Who to draft on Day 2

[SCBills]

5 minutes ago, APoxOnYou said:

I think i'd take DK. 

 

Agreed.  Even if all he can do is run go routes, at his size and speed, that's still useful with Allen's arm.  Brown & Foster can run the comebacks etc..

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

Just now, Joe in Winslow said:

 

Right, so provide "context" to prove your contention. The numbers say I'm right. Provide a counter.

 

I mean, you haven't provided any numbers; I am not sure why I would counter...

 

But ok, last year Brown was on pace for 1000 yards before Lamar Jackson (a QB notorious for being a terrible passer) was brought in.  Once that happened, the entire Baltimore passing offense shut down. That production is 100% good enough for better than the "3" label. 

 

Before injury, in 2017, Kroft had like 7 or 8 TDs.  Even by stats alone, he is obviously good enough to be called, at least, a "2" TE.  

[SCBills]

1 minute ago, JohninMinn. said:

Too many guards not enough tackles?

 

We have a pretty decent swing tackle in Waddle.  Dawkins/Nsekhe seem to be LT/RT.  We could use a stud, but could also do a lot worse.

[YattaOkasan]

To those saying WR I think next year's draft is more stacked; thus, I think they stay away from it til next year.  I think they go with the deep parts of this class OT, TE, DE.  I would take Irv, Taylor, Ford, Winnovich or Ferguson.  As others have mentioned, throw in a late pick and move up (I don't know the points sorry) to get the guy you want.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

4 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

 

I mean, you haven't provided any numbers; I am not sure why I would counter...

 

But ok, last year Brown was on pace for 1000 yards before Lamar Jackson (a QB notorious for being a terrible passer) was brought in.  Once that happened, the entire Baltimore passing offense shut down. That production is 100% good enough for better than the "3" label. 

 

Before injury, in 2017, Kroft had like 7 or 8 TDs.  Even by stats alone, he is obviously good enough to be called, at least, a "2" TE.  

 

So by your own admission, at BEST these guys are twos. At best. Is that good enough for you to say "let's draft more defense/bpa?"

Edited April 26, 2019 by Joe in Winslow

[Kirby Jackson]

Just now, Joe in Winslow said:

 

So by your own admission, at BEST these guys are twos. At best. Is that good enough for you to say "let's draft mores defense/bpa?"

That’s why I’m all in on DK at this point. He COULD be a 1. He might stink but he could be a 1. Everyone else is a 2 or below IMO. We have bodies at the position. I want a swing at a potential star.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, Kirby Jackson said:

That’s why I’m all in on DK at this point. He COULD be a 1. He might stink but he could be a 1. Everyone else is a 2 or below IMO. We have bodies at the position. I want a swing at a potential star.

 

At least SOMEONE gets it. Great post.

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

Just now, Joe in Winslow said:

 

So by your own admission, at BEST these guys are twos. At best. Is that good enough for you to say "let's draft mores defense/bpa?"

 

That is an entirely different discussion than what I challenged you on. 

 

But since this is where we are now: It is a philosophy thing.  TE is the most over rated position in all of sports.  I really don't care if we get anything more than minimum production (500 yards, 4-5 TDs) from my TE, so long as he can block.  The concept of a WR1 is a product of the media, videogames, and fantasy football.  I do not care if we have an all-pro WR if the passing game, on the whole, suffers.  I care how the entire unit plays and looks.  In the end, the WRs only matter so far as the QB throwing them football is good. If we get great production from Allen, the WRs will look like stars.  If we don't, they will look terrible.  That is just how it goes.  WRs get all the credit for the QBs accomplishments.   

[KellyToTasker]

2 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

That’s why I’m all in on DK at this point. He COULD be a 1. He might stink but he could be a 1. Everyone else is a 2 or below IMO. We have bodies at the position. I want a swing at a potential star.

Good enough for me.....I'm sold. Get DK.

[billsfan1959]

For me, Offensive weapons should be the focus in Rd 2

 

1. DK Metcalf: Highest ceiling of any receiver in this draft (This alone should warrant a 2nd round pick). His best skills match up perfectly with Allen's strengths.

or

2. Hakeem Butler: May actually be the best receiver in this draft.

Edited April 26, 2019 by billsfan1959

[MrEpsYtown]

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2019-nfl-draft-best-available-prospects-for-round-2-highlighted-by-drew-lock-greedy-williams-a-j-brown/

 

Anyone else find it funny, that for the second year in a row, Chris Trapasso's QB1 best quarterbacks in the draft (Mason Rudolph, Drew Lock) are still avalable after round 1? 

 

Maybe he should stop analyzing quarterbacks? 

[BuffaloHokie13]

3 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

That’s why I’m all in on DK at this point. He COULD be a 1. He might stink but he could be a 1. Everyone else is a 2 or below IMO. We have bodies at the position. I want a swing at a potential star.

I do think that John Brown has a chance to pull a Marquise Goodwin assuming he's given the reps, but I want DK. I'm legit salivating at the idea of lining up DK & Rob Foster outside with John Brown in the Slot. That is just incredible speed.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

Wrs get all the credit for the QBs accomplishments.   

 

So tyreek hill is only the product of Patrick mahomes' production?

[billsfan1959]

1 minute ago, MrEpsYtown said:

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2019-nfl-draft-best-available-prospects-for-round-2-highlighted-by-drew-lock-greedy-williams-a-j-brown/

 

Anyone else find it funny, that for the second year in a row, Chris Trapasso's QB1 best quarterbacks in the draft (Mason Rudolph, Drew Lock) are still avalable after round 1? 

 

Maybe he should stop analyzing quarterbacks? 

Or else stop using the word, "best" - as I do not think it means what he thinks it means 

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

Just now, Joe in Winslow said:

 

So tyreek hill is only the product of Patrick mahomes' production?

 

Larry Fitz would have been a better rebuttal to my point, but he is also a generational talent whereas Tyreek Hill is not. 

 

There are exceptions to every rule.  And there is nothing that says Hill plays as well in a different system, but on the whole, WRs are only as good as their QBs. 

[rodneykm]

I think we'll get both Taylor and DK

[Kirby Jackson]

Just now, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

 

Larry Fitz would have been a better rebuttal to my point, but he is also a generational talent whereas Tyreek Hill is not. 

 

There are exceptions to every rule.  And there is nothing that says Hill plays as well in a different system, but on the whole, WRs are only as good as their QBs. 

Is Deandre Hopkins a product of Tom Savage and Brock Osweiler?

[DuckyBoys]

2 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

At least SOMEONE gets it. Great post.

Think he's a great swing at the fences in the 2nd.  He should have never run the shuttle and 3 cone.  Daboll is not going to ask a 240lb wr to run double moves anyways. 

[Rufridr101]

Dalton risner should be considered at 40 lots of receivers left and lots of TE left. Tackles not so much. 

[LabattBlue]

I've read several reports on Hakeem Butler, and they all mention that he has hands of stones.  Why take a guy like this in the 2nd round.  Maybe 4th or 5th...if you think you can correct the problem.

[Pete]

18 minutes ago, YattaOkasan said:

To those saying WR I think next year's draft is more stacked; thus, I think they stay away from it til next year.  I think they go with the deep parts of this class OT, TE, DE.  I would take Irv, Taylor, Ford, Winnovich or Ferguson.  As others have mentioned, throw in a late pick and move up (I don't know the points sorry) to get the guy you want.

Good point.  Next years draft is loaded with skill positions, but weak on online.  Beane is factoring that in with his decision making process.  This years draft is deep at TE.  The bills should draft one today.  And DK in second round is a bargain!

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

9 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Is Deandre Hopkins a product of Tom Savage and Brock Osweiler?

 

I mean, you already know my answer...It was in the quote you responded to. Your comment isn't responsive. 

[billsbackto81]

1 hour ago, LabattBlue said:

AJ Brown is 6’ 226 lbs?   Isn’t that a little on the “heavy” side for a WR?

Watch his tape. He's the safest WR prospect in the draft. He can play slot or outside and is physical. I'd love to have that kid on the team. His downside is lack of long speed but we have plenty of burners anyway.

[Bangarang]

8 minutes ago, Rufridr101 said:

Dalton risner should be considered at 40 lots of receivers left and lots of TE left. Tackles not so much. 

 

Risner is likely going to play guard in the NFL. Regardless, he’s good enough to warrant serious consideration at 40

[Joe Miner]

1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said:

That’s why I’m all in on DK at this point. He COULD be a 1. He might stink but he could be a 1. Everyone else is a 2 or below IMO. We have bodies at the position. I want a swing at a potential star.

 

If be happy with DK at this point.

 

Difference between swinging for the fences on the first pitch and when you're ahead in the count 3-0.

Edited April 26, 2019 by Joe Miner

[YoloinOhio]

 

[mannc]

15 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

 

Larry Fitz would have been a better rebuttal to my point, but he is also a generational talent whereas Tyreek Hill is not. 

 

There are exceptions to every rule.  And there is nothing that says Hill plays as well in a different system, but on the whole, WRs are only as good as their QBs. 

No, Larry Fitzgerald is not a “generational” talent. (This is a good example of why i hate that word.)  He’s played at a high level for a long time, but he’s been first team all-pro only one time.  He’s never been as good as Tyreek Hill is right now.  Never.

[End The Drought]

 

[Pete]

DK or Jaylon at 40 if we are lucky again.

cody ford, Murphy, Irv, little, rock ya, would all be great picks as well.  Murphy fits our secondary perfect and could possibly be bpa at 40.   Jaylon and Oliver has been my dream draft scenario.  The Bills D will be fun to watch with a new, improved pass rush!

[BillsMafia13]

2 hours ago, mjt328 said:

The experts have been saying it for months.  The 2nd Round of this draft is going to produce the most value of the entire class.

Over the next 20-25 picks, there will still be several players available who could have gone in the 1st Round.  After that is when the drop in talent will occur.

Our best move was not trading back up into the 1st Round.  Our best move will likely be to trade back up into the middle/end of the 2nd Round.

 

That's the beauty of what Brandon Beane accomplished in free agency, and us being fortunate to land Ed Oliver at #9. 

We don't have ANY desperate needs anywhere on the roster.  Sure there are positions we all would like to add another body.  Some may prefer one position over another (and you can see the arguments all over this board).  But nothing we should be sweating about addressing immediately.

 

We can stay put and land one of the better WRs in this draft.  Or a very good O-Lineman.  Or one of the Top 3 TEs.  Or possibly the best CB in this class.  Don't get desperate.  Just let someone fall to you.

 

We can close the thread now.  You hammered every nail right there

[NewEraBills]

Would really like for the Bills to walk away with three picks today.  My perfect scenario would be:

 

Metcalf

Ferguson

Sumia, Nate Davis or Josh Oliver

[BuffaloFan68]

How about Risner, O-line, then WR Whiteside and then somewhere down the line our next Thurmanator  Bryce Love?  

Let's Go Buffalo!!!!!

[SCBills]

44 minutes ago, billsbackto81 said:

Watch his tape. He's the safest WR prospect in the draft. He can play slot or outside and is physical. I'd love to have that kid on the team. His downside is lack of long speed but we have plenty of burners anyway.

 

We have a lot of solid players.  We need superstars.  DK could be a superstar.  He could also suck.  Whatever...  What we don't need is a guy who blends in with the stable of 2/3 WR's we already have.

[buffaloboyinATL]

I would not be surprised at all to see Jawaan Taylor if he clears medical assessment. Would be one hell of a right tackle.

[BillsMafia13]

1 hour ago, JohninMinn. said:

Too many guards not enough tackles?

Is there a tackle left that can dethrone Dawkins?  Serious Q, we need guards but that would be interesting

[buffaloboyinATL]

Just now, SCBills said:

 

We have a lot of solid players.  We need superstars.  DK could be a superstar.  He could also suck.  Whatever...  What we don't need is a guy who blends in with the stable of 2/3 WR's we already have.

I don't think Metcalf will suck. He just may never be a typical #1 receiver.  He only runs a few routes but he runs them really well.  Teams would absolutely have to account for him and respect his deep threat.

[ndirish1978]

Dalton Risner, Cody Ford, AJ Brown, DK Metcalf, Irv Smith Jr., Chase Winovich, Jaylon Ferguson, Amani Oruwariye, Greedy Williams, Hakeem Butler, Julian Love. They can't all be gone before we pick at 8 - we will be getting a good player here.

Edited April 26, 2019 by ndirish1978

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

37 minutes ago, mannc said:

No, Larry Fitzgerald is not a “generational” talent. (This is a good example of why i hate that word.)  He’s played at a high level for a long time, but he’s been first team all-pro only one time.  He’s never been as good as Tyreek Hill is right now.  Never.

 

I hate the term "generational" talent. That said, Larry Fitz is a generational talent. He has a produced at a high level for a prolonged period of time, under incredibly tough circumstances, like almost no one before him has.  Tyreek Hill is a one hit wonder and about to be out of the NFL.  While Larry is getting inducted into the hall of fame, Hill will be an afterthought on KC message boards. 

[Real McClappy]

AJ

DK

J.Taylor

 

PLEASE!

[iccrewman112]

6 minutes ago, buffaloboyinATL said:

I don't think Metcalf will suck. He just may never be a typical #1 receiver.  He only runs a few routes but he runs them really well.  Teams would absolutely have to account for him and respect his deep threat.

 

To me he is Similar to Dez Bryant in that regard. Limited routes great size and strength.