Successful season...what will it take?

[SinceThe70s]

3 minutes ago, Boca BIlls said:

Then playoffs... 

 

Ideally playoffs and one or many playoff wins is part of it next year. 

[Marv's Neighbor]

16 W's would do it.

[#34fan]

If there's any truth to this process spiel, ten wins is more than reasonable to expect...  TBH, 11 wins would let me know that all my skepticism was unwarranted.

 

Also, McBeane's draft picks have to make strides...  If there really was a plan for taking these kids, It'd be nice to see it in action...

 

 

[The Senator]

5 hours ago, NewEra said:

I mean, how can we be happy if DK Metcalf has 1000 yards and 10tds!?!?  

 

He didn’t do that in his less than two seasons of college ball, so why and how could you possibly expect that of him in the NFL?

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[Zerovoltz]

I think one or maybe two people hit on it kind of....the record and playoffs are simply side shows this year....if you win games and make the playoffs...that would of course be great....but if you go 8-8 with a wild card berth and Josh Allen completed 56% of his passes while throwing for 14 TD and 12 INTS...you get crushed in the wild card game...that is a failed season.

 

5-11 but Allen gets that comp % up to 58-60 or better, 20 or more TD with 12 or fewer INTS..that would be progress and something to continue to build on....it would be better than the 1st scenario making the playoffs.

 

You need to know by the end of next season what you have in Allen.  The bills have gotten out of cap hell, they've turned the roster over and they have aquired some actual pieces and parts to go around Allen....and you had what I and many others would say was a very very good draft.  The 2019 Season is ALL ABOUT ALLEN.  Period.  

 

I won't be looking at W/L record when I watch the Bills this year...I am watching Allen...I want to see the progress.  

[GunnerBill]

8 hours ago, billsredneck1 said:

i don't have time right now to read all the posts, but imo, the most important thing to our success is mcd making sure mcfrazier is living in the 2000's.

 

we have got to have an attacking defense....not relying on the front 4 and two or 3 blitzes a season, but kicking some qb asses. it ain't that hard. if it is, maybe we need to hire back jim schartz or pettine for 2020.

 

there, i drew the line in the sand. the antiquated defense is the only thing that can keep us out of the playoffs.

 

Hmmm. You do realise that the 2018 Bills had the 31st ranked offense and 2nd ranked defense, right?

 

And you talk about antiquated but it is the big blitzing defenses that are antiquated. A team whose defense relies on the blitz are struggling because the NFL has become a ball out quick league. The teams that are winning on defense (including Jim Schwartz by the way both when he was here and in Philly) are doing it by getting home with 4. 

 

Now can Leslie Frazier get a bit too passive at times in games and retreat a little bit into a safety first cover 2 shell? Yes, he can that is definitely a concern and when he does it is on McDermott to remind him that they are running the Jim Johnson defense not the Tony Dungy defense.... but the biggest reason the Bills have struggled to generate pressure on the Quarterback the last two seasons? They didn't have the horses. I think Ed Oliver will help massively. They are still not where they need to be in terms of edge rusher opposite Jerry Hughes but I expect them to be better than last year.

 

And I would say the one thing that can keep us out of the playoffs in 2019 is insufficient progress from our 31st ranked offense. 

[formerlyofCtown]

Keeping all the changes in mind.  If we win 6 of the our last 8 games its progress.

 

Success is the same for everyteam.  A winning record and playoffs.

[nucci]

1 hour ago, Zerovoltz said:

I think one or maybe two people hit on it kind of....the record and playoffs are simply side shows this year....if you win games and make the playoffs...that would of course be great....but if you go 8-8 with a wild card berth and Josh Allen completed 56% of his passes while throwing for 14 TD and 12 INTS...you get crushed in the wild card game...that is a failed season.

 

5-11 but Allen gets that comp % up to 58-60 or better, 20 or more TD with 12 or fewer INTS..that would be progress and something to continue to build on....it would be better than the 1st scenario making the playoffs.

 

You need to know by the end of next season what you have in Allen.  The bills have gotten out of cap hell, they've turned the roster over and they have aquired some actual pieces and parts to go around Allen....and you had what I and many others would say was a very very good draft.  The 2019 Season is ALL ABOUT ALLEN.  Period.  

 

I won't be looking at W/L record when I watch the Bills this year...I am watching Allen...I want to see the progress.  

why don't people in Buffalo want to make the playoffs? W-L is kinda important....that's how you measure progress

[GunnerBill]

2 hours ago, Zerovoltz said:

I think one or maybe two people hit on it kind of....the record and playoffs are simply side shows this year....if you win games and make the playoffs...that would of course be great....but if you go 8-8 with a wild card berth and Josh Allen completed 56% of his passes while throwing for 14 TD and 12 INTS...you get crushed in the wild card game...that is a failed season.

 

5-11 but Allen gets that comp % up to 58-60 or better, 20 or more TD with 12 or fewer INTS..that would be progress and something to continue to build on....it would be better than the 1st scenario making the playoffs.

 

You need to know by the end of next season what you have in Allen.  The bills have gotten out of cap hell, they've turned the roster over and they have aquired some actual pieces and parts to go around Allen....and you had what I and many others would say was a very very good draft.  The 2019 Season is ALL ABOUT ALLEN.  Period.  

 

I won't be looking at W/L record when I watch the Bills this year...I am watching Allen...I want to see the progress.  

 

I struggle to imagine a scenario where Josh has those numbers and the Bills go 5-11. Our defense is too fundamentally sound and will give us at least a couple of games where we hardly have to score to win. Is it possible we finish 8-8 with Josh still struggling? Yep. Is it possible that Josh takes a genuine step forward and the Bills only win 5 games? Not for me. If Josh goes 59%; 23 passing TDs and 12 INTs then the Bills are winning 8 as an absolute minimum.

[JoPar_v2]

Just get in the playoffs. I know it’s not as wild as say, hockey, but just get a ticket to the show and if things go your way you’re in the mix for the title.

[chaccof]

2 hours ago, nucci said:

why don't people in Buffalo want to make the playoffs? W-L is kinda important....that's how you measure progress

I agree,  Nucci - and actually I care less about the record and more about making the playoffs - to me the team can "grow" and "progress" and Allen can show "development" but at the end of the day none of that matters if the team doesn't at least get into the dance.  And once the team makes the playoffs it needs to be able to contend on a consistent basis.  The only precedent I have is the teams of the mid-'80s through mid-'90s.  Kelly joins the team, through drafts and some trades a core of great players comes together, the team finally makes the playoffs in spectacular fashion in '88 and the rest is history.   

 

 The draft is very encouraging.  Its a step in the very positive direction.   At some point though the team has to put up or shut up...

[BuffaloHokie13]

I don't care about the record specifically, or home/away, but a success this year is a playoff win.

[SoCal Deek]

9-7 and in the hunt...or at least with a strong late season win streak. Throw in a win over the Patriots and the season will be considered a success with all things pointing to 2020. This year will be Shadys last and we’ll look back one day on 2019 as the building block season. Many will say “oh yeah I forgot McCoy was still our RB that season” much like some remember Moulds last year or two.

[FeelingOnYouboty]

Josh Allen solidifies himself as a true Franchise QB and we make the playoffs because of him and not in spite of him. 

[Mrbojanglezs]

I voted 8-8 but I voted in the sense that: what will it take for Sean McDermott not to be let go? I said 8-8, any less he could be in jeopardy to replace him with an offensive minded coach.

[NewEra]

10 hours ago, The Senator said:

 

He didn’t do that in his less than two seasons of college ball, so why and how could you possibly expect that of him in the NFL?

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Ask @Chemical he told me it was going to happen.  And we’d be sad

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

12 hours ago, The Senator said:

 

He didn’t do that in his less than two seasons of college ball, so why and how could you possibly expect that of him in the NFL?

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He actually did 

 

1215 yds in 19 games= 63.9yds/game x 16 games = 1023yards per season 

 

12TDs in 19 games = .63TD/game x 16 games = 10TD per season

 

he also averaged over 20yards per catch last season. 4th best I think in college football. Tell me Wilson isn’t going to just chuck it up to him deep at least 5 times a game. 

 

 

Edited April 29, 2019 by Chemical

[H2o]

Playoffs or bust

[Chandler#81]

17 hours ago, billsredneck1 said:

i don't have time right now to read all the posts, but imo, the most important thing to our success is mcd making sure mcfrazier is living in the 2000's.

 

we have got to have an attacking defense....not relying on the front 4 and two or 3 blitzes a season, but kicking some qb asses. it ain't that hard. if it is, maybe we need to hire back jim schartz or pettine for 2020.

 

there, i drew the line in the sand. the antiquated defense is the only thing that can keep us out of the playoffs.

Just a thought, there #1 redneck, perhaps you should MAKE the time to read all the posts -instead of Drive-by Grenading. You just may find you learn about your team.

It’s Monday. Lay off the white lightnin’ for a few daze..

[badassgixxer05]

20 hours ago, NewEra said:

I mean, how can we be happy if DK Metcalf has 1000 yards and 10tds!?!?  

If Zay Jones puts up those same numbers.. ?

[The Senator]

2 hours ago, Chemical said:

 

He actually did 

 

1215 yds in 19 games= 63.9yds/game x 16 games = 1023yards per season 

 

12TDs in 19 games = .63TD/game x 16 games = 10TD per season

 

he also averaged over 20yards per catch last season. 4th best I think in college football. Tell me Wilson isn’t going to just chuck it up to him deep at least 5 times a game. 

 

 

No, he actually didn’t.

 

If you torture the numbers long enough, they’ll confess to anything you want.

 

Here are Metcalf’s actual stats...

 

2016: GP-2, REC YDS- 2, RUSHING-0, TDS-0

2017: GP- 12, REC YDS-646, RUSHING-0, TDS-7

2018: GP-7, REC YDS-569, RUSHING-0, TDS-5

 

Less than 2 full seasons of college ball, unimpressive production, and apparently fragile and injury prone.

 

I’m glad Beane passed, twice, as did everyone else until Seattle finally took him at #64.

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[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

30 minutes ago, The Senator said:

 

No, he actually didn’t.

 

If you torture the numbers long enough, they’ll confess to anything you want.

 

Here are Metcalf’s actual stats...

 

2016: GP-2, REC YDS- 2, RUSHING-0, TDS-0

2017: GP- 12, REC YDS-646, RUSHING-0, TDS-7

2018: GP-7, REC YDS-569, RUSHING-0, TDS-5

 

Less than 2 full seasons of college ball, unimpressive production, and apparently fragile and injury prone.

 

I’m glad Beane passed, twice, as did everyone else until Seattle finally took him at #64.

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Torture the numbers? It’s just the average per game. Pretty simple. 

[ndirish1978]

I want to see an offense that gives me some confidence. I need to see a solid OL and I need to see Josh take steps as a passer on short to intermediate route and improve his decision-making.

[The Senator]

1 minute ago, Chemical said:

 

Torture the numbers? It’s just the average per game. Pretty simple. 

 

Did I not mention “injury prone”?

 

Guy has never played a 16 game season, and only lasted 12 games once in 3 years, so taking his two year totals,  dividing them by his two year total number of games to extrapolate a per-game average, then multiplying that number by 16 games to come up with numbers to support your erroneous supposition is, well, ridiculous.

 

(I noticed you left out Metcalf’s two-game freshman season and his two yards total production - how would adding two games, two total yards, and zero TDs skew your fuzzy math?)

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[87168]

a playoff win.

 

2 seasons ago this team sneaked into the playoffs with what many here considered to be a very inferior roster (QB especially). according to many here, the team's playoff appearance was solely due to coaching and some luck (thanks Cincy), not talent or QB performance.

 

with that said, since 2017 the same coach has completely retooled the offense, got the QB he wanted and revamped the roster.

 

he should have everything he needs to get the team to the playoffs and get a WIN.

Edited April 29, 2019 by 87168

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

1 minute ago, The Senator said:

 

Did I not mention “injury prone”?

 

Guy has never played a 16 game season, and only lasted 12 games once in 3 years, so taking his two year totals,  dividing them by his two year total number of games to extrapolate a per-game average, then multiplying that number by 16 games to come up with numbers to support your erroneous supposition is, well, ridiculous.

 

(I noticed you left out Metcalf’s two-game freshman season and his two yards total production - how would adding two games, two total yards, and zero TDs skew your fuzzy math?)

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 They only play 12 games in college 

1 minute ago, 87168 said:

a playoff win.

 

2 seasons ago this team sneaked into the playoffs with what many here considered to be a very inferior roster (QB especially). according to many here, the team's playoff appearance was solely due to coaching, not talent or QB performance.

 

with that said, since 2017 the same coach has completely retooled the offense, got the QB he wanted and revamped the roster.

 

he should have everything he needs to get the team to the playoffs and get a WIN.

 

 

Besides es are you sure you want to be making a production argument against a prospect when so many of buffalo’s recent draft picks are poster boys for poor college production (Allen, Knox, Oliver’s sack numbers)

[The Senator]

39 minutes ago, Chemical said:

 They only play 12 games in college 

 

No sh*t.  Thanks for that helpful info.

 

Since you like to take totals and divide them, then multiply by other hypothetical numbers, Metcalf played 21 games in 3 seasons.

 

Take his total production, divide by 21 games, and what do you come up with?

 

I’ll help you -1217 yards.  Divide by 21 games - 58 yards per game (I was generous and rounded up).  Now multiply 58 yards per game by 16 games (your formula).

 

Doesn’t give you 1,000 yards, does it?

 

And he only lasted the full 12 games once in 3 seasons, so to think he’ll last 16 in the NFL is, well, ludicrous.

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Edited April 29, 2019 by The Senator

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

2 hours ago, The Senator said:

 

No sh*t.  Thanks for that helpful info.

 

Since you like to take totals and divide them, then multiply by other hypothetical numbers, Metcalf played 21 games in 3 seasons.

 

Take his total production, divide by 21 games, and what do you come up with?

 

I’ll help you -1217 yards.  Divide by 21 games - 58 yards per game (I was generous and rounded up).  Now multiply 58 yards per game by 16 games (your formula).

 

Doesn’t give you 1,000 yards, does it?

 

And he only lasted the full 12 games once in 3 seasons, so to think he’ll last 16 in the NFL is, well, ludicrous.

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We’ll see

[The Senator]

5 minutes ago, Chemical said:

 

We’ll see

 

Broken foot 2 games into his freshman season, and broken neck 7 games into his red-shirt sophomore season.

 

Yes, we’ll see.

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[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

4 minutes ago, The Senator said:

 

Broken foot 2 games into his freshman season, and broken neck 7 games into his red-shirt sophomore season.

 

Yes, we’ll see.

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Yeah sounds like those two injuries are totally related and a sign that he doesn’t protect his feet or neck properly. Or a coincidence and part of playing a violent game. We’ll see 

[The Senator]

2 minutes ago, Chemical said:

 

Yeah sounds like those two injuries are totally related and a sign that he doesn’t protect his feet or neck properly. Or a coincidence and part of playing a violent game. We’ll see 

 

Or is he just fragile and injury prone?  We’ll see.

 

Violent game?  It gets a lot more violent in the NFL than the SEC.

 

Yes, we’ll see.

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[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

1 minute ago, The Senator said:

 

Or is he just fragile and injury prone?  We’ll see.

 

Violent game?  It gets a lot more violent in the NFL than the SEC.

 

Yes, we’ll see.

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Have you ever broken a bone? If so does that mean your fragile? So dumb 

 

3 minutes ago, The Senator said:

 

Or is he just fragile and injury prone?  We’ll see.

 

Violent game?  It gets a lot more violent in the NFL than the SEC.

 

Yes, we’ll see.

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 Cody Ford broke his leg in 2016. Am I concerned? No because I’m not an idiot 

[The Senator]

13 minutes ago, Chemical said:

Have you ever broken a bone? If so does that mean your fragile? So dumb 

 

Yes, I have, several in fact.  Mostly playing sports, none so violent as NFL football.

 

13 minutes ago, Chemical said:

 

 Cody Ford broke his leg in 2016. Am I concerned? No because I’m not an idiot 

 

Jury’s out on that one.

 

Ford broke his fibula in his red-shirt freshman season.  Came back and played two more seasons.

 

Metcalf broke his neck as a red-shirt sophomore, then, with quite unimpressive stats, declared for the NFL draft.

 

(Eric Woods immediately retired after a neck injury, so maybe add stupid to Metcalf’s long list of shortcomings.)

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[GunnerBill]

58 minutes ago, Chemical said:

 

We’ll see

 

Oh we definitely will

 

[RobbRiddicksTDLeap]

It seems to be the current trend with the good young QB’s that year 2 is the playoff run if you’re good, and sitting at home in January if you’re not. 

 

If the playoffs aren’t in site in December, that will be a HUGE disappointment for me. I feel like the offense is good enough now with this line and the receivers we have, to be competitive enough to make that top 5 defense even better.  

[LSHMEAB]

4 hours ago, The Senator said:

 

No, he actually didn’t.

 

If you torture the numbers long enough, they’ll confess to anything you want.

 

Here are Metcalf’s actual stats...

 

2016: GP-2, REC YDS- 2, RUSHING-0, TDS-0

2017: GP- 12, REC YDS-646, RUSHING-0, TDS-7

2018: GP-7, REC YDS-569, RUSHING-0, TDS-5

 

Less than 2 full seasons of college ball, unimpressive production, and apparently fragile and injury prone.

 

I’m glad Beane passed, twice, as did everyone else until Seattle finally took him at #64.

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Not sure why you'd feel the need to include rushing TD's there Senator. Pretty sure they didn't use DK much out of the backfield or on reverses. Not his niche.

 

I wanted Metcalf, but I'll get over it.

[The Senator]

15 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said:

Not sure why you'd feel the need to include rushing TD's there Senator. Pretty sure they didn't use DK much out of the backfield or on reverses. Not his niche.

 

I wanted Metcalf, but I'll get over it.

 

Actually, those are all receiving TDs.  As you accurately point out, Ole’ Miss didn’t use him that way, and I really didn’t feel I needed to make the distinction, since 0 rushing yards = 0 rushing TDs.

 

EDIT:  Maybe I could have been clearer if I wrote ‘RUSHING YDS’ rather than simply ‘RUSHING’.  My bad.  Too many keystrokes, and my fingers were getting tired.

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Edited April 30, 2019 by The Senator

[HOUSE]

A shut out in the Superbowl

 

Bills 43 Seahawks 0

 

 

 

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Edited April 30, 2019 by HOUSE

[Zerovoltz]

14 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I struggle to imagine a scenario where Josh has those numbers and the Bills go 5-11. Our defense is too fundamentally sound and will give us at least a couple of games where we hardly have to score to win. Is it possible we finish 8-8 with Josh still struggling? Yep. Is it possible that Josh takes a genuine step forward and the Bills only win 5 games? Not for me. If Josh goes 59%; 23 passing TDs and 12 INTs then the Bills are winning 8 as an absolute minimum.

Big Ben threw for 30 something TD and 5000 yards and Pittsburg did not make the playoffs.  

[Nihilarian]

The 2018 Buffalo Bills were the #1 team in the NFL in pass defense and they added EJ Gains. So teams ran on them pretty well multiple times. What changed on the defense this off season?

 

The Bills replaced Kyle Williams with a 6'2'' 287 Lb DT to replace Williams. I don't see the improved run defense as Oliver is a penetrating DT to rush the passer and disrupt the backfield. This is the NFL and there are 330lb monster O-lineMEN ...not college kids. The Bills need to add more run support on that D line IMO. 

 

I'm kinda hoping the Bills offer a late 2020 draft pick to the Bucs for Gerald McCoy and they do have the cap space. Then they sign Ziggy Ansah who would help in the pass rush rotation. 

 

I don't want to just beat opponents, I want to crush them, see them driven before me, hear the...well you get the picture. 

 

The offense should be very improved in the run game with the RBs and not need to have the QB to be the HB leading the team in rushing this season. That Bills O line should be so improved that the run game should be top five. The pass game with John Brown, Cole Beasley, and ex CFL WR Duke Williams should be much improved too. 

 

The improvement in the run game and run defense should vault the team to a winning season. I also want to see the 2019 Buffalo Bills beat the crap out of the New England Patriots at least once. 9-7 or better will make me happy. 10-6 I would be ecstatic and any better would be euphoric!  

 

With the free agent signings, the draft and the un-drafted free agents this team has enough talent to compete with the best in the NFL. JMHO