N.Y. Orangeman Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 (edited) FWIW... https://bleav.com/podcast/who-will-the-new-york-jets-target/ 8:45 mark Pauline: Bills like Jonah Williams, Andre Dillard and Ed Oliver. -Like Drew Sample at TE (4th) Edited April 11, 2019 by N.Y. Orangeman 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 If this is true, I'd bet the order of preference goes 1. Oliver 2. Williams 3. Dillard Just a guess. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakeBuffaloGreatAgain Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 Dillard 1000x’s over before Williams 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 Definitely interesting to hear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 Huh? Why Williams I wonder? With all the improvements we've made along the offensive line (especially the interior), wouldn't you think they'd want to draft a day 1 starter at 9 overall? Maybe they truly view him as a LT? I just don't see him being successful at either OT position due to lack of size/strength, but I'm certainly no expert. Everything I'm reading lately has him slotted as an OG. I've even heard C might be his best position in the NFL. I can see Dillard and Oliver, but I can't imagine why they'd be considering Williams at 9. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 Just now, Johnny Hammersticks said: Huh? Why Williams I wonder? With all the improvements we've made along the offensive line (especially the interior), wouldn't you think they'd want to draft a day 1 starter at 9 overall? Maybe they truly view him as a LT? I just don't see him being successful at either OT position due to lack of size/strength, but I'm certainly no expert. Everything I'm reading lately has him slotted as an OG. I've even heard C might be his best position in the NFL. I can see Dillard and Oliver, but I can't imagine why they'd be considering Williams at 9. The only thing I can say is that I have to trust Daboll's judgement in this matter, to some degree, since he worked with him and got to see him up close and personal. Also, if they draft him at 9, it's got to be seen as an indication that they think he can play tackle in the NFL. I doubt they'd spend the 9th pick on someone they view strictly as a guard. IF they think he can play tackle, I'm fine with picking him. Dawkins, Morse, and Williams as our building blocks and foundation sounds pretty good to me. At the end of the day, anything that gives Josh Allen an improved chance at success has to be viewed as good pick. Williams should do that. I'd still prefer someone else, but I won't pretend that I know better than a guy that actually coached him in college. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 2 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said: Huh? Why Williams I wonder? With all the improvements we've made along the offensive line (especially the interior), wouldn't you think they'd want to draft a day 1 starter at 9 overall? Maybe they truly view him as a LT? I just don't see him being successful at either OT position due to lack of size/strength, but I'm certainly no expert. Everything I'm reading lately has him slotted as an OG. I've even heard C might be his best position in the NFL. I can see Dillard and Oliver, but I can't imagine why they'd be considering Williams at 9. I don't really see why Williams couldn't hypothetically start from Day 1 at OG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iamkrgr Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 Jonah Williams would provide the oline with versatility. If everyone is healthy he could probably slot at RG. If Nsekhe isn't up to starting at RT we could put Williams there. Nsekhe has been mostly a swing tackle and is turning 34 this year. He is not a long term solution for this oline. Jonah Williams wouldn't be my pick at 9 but I wouldn't hate it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 10 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said: Huh? Why Williams I wonder? With all the improvements we've made along the offensive line (especially the interior), wouldn't you think they'd want to draft a day 1 starter at 9 overall? Maybe they truly view him as a LT? I just don't see him being successful at either OT position due to lack of size/strength, but I'm certainly no expert. Everything I'm reading lately has him slotted as an OG. I've even heard C might be his best position in the NFL. I can see Dillard and Oliver, but I can't imagine why they'd be considering Williams at 9. They may think he stands a good chance of winning a competition to start at guard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIZ Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 Isn't Jonah Williams a little younger than most prospects? I also read in my draft mag that he has the frame to get bigger. I think it is the Greg Gabriel mag....he says he has no weaknesses and long arms......aren't other people saying he has short arms? https://www.profootballweekly.com/2018/11/02/gabriel-2019-nfl-draft-breakdown-alabama-ot-jonah-williams/a5e2s9f/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 Just happy to see it's all trench guys 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMIEBUF12 Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 I like Jonah Williams.I think the offensive lineman are harder to find and I don’t think the Bills will be picking this high again next year.I also think there is a lot of defensive depth in this draft at picks 3-5... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art in PNS Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 45 minutes ago, N.Y. Orangeman said: FWIW... https://bleav.com/podcast/who-will-the-new-york-jets-target/ 8:45 mark Pauline: Bills like Jonah Williams, Andre Dillard and Ed Oliver. -Like Drew Sample at TE (4th) Since this mgm group is so tight lipped , I doubt he has actual info, just another opinion. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabel Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 I still can't see how they don't go DL with this class. Just seems to make sense but who knows at this point. Smokescreen season. They could be leaking info on certain players they "like" and hope that other teams drafting behind them might wanna jump up. Only two weeks to go. Do I dare check my phone for updates during my evening showing of Endgame?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chef4131 Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 based on comments made by Gil Brandt regarding Ed Oliver's pro day -if the report is accurate-I am re-thinking Oliver picked by Bills doesn't seem like a player the Bills would want. It was reported by Gil Brandt that Ed oliver was complaining during his pro day work outs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan1988 Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 19 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said: Huh? Why Williams I wonder? With all the improvements we've made along the offensive line (especially the interior), wouldn't you think they'd want to draft a day 1 starter at 9 overall? Maybe they truly view him as a LT? I just don't see him being successful at either OT position due to lack of size/strength, but I'm certainly no expert. Everything I'm reading lately has him slotted as an OG. I've even heard C might be his best position in the NFL. I can see Dillard and Oliver, but I can't imagine why they'd be considering Williams at 9. I like what McBeane is doing this offseason but player flexibility thing is going to far. We keep taking guys like this we will have alot of players that are Jack's of all trades master of none situations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 16 minutes ago, Logic said: The only thing I can say is that I have to trust Daboll's judgement in this matter, to some degree, since he worked with him and got to see him up close and personal. Also, if they draft him at 9, it's got to be seen as an indication that they think he can play tackle in the NFL. I doubt they'd spend the 9th pick on someone they view strictly as a guard. IF they think he can play tackle, I'm fine with picking him. Dawkins, Morse, and Williams as our building blocks and foundation sounds pretty good to me. At the end of the day, anything that gives Josh Allen an improved chance at success has to be viewed as good pick. Williams should do that. I'd still prefer someone else, but I won't pretend that I know better than a guy that actually coached him in college. Using that same logic you trusted McD/Beane and the way they handled Peterman and the QB position last off-season. “Has to be viewed as a good pick” it’s the 9th overall pick they need to nail it. If drafting Jonah that high proves to be the right decision I will eat my own shoe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 12 minutes ago, PIZ said: Isn't Jonah Williams a little younger than most prospects? I also read in my draft mag that he has the frame to get bigger. I think it is the Greg Gabriel mag....he says he has no weaknesses and long arms......aren't other people saying he has short arms? https://www.profootballweekly.com/2018/11/02/gabriel-2019-nfl-draft-breakdown-alabama-ot-jonah-williams/a5e2s9f/ Yeah, but whats his hand size? I think once we start talking about arm length, assuming they aren't drastically too small, we really are nit picking. Basically, in the same way that hand size is usually irrelevant, I would bet anything arm size is as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 That list leads me to believe that they're looking at Jonah as a LT. And if that's the case, then I'd probably be fine with any of them. Of course, that may mean that Dawkins is moving to LG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 Last year we 'liked' a different QB every week for a month and a half leading up to the draft. I'm skeptical that there's info this specific out there already. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 Dillard makes zero sense here. Terrible fit. I like Oliver and I can understand the idea of Williams. Dillard, no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickelCity Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 10 minutes ago, chef4131 said: based on comments made by Gil Brandt regarding Ed Oliver's pro day -if the report is accurate-I am re-thinking Oliver picked by Bills doesn't seem like a player the Bills would want. It was reported by Gil Brandt that Ed oliver was complaining during his pro day work outs McDermott was basically shadowing Oliver during that workout. Just an interesting tidbit to think about whether Brandt is right or wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 I like Oliver. Can’t wait for the draft!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 I’d be fine with any of those. Especially Oliver. People with two first names always mean business. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 1 hour ago, N.Y. Orangeman said: FWIW... https://bleav.com/podcast/who-will-the-new-york-jets-target/ 8:45 mark Pauline: Bills like Jonah Williams, Andre Dillard and Ed Oliver. -Like Drew Sample at TE (4th) Lets go Williams !!! Not elite athlete but elite technique and work ethic. Still prefer Hockenson. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 Can’t get Oliver try like hell to get out of there 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 2 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: Lets go Williams !!! Not elite athlete but elite technique and work ethic. Still prefer Hockenson. Not elite but plays a position of need! Yikes. Aim higher. Find someone elite. Anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 38 minutes ago, DCOrange said: I don't really see why Williams couldn't hypothetically start from Day 1 at OG. or RT. he had one poor game in the championship ( so did the entire line ) and everyone thinks he is a bum. I didn't see him give up any sacks during the season. Once he gets used to the speed of the NFL he will be fine. 1 minute ago, CommonCents said: Not elite but plays a position of need! Yikes. Aim higher. Find someone elite. Anyone. The dude can play, its about football players not athletes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 1 minute ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: or RT. he had one poor game in the championship ( so did the entire line ) and everyone thinks he is a bum. I didn't see him give up any sacks during the season. Once he gets used to the speed of the NFL he will be fine. The dude can play, its about football players not athletes. Can he dominate? I have a hard time envisioning him as one of the top 10 LTs in the league. That’s not a guy I’m spending the 9th overall pick on. It’s like the Shaq Lawson debate all over again. He can play but does he have the ability to dominate at the next level? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
par73 Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 The only one I can see taking at 9 would be Oliver. Can likely trade back to get one of the others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 Just now, CommonCents said: Can he dominate? I have a hard time envisioning him as one of the top 10 LTs in the league. That’s not a guy I’m spending the 9th overall pick on. It’s like the Shaq Lawson debate all over again. He can play but does he have the ability to dominate at the next level? Yes but not in the physical sense, if a guy doesnt give up a sack and is a excellent run blocker is that not dominant. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 33 minutes ago, Art in RTP said: Since this mgm group is so tight lipped , I doubt he has actual info, just another opinion. Exactly! If Rex was in the room there’s a good chance real info gets out. I doubt it with our crew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 Just now, Buffalo Barbarian said: Yes but not in the physical sense, if a guy doesnt give up a sack and is a excellent run blocker is that not dominant. If he can get double digit sacks with a balky knee and bad shoulder imagine what he will become in a few years..... Still hasn’t overcome his lack of explosiveness off the snap. I see it as the same argument. A limited guy projected way to high because it’s a position teams value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 36 minutes ago, Art in RTP said: Since this mgm group is so tight lipped , I doubt he has actual info, just another opinion. We say that, but people knew about Josh Allen and Harrison Phillips last year. Buffalo doesn't appear to be without its leaks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, CommonCents said: If he can get double digit sacks with a balky knee and bad shoulder imagine what he will become in a few years..... Still hasn’t overcome his lack of explosiveness off the snap. I see it as the same argument. A limited guy projected way to high because it’s a position teams value. Since he is on offense i dont expect him to get any sacks Edited April 11, 2019 by Buffalo Barbarian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
416BillsFan Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 2 minutes ago, Augie said: Exactly! If Rex was in the room there’s a good chance real info gets out. I doubt it with our crew. I wouldn't be so sure, reporters like Ben Allbright had Josh Allen as the Bills' likely QB before the draft. I won't presume to know the right choice, but I love the idea of getting a great LT at #9. I agree we need better on the DL, but McD can has proven himself more than able to put together a great defense with whatever players he has available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 1 minute ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: Sense he is on offense i dont expect him to get any sacks Oh he get lots of sacks, Zierlein has it nailed in his scouting report. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 (edited) Some food for thought: Dillard: 6-5 315 Hand: 10 Arm: 33 4/8 Wingspan: 80 3/8 40: 4.96 Bench: 24 Vert: 29 Broad: 118 3 cone: 7.44 20: 4.4 Williams: 6-4 1/2 302 Hand: 10 1/8 Arms: 33 5/8 Wingspan: 81 6/8 40: 5.10 Bench: 23 Vert: 28 Broad: 100 3 cone: 8.01 20: 4.79 Dawkins: 6-4 315 Hand: 9 7/8 Arms: 35 Wingspan: can't find it 40: 5.11 Bench: 26 Vert: 26 Broad: 106 3 cone: 7.30 20: 4.78 My point? Dillard is somehow some super long prospect with crazy athletic ability. It's simply not true. Both Williams and Dawkins have longer arms and wingspans. Dawkins has great length and while he is a bit shorter, he has a ridiculous 3 cone at 7.30. Please can someone explain to me why Williams is a T rex when Dillard is some super long prospect? I don't get it. Dion Dawkins is longer and more refined than either of these guys. Dillard is very likely Jake Fisher, a finesse tackle who simply is not good enough in the run game to be good in the NFL. I don't care how fast his 40 is. His PFF scores are meaningless in his college offense and I for one will be extremely disappointed if we take him. He is a second round pick. He is my Mason Rudolph pick this year, the prospect I hate, who is not worth a top ten pick who should go later than people expect. I really do hope this is all false, aside from the Oliver connection. Edited April 11, 2019 by MrEpsYtown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBeaneBandit Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 57 minutes ago, chef4131 said: based on comments made by Gil Brandt regarding Ed Oliver's pro day -if the report is accurate-I am re-thinking Oliver picked by Bills doesn't seem like a player the Bills would want. It was reported by Gil Brandt that Ed oliver was complaining during his pro day work outs Complaining that he was killing every drill?..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 1. Oliver 2. Hockenson 3. Williams 4. Metcalf .....in that order.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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