DBilz2500 Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 Leaving the Bulls for the Tide... https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/alabama-basketball-hires-buffalos-nate-oats-to-be-its-next-coach/ sorry forgot link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 (edited) Guess that contract extension he signed a few weeks ago doesn't mean much..why did they bother? EDIT: Oh...I reread it...to increase the buyout...smart move Edited March 27, 2019 by matter2003 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msw2112 Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 I hate to see him go. He did a great job with the program. This is almost always what happens when a mid-major coach has a run of success. It's inevitable. I was holding out hope that Oats would like the city and school enough to stick around and try to build a mid-major powerhouse like Gonzaga (or Cincinnati or even Butler). I think he even mentioned that at the time he signed his extension. A cautionary tale for Oats is Don Monson. He had great success at Gonzaga, but decided to move to the Big 10 and took the Minnesota job. Since then, he has never had the kind of success he had at Gonzaga. He's gone from Minnesota and now at another mid-major in Long Beach State and not even sniffing the NCAA Tournament. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Monson Meanwhile, after Monson left, Gonzaga continued its run of success, which continues today. Mark Few, their current coach, had decided to stay there and enjoy the success, rather than jump to a Power-5 conference job and it has worked out well. Who knows - possibly Bobby Hurley will have a Don Monson-like career since he left UB for the Pac-12 and Arizona State. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dkollidas Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 I didn’t realize coaches under contract could leave for other head coaching positions... seems like a bad way to have things set up in the NCAA. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 Not surprising, it’s the nature of the beast. Sad to see him go but glad for the impact that he had on the program. Hopefully they can keep it rolling and wish him the best at Alabama. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 3 minutes ago, msw2112 said: I hate to see him go. He did a great job with the program. This is almost always what happens when a mid-major coach has a run of success. It's inevitable. I was holding out hope that Oats would like the city and school enough to stick around and try to build a mid-major powerhouse like Gonzaga (or Cincinnati or even Butler). I think he even mentioned that at the time he signed his extension. A cautionary tale for Oats is Don Monson. He had great success at Gonzaga, but decided to move to the Big 10 and took the Minnesota job. Since then, he has never had the kind of success he had at Gonzaga. He's gone from Minnesota and now at another mid-major in Long Beach State and not even sniffing the NCAA Tournament. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Monson Meanwhile, after Monson left, Gonzaga continued its run of success, which continues today. Mark Few, their current coach, had decided to stay there and enjoy the success, rather than jump to a Power-5 conference job and it has worked out well. Who knows - possibly Bobby Hurley will have a Don Monson-like career since he left UB for the Pac-12 and Arizona State. ASU is stacked for next season. Only losing one starter. They will be a top team unless something messes up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills1212 Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 7 minutes ago, Dkollidas said: I didn’t realize coaches under contract could leave for other head coaching positions... seems like a bad way to have things set up in the NCAA. Common though, extension = more buyout $ and more $ for a raise. Wink wink type stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 Even though this is a duplicate post. I just updated the one on off the wall with this: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 That sucks. Any idea of potential candidates? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 They starting a Men's basketball team at "Bama? 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clearwater cadet Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 What happen to the extension? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 19 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said: Even though this is a duplicate post. I just updated the one on off the wall with this: Wow! Nice raise and impossible offer to turn down... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 No surprise at all. Oates is an amazing coach and he's very unlikely to reach the apex at UB. I'm sure he appreciates his time in Buffalo, but he strikes me as the kind of guy with BIGTIME aspirations. Sucks to see him go, but it was inevitable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 26 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said: Even though this is a duplicate post. I just updated the one on off the wall with this: He couldn't turn that down. He'll make more money failing in Alabama over 4 years then he would succeeding in Buffalo for 10. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 39 minutes ago, msw2112 said: I hate to see him go. He did a great job with the program. This is almost always what happens when a mid-major coach has a run of success. It's inevitable. I was holding out hope that Oats would like the city and school enough to stick around and try to build a mid-major powerhouse like Gonzaga (or Cincinnati or even Butler). I think he even mentioned that at the time he signed his extension. A cautionary tale for Oats is Don Monson. He had great success at Gonzaga, but decided to move to the Big 10 and took the Minnesota job. Since then, he has never had the kind of success he had at Gonzaga. He's gone from Minnesota and now at another mid-major in Long Beach State and not even sniffing the NCAA Tournament. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Monson Meanwhile, after Monson left, Gonzaga continued its run of success, which continues today. Mark Few, their current coach, had decided to stay there and enjoy the success, rather than jump to a Power-5 conference job and it has worked out well. Who knows - possibly Bobby Hurley will have a Don Monson-like career since he left UB for the Pac-12 and Arizona State. Hurley had a cup of coffee at Buff. He has had his ASU team in the Tourney for the past 2 years.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Senator Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 23 minutes ago, clearwater cadet said: What happen to the extension? Alabama pays the buyout . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msw2112 Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 12 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Hurley had a cup of coffee at Buff. He has had his ASU team in the Tourney for the past 2 years.... They were in the play in game the first two years, losing it last year and winning it this year, before bowing out in the round of 64. UB advanced to the round of 32 both years. I'm not a Hurley or ASU fan (although I admit I liked the momentum that Hurley started at UB), so I'd wouldn't be disappointed if this is as good as it gets for them. We'll see. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacGyver Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 That was fast. This is a good example of why Buffalo sports teams don't win championships. When they do have talent, they cannot hold on to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misterbluesky Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 1 minute ago, MacGyver said: That was fast. This is a good example of why Buffalo sports teams don't win championships. When they do have talent, they cannot hold on to it. He knew before he signed the new contract in Cleveland.He just played it for the tourney...the more the talented team won..the more he knew he would get. He played it.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boater Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 I must misunderstand contract extensions. I thought they lock you in. I didn't know you could sign an extension, then leave whenever you want. Heh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 3 minutes ago, MacGyver said: That was fast. This is a good example of why Buffalo sports teams don't win championships. When they do have talent, they cannot hold on to it. Can't you throw together some duct tape, a paper clip, and hydrogen peroxide and make Buffalo a more desirable place? 1 minute ago, boater said: I must misunderstand contract extensions. I thought they lock you in. I didn't know you could sign an extension, then leave whenever you want. Heh. Life must be hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, MacGyver said: That was fast. This is a good example of why Buffalo sports teams don't win championships. When they do have talent, they cannot hold on to it. This is complete and utter nonsense. Of course UB is not a powerhouse nor will they ever be. They're a MAC team. You're only going to go so far in terms of recruiting in the MAC. It is what it is. If you're speaking specifically of UB; yes. A top coach is going to leave for a P5 program. This situation has nothing to do with Buffalo itself. Edited March 27, 2019 by LSHMEAB 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyWhiteShows Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 Topic does not belong in TSW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, BillyWhiteShows said: Topic does not belong in TSW Normally I’d agree but there is no bigger topic in Buffalo sports. We are in the period between FA & the draft. This is the dominant topic of the day. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 8 minutes ago, boater said: I must misunderstand contract extensions. I thought they lock you in. I didn't know you could sign an extension, then leave whenever you want. Heh. That's college sports for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suorangefan4 Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 (edited) I know the Pegulas owe nothing to UB but I wish they would've given them a nice gift ($$) to help UB give Oats a nice contract. They'd still be filthy rich for life. UB basketball lifted the spirits of Buffalo sports fans. It's ridiculous that P5 conferences get so much more on their TV deals. It's also ridiculous that a huge state school like UB is left out as a mid-major. Edited March 27, 2019 by suorangefan4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 1 hour ago, msw2112 said: They were in the play in game the first two years, losing it last year and winning it this year, before bowing out in the round of 64. UB advanced to the round of 32 both years. I'm not a Hurley or ASU fan (although I admit I liked the momentum that Hurley started at UB), so I'd wouldn't be disappointed if this is as good as it gets for them. We'll see. Point is that Hurley has been successful at both places. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 Truly a sad development. Once again, no matter what you hear about "stability" and "family concerns," it's all about money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 Until UB decides to play with the big boys (leave the MAC) and head into the Big East expect more of the same. Here is some inside trader info- faculty fights tooth and nail to maintain a watered down athletic program. They want more money for more line numbers in their department and higher pay for faculty that is well above the private sector along with an amazing benefits package. Also, they feel threatened research money would be decreased as well. Lastly, it is sad that a big school like UB, in a hockey recruiting mecca only has club hockey- and they have to play at the Northtowns Center. A school that large should have D-1 hockey with their own rink. Just another pahetic part of Buffalo Sports. 1 hour ago, suorangefan4 said: I know the Pegulas owe nothing to UB but I wish they would've given them a nice gift ($$) to help UB give Oats a nice contract. They'd still be filthy rich for life. UB basketball lifted the spirits of Buffalo sports fans. It's ridiculous that P5 conferences get so much more on their TV deals. It's also ridiculous that a huge state school like UB is left out as a mid-major. They could of offered Oates 2 mil per year and he would of left- his contract was leverage for a better deal in a big school- Alabama in the SEC or UB in the MAC? It is a no brainer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 3 minutes ago, billsfan_34 said: Until UB decides to play with the big boys (leave the MAC) and head into the Big East expect more of the same. Here is some inside trader info- faculty fights tooth and nail to maintain a watered down athletic program. They want more money for more line numbers in their department and higher pay for faculty that is well above the private sector along with an amazing benefits package. Also, they feel threatened research money would be decreased as well. Lastly, it is sad that a big school like UB, in a hockey recruiting mecca only has club hockey- and they have to play at the Northtowns Center. A school that large should have D-1 hockey with their own rink. Just another pahetic part of Buffalo Sports. They could of offered Oates 2 mil per year and he would of left- his contract was leverage for a better deal in a big school- Alabama in the SEC or UB in the MAC? It is a no brainer. With the youth programs in WNY and Southern Ontario, I've felt for years now that D-1 Lacrosse and Hockey are both no brainers. They have a rink across the street from the Amherst campus that is more than adequate until they build one of their own. Lacrosse is even easier. It can be played right on the football field. Yet here they are with neither. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 10 minutes ago, LabattBlue said: With the youth programs in WNY and Southern Ontario, I've felt for years now that D-1 Lacrosse and Hockey are both no brainers. They have a rink across the street from the Amherst campus that is more than adequate until they build one of their own. Lacrosse is even easier. It can be played right on the football field. Yet here they are with neither. It drives me nuts! Heck Buff State has a beautiful rink for D-3 and Niagara U isnt too shabby either- small school but D-1 yet UB digs their heels in time and again. You are right will never happen! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suorangefan4 Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 34 minutes ago, billsfan_34 said: They could of offered Oates 2 mil per year and he would of left- his contract was leverage for a better deal in a big school- Alabama in the SEC or UB in the MAC? It is a no brainer. Just because it's in the SEC doesn't make it a better job than UB. Gonzaga is in the WCC and a top ranked school every year. That job is better than Alabama. If Buffalo could give the same money I'd easily stay there. Not to mention Buffalo is a much nicer city than Tuscaloosa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 I posted it in the OTW thread, but Buffalo needs a coach who wants to build a Gonzaga. Hurley and Oats have made the program marketable and there is something to be said of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 1 minute ago, suorangefan4 said: Just because it's in the SEC doesn't make it a better job than UB. Gonzaga is in the WCC and a top ranked school every year. That job is better than Alabama. If Buffalo could give the same money I'd easily stay there. Not to mention Buffalo is a much nicer city than Tuscaloosa. Gonzaga is an outlier- and they also have alot more support for their program. Alabama may turn into a beast and will have much better competition within the SEC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 2 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: Normally I’d agree but there is no bigger topic in Buffalo sports. We are in the period between FA & the draft. This is the dominant topic of the day. A lot more interesting than Robert Kraft's knob polishing, that's for sure.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 (edited) 14 minutes ago, suorangefan4 said: Just because it's in the SEC doesn't make it a better job than UB. Gonzaga is in the WCC and a top ranked school every year. That job is better than Alabama. If Buffalo could give the same money I'd easily stay there. Not to mention Buffalo is a much nicer city than Tuscaloosa. People have to be realistic here. Coleman Coliseum in Tuscaloosa has a 16,000 seat capacity. Alumni Arena has a capacity of 7k and is not exactly state of the art. UB Stadium holds 29,000! UB is a MAC school. What they've done recently has been OUTSTANDING. Gonzaga is an outlier as their stadium only holds 6k. But they've built a brand that's darn near impossible to emulate. It would be great if UB were a powerhouse, but there's very little basis to believe it will become a national brad. I hope they continue to build on their success. Edited March 28, 2019 by LSHMEAB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyWhiteShows Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 (edited) I have little respect for Oats. He made it a point to say that he’s staying in Buffalo and even signed an extension. Yet he’s too much of a chump to take the heat and talk about why he left for Alabama. The dude is a chump....good coach....but a chump. Edited March 28, 2019 by BillyWhiteShows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 3 hours ago, TheTruthHurts said: That's college sports for you. Yet kids can’t transfer without sitting out a year... But coaches don’t need to honor their contracts. College sports often leave a bad taste in my mouth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyWhiteShows Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 43 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said: People have to be realistic here. Coleman Coliseum in Tuscaloosa has a 16,000 seat capacity. Alumni Arena has a capacity of 7k and is not exactly state of the art. UB Stadium holds 29,000! UB is a MAC school. What they've done recently has been OUTSTANDING. Gonzaga is an outlier as their stadium only holds 6k. But they've built a brand that's darn near impossible to emulate. It would be great if UB were a powerhouse, but there's very little basis to believe it will become a national brad. I hope they continue to build on their success. I get that....but Oats also went on WGR and other media outlets after signing his extension and talked how how he wanted to stay in Buffalo and be the “Gonzaga of the East.” If he wasn’t serious, he never should’ve signed the extension or talked about his dedication to the area. Then he makes the decision and doesn’t talk to the press. It’s not a good look for him 5 minutes ago, SWATeam said: Yet kids can’t transfer without sitting out a year... But coaches don’t need to honor their contracts. College sports often leave a bad taste in my mouth. Nate screwed over those kids. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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