Full Intelligent Breakdown of DK Metcalf

[Kirby Jackson]

15 hours ago, BullBuchanan said:

I haven't seen a Bills coaching staff use players to the best of their abilities in 25 years, so I'm not exactly giving them the benefit of the doubt.

Yeah, I can’t believe that they didn’t get more out of Peterman....

[SouthNYfan]

36 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Yeah, I can’t believe that they didn’t get more out of Peterman....

 

He had a Crazy good completion percentage (if you include passes thrown to the other team)

Also, technically every int was a compromise e for a 1st down... Even if it was for the opponent ?

[Mat68]

1 hour ago, QuoteTheRaven83 said:

Calvin and Randy produced in college. DK did not so these are HORRIBLE comparisons and a disrespect to Moss and Calvin.

The reason his production is less were due to injury.  When on the field he was productive at a level expected from a prospect of his caliber.  With another wr prospect on his team defenses choose to double team Metcalf over Brown.  His total stats not reaching plateaus of your liking doesnt make him any less a prospect.  Like it or not Metcalf's physical attributes are in the rare category of Calvin Johnson, Julio Jones.  His style of play resembles that of Randy Moss.  The only reason he should not be strongly considered at 9 is if he has any lingering issues medically.  

[Bobby Hooks]

1 hour ago, Putin said:

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Ha... I bet that sounded way better in your head. Fell pretty flat. 

 

“I’m going to make a joke about a timeshare, it’s going to be so funny! I’m going to get so many likes, and laughs, and thumbs up! Zomg!!!”

[JM57]

18 hours ago, Mark80 said:

 

IDK, I kinda think Allen raised his "low floor" up quite a bit with his performance last season, especially in the last quarter of the season. 

He was making it happen with his legs more than his arm and that should temper our expectations. I'm not trying to be negative, just being a realist. BB knew he was looking to run and pinned him in and that was by far his worst game in the back half of the season. Teams are gonna study that tape.

3 hours ago, DCOrange said:

I disagree with the idea that Metcalf is a low floor guy. I actually think that, injuries aside (which you and I simply don't have the access to know about), he's a very high floor WR prospect, much like I thought Allen had a much higher floor than people realized.

His floor is as a deep threat specialist if he is unable to develop his route tree at the pro level. That's a pretty low floor especially at #9

[DCOrange]

3 minutes ago, JM57 said:

His floor is as a deep threat specialist if he is unable to develop his route tree at the pro level. That's a pretty low floor especially at #9

 

I think at worst he’s a very good deep ball guy, which makes him a starting caliber player, especially with Allen. To me, that’s a higher floor than most of the rest of this class. 

[BarleyNY]

11 hours ago, Scorp83 said:

 

Hmmm ???

They said that about Antonio Brown too... I'm starting to trust our coaching I have a little more faith right now ?

 

That’s ridiculous.  AB went 195th.  We’re talking about the 9th pick. You can take a chance on a flawed player in later rounds - after all that‘s all that’s there anyway.  Most don’t work out, but - rarely - you find an AB or Tom Brady.  But why pretend it’s the same thing?

 

And speaking of pretending, amking only one comparison and having that be to one of the absolute best WRs ever, Megatron, is pretty bad.  Yes, they’re both physical freaks and likely would be used similarly, but some additional comparisons to players that didn’t put it all together would have been more “intelligent“.  Including comparisons to players that had Metcalf’s known issues of drops, lack of college production and injury would have been more accurate.  After all, Megatron didn’t have those red flags.  Metcalf’s potentially serious neck injury isn’t  even mentioned in the clip. 

 

I’m not even saying no to Metcalf.  He obviously has some elite traits - speed, size and strength - to the table, but whomever drafts him needs to know the risks - hands, injury and change of direction issues.  I don’t see it at 9 because I think there will be impact players without those red flags and risks, but I won’t deny his ceiling. 

[BullBuchanan]

2 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Yeah, I can’t believe that they didn’t get more out of Peterman....

It's almost like they didn't realize the kid couldn't throw an out and had him throw a ton of them. Maybe you should watch this breakdown all the way through.

[Kirby Jackson]

59 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

It's almost like they didn't realize the kid couldn't throw an out and had him throw a ton of them. Maybe you should watch this breakdown all the way through.

He couldn’t throw an out, an in, a slant, a cross, a screen, a comeback, a hitch, a post, a corner or a go but some people here STILL believed that he was a viable option to play QB. 

Edited March 19, 2019 by Kirby Jackson

[DuckyBoys]

those big tall long striders are not going to run great 3 cone times  I'm more weary of injury concerns. 

[Jay_Fixit]

9 hours ago, jdonley1180 said:

Ive read Dez Bryant comparisons, Calvin Johnson comparisons.... Does anyone remember Stephen Hill?

Yes, and Justin Hunter.

 

The comparisons to Calvin Johnson are ridiculous. Calvin Johnson was a fantastic college player, Metcalf made a few decent plays.

 

 

5 hours ago, JaCrispy said:

I’d rather get a guy in the 2nd round that has more reliable hands ...and trust me, there will be plenty of really good talent...

Maybe DK’s teammate who was also the better receiver of the two will be available.

[Bray Wyatt]

8 hours ago, Scorp83 said:

I thought that too... but when I saw him do a few slants & 10 yard ins ....I said "Dez can't do that as smooth" I think he's a better route runner then Dez. He may not move like Beasley & Edelman...but neither can, Julio, Megatron & Mike Evans. 

 

That was the point of that video... your not drafting him to fix what he can't do, plus the Bills have people for those kinda routes, your drafting him to continue to build his strengths of what he can do (slants, curls, screens, posts & 9 routes). I think that's more then enough to make him one of the best of the NFL. We don't need him to do comeback routes...which is why most WR's don't do the 3 cone drill. 

Yea...& he couldn't do half the routes DK has on film... 9 routes... that's all he had. 

Like the video showed... DK literally ran slants, curls, screens, posts & 9 routes... fluently at that. 

 

First, thanks for posting the video, I enjoyed it and it makes some good points. I am not against him at 9, I personally think we go DT or Edge at 9.

Second, the last bolding (done by me) the guy said in the video that the coach only had him run two routes either a go or a curl and he was angry they didnt have him do more slants. Not that he couldnt, but he didnt (so the video did not necessarily show him much of his route running ability). I think he said he counted like 4 or 5 in the 5 games he charted. His argument was that he only really needs to do those 4 or 5 routes to be effective due to his size/speed combo. 

Edited March 19, 2019 by Bray Wyatt

[Kelly the Dog]

Finally watched it all. That video was so convincing that I would take N'Keal Harry. 

[Scorp83]

59 minutes ago, Bray Wyatt said:

 

First, thanks for posting the video, I enjoyed it and it makes some good points. I am not against him at 9, I personally think we go DT or Edge at 9.

Second, the last bolding (done by me) the guy said in the video that the coach only had him run two routes either a go or a curl and he was angry they didnt have him do more slants. Not that he couldnt, but he didnt (so the video did not necessarily show him much of his route running ability). I think he said he counted like 4 or 5 in the 5 games he charted. His argument was that he only really needs to do those 4 or 5 routes to be effective due to his size/speed combo. 

I hear you... but they had him run slants, ins & posts at the combine. 

6 hours ago, Putin said:

The Chiefs are going to trade up ( with us ) to get him ?

And we end up taking another CB at 28/29?

Then Metcalf goes on to be great & everyone on here will have claimed they were all in on him from the start ???

[Coach Tuesday]

16 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

Finally watched it all. That video was so convincing that I would take N'Keal Harry. 

 

Slants tho.  Just like Megatron - slants all day.  Impossible to defend a slant.

[Kelly the Dog]

33 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

 

Slants tho.  Just like Megatron - slants all day.  Impossible to defend a slant.

He picked one play out of 800 during the season, a play they didn't look to or throw to him, to prove that he could beat coverage to the middle, while admitting that his coaches chose not to ever do that the entire year. Wtf?

[JM57]

5 hours ago, DCOrange said:

 

I think at worst he’s a very good deep ball guy, which makes him a starting caliber player, especially with Allen. To me, that’s a higher floor than most of the rest of this class. 

I don't want a deep ball specialist at 9. That's such a colossal waste of a pick if that's what happens in the future. Like I said before. You got your high variance prospect in Allen. Now you should be surrounding him with guys who will DEFINITELY be good because you don't want to be wasting picks and playing time on guys that won't elevate his game

[OldTimer1960]

21 hours ago, Scorp83 said:

Let's not get crazy... Allen accuracy issues haven't went away... & he ran more then he threw last year too. Yes he showed upside, but he still has to develop a huge chunk of his game. I think he will but just in case it doesn't happen in week 1... DK might be what he needs until he gets comfortable with the rest of his weapons.

 

Plus... I'm happy about John Brown & Beasley... they are definitely upgrades! But that also tell us how bad at the position we were. Brown, Beasley, Zay & Foster... isn't scaring anyone! Now if you add a DK to that mix... yes... that's a little scary.

 

I agree with drafting someone to help us stop the run... its definitely needed! But DT is so deep! We can get a game changing starter in the 2nd or 3rd Rd. No sense in jumping to get something we need at a position that's deep at 9th.  That's like drafting Sammy in a WR heavy draft...it wasn't smart then ... & I don't think it's smart now...even if it's a different position 

Hmmm ???

They said that about Antonio Brown too... I'm starting to trust our coaching I have a little more faith right now ?

It isn’t limited to this post, but there is way too much hyperbole about “elite talent”, “generational players”, “game changers”, etc.  Likely there will be some very good, maybe great players to come out of this draft, but finding those few that might fit that description is the challenge.

 

In no draft is pick 9 guaranteed (or even likely) to produce a great player - let alone “finding a game changing starter in the 2nd or 3rd”.

 

I’m not saying that there aren’t good players in this draft, but being realistic, if the Bills find a good long term starter at 9 and eventual starters in 2nd and 3rd, it would be a GREAT draft.  That kind of haul doesn’t happen a lot.

[DCOrange]

36 minutes ago, JM57 said:

I don't want a deep ball specialist at 9. That's such a colossal waste of a pick if that's what happens in the future. Like I said before. You got your high variance prospect in Allen. Now you should be surrounding him with guys who will DEFINITELY be good because you don't want to be wasting picks and playing time on guys that won't elevate his game

 

Sure but you could say that about literally any prospect besides maybe Quinnen Williams.

 

If Hockenson is only a decent starter, then by your standards, he’s a colossal waste. If a pass rusher turns into a 3rd down specialist, he’s a colossal waste. If an offensive linemen turns into a swing tackle, he’s a colossal waste. 

 

Drafting a guy whose range, imo, is between a solid starter and an elite WR is about as high floor and high ceiling of a prospect you’ll find. 

[HomeTeam]

On 3/18/2019 at 7:42 PM, Da webster guy said:

I'm not a fan of him for our team simply because I think we have 4 guys that have proven themselves to be able to get separation and move the chains, and I can't stop thinking about how embarrassing it was when the Patriots were simply handing off the ball and Sony Michel and Burkhead etc. gashed us for almost 300 yards, over 6 ypc.

 

You can have three Julio Joneses and still not win a game with that kind of defense. 

 

We just can't ignore that kind of shredding, and if we're in a position to land a game changing defensive guy who can help us stop the run I believe we need to do it.  

Thanks you for this. We all need to be reminded again how bad our run defense was at times. That New England game was an atrociously painful memory.

 

[Alphadawg7]

18 minutes ago, HomeTeam said:

Thanks you for this. We all need to be reminded again how bad our run defense was at times. That New England game was an atrociously painful memory.

 

 

Lets also remember our run D got worse when Milano got hurt.  So we were not at full strength in general.  

[Solomon Grundy]

10 hours ago, JaCrispy said:

I’d rather get a guy in the 2nd round that has more reliable hands ...and trust me, there will be plenty of really good talent...

You guys act as though OBJ, Julio Jones, Antonio Brown, Deandre Hopkins never dropped a pass. It happens. Get Josh the pieces he need to ascend to the next level. There is NO ONE in this draft with the size, strength and speed of Metcalf. If he's there at 9, he has to be taken. IMO Jeffrey Simmons is better than Ed Oliver and can probably be had in the 2nd round due to his injury

[HomeTeam]

12 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Lets also remember our run D got worse when Milano got hurt.  So we were not at full strength in general.  

Fair enough, I'm sure that did not help but let's not pretend that's the sole reason why we got gashed. 

 

We need someone who can get in the backfield consistently/ generate pressure up the middle. Ed Oliver could be that remedy. 

 

?

[JM57]

2 hours ago, DCOrange said:

 

Sure but you could say that about literally any prospect besides maybe Quinnen Williams.

 

If Hockenson is only a decent starter, then by your standards, he’s a colossal waste. If a pass rusher turns into a 3rd down specialist, he’s a colossal waste. If an offensive linemen turns into a swing tackle, he’s a colossal waste. 

 

Drafting a guy whose range, imo, is between a solid starter and an elite WR is about as high floor and high ceiling of a prospect you’ll find. 

It's YOUR opinion that his floor is solid starter. A deep ball specialist is not a solid starter to most, and that IS his floor 

[RocCityRoller]

I watched the video.

 

I'm not a DK Metcalf fan at all.

 

His drops, lack of concentration, limited route tree, lack of lateral ability, injuries, and lack of production make me wary.

 

I don't want him at 9 with a deep DL/Edge/TE/WR draft.

 

In a weaker draft, yes. At #20 yes.

 

But this draft has so much top end D-line/ Edge/ TE talent in the draft get a producer at #9.

 

Plenty of good WR will be there @41.

 

Still a fail at #9 IMO.

Edited March 20, 2019 by RocCityRoller

[BullBuchanan]

1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Lets also remember our run D got worse when Milano got hurt.  So we were not at full strength in general.  

I can't even tell you who our backup LBs were by the end of the year. Depth in our front 7 has been a problem for quite a while. Hopefully, they'll be in a little better position if we lose one or two guys up there this season.

[QuoteTheRaven83]

On 3/19/2019 at 12:14 PM, Mat68 said:

The reason his production is less were due to injury.  When on the field he was productive at a level expected from a prospect of his caliber.  With another wr prospect on his team defenses choose to double team Metcalf over Brown.  His total stats not reaching plateaus of your liking doesnt make him any less a prospect.  Like it or not Metcalf's physical attributes are in the rare category of Calvin Johnson, Julio Jones.  His style of play resembles that of Randy Moss.  The only reason he should not be strongly considered at 9 is if he has any lingering issues medically.  

 

The best WR's are often double teamed and always produce. I'm pretty sure Calvin was double teamed in college but he managed to produce. So you're saying DK can't produce when double teamed and he's also injury prone? Thanks, but I'll pass. Stop comparing him to Calvin and Julio. Their athletic abilities can be compared but not their ability to play the game. Julio and Calvin's college production speaks for itself.

 

You guys are so hypocritical. You guys want DK because he's a freak, big, fast, jumps high but lacks the stats to back it up. The same fans that didn't want Josh Allen because he's got a cannon for an arm, big, fast,  but lacks the accuracy and completion percentage to play at the next level. I find that amusing.

 

 

On 3/19/2019 at 9:11 PM, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Lets also remember our run D got worse when Milano got hurt.  So we were not at full strength in general.  

 

I've already explained myself why his breakdown is pure fluff and BS. No need for the confused reaction to my post.

Edited March 21, 2019 by QuoteTheRaven83

[Alphadawg7]

1 hour ago, QuoteTheRaven83 said:

I've already explained myself why his breakdown is pure fluff and BS. No need for the confused reaction to my post.

 

You can explain it all you want, doesn't mean your explanation makes sense, hence my emoticon response.  You refute a video breakdown of actual game film with a blanket comment of they didn't have the same college production.  If you think stats tell you a better story than film study, then I don't know what to tell you.

 

I don't think much of stat sheet analysts coming on and saying a guy wont be this or that because of stat sheet comparisons.  There is nothing more unreliable than only relying on stats to analyze football players.  No disrespect, but you just saying the comparison is ridiculous to Julio and Calvin because of college production is a pretty shallow review of the comparison.  Stats mislead and lie.  Film does not.  

 

If we listened to stat sheet heroes opinions of players, Josh Allen would have been an UDFA last year instead of the 7th overall pick in the NFL draft.  Quoting stats lacks any context or information.  

 

If Josh Allen isn't enough of an example to refute your stats claim against DK...lets look at yet another Buffalo Bill.  How many people here on this board keep saying Zay Jones really came on down the stretch last year?  Why?  Because they think he had back to back good games looking at a game log, but its wrong...the week 16 Pats game was one of his worst games of the year, but a garbage time TD makes that stat sheet look like he did well in a loss, which he did NOT.

 

Actually 3 of his last 4 games were terrible, including his worst game in his career and another that was easily one of his worst games of 2018.  

 

Our last 4 games of the season:

• Week 14 - Jets - 3 catches on 9 targets for 22 yards.  Terrible
• Week 15 - Lions - 1 catch on 6 targets for 11 yards.  Probably worst game of his career.  Slay dominated him as much as a DB can ever dominate a WR.
• Week 16 - Pats - 5 catches on 9 targets for 67 yards, 1 TD.  MISLEADING.  4 catches or 36 yards on 8 targets with 1:17 left in the game down 24-6.  Gets garbage 31 yard TD when no one covers him on broken coverage.  One of his worst games of the year.
• Week 17 - Dolphins - 6 catches on 9 attempts for 93 years and 2 TD's.  Only good game down the stretch, but it was also a week 17 game against an awful Miami team who mailed it in and didn't bother to show up to play.  

I don't see a guy who came on over the last stretch, I see a terrible stretch of games that was saved by one gimme game in week 17 against a bad team who had quit on its head coach already.  

 

BUT>>>>>>>>Stat sheet analysts think the Pats game was a "good" game yet he was utter trash that game was physically dominated until the game was over and saved his "stat line" with a broken play that was meaningless.  In fact, Zay only had 2 good games at all with Josh and both were against the woeful Dolphins.  

 

STATS are NOT reliable as the sole point of analysis.  They are 100% devoid of context.

Edited March 21, 2019 by Alphadawg7

[Da webster guy]

On 3/19/2019 at 4:14 AM, BillsFan1988 said:

U can't knee jerk to one example of getting our butt whipped by the Pat's.  If your looking for help look to free agency if your looking for difference makers then look to the draft. 

 

That's kind of what I'm saying.   We need a difference maker on defense, and Metcalf is going in the 1st so we can't have both.   

My vote is best run stopper we can get in the 1st.

[BringMetheHeadofLeonLett]

Any relation to Eric Metcalf? ... promising player, but couldn't last a single play in TB.    

 

Another season would start  for the Browns, and first play Metcalf would get carted off haha.  If injuries are a concern, I'll have to defer to Tecmo on this on- so please just no

[Reed83HOF]

I still see nothing intelligent in here. Mods - misleading title 

[BADOLBILZ]

15 minutes ago, BringMetheHeadofLeonLett said:

Any relation to Eric Metcalf? ... promising player, but couldn't last a single play in TB.    

 

Another season would start  for the Browns, and first play Metcalf would get carted off haha.  If injuries are a concern, I'll have to defer to Tecmo on this on- so please just no

 

 

DK's dad Terrence was an offensive lineman drafted in 3rd round of 2002 draft and played 7 years in NFL.

 

DK and his dad claim that Terry and Eric........the pro bowl father/son RB's......are cousins of theirs.   

[gobills1212]

On 3/20/2019 at 10:44 PM, Alphadawg7 said:

 

You can explain it all you want, doesn't mean your explanation makes sense, hence my emoticon response.  You refute a video breakdown of actual game film with a blanket comment of they didn't have the same college production.  If you think stats tell you a better story than film study, then I don't know what to tell you.

 

I don't think much of stat sheet analysts coming on and saying a guy wont be this or that because of stat sheet comparisons.  There is nothing more unreliable than only relying on stats to analyze football players.  No disrespect, but you just saying the comparison is ridiculous to Julio and Calvin because of college production is a pretty shallow review of the comparison.  Stats mislead and lie.  Film does not.  

 

If we listened to stat sheet heroes opinions of players, Josh Allen would have been an UDFA last year instead of the 7th overall pick in the NFL draft.  Quoting stats lacks any context or information.  

 

If Josh Allen isn't enough of an example to refute your stats claim against DK...lets look at yet another Buffalo Bill.  How many people here on this board keep saying Zay Jones really came on down the stretch last year?  Why?  Because they think he had back to back good games looking at a game log, but its wrong...the week 16 Pats game was one of his worst games of the year, but a garbage time TD makes that stat sheet look like he did well in a loss, which he did NOT.

 

Actually 3 of his last 4 games were terrible, including his worst game in his career and another that was easily one of his worst games of 2018.  

 

Our last 4 games of the season:

• Week 14 - Jets - 3 catches on 9 targets for 22 yards.  Terrible
• Week 15 - Lions - 1 catch on 6 targets for 11 yards.  Probably worst game of his career.  Slay dominated him as much as a DB can ever dominate a WR.
• Week 16 - Pats - 5 catches on 9 targets for 67 yards, 1 TD.  MISLEADING.  4 catches or 36 yards on 8 targets with 1:17 left in the game down 24-6.  Gets garbage 31 yard TD when no one covers him on broken coverage.  One of his worst games of the year.
• Week 17 - Dolphins - 6 catches on 9 attempts for 93 years and 2 TD's.  Only good game down the stretch, but it was also a week 17 game against an awful Miami team who mailed it in and didn't bother to show up to play.  

I don't see a guy who came on over the last stretch, I see a terrible stretch of games that was saved by one gimme game in week 17 against a bad team who had quit on its head coach already.  

 

BUT>>>>>>>>Stat sheet analysts think the Pats game was a "good" game yet he was utter trash that game was physically dominated until the game was over and saved his "stat line" with a broken play that was meaningless.  In fact, Zay only had 2 good games at all with Josh and both were against the woeful Dolphins.  

 

STATS are NOT reliable as the sole point of analysis.  They are 100% devoid of context.

Whatever you do, dont post this at The Gang Green lol. For Jets fans, context isnt a thing. Absolutely blows me away!

[Reed83HOF]

 

[DCOrange]

8 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

DK's dad Terrence was an offensive lineman drafted in 3rd round of 2002 draft and played 7 years in NFL.

 

DK and his dad claim that Terry and Eric........the pro bowl father/son RB's......are cousins of theirs.   

 

Are you trying to imply that you think they're lying about who their relatives are or is this just really weirdly phrased?

[Alphadawg7]

17 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:

 

 

Hahahaha I love it.  I’m all on board the DK train at 9.  That being said there are several players I would be stoked to land at 9 too.  

[BADOLBILZ]

13 minutes ago, DCOrange said:

 

Are you trying to imply that you think they're lying about who their relatives are or is this just really weirdly phrased?

 

Eric Metcalf initially denied it.    Then he says could be but he doesn't know them.

 

 

[Chicken Boo]

Anyone, without an agenda, saw him slip during his 3 cone at the combine.

 

He's the pick at 9, if he's there.  Get ready!

Edited March 29, 2019 by Chicken Boo

[Bray Wyatt]

I take it he improved his 3 cone at the Pro Day?

[Chicken Boo]

https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2828513-dk-metcalf-aj-browns-highlights-from-strong-showing-at-ole-miss-pro-day.amp.html

 

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