or 17 ppg in 2018. In 2017 the Bills scored 302 total points or 19 ppg when they snuck in the back door of the playoffs. The average points surrendered for the season by all 2018 qualifying AFC Playoff teams was 337 total points or 21 ppg. or perspective, the Bills surrendered 374 total points or 23.5 ppg in 2018. In 2017 the Bills surrendered 359 total points or 22.5 ppg when they snuck in the back door of the playoffs. Weird that they made playoffs with a negative scoring differential. While I can see Bills dropping points against in 2019 to the 21 ppg level with improved D in Yr 3 of system and better time of possession on offense, I am not sure Bills can increase scoring by 11 ppg in 2019. The one playoff team that they could emulate would be Baltimore who scored at a 24.5 ppg rate. Can the Bills score 400 points or 25 points per game in 2019? They did in 2016 with Tyrod and Rex! In 2019 if Josh Allen throws 24 TDs and runs for 12 more TDs we are at 252 points. Throw in 10 Rushing TDs for RBs and we are at 322 points. 26 FGs (his Average) by House Money and we are at 400 Points scored even. Anything else (ST returns or defensive Scores) is Gravy! Bills have to go 6-2 at home and 4-4 on road top have a shot at wild card in 2019. They were 6-2 at home in 2017 but have not gone 4-4 on the road since 2014 when they beat Pats in Foxboro in last game of season when Brady was pulled after halftime. This is the hard part. Good teams can win on the road. So to summarize in 2019 the Bills will make playoffs if they: Go 10-6 on season. The AFC North will be tough but PItt and CIN are in chaos. The NFC East might be the softest division in NFC next year. And we draw TN and DEN as our extra AFC Games and both are winnable. Score 400 or more points or > 25 PPG. Offense improving by 8ppg Give up 335 points or less <21 PPG. Defense improving by 2.5 ppg 2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shooter McGavin Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 1 hour ago, ganesh said: Or Trent Edwards was given the keys for the no-huddle by Chan!!! Are you “dogging” Trent!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 9 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: I remember when the Bills played the Pats with Edwards as QB and they were running the no huddle.....I couldn't believe what I was seeing. There would be like 7 seconds left on the playclock when we snapped the ball. The Pats were able to make substitutions the whole time. What kind of a no huddle is this? Yeah I remember some quote for DJ saying the no huddle doesn't necessarily mean fast? So what was the point?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted May 29, 2019 Author Share Posted May 29, 2019 11 minutes ago, McBean said: Josh looks good in the no huddle? Where can I buy Super Bowl ticks? Well, here's a handy dandy primer for you! https://www.wikihow.com/Get-Super-Bowl-Tickets 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 7 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: If Bills win 7 games...I win $500 (but lose $200 on the AFCC and SB bet)...so I would be up $300 still at that point. If the Bills win 6 games (or less), then I am out $700. But I am not sweating that...not like its that $5000 crazy bet against the Bills on the Vikings game lol. Just means in the 2nd half to he season if its starting to look like Bills may not get to 7 wins for some reason, I will just stop playing fan duel the 2nd half of the year haha. Now if Bills make the SB I win a bunch of money...and if they were to win that SB I would win a bunch more money for a total of over $16,000. Plus, I think us winning at least 7 games is about as close to a lock as you can get. So I am not sweating it Alright you convinced me. DM me to tell me how to make a bet haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 1 minute ago, Captain Hindsight said: Yeah I remember some quote for DJ saying the no huddle doesn't necessarily mean fast? So what was the point?? I guess to make it harder? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 24 minutes ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said: I get it. Nothing worse than a mindless sycophant who's collecting a paycheck to only tout the company line, day in and out. However, that's also why I linked earlier in the thread to Sal's piece about Allen's performance so far, because of the additional cites in Sal's article to other media members (who are not tied to the hip with OBD) all saying the same thing (concerning how good Allen's passes are), which gives Brownie's take on WGR today more credibility in this instance. Allen's either hitting his targets or he's not, and no one has said otherwise, that he's struggling with accuracy or the like. So isn't it great when propaganda accurately intersects with real life? Oh yeah, I'm fine with the report itself, i'm just done with Brown... everytime I look at him I remember those crappy Bills Beat videos or whatever they were. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 1 hour ago, ganesh said: Or Trent Edwards was given the keys for the no-huddle by Chan!!! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 10 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: If Bills win 7 games...I win $500 (but lose $200 on the AFCC and SB bet)...so I would be up $300 still at that point. If the Bills win 6 games (or less), then I am out $700. But I am not sweating that...not like its that $5000 crazy bet against the Bills on the Vikings game lol. Just means in the 2nd half to he season if its starting to look like Bills may not get to 7 wins for some reason, I will just stop playing fan duel the 2nd half of the year haha. Now if Bills make the SB I win a bunch of money...and if they were to win that SB I would win a bunch more money for a total of over $16,000. Plus, I think us winning at least 7 games is about as close to a lock as you can get. So I am not sweating it Well, for your sake I'll root for them to win the Superbowl. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 1 hour ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said: On WGR right now (OBL), Chris Brown says Allen looks incredibly sharp and on point especially in 2 minute drill work, wonders if Daboll will incorporate additional no huddle elements at different spots in games like the Pats are known to do, and Daboll is familiar with that also. Would it be too much to ask for a renaissance of our no huddle offense, version 2.0? Josh seems to be a good candidate, and our improved D could be the key in being able to absorb increased minutes on the field? What say you? Smart kid, scored higher on the wonderlic than Kelly. Don't see why not? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 14 minutes ago, McBean said: Josh looks good in the no huddle? Where can I buy Super Bowl ticks? PM Me and I'll give you my cell you can transfer me the funds ..... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 I'm sorry, but lets all slow down. Yes, I'm excited, but c'mon people, they are in shorts, no pads, no pressure. It is day 5 of OTA's. It means nothing, just like preseason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickey Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 1 hour ago, wiskibreth said: I'm glad the kid is showing progress, that's never a bad thing, but lets not get too far ahead of ourselves here. It's OTAs for heaven's sake. ...and its official, I can't have children....waaaamp---waaaaaaah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 6 minutes ago, whatdrought said: Well, for your sake I'll root for them to win the Superbowl. Thanks! Just looked at my bet tickets again... Its 60-1 on AFCC game win and 125-1 on SB win. So with my 2 $100 bets on each, I would actually hit $18,500 if they hit plus the $500 from the over 6.5 wins bet for a total of $19,000 actually, not $16,000. Made the bet last month, so forgot what the actual odds were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 2 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Thanks! Just looked at my bet tickets again... Its 60-1 on AFCC game win and 125-1 on SB win. So with my 2 $100 bets on each, I would actually hit $18,500 if they hit plus the $500 from the over 6.5 wins bet for a total of $19,000 actually, not $16,000. Made the bet last month, so forgot what the actual odds were. Well, Since I'm helping root for them, you can send me the extra 3k. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 Just now, whatdrought said: Well, Since I'm helping root for them, you can send me the extra 3k. If Zay wins the MVP of the SB I am going to have to send him a chunk too haha 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 2 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: If Zay wins the MVP of the SB I am going to have to send him a chunk too haha 13 catches for 214 yards and 3 touchdowns. ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobbRiddicksTDLeap Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 1 hour ago, ganesh said: Or Trent Edwards was given the keys for the no-huddle by Chan!!! i thought it was the Turk Schonert Era? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 1 hour ago, ganesh said: Or Trent Edwards was given the keys for the no-huddle by Chan!!! The no huddle offense is too quick for Trentative. He needs time to take a look downfield, panic, and then dump the ball off. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 My nipples have never been this hard. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Boca BIlls said: I still remember when Fitz tried no huddle... It was actually Doug Marrine and EJ his rookie year where they went full non huddle for about 8-10 weeks then scrapped it chan only used it a bit Edited May 29, 2019 by Buffalo716 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 13 minutes ago, whatdrought said: 13 catches for 214 yards and 3 touchdowns. ? I will put a Zay statue on my beach patio for all to see as they pass down the bike path if he does that on his way to helping me win $19k. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 1 hour ago, K-9 said: I hope they do. Dictating pace, especially when catching the opponent in a favorable matchup and preventing sub packages is a huge advantage for the offense. One of the things I’ve always respected about the Pats*** under Belichick. This 100% - I do not want the Jim Kelly - no huddle fast attack. That was great; but I do not need that pace all game long. Give me a huddle when you come out for a few plays and then after you get a first down or two and you have some D-line getting tired - pick up the pace and don’t let them substitute and let the offense dictate the tempo and plays. Use it especially on 3rd down and short - you have the entire playbook - from QB sneak to long pass available and you can get the defense in a pickle before you even snap the ball. It is a huge advantage for the offense and one very few teams take advantage of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 2 hours ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said: On WGR right now (OBL), Chris Brown says Allen looks incredibly sharp and on point especially in 2 minute drill work, wonders if Daboll will incorporate additional no huddle elements at different spots in games like the Pats are known to do, and Daboll is familiar with that also. Would it be too much to ask for a renaissance of our no huddle offense, version 2.0? Josh seems to be a good candidate, and our improved D could be the key in being able to absorb increased minutes on the field? What say you? Who do we have that can do the hard count? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Bills Fan Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 Kyle Orton ran it as well but slid a yard shy and gave up on it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted May 29, 2019 Author Share Posted May 29, 2019 13 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said: Who do we have that can do the hard count? We're good. https://247sports.com/nfl/detroit-lions/Article/Lions-Jarrad-Davis-admits-fault-for-Offside-126448179/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clearwater cadet Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 1 hour ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Correct BUT Moron Marrone only executed the NH when EJ was under center. AND no one else during the season when EJ was injured. How stupid was that? I remember that, we were playing the Pats at Home, leading with about a bit over 4 mins on the clock in the 4th, and they run the no huddle which we went 3 and out in about 30 sec. They gave the ball back to Tommy terrific with over 3 mins and 3 times. I don't have to tell you how it ended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakeBuffaloGreatAgain Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 1 hour ago, whatdrought said: You know what I think? I think that Chris Brown is one of (if not the) the most tenured people at OBD, and I think it's about time we transition... I associate him with all kinds of horrible football teams. There's a version of this that ends very badly for you... Only a couple hundred bucks badly... not too bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 24 minutes ago, Jay_Fixit said: My nipples have never been this hard. I'll take "words I never expected to read on TSW" for $1000, Alex... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 I love everything about Josh Allen and I think (and hope) he will be a mega-franchise QB. But let's slow down a little here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobot Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 I miss going 3 and out in under 30 seconds. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forward Progress Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 (edited) I like using the no-huddle opportunistically to: Prevent defensive substitutions when there is a personnel miss-match in our favor When a reviewable play has gone our way - to minimize time for opponents review We are losing and a few more plays are in our best interest Random Moments - to catch the defense flat-footed or in the middle of a substitution (I hate it when every play starts with one second on the play clock - the defense can time the snap too easily) The opportunistic no-huddle has much more value to me than always running the no-huddle. I hate complementing the Pats*, but they do this well. Edited May 29, 2019 by Forward Progress 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ko12010 Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 2 hours ago, Tenhigh said: TT ran a very SLOW no huddle himself.... TT seemed like snorted a massive dose of beta blockers before every game. He came off like he was chilling at the beach or something. If he had more swag (other than his apparent fashion sense, which has gone off the rails imo), and killer instinct, he could have been more successful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 6 minutes ago, ko12010 said: TT seemed like snorted a massive dose of beta blockers before every game. He came off like he was chilling at the beach or something. If he had more swag (other than his apparent fashion sense, which has gone off the rails imo), and killer instinct, he could have been more successful. the few times TuhRod showed spunk was when he was about to be pulled due to injury. And playing injured really does not benefit a MEH player 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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